LA RESPUESTA JUDICIAL DE ELBA A LAS HIJAS DE LANATA
En las últimas horas, Elba Marcovecchio lanzó fuertes acusaciones contra las hijas de Jorge Lanata, afirmando que nunca aceptaron su relación. Según Marcovecchio, las hijas incluso le pidieron que se divorciara. Además, publicó en Instagram que el bozal legal solicitado por ellas solo busca impedir su defensa ante falsas acusaciones.
Debate en Andino y Las Noticias con los abogados Débora Hambo y Juan Pablo Fioribello.
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Debate en Andino y Las Noticias con los abogados Débora Hambo y Juan Pablo Fioribello.
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00:00:00because Elva Marcovecchio made a strong accusation
00:00:06in the last few hours against the daughters of Nata.
00:00:09They say they want to see her dead,
00:00:11that they never accepted this relationship,
00:00:16that at the time they even asked her to divorce.
00:00:24When you talk to people on one side or the other,
00:00:28there are people who are close to Elva Marcovecchio
00:00:30who tell you that these images, for example,
00:00:32are an edition of something much longer,
00:00:36in which she had total and full right to enter the house
00:00:40because she lived there for a few days with Jorge Lanata.
00:00:46They say that in the apartment where she lived with her children,
00:00:53she was conditioning a bathroom so that Jorge could be more comfortable
00:00:59and from time to time he could go up and be in Elva's house.
00:01:06On the weekend, Elva posted strong stories on her Instagram account.
00:01:12She said,
00:01:14She said,
00:01:26Hello, Guillermo.
00:01:27Today I came on a Friday.
00:01:28It's not a Friday, but it's a pseudo-Friday.
00:01:30Very good.
00:01:31Dr. Juan Pablo Fiorivello,
00:01:33criminal lawyer, thank you for being here.
00:01:34How are you? Welcome.
00:01:35Hello, dear. How are you?
00:01:36Good. I would like to have your opinion.
00:01:39Also, what is going on?
00:01:41The people who are close to Lanata say,
00:01:43if Jorge were really aware of all this,
00:01:47or had been before this scandal broke out,
00:01:50he would never have allowed this to reach the media.
00:01:54I don't know if they are like that, because he is a man of the media.
00:01:57I think he defends the freedom of the press,
00:02:00he knows that he is a public person.
00:02:02No, I mean, he wouldn't have allowed the family to get to this point.
00:02:07It is likely that he would have been very ashamed
00:02:10that these images of what happened to his wife were made public.
00:02:15I think any man would be ashamed,
00:02:17because no matter how much we try to be frictional,
00:02:20and somehow be kind, and have a kinder vision,
00:02:23it makes noise to us.
00:02:25And this is the reality, to the public in general,
00:02:28not only to Dr. Devorambo or Dr. Juan Pablo Fiorivello.
00:02:31I think it makes noise to all of us,
00:02:33but I think we all want to hear the version.
00:02:36And that would not have implied that she made a press statement
00:02:39or that she defended herself.
00:02:41I don't understand that she did.
00:02:43Dr. Fiorillo...
00:02:45Aritote said the phrase that was immortalized,
00:02:48the only truth is the reality.
00:02:50As Debora said, who has a lot of experience in this too,
00:02:54first we have to see in what context the cameras were taken,
00:02:58in what context they were, if those cameras are not edited.
00:03:01Let's analyze it...
00:03:03Elba and her representatives say yes.
00:03:06Let's give her the right first, then the daughters.
00:03:09Let's think about it.
00:03:11The cameras are edited,
00:03:13there is a family plot to harm Dr. Marcovecchio.
00:03:17That's good.
00:03:18How do we first defend Elba's stance on Marcovecchio?
00:03:21How would we defend her?
00:03:23It's very simple.
00:03:25Do we know if Jorge expressly asked her to remove these objects?
00:03:29One.
00:03:30Do we know if those cameras are not edited
00:03:33and you only see her removing those things?
00:03:37No.
00:03:38Do we know if the power that Jorge gave her,
00:03:41which is a very broad power of absolute disposition,
00:03:44without accountability,
00:03:46which basically enables all legal acts,
00:03:49there have been and will be, with the exception of voting
00:03:52and with the exception of recognizing children.
00:03:54Sure, but forgive me...
00:03:56The rest has all the abilities enabled.
00:03:58But what the people who are close to Elba Marcovecchio say
00:04:02is that she needed a power,
00:04:04that she had total and full right,
00:04:06because this was her house too.
00:04:08Where she comes in.
00:04:10Let's go by parts.
00:04:11First, that was not her house.
00:04:13She lives in another department.
00:04:15But they lived there.
00:04:16When they live together, it is not considered their house.
00:04:18No, not exactly.
00:04:19They live together, it is not their house.
00:04:21After a while, I say.
00:04:23You spend a certain number of days or hours
00:04:25in an apartment, in a house,
00:04:27and that's not why it's yours.
00:04:31But they were husband and wife.
00:04:33But wait, that has nothing to do with it.
00:04:35She had her house in the same building above,
00:04:38and he had his apartment.
00:04:40Now, we have to see.
00:04:42If those videos are not edited, we have to see if...
00:04:44What they say is yes.
00:04:46Well, we have to see.
00:04:48There is one thing that Debora just said,
00:04:51which is very eloquent.
00:04:53If you make a video that is clearly seen,
00:04:56you go to your wife's house,
00:04:59and if you have to take something with you,
00:05:02because you are removing it,
00:05:04you don't keep a high-end pencil case in your sleeve
00:05:07as if you were René Laban, a magician,
00:05:10to do a trick.
00:05:11You keep things, and you take them with all the law.
00:05:14Normally.
00:05:16You are not looking permanently
00:05:19if there are cameras,
00:05:20if you keep something in your sleeve.
00:05:22That doesn't close you.
00:05:23It doesn't close you?
00:05:24It doesn't close anyone.
00:05:25It doesn't close you, Debora?
00:05:26No, Juan, not at all.
00:05:28Besides, I think...
00:05:29Look here in this image, right?
00:05:31It brings as if it were, I don't know,
00:05:33RAID or a furniture cleaner
00:05:36to justify what you are doing
00:05:39with the amount of staff the house has.
00:05:43I mean, we are not talking about a house
00:05:44that is taken care of by the lady of the house,
00:05:46but that is taken care of by a lot of cleaning staff.
00:05:48I don't know.
00:05:49I think that if I am going to do something that is correct
00:05:51and that assists me in the right way,
00:05:52I don't have subterfuge attitudes.
00:05:54Let's see, defend her, Juan.
