Los abogados Mónica Chirivín, representante legal de Laudelina Peña y Marcelo Hanson de Ramírez y Millapi, nos cuentan en qué lugar está la causa de Loan Danilo Peña, de cinco años, sustraído de un paraje en 9 de Julio, cuando un familiar su padre lo llevó a la casa de su abuela.
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00:00We help to understand a little more things first the judge is working today
00:10They had told me that the doctor was on leave
00:15I start with Monica so we put an order because I know she gets angry if she doesn't start screaming me
00:22then I start with Monica
00:24They had told me that Monica...
00:25Of course, Perchecki is screwed
00:27Look how screwed she is
00:31They told me that the judge was on leave
00:33Is it possible or is it information that is wrong?
00:37I don't have that information, Nahuel
00:40I can't say that
00:42I don't know him
00:44Marcelo?
00:46Yes, look
00:48I would believe that it may be that he is compensatory
00:51When judges work several days that are not suitable for them
00:56then they can ask for compensation during any day
00:59It may be that she is compensatory, yes
01:01But she, not the judge
01:03Ah, ok, the judge is still working, still investigating
01:06Let's say she has the digital signature that the secretary surely signs for her
01:10Or a subrogant
01:12No, the subrogant judge
01:13There is always a subrogant judge
01:15who signs while the judge is on leave or out of jurisdiction for some reason
01:19Do we have any progress in the case, Monica?
01:25I understand that there is a part of an investigation that is intended to be done
01:30and we are going to wait for the testimonials
01:33that can contribute something
01:36I hope to see more
01:39I don't know which others can be defended
01:44Marcelo
01:47You are one of the people who knows the file the most
01:50first because you read it all
01:53and second because you are there
01:55What is being said?
01:57Because a lot of things are being said
01:59In fact, the information that comes to me is that, for example
02:03chats have appeared
02:06of the American with another
02:09they talk about money and all that
02:11Is this in the cause?
02:14There is a lot of information about the American in the cause
02:17that was incorporated now
02:19with the Conexa cause that I had
02:21but there is no version of it
02:23because it was not declared, it was obtained
02:25and there is the imputation if you want
02:28and from there, many elements are defended
02:31that exist in the cause
02:33and that some still remain to be incorporated
02:36because, let's remember that to be able to incorporate
02:39they have to load a system
02:42and it works very slowly
02:45then it will take two or three weeks
02:47as it was the case of Lohan at the time
02:49to load all the information
02:51But let's say, if you go to court
02:54don't they have to show you the whole file?
02:57Yes, what happens, Nahuel
03:01I explain this in a practical way
03:04they have a mountain of papers
03:07that they have to scan to load the Lex system
03:10then it becomes difficult
03:12unless you invoke an urgency to see some element
03:16they will show it to you
03:18but one as a professional knows
03:20try to collaborate and not make that task difficult
03:23which is important
03:25because that's how we see it directly in the system
03:28that is, while they scan 15,000 sheets
03:31it takes time and then load it to the system
03:36In this case, the judge works with the double system
03:39because that's how the court imposed it
03:41paper and Lexien, which is the system
03:44Yes, the virtual support
03:46That's why, but it is loaded manually
03:49that is, not everything is digitized
03:51for example, the expertise
03:54sometimes there is expertise that has 3,000 sheets
03:57everything arrives on paper
03:59and they have to scan one by one
04:01Sure, sure
04:02I'll go first with Monica
04:04How are you, Carlos?
04:06Can there be a new citation or a new detainee
04:10imminently?
04:15I have no idea who it could be
04:18but the prosecutors have a legacy
04:21and they have proof to take some measures
04:24although they had said goodbye
04:27when they saw some petitions
04:32they said it was very premature
04:35but obviously it will be released later
04:38Marcelo, can they detain someone
04:41in the next few hours, also close to the family?
04:45I don't know if in the next few hours
04:47but I do understand, and I think I said it before
04:50that the investigation often leaves some people free
04:54to make a follow-up
04:56And they walk them, as they say in the jury
04:58Sure, and that they will be authorized
05:00but obviously they must be authorized by the jury
05:03and maybe they are not
05:05I don't understand any results of that follow-up
05:09Look, the production is sending me
05:11Thank you, Bani, the production is sending me
05:13Is there right now, Monday, September 30th
05:17Is there right now
05:19new expertise in the Algarrobal?