00:05:55Let's suppose you are...
00:05:56I'm the bad one.
00:05:57Go ahead.
00:05:58I'm the bad one.
00:05:59The bad and the good one.
00:06:00I like this because...
00:06:01The bad one is out of the question.
00:06:02It's good, you know why?
00:06:03So that people out there say,
00:06:04ah, look, there are questions in favor and against
00:06:06that can be weighed.
00:06:07Now, she has a very strange attitude,
00:06:09as we were just saying,
00:06:11of how things are kept.
00:06:14Now, we know if Jorge asked her
00:06:19to do things of value,
00:06:21because, for example,
00:06:22operators are going to come in,
00:06:23technicians have to come in,
00:06:24there are people who, since I'm not there,
00:06:26protect that.
00:06:27We don't know that.
00:06:29It's unlikely.
00:06:30I've been to that place.
00:06:31The truth is, it's a pretty...
00:06:33In the house of the cream?
00:06:34A long time ago.
00:06:35In the apartment.
00:06:36It doesn't transmit radio from there?
00:06:37It transmits radio.
00:06:38That's the radio studio.
00:06:39Let's see.
00:06:40Of course, of course.
00:06:41There's everything there.
00:06:42You can see the lights.
00:06:43There's everything.
00:06:44It's a bunker that has everything.
00:06:45Let's see.
00:06:46Let's see.
00:06:47It's a little...
00:06:48The attitude is a little credible.
00:06:50Now...
00:06:51But let's not miss something.
00:06:53He's the woman,
00:06:54and he chose Jorge.
00:06:56Exactly.
00:06:57He asked her to be...
00:06:59To represent her.
00:07:00He asked...
00:07:01He gave her the ability to have a power,
00:07:03not for this,
00:07:04but he gave her the ability to be represented,
00:07:06and he defends her.
00:07:07Now, if she...
00:07:08Let me tell you something.
00:07:09If they went on vacation with José Ignacio,
00:07:11they were renting,
00:07:12they were in the same house.
00:07:13She can't fit in this,
00:07:15because Jorge defended her.
00:07:17Of course.
00:07:18And in this,
00:07:19we have to give her the right,
00:07:20he married her,
00:07:21he gave her the faculties,
00:07:22he gave her the key to his house,
00:07:24and he allowed her to manage and arrange his things.
00:07:26Good.
00:07:27This is a good question.
00:07:28He doesn't like this.
00:07:29He doesn't like it, clearly.
00:07:30Absolutely.
00:07:31To the daughters.
00:07:32But in all...
00:07:33Let's see.
00:07:34Those of us who handle,
00:07:35and with Débora,
00:07:36we've handled things together,
00:07:37causes together,
00:07:38we know that in every cause,
00:07:39there are two parts.
00:07:40One is going to say...
00:07:41You're going to listen to the story of one,
00:07:42and it's going to say white,
00:07:43and you're going to listen to the same fact,
00:07:44told by another,
00:07:45and it's going to say black.
00:07:46So, the opposite,
00:07:48it's always going to happen.
00:07:51The responsible is one,
00:07:52the responsible is another.
00:07:53Now,
00:07:54the daughters may or may not agree
00:07:56with the choice that their father made.
00:07:58But the one who chooses is him.
00:07:59Exactly.
00:08:00As long as he is...
00:08:01In full exercise.
00:08:02Discernment.
00:08:03Yes, yes, yes.
00:08:04And when it dries up...
00:08:05Excuse me.
00:08:06Yes.
00:08:07He chooses, doctor,
00:08:08but when a son sees the image of someone
00:08:09from the father's office,
00:08:10he grabs a pencil case
00:08:11and makes this gesture,
00:08:12it's kind of particular, isn't it?
00:08:13No, not kind of.
00:08:14It's not kind of.
00:08:15Let me correct you with a lot of respect.
00:08:16No, it's not kind of.
00:08:17It's absolutely rare.
00:08:18Can we see it?
00:08:19He hides a pencil case.
00:08:20What doesn't close me is this.
00:08:21If he's walking around,
00:08:22looking,
00:08:23taking out the money,
00:08:24and he has a backpack,
00:08:25why doesn't he have a natural attitude
00:08:26of grabbing the pencil case
00:08:27and putting it in his pocket?
00:08:28Totally.
00:08:29Or in the backpack.
00:08:30I mean,
00:08:31it could have been something,
00:08:32I don't know,
00:08:33I don't say in the context of despair,
00:08:34because you don't see it either.
00:08:35It could have been something
00:08:36in the context of despair,
00:08:37because you don't see it either.
00:08:38It could have been something
00:08:39in the context of despair,
00:08:40because you don't see it either.
00:08:41It could have been something
00:08:42in the context of despair,
00:08:43because you don't see it either.
00:08:44It could have been something
00:08:45in the context of despair,
00:08:46because you don't see it either.
00:08:47But why wasn't there
00:08:48another place to take it?
00:08:49In a dialogue with the representative,
00:08:50Dr. Guerrero,
00:08:51they insist that the images
00:08:52are edited.
00:08:53I have an idea.
00:08:54It's much longer,
00:08:55and they say to you,
00:08:56if you pass this,
00:08:57it seems edited,
00:08:58it seems like a thief
00:08:59who in a minute
00:09:00is going to take everything out.
00:09:01Anata chooses to give him that power
00:09:02at the moment
00:09:03in which his previous boarding
00:09:05is changed.
00:09:06I don't know if the daughters,
00:09:07the ex-partner,
00:09:08or the decision
00:09:09that the lock
00:09:10of their own desk,
00:09:11or the decision
00:09:12that the lock
00:09:13of their own desk,
00:09:14then the announcement
00:09:15so that this woman
00:09:16does what she is doing,
00:09:17whether she is keeping
00:09:18or not the pen,
00:09:19did she have it
00:09:20with that power
00:09:21to manage her assets?
00:09:22In that sense?
00:09:23Yes, she had it
00:09:24with that power,
00:09:25and in this type of case,
00:09:26it always happens,
00:09:27it never usually happens
00:09:28in an albanil,
00:09:29no?
00:09:30It happens
00:09:31in a higher master of work,
00:09:32it always happens
00:09:33where there are things
00:09:34of people,
00:09:35of a lot of money,
00:09:36of a lot of power,
00:09:37and of elements
00:09:38in a situation
00:09:39that is very rare.
00:09:40And it is a very common case
00:09:41that even lawyers
00:09:42who have experience
00:09:43in this,
00:09:44like Debor,
00:09:45it is very common
00:09:46to see permanently
00:09:47that the war starts
00:09:48and after it's the war
00:09:49because, yes,
00:09:50it's the war
00:09:51because you went
00:09:52to a schedule
00:09:53to visit him
00:09:54because you said
00:09:55one thing,
00:09:56and above all
00:09:57who has the management
00:09:58of the medical organization.
00:09:59Here, what we just
00:10:00commented
00:10:01when I read
00:10:02about Guadalupe Guerrero
00:10:03who is a great lawyer,
00:10:04here,
00:10:05the presentation
00:10:06that she made,
00:10:07First of all, it's not a complaint, let's be clear, it's a presentation in a civil court, in the family court number 8
00:10:13Yes, for the annihilation of the children
00:10:16No, no, to determine the capacity, that's how it originates, to determine the capacity, if Mr. Jorge Lanata is capable
00:10:22With the reform of the civil code, the issue of insanity trials was subordinated to this, to the determination of the capacity
00:10:29Is he capable or not?
00:10:31So that's what they're telling the judge, the daughters in the initial presentation tell him
00:10:38Ma'am, I know that the woman was chosen by our father, I know that she has a power and I know that she has faculties and even has a key to enter the house
00:10:47Now, we saw with great concern two issues, what worries us the most is the issue of health care
00:10:56Carelessness, lack of attention, according to what the daughters themselves report
00:11:00Yes, of course, Marco Becchio denies it, the daughters say that he took them tortas de margotana, that he couldn't eat sweets
00:11:05The daughters said it and also confirmed it by the assistant who took care of him from Monday to Friday in terms of his diet, I think his name is Francisca
00:11:13She said that from Monday to Friday, that arises from the lawsuit, because they copy the testimony, that is, she declares testimonially
00:11:21And it arises that she went from Monday to Friday, she gave him everything without sugar, but that on Mondays she always saw pieces of cake in the refrigerator
00:11:29So the truth is that it draws attention in terms of health care, that's why we understand
00:11:34No, sorry Debora, not only that, it is not that it draws attention, that can even be a suicide attempt
00:11:44We are talking about a person who has had a very weak health picture for years, due to a body absolutely punished by a lot of things of public knowledge
00:11:56But who got involved in this?
00:11:58Who got involved?
00:11:59Sorry, three months and we don't know if it's going to come out
00:12:04But if you know, you are aware as a direct family member, be it the daughter, the friend or the woman
00:12:10And you are aware that you have to follow a strict diet in care of no sugar, no sodium, no a lot of things
00:12:18Because it is in intensive care, it is not in a camping in California, it is in intensive care
00:12:24And if you don't take care, and not only don't take care, but on top of that, the counterpart is increasing the amount of glucose so that the peak of glucose disappears
00:12:34Increasing the amount of fat so that you don't saturate the oxygen as you have to saturate
00:12:39That leads to an attempt, I'm not saying it's this case, if this is proven, it would not be ruled out
00:12:47I would say, as a relative, if I see that my father is hospitalized and the woman comes and starts giving him sugar, sugar, sugar
00:12:55The truth is that ...
00:12:57But nobody made a criminal report for this
00:12:59No, but this is a protection of people
00:13:01Excuse me, who refutes this?
00:13:03Are there photos, are there any videos?
00:13:05Do you have testimonies?
00:13:06Of the word, of the daughters, from the source, who is it? The nurse who took care of him?
00:13:10No, there are many testimonies
00:13:12Within the lawsuit, as Juan Pablo said, it is a non-patrimonial civil
00:13:18In reality, it is as if it were also a protection of people, I think that deep down, what it tries is a protection of people
00:13:24Protect a person who is absolutely vulnerable
00:13:28Because, notice that all these videos are after he had the cardiopulmonary arrest and they took him out alive in the Italian hospital
00:13:36He went to the Italian hospital on June 15th to do a study, nothing more than a study
00:13:42There he went into a standstill, they broke three ribs, I don't know how it was, but they took him out alive
00:13:47That's why he stayed in the Italian hospital
00:13:49His clinical history is not always in the Italian hospital, he comes from another hospital
00:13:54So, what the daughters do, it draws their attention
00:13:57Beyond these videos that are hard for us to justify
00:14:02And that really, beyond the inventory that the lawyers say that she wanted to do with a writer
00:14:08Here it is done with a notarial certificate and you don't need to keep the Mont Blanc in your sleeve
00:14:14That is very rough, let's say
00:14:17Because this is a health issue and it is also a money issue, obviously
00:14:21I say, in the event that the worst happens and God does not want it, but it is a ponderable
00:14:26Yes
00:14:27How would the inheritance of Jorge Lana be divided?
00:14:31No, come on, Juan Pablo, come on, I'm crazy
00:14:34No, no, let's go together
00:14:36This is simple
00:14:37Let's see
00:14:38The inheritance is the woman
00:14:4050%
00:14:41No
00:14:42No
00:14:43No
00:14:44That's a topic, no, on topics like that, no, it's not a 50% issue
00:14:48It will receive a 33%
00:14:50This is the confusion of many people
00:14:52That's why
00:14:53He inherits as a son
00:14:55In this case, it is not a matter of property separation
00:14:59Apart, we are talking about two years of marriage
00:15:02Two years of marriage
00:15:04With respect to the part that Juan Pablo says
00:15:07Juan Pablo is referring to the goods he had before marriage
00:15:10Exactly
00:15:11The acquired after marriage, there is a member of the marital society
00:15:15Exactly
00:15:16And how much percentage would we have there?
00:15:1850% for both
00:15:19In other words, what they achieved together
00:15:21Of the marital society
00:15:22Of the marital society
00:15:23Of the other, 33
00:15:24Of the other, 33 would be like one more son
00:15:25Because they would be property
00:15:27It would be 33, 33, 33
00:15:30Yes, here
00:15:31Something that has a benefit, I have a will and it benefits some
00:15:34Or it has been married with an agreement
00:15:36Yes, but that will
00:15:37That will
00:15:38It can not
00:15:39It can not
00:15:40It can never affect the legitimate
00:15:41That is, the legitimate portion
00:15:43If with the reform of the code
00:15:45You can have a
00:15:4633 more
00:15:47A third of your heritage
00:15:49In a voluntary way
00:15:50And without justification of anything
00:15:52He can say it, I leave it to Guillermo Andino
00:15:54Why?