05:24No
05:25No
05:26That I know what was done
05:29is a report made by the SIFEU
05:32for a request from the Querella
05:35of new rafting
05:37and the SIFEU reported
05:39three or four places that the Querella asked
05:41Yes
05:42Only one of those had previously been done
05:44the rafting
05:45the others are new rafting
05:47and it was there at the disposal of the justice
05:51the SIFEU
05:54Let's see how the question continues
05:56Monica, when the justice does this type of inspections
05:59or does a new one
06:00because you are defending the Audelina
06:02representing the Audelina
06:04When the justice does this type of new inspections
06:08wherever it is
06:10do they notify you? Do they give you a part?
06:12Do you have to be there? Do you have to go?
06:14Not necessarily that I can be there
06:17but they notify us
06:19Because, sorry, they are writing to me
06:23Ordinary people
06:25Anyway, you have to see
06:27if the Querella is present
06:29because I understand that the new doctor of the Querella
06:32was in chronic
06:34just crossing with me
06:36I understand that he will be
06:38If it is not like that, I do not know
06:40Because they talk to me
06:42It is not in the system
06:43because until yesterday I did not see
06:45an order to do a new rafting in that place
06:48They were pending
06:49Some yes, what Hanson says is true
06:51I say it, I say it
06:53I say it and run on my own
06:55I unlink the program, everything
06:57They are doing an inspection
07:00in a water mirror
07:02that had not been reviewed previously
07:05I'm already tired of that, boy
07:07Because it was full
07:08Listen, and now you're going to get more tired
07:10Because it was full of alligators at the time
07:14It's a lot
07:15It's a bit of the smoke that Nahuel was just talking about
07:17Doctors, sorry
07:19What do you use this terminology?
07:20I'm not going to abstain from opining about it
07:22because I do not know the area
07:24and I understand that the lagoons were already
07:26tracked
07:28They insist on that, Marcelo
07:30But Dr. Hanson must know if there are alligators or not
07:35Yes, there
07:37Yes, it is the same lagoon as always
07:39so that it is understood
07:40It is the same as always, ok
07:42It is the largest lagoon
07:44There are a lot of lagoons
07:45but that is the largest
07:47And to that, actually
07:49what the CIFEU did
07:51was the primary search
07:53when it was the search for slavery
07:55or for the loss of the OAN
07:57and then the second time
07:59it was not deepened
08:01apparatus was used
08:03to detect and also
08:05dogs with
08:07looking for human remains
08:09RH
08:11But the aquatic was not done
08:13for the second time
08:16And to clear any doubt
08:18of the query, the judge authorized
08:20and asked to coordinate
08:22Well, that coordination is the one that is delayed now
08:24Now, doctor, well
08:26I ask Mónica to alternate
08:28and not to step on
08:30Regarding the question asked by Carlos Estrione
08:32this morning, Galician, we also said it here
08:34in Alerta 24-7, he commented that
08:36there is a suspect in particular
08:38with his own name
08:40who would have delivered the OAN
08:42at lunchtime. It is a hypothesis that we hear
08:44during all these more than 100 days
08:46but that begins to take strength
08:48because it says the Galician doctor
08:50defense of the parents of the OAN
08:52Mónica, what do you think about this, taking into account
08:54that your defendant Laudelina was present at that lunch?
08:58I don't know what the Galician doctor says
09:00because I don't know him
09:02I know him from the media
09:04and I respect his career
09:06but I don't know what he says
09:08of the cause and I don't have
09:10I don't know who he is indicating
09:12I don't have an idea
09:14because to say all that
09:16it would have to be in the system
09:18and I don't see it in the system
09:20No, it's not in the system
09:22For what reason? Is that known?
09:24Because it would not have required it
09:28What is it?
09:30It requires the process
09:32the detention
09:34in principle the church
09:36requires the prosecutors
09:38and the prosecutors
09:40to consider it or not
09:42as false testimony
09:44It strikes me that he said it
09:46Well, that's what
09:48I ask you out there
09:50Mónica didn't read it
09:52but I'm going to ask Dr. Hanson
09:56about everything that is being talked about
09:58new in the last days
10:00about the call
10:02that there was money
10:04that there will be a new detainee
10:06that everything is advanced
10:08more or less
10:10Is it in the cause?