00:15:55I like him because he is a guy that for whatever reason
00:15:57You can leave it
00:15:58Now, the worrying thing about this
00:16:01And the miserable thing from a human point of view
00:16:03Is that while he is a guy, whether he is born or whoever
00:16:05He is agonizing, he is dying
00:16:07In a clinic
00:16:09Because that is the truth
00:16:10Unfortunately, the panorama is not encouraging
00:16:12It is raw, but it is the reality of what is happening
00:16:14If not, we would not be talking about this
00:16:16It is not encouraging at the very least from a health point of view
00:16:18I hope so
00:16:20And he can live many more years
00:16:23They are already distributing the loot
00:16:25A lot of things
00:16:27Here in the presentation that mentioned Deborah
00:16:30It is talked about a lack of
00:16:32A lot of money
00:16:3450,000 dollars bill
00:16:36It is talked about ashes of first
00:16:38First-line brands
00:16:40Pencil cases that are hidden
00:16:42I repeat, like a magic trick
00:16:44Doing this, keeping it in your sleeve
00:16:46That is striking
00:16:48If I go to your house
00:16:50And I take something borrowed
00:16:52You authorize me
00:16:54I do not hide it in my sleeve
00:16:56If you do not have anything to hide
00:16:58You do not act that way
00:17:00As much as the video is edited
00:17:02As much as the video is edited
00:17:04They say it is edited
00:17:06I do not believe it
00:17:08The scene of the sleeve is
00:17:10That scene is not edited
00:17:12And another thing
00:17:14We were just talking to Deborah off camera
00:17:16That was not mentioned
00:17:18It is that there is a possible crime
00:17:20That would not be
00:17:22Disclosing
00:17:24What is it?
00:17:26The violation of privacy
00:17:28Who spreads the cameras?
00:17:30They are not public cameras
00:17:32Of a security dome on the street
00:17:34Here we are talking about a camera
00:17:36Neither are the cameras of
00:17:38Radio Mitre or El Crimin
00:17:40They are internal cameras
00:17:42To which only the daughters have access
00:17:44Or the woman
00:17:46Those cameras without authorization
00:17:48Of the rest
00:17:50Although the two parts were leaked
00:17:52It is a clear violation of privacy
00:17:54This that we are seeing
00:17:56It should not have been disseminated?
00:17:58No
00:18:00The violation of privacy
00:18:02They had said in the last few hours
00:18:04That Elba was going to make a complaint
00:18:06To the daughters
00:18:08For this dissemination
00:18:10And to the media
00:18:12For the dissemination of these images
00:18:14I consult the lawyer
00:18:16And he tells me that it had been an expression
00:18:18As a result of the anguish
00:18:20And the terrible moment that is going through
00:18:22Jorge's situation
00:18:24Who he loves deeply
00:18:26And his own anguish
00:18:28As a result of the infamy
00:18:30There are two points
00:18:32For me and Deborah
00:18:34One is the judicial part
00:18:36And the other is the part of damage
00:18:38Of public image
00:18:40That unfortunately
00:18:42Obviously has not come out
00:18:44Very well off this situation
00:18:46And has a social condemnation
00:18:48Anticipated because it is clearly seen
00:18:50How things are being taken
00:18:52Now we can later debate and say
00:18:54But Jorge asked him to remove those things
00:18:56Jorge asked him to keep them
00:18:58Jorge asked him to preserve them
00:19:00That we can not debate
00:19:02Now the social image of Dr. Marco Becchio
00:19:04It does not leave it very well off
00:19:06Now that infers a judicial issue
00:19:08It should be seen
00:19:10I think Germán said media violence
00:19:12Yes, of course
00:19:14But there is still no criminal report
00:19:16This is running through my mind
00:19:18There is no figure
00:19:20If we could speak
00:19:22From the line that Juan Pablo marked
00:19:24Of violation of privacy
00:19:26From two points of view
00:19:28From the civil point of view and from the criminal point of view
00:19:30So I think there is
00:19:32But there is one thing that must be highlighted
00:19:34Media violence is a title
00:19:36It's like the titles they put at the last minute
00:19:38To capture the intentionality
00:19:40It is to capture the attention
00:19:42Beware, do not go there because I can counterattack
00:19:44But it seems to me that it is
00:19:46It is no more than a striking title
00:19:48But if you look a little
00:19:50And we make a correlation
00:19:52And a follow-up of the dates
00:19:54This we are talking about
00:19:56What happened in July
00:19:58Jorge Lanata had a heart attack
00:20:00And he had a tracheotomy
00:20:02On June 15
00:20:04That is, when this happened
00:20:06Juan Pablo Lanata still could not speak
00:20:08Precisely because of the impossibility
00:20:10That arises from the lawsuit itself
00:20:12The impossibility of communicating
00:20:14With which, let's say, the defense
00:20:16That Juan Pablo refers to
00:20:18That they could do in the best of cases
00:20:20That Jorge gave him the instruction
00:20:22That everything be taken
00:20:24What could be done
00:20:26You can not write
00:20:28You can not ask for a notebook
00:20:30And it is written
00:20:32Until now that notebook has not appeared
00:20:34No, no, no, no
00:20:36If not, the first thing he does is go to Marković
00:20:38I would have already presented it
00:20:40The strange thing
00:20:42I do not want to be bad or defend it
00:20:44But I know people who have been in that situation
00:20:46And that they had
00:20:48That notebook that was erased
00:20:50And it was like that, well, take it away
00:20:52The pencil case, I do not know how much
00:20:54I would not have presented it
00:20:56The strange thing about Dr. Marković
00:20:58Is that she is a person who does the media
00:21:00Because
00:21:02We are lucky
00:21:04To be able to do the media
00:21:06To be called by you
00:21:08To tell us who we are
00:21:10As a group, not so big
00:21:12But we are professionals
00:21:14We are good people
00:21:16You know that we know each other
00:21:18Almost all
00:21:20And we all appreciate each other
00:21:22Juan Pablo, I know him for years
00:21:24So we are not in competition
00:21:26We are a little group
00:21:28We love each other
00:21:30Juan Pablo Gallego
00:21:32Elba Marković
00:21:34Elba Marković too
00:21:36Dr. Marković
00:21:38She is a person who does the media
00:21:40She is not a person who has a bakery in San Justo
00:21:42She is a person who dedicates herself to the media
00:21:44She was a panelist of a program of this house
00:21:46Yes, with Mariana Fabiani
00:21:48With Mariana and I do not know if with
00:21:50The last labor before dedicating herself to health
00:21:52I do not know if with LAM
00:21:54She is a person who has been permanently in the media
00:21:56She knows how this game is
00:21:58I would like her not to go out to speak
00:22:00Not with a cold statement
00:22:02As they say she is going to get
00:22:04But put her face in front of a camera
00:22:06Look at the camera and say
00:22:08I want to explain
00:22:10They are accusing me of terrorism
00:22:12You do a press conference
00:22:14The first thing I do is look at a camera
00:22:16I have nothing to do with this
00:22:18I explain the circumstances
00:22:20This is my life
00:22:22In these circumstances I live
00:22:24She would have to explain to me
00:22:26Look at a camera
00:22:28Sign a statement
00:22:30And then they debate it in 40 television studios
00:22:32Why do you think she does not do it?
00:22:34At the time it was
00:22:36I think it was good to take care of her
00:22:38In the immediacy that the news came out
00:22:40I think it was good to take care of her
00:22:42To flatten the waters
00:22:44As a legal strategy
00:22:48Now it would be good to do what Juan Pablo says
00:22:52Not only that did not happen
00:22:54But this increased
00:22:56And the striking thing
00:22:58Dr. Marcovecchio has a lawyer
00:23:00That is Guadalupe Guerrero
00:23:02Mariana Garcigo
00:23:04And Mariana Pino
00:23:06Marcovecchio
00:23:10Lara Pino and Dr. Guerrero
00:23:12Dr. Guerrero is a person I know
00:23:14She is a person who knows about the media
00:23:16I consider her a very suitable person
00:23:18And capable of what she does
00:23:20Guadalupe Guerrero
00:23:22Guadalupe Guerrero
00:23:24I have had her in front in several trials
00:23:26She is a person who goes forward like crazy
00:23:28It strikes me that
00:23:30Someone in the environment
00:23:32If it is not her, it is Marcovecchio himself
00:23:34Because here is the legal bozal
00:23:36That is said
00:23:38That in reality the term is a storage thing
00:23:40It is a precautionary measure
00:23:42What does it do?
00:23:44Preserve a right
00:23:46But try
00:23:48Because whenever it happens
00:23:50You have to preserve a right
00:23:52All the time, what is sought?
00:23:54Whose fault is it?
00:23:56Yours, the media, the camera, the people
00:23:58You shift the fault
00:24:00The fault is always of the media
00:24:02First it is a matter of a person of public relevance
00:24:04Political, journalistic
00:24:06And emblematic of the country
00:24:08Like Mr. Jorge Nadal
00:24:10These are major words at the journalism level
00:24:12You may like it, be against it, in favor or not
00:24:14But objectively it is a guy with an undeniable trajectory
00:24:16So it was obvious
00:24:18That this was going to be debated
00:24:20In all kinds of study and channel
00:24:22And a person like that
00:24:24With such an emblematic issue
00:24:26Try to censor
00:24:28The media
00:24:30As it was tried at one time
00:24:32Asking that it cannot be spoken
00:24:34Through a cauteral measure
00:24:36What is commonly known as a legal bozal
00:24:38The civil judge
00:24:40Of the game 8
00:24:42He showed up at the clinic
00:24:44Yes
00:24:46It's not bad
00:24:48It's perfect
00:24:50I wish it was always like this
00:24:52We thought that Jorge was not
00:24:54To answer
00:24:56You can give yourself to understand
00:24:58As we said just now
00:25:00It is not necessary to give a monologue
00:25:02As in PPT
00:25:04The judge was in person
00:25:06Because he said, what is the point?
00:25:08And I wish, as Debora said just now
00:25:10All judges have before a controversy
00:25:12The immediacy
00:25:14Of presenting in this case
00:25:16In a socomio
00:25:18And say, well, they tell me on one side white
00:25:20On the other side they tell me black
00:25:22I'm going in person with the secretary
00:25:24So that I have faith in the judge
00:25:26And I'm going to interview the person
00:25:28To see the state of situation and capacity
00:25:30He interviews with Jorge Lanata
00:25:32It is not necessary, I repeat, to give an extensive report
00:25:34It is enough to be understood
00:25:36It goes to the bone, it goes to the point
00:25:38What did he ask him?
00:25:40What do you imagine he asked him?
00:25:42Mr. Lanata, do you agree?
00:25:44Do you agree?
00:25:46It is complicated to do futurology in this
00:25:48I read the media cautelar
00:25:50I read the media cautelar
00:25:52And I also read the levantarla
00:25:54And in the levantamiento of the media cautelar
00:25:56He quotes it
00:25:58And he says that you always have the possibility
00:26:00Of answering
00:26:02She entered, the judge
00:26:04Córdoba with experts
00:26:06And with the defense
00:26:08She could not enter
00:26:10Neither the warrior nor the doctor
00:26:12They could not enter the place
00:26:14What draws a lot of attention
00:26:16And it is not yet known
00:26:18It is how Lanata expressed the words
00:26:20One can always go out to answer
00:26:22That they are in quotation marks
00:26:24When I ask the environment
00:26:26Apparently Lanata does not speak
00:26:28In that very strange sense
00:26:30To the position of the bullet
00:26:32He could have written it
00:26:34He can express it
00:26:36As it is
00:26:38In a sheet
00:26:40On a phone
00:26:42It can be understood by gestures
00:26:44The immediacy with which the doctor
00:26:46Córdoba presented herself in the clinic
00:26:48It is very important
00:26:50Let's make a parenthesis here
00:26:52This happens because Jorge Lanata
00:26:54Exactly
00:26:56I wish there was always this celebrity
00:26:58Sometimes you kill yourself, Jorge
00:27:00You kill yourself, Guillermo, so that a judge goes to you
00:27:02What Germán says
00:27:04When you put in quotation marks
00:27:06Exactly
00:27:08Unfortunately the judge does not explain
00:27:10I should explain it because I understand
00:27:12That it was the same judge who dictated the capital measure
00:27:14Look, that's what happens lately
00:27:16There is a current that says
00:27:18Let's say the 13
00:27:20Short, clear and concise
00:27:22The clear language that is being debated
00:27:24In courts is like this
00:27:26So for the purposes and not to raise more
00:27:28By the barrier, it was the bone and the punctual
00:27:30Nothing more than that
00:27:32She went to find out what the position was
00:27:34She dictates the initial measure
00:27:36And then she realizes and leaves
00:27:38Without effect that measure
00:27:40You judge, you are going to quote
00:27:42And then you go and talk to the alleged
00:27:44But it's okay
00:27:46First take the caution
00:27:48What is the caution? The care
00:27:50But no one asked for that
00:27:52Yes, it appears in the lawsuit
00:27:54First take the caution
00:27:56What is the caution?