10:14It is logical that it is not in the cause
10:16Ah, it is logical that it is not
10:20If there is going to be a new detainee
10:22and really Dr. Gallego is convinced
10:24that it was going to be
10:26he as Querella
10:28and surely the prosecutors have the most precise information
10:30and to safeguard the investigation
10:32they are not going to make it public
10:34in the media precisely
10:36Yes, but it does not depend on him
10:38You can have all the desire to put 15 people in jail
10:40but you are not going to decide
10:42Ok, that's why I tell you
10:44that he may be in that famous
10:46Legazgo 1
10:48which is the Legazgo of Reserved Actions
10:50but they would have already arrested
10:52they are going to wait 48 or 72 hours
10:54to arrest someone
10:56I think more in this cause
10:58where so much time has passed
11:00and if someone had something to do with it
11:02the more logical it is to play
11:04Yes, I understand the same
11:06Carlos?
11:08Nothing, I'm trying to check
11:10Dr. Hanson, in what situation are your representatives today?
11:12You are still
11:14and I want to emphasize this
11:16notice that no one asks for the execution
11:18of the people who are detained
11:20Dr. Hanson, I'm going with you now
11:22In what situation are your defendants
11:24and why do you continue
11:26without asking for the execution?
11:28Carlito, look
11:30I think I already answered you
11:32but I will repeat
11:34the same
11:36we do not ask for the execution
11:38because we take into account
11:40the antecedents in similar cases
11:42and in this particular case
11:44where several measures have already been denied
11:46if you want to demonize
11:48whether it is a request for execution
11:50of domiciliary prison
11:52anyway
11:54we believe they will not give it
11:56we explain it to the clients
11:58without prejudice to let them know
12:00they wanted it, we presented it
12:02and the only thing that generates that
12:04is more procedural activity
12:06that distracts the decision
12:08but it is not our idea
12:10if we are going to present
12:12now in the four months of the instruction
12:14on October 13
12:16we are going to present a request
12:18of resolution of the procedural situation
12:20Monica, Laudelina
12:24Well
12:26I always support
12:28and I agree with what
12:30Hanson says
12:32Laudelina will have to wait
12:34and surely
12:36with her self-processing
12:38we will see how
12:40this stop
12:42but the deadlines
12:44yes, you have to ask
12:46for Laudelina
12:48that's all I can tell you now
12:50I have two questions
12:52first ask Monica
12:54what is the emotional situation
12:56at the moment I remember
12:58that she had said that it is
13:00to find a situation of much anguish
13:02for the situation
13:04because it has to do with her family
13:06with the disappearance of her nephew
13:08and also because she could not see
13:10her children
13:12yes
13:14she can not see anyone
13:16of her family
13:18and that anguishes her a lot
13:20and the process itself
13:22the fact that the baby does not appear
13:24think that the battle horse is her
13:26and that she knows where she is
13:28I wish I knew
13:30is very good
13:32Hanson, I have two questions
13:34two
13:36we already left the topic
13:38LOAN
13:40a lot of people write me for you
13:42a lot
13:44I do not like
13:46I'm getting the lead
13:48but something good
13:50short cloning
13:52short cloning
13:54correct
13:56they say that
13:58they ask for the voice
14:00I do not know what caused
14:02I do not know
14:04you're doing a shot to the doctor
14:06I'm communicating
14:08what happens in the head
14:10I send more messages by Hanson
14:12congratulating them for the program
14:14Hanson says those things
14:16I did not like
14:18the voice
14:20it's a lot
14:22so nothing
14:24we are not liking much
14:26Monica laughs
14:28short cloning
14:30is what there is
14:32good
14:34and the second question
14:36is drinking vodka or water
14:38I do not know
14:40I like vodka
14:42but now I'm drinking water
14:44very good
14:46you are a safe person
14:48I have to tell you
14:50with the shirt
14:52colors
14:54weeks
14:56and with the glass
14:58and you're driving me crazy
15:0024 7 alert
15:02nothing
15:04calm
15:06we go slowly
15:08look
15:10Monica
15:12and for you too
15:14beautiful words
15:16I don't care, but I'll tell you something.
15:18They'll kill me.
15:19No, Monica, Argentina has great courage with you as a lawyer, so don't worry.
15:26Guys, I send you a big hug and we'll talk tomorrow.
15:32Congratulations.
15:33Bye, Monica.