00:27:58You take care
00:28:00That's why you put the measure
00:28:02It is urgent
00:28:04Exactly
00:28:06You can't let time pass
00:28:08Because time hurts
00:28:10Then you put the caution
00:28:12But then you go to check
00:28:14It was great what the judge did
00:28:16Because she went to check if it was really the right measure
00:28:18I hope that happens in all cases
00:28:20Because you know we would have a dignified rule of law
00:28:22And fast
00:28:24And fast
00:28:26No judge from the nation goes to any hospital
00:28:28As much as it kills you
00:28:30As much as it kills you
00:28:32To take a judge
00:28:34To do this
00:28:36I think you have to take it to the group
00:28:38More or less
00:28:40Imagine how extraordinary
00:28:42It is for us
00:28:44That we are in courts
00:28:46A lot of years ago
00:28:48And it is not that we come to tell you an anecdote
00:28:50We live it and we suffer it
00:28:52This is wonderful
00:28:54And we have to applaud the doctor
00:28:56For the media
00:28:58But he acts based on the media
00:29:00No, wait
00:29:02But he did it for the media
00:29:04Wait, I'll give you a little correction
00:29:06Debora just explained it
00:29:08And I subscribe it
00:29:10It is not that it is for the media
00:29:12What the caution measure does is protect and protect
00:29:14A care
00:29:16Because there may be a risk of a lot of things
00:29:18Faced with that, the judge
00:29:20To my criteria
00:29:22He acted well and took out a caution
00:29:24He stepped on the brake
00:29:26Now I take out the caution
00:29:28But I go quickly to the clinic the next day
00:29:30To see what is happening
00:29:32He spoke with Jorge
00:29:34And Jorge told him in one way or another
00:29:36Before witnesses and against a secretary of the judge
00:29:38Who gives faith in what he is saying
00:29:40So there were two of the judge
00:29:42And the doctors who are attending
00:29:44What participation do they have?
00:29:46The doctors who come to attend to the care
00:29:48What participation do they have?
00:29:50It gives a participation in terms of the medical issue
00:29:52Of how it evolves
00:29:54But I say at the moment
00:29:56He has to do the consultation
00:29:58What did he express?
00:30:00I think that with doctors and judges
00:30:02But what I try to elucidate is
00:30:04The judge, what did I ask Nata?
00:30:06If you agree that
00:30:08Talk about your health
00:30:10He said, look, I'm going to make you a global assessment
00:30:12What is happening. Your daughters are facing today
00:30:14Immediately
00:30:16I do not think he said anything to Nata
00:30:18Why did he say
00:30:20There is always time to respond
00:30:22It is a situation of vulnerability
00:30:24Of absolute
00:30:26You can not throw that bomb
00:30:28You can not generate a person who already has a battery of problems
00:30:30Add, fall as you say
00:30:32And tell him
00:30:34That his daughters and his wife are facing the media
00:30:36Ten days ago
00:30:38You are harming the victim more
00:30:40In other words, you can cause harm to his health
00:30:42It is an emotional anguish that you have to take care of
00:30:44Maybe Jorge does not know
00:30:46That the daughters and the women are facing
00:30:48So I asked him about his health
00:30:50What is his will?
00:30:52There what is clear is that it was with the defender
00:30:54Of minors
00:30:56And incapable minors
00:30:58Because he could be disabled
00:31:00We could be questioning the discernment
00:31:02This has to do with protection
00:31:04With reference to his health
00:31:06Health and family
00:31:08Because if you see the discernment
00:31:10Of what Debora speaks
00:31:12It goes hand in hand with the will
00:31:14If you do not have a will
00:31:16You can not discern
00:31:18Capacity
00:31:20And if you do not have capacity
00:31:22You can not affect any legal act
00:31:24Nor will those legal acts
00:31:26Produce legal effects
00:31:28Because the person is addicted
00:31:30It is an incapable
00:31:32That's what he went to check
00:31:34He went to check the request
00:31:36Of incapacity
00:31:38He did two actions in one
00:31:40He did everything
00:31:42He did everything
00:31:44I hope
00:31:46I applaud
00:31:48Excellent
00:31:50Doctor Cordoba
00:31:52Excellent
00:31:54I hope there are many more
00:31:56Doctors Cordoba
00:31:58Why do not you agree?
00:32:00It seems to me that the measure
00:32:02That she dictated
00:32:04So that this does not spread
00:32:06In the media
00:32:08It has nothing to do
00:32:10With what the daughters are demanding
00:32:12And in this conflict
00:32:14That was a measure
00:32:16That she dictated
00:32:18And even generated conflicts
00:32:20Between the parties
00:32:22Because one said it was Markovech
00:32:24And another said it was the daughters
00:32:26When it is asked in writing
00:32:28You know who asks
00:32:30There are 65 pages
00:32:32In the claim
00:32:34About that claim
00:32:36The most correct attitude
00:32:38Is the one that was adopted
00:32:40First, go out to protect
00:32:42Because you do not know if you are
00:32:44In front of a person who enjoys
00:32:46His full faculties
00:32:48Then you are in absolute vulnerability
00:32:50You went out to protect him
00:32:52And then what did you do?
00:32:54You found out as soon as you could
00:32:56With the right people around you
00:32:58With people from the Public Prosecutor's Office
00:33:00Who are in charge of representing
00:33:02An incapable
00:33:04In the hypothetical case
00:33:06That Jorge Lanata does not have discernment
00:33:08That points to capacity
00:33:10You went to check
00:33:12What was the opinion
00:33:14Minimizing any damage
00:33:16Because one does not go to the brute
00:33:18To tell you
00:33:20No, because you do not know
00:33:22We are in front of a hospitalized person
00:33:24Vulnerable
00:33:26Who was hospitalized
00:33:28Who is fighting for his life
00:33:30Who has encephalopathy
00:33:32I want to introduce one more topic
00:33:34It is good to debate it too
00:33:36Although the crime of burglary
00:33:38Does not exist among spouses
00:33:40Here is a topic that
00:33:42They tell me
00:33:44It does not come to the case of who
00:33:46That can be opened in hours
00:33:48Which is?
00:33:50Against Elva Marcovecchio?
00:33:52It does not exist among spouses
00:33:54But one of the daughters
00:33:56I speak to that camera
00:33:58One of the daughters
00:34:00Of Jorge Lanata
00:34:02Lives much of the month
00:34:04Yes
00:34:06In that apartment
00:34:08If the girl
00:34:10Who lives in that apartment
00:34:12Several days a week
00:34:14He came to present
00:34:16And says
00:34:18This pen
00:34:20This Mont Blanc
00:34:22It was not Jorge's
00:34:24It was mine
00:34:26This ashtray was not my father's
00:34:28It was mine, because I lived in the house
00:34:30The complaint is
00:34:32100% criminal
00:34:34The criminal complaint
00:34:36There is not the obstacle
00:34:38Of the bond
00:34:40There can not be between spouses
00:34:42Adult complaint
00:34:44Now a son
00:34:46If I left things there
00:34:48And I need
00:34:50I can say
00:34:52This Mont Blanc was mine
00:34:54Do you have information that goes for that?
00:34:56I have information that is analyzing
00:34:58The specific objects
00:35:00It would be total
00:35:02It is already
00:35:04But if the list we just talked about
00:35:06The writing that Deborah mentioned
00:35:08We have 50 and more
00:35:10Detailed objects
00:35:12Detailed that are missing
00:35:16With someone going
00:35:18And say
00:35:20These 50 and more
00:35:22Or 30 are mine
00:35:24Or the money
00:35:26I gave it to my dad to keep it
00:35:28Because it came from a car
00:35:30It was savings
00:35:32I left it in that drawer
00:35:34If someone appears
00:35:36And say that
00:35:38The situation
00:35:40A criminal issue
00:35:42The judge could
00:35:44Go back to the hospital
00:35:46To ask Jorge Lanatas
00:35:48No, because here we would be
00:35:50In another forum
00:35:52The judge has to submit
00:35:54The actions for a possible commission
00:35:56To
00:35:58In this case
00:36:00It would not be a correctional crime
00:36:02It is not a criminal crime
00:36:04It is a correctional crime
00:36:06I would have to extract testimony
00:36:08Of that eventual complaint
00:36:10Of the daughter
00:36:12That says I lived there
00:36:14And part of the things are mine
00:36:16I first report the theft
00:36:18To Dr. Markovic
00:36:20And the civil judge
00:36:22What it has to do
00:36:24With the judge and prosecutor
00:36:26That is in turn
00:36:28That by turn and order
00:36:30Corresponds to the correctional forum
00:36:32To investigate the possibility of the crime
00:36:34Or the daughter
00:36:36Do not appear in the civil series
00:36:38And appear directly in the forum
00:36:40In a prosecutor or a judge or a police station
00:36:42Or file a complaint
00:36:44And report in the chamber
00:36:46As Debora said
00:36:48In the chamber that the complaint is filed
00:36:50To which player it is up to
00:36:52It is an undue impairment
00:36:54Of the things
00:36:56And that penalty it is, Juan Pablo?
00:36:58Months. No, no, no, no.
00:37:00No, no, no, no.
00:37:02You should not analyze the context.
00:37:04The objective
00:37:06Let the daughter appear
00:37:08Socially
00:37:10Forgive me
00:37:12I want to consult this
00:37:14Because a side
00:37:16Elo Markovic says
00:37:18They want to see me dead
00:37:20Do you want to kill her?
00:37:21No, I don't think so.
00:37:23I think what he means is that if it weren't for you,
00:37:25he would be filing a homicide complaint.
00:37:28He's not stupid either.
00:37:30We're talking about a lawyer.
00:37:31Why don't you talk to her?
00:37:33It could be because she's very serious.
00:37:35She's a professional. She's a lawyer.
00:37:37Of course.
00:37:38You don't say anything to Tuntun, being a lawyer.
00:37:41Of course.
00:37:42You know the terms very well.
00:37:43You're not going to compete.
00:37:44But neither Juan Pablo nor I would do this
00:37:48because we have a criterion of prudence.
00:37:51With a mandate, with a person
00:37:53who we don't know if he has the ability or not,
00:37:55the mandate is questionable.
00:37:57Because in my criterion, and taking into account
00:37:59that we're talking about a power,
00:38:01the power vanishes with the death of the power giving.
00:38:04And here, in a case of incapacity,
00:38:06if he were incapable,
00:38:08this, as I always point out,
00:38:10was after he suffered the heart attack.
00:38:12Exactly.
00:38:13So we could even question
00:38:15if that power was still valid.
00:38:18What Debora says is key.
00:38:19It's key.
00:38:20You can't rely on the figure of power
00:38:24because that power falls.
00:38:26Debora, we explain the power to people
00:38:28because we know it.
00:38:30Sorry, but you lower it.
00:38:32No, no, you lower it.
00:38:34We're a team.
00:38:36Most of us have an idea of what a power is,
00:38:38but it's good that you explain it.
00:38:40In this case, we're going to do something very generic.
00:38:42Of representing and doing or not doing.
00:38:47Legal acts are a person in name
00:38:49and in representation of the one who grants the power.
00:38:51Basically.
00:38:53I don't want to be too technical.
00:38:57But that power was granted in June.
00:39:01Or before, we don't know.
00:39:03Now, if after that an absolute incapacity subsists,
00:39:07and we see, I speak in general,
00:39:09that the family is saying,
00:39:11hey, it's true, he's married,
00:39:13he has a house key,
00:39:16there is a power that allows him to do certain things.
00:39:18Yes.
00:39:20Now, it seems to me that the presentation you made,
00:39:22but it seems to me that this is not going this way.
00:39:24I ask you, Manuel.
00:39:26It seems to me, sorry, that it is extending, exceeding,
00:39:28not only in the faculties,
00:39:30but it is, they say it in other words,
00:39:32it is attempting against the health of our father.
00:39:34It is attempting against health.
00:39:36And heritage.
00:39:38Against heritage.
00:39:40Sure, but that was before,
00:39:42because today he is hospitalized,
00:39:44eating, being diabetic,
00:39:46it was before.
00:39:48Today Jorge Lanata's health is already protected.
00:39:50Wait, I want to ask this.
00:39:52Knowing how weak Jorge Lanata's health is,
00:39:56he himself, being aware,
00:39:58could have included in that power,
00:40:00even when my health is hanging by a thread?
00:40:04No, he can't put it.
00:40:06And I'm not aware of my actions,
00:40:08I give this power.
00:40:10No, because that would enable the person
00:40:13who receives the power to do anything
00:40:15in the name of Lanata.
00:40:17Do we know it or do we suppose it?
00:40:19No, there is no figure.
00:40:21There is no figure.
00:40:23The only power that exists
00:40:25is the power of administration
00:40:27with post-mortem faculties.
00:40:29That is the only power that exists.
00:40:31And we cannot invent powers
00:40:33that do not exist in the norm.
00:40:35In other words, the norms that establish
00:40:37the faculties of granting power are very specific.
00:40:39So there is no doubt
00:40:42that the person loses knowledge
00:40:44because of doubts and is disabled.
00:40:46No, it is a power for living entities,
00:40:48which is the power that Juan Pablo refers to
00:40:50when we are all healthy, perfect, I don't know,
00:40:52or the power with post-mortem values.
00:40:54But it is for a certain property,
00:40:56that is, to sell a certain property,
00:40:58it has to be very specific
00:41:00and it is for a single act.
00:41:02That is, no one can have it
00:41:04because if not, everyone would be giving it
00:41:06eternal faculties.
00:41:08The administration would be the safeguard
00:41:10It has no ability to sell absolutely nothing.
00:41:12And all power ceases to be valid
00:41:14among other things
00:41:16because it is revoked
00:41:18by the same person
00:41:20or because the person dies.
00:41:22Or unable.
00:41:24If the person dies,
00:41:26you had the power
00:41:28until minute one
00:41:30after he died.
00:41:32That power has no validity.
00:41:34Now, Juan Pablo, with what you are saying,
00:41:36if one day the daughters of Jorge
00:41:39can change the lock again
00:41:41so that they never enter the Marcovico cell again,
00:41:43is that their right?
00:41:45No.
00:41:47We are in the same line.
00:41:49We studied together.
00:41:51The youngest, surely.
00:41:53No, you.
00:41:55You.
00:41:57You just told me
00:41:59that the daughters of Lanata
00:42:01can impose the theft crime
00:42:03if they saw...
00:42:05Correct the verb.
00:42:08They could.
00:42:10It's a possibility.
00:42:12Let's make it clear.
00:42:14I'm not saying that...
00:42:16The lock.
00:42:18I'm saying that
00:42:20inside the roulette we have,
00:42:22one of the lockers
00:42:24is that the daughter lives there
00:42:26and tells us
00:42:28that out of the 53 missing objects,
00:42:30the silver, this, this and this
00:42:32is mine.
00:42:34The property was acquired before the wedding.
00:42:36Anyway, the daughters have more power
00:42:38over that house
00:42:40than Elva Marcovecchio.
00:42:42Because it's a property
00:42:44acquired before the wedding.
00:42:46Carmen, we're not talking about the property.
00:42:48We're talking about the furniture.
00:42:50Of course, but Guille said
00:42:52to close the door.
00:42:54No, but you couldn't do it
00:42:56because he gave her the key.
00:42:58Being capable
00:43:00and fully lucid,
00:43:02he gave her the key.
00:43:05It was very weird.
00:43:07It's very particular for each couple.
00:43:09Yes, it's very particular for each couple.
00:43:11Except for the fact that
00:43:13his wife told that,
00:43:15that could happen,
00:43:17that the girls ask him
00:43:19and that in this context
00:43:21is a precautionary measure
00:43:23for the property.
00:43:25I still didn't see the record
00:43:27that they say was broken
00:43:29and I didn't see the record
00:43:31that the written was broken.
00:43:33They were putting things in their wallets
00:43:36to make a notary public.
00:43:37I don't know if you remember,
00:43:39but one of the lawyers said they were making an inventory.
00:43:43But the inventory was under the desk.
00:43:46It's very strange.
00:43:48Even with pictures...
00:43:49What's the strangest thing you've seen?
00:43:51Everything.
00:43:53From whose side?
00:43:54From Elba's.
00:43:56From Dr. Marcovecchio's side.
00:43:58It's very strange.
00:44:01I turn to the right and open a parenthesis.
00:44:04I want to see what context it was in.
00:44:06We don't believe in ghosts.
00:44:08We need Elba to talk.
00:44:09I don't need her personally.
00:44:11After seeing this, I don't have many doubts.
00:44:15We're objective.
00:44:17Her image would be very good
00:44:21if you were accused of something
00:44:22that you have nothing to do with.
00:44:24You can clarify it.
00:44:26She's not a person who's not capable
00:44:28or doesn't know how to give an answer.
00:44:30She's a person who works in the media, like us.
00:44:33Anyone can sit in front of this camera
00:44:36and say, this was in this context.
00:44:39This isn't like that.
00:44:41You can even do it on a social network.
00:44:43She clarified that she wasn't the one
00:44:46who opposed the news.
00:44:50So, if she could do it like that,
00:44:53she could also make a small video...
00:44:56A video of the way she...
00:44:59Can we contemplate why you think she doesn't do it?
00:45:04She says this is a cachebache.
00:45:06In the audio with Francisco Casanovas,
00:45:10the man who had the key,
00:45:12he said, he referred to it,
00:45:14and he's showing his way of thinking.
00:45:18He said that if Jorge found out about this,
00:45:20he'd get angry because this is a conventillo, a cachebache.
00:45:24So, according to her, and according to her way of being,
00:45:26which doesn't match ours, Juan Pablo,
00:45:29because we're facing a direct accusation,
00:45:31and with such forceful images,
00:45:33we have to give her some kind of answer.
00:45:36You're accusing her of something like this,
00:45:38and you're going to hide and send a puppet to talk for you?
00:45:41Your partner says, don't do it, they're my daughters.
00:45:44You're going to show your face.
00:45:45There's a good point there.
00:45:46The purpose...
00:45:47If you asked for the cream...
00:45:49We don't know.
00:45:50The purpose of the presentation,
00:45:53which we didn't talk about, which is the origin of this,
00:45:55which we just talked about with Debora,
00:45:57which is...
00:45:59Because the faculties are in the woman.
00:46:02The possibility of entering and moving objects
00:46:04is in the woman.
00:46:05Like I said at the beginning.
00:46:06That can't be questioned.
00:46:08So daughters like that can't question it.
00:46:10If they call the judge in Cordoba,
00:46:13if they call the judge,
00:46:14to tell her,
00:46:16we don't question that she has the key,
00:46:18we don't question that she has the income,
00:46:20we don't question that she has things
00:46:21because she's a woman,
00:46:22and on top of that, she has a power for that.
00:46:24Now, we inform you...
00:46:26What's going on with all this, ma'am?
00:46:28Doctor, all this is happening.
00:46:30You're missing things.
00:46:32There are certificates...
00:46:33Besides, they're stealing three elastic bands from us.
00:46:37They would be missing,
00:46:38according to what the presentation itself says,
00:46:41certificates,
00:46:42numerous works of art,
00:46:44because he's a great collector of artistic themes.
00:46:47Things of great value are missing.
00:46:49So, what does the presentation do
00:46:51so that the judge stops the ball
00:46:54and sees what the whole situation is,
00:46:56and says,
00:46:57they're trying to have drugs.
00:46:58I greet our parents.
00:47:00They're neglecting it,
00:47:01and on top of that,
00:47:01a lot of things are missing.
00:47:03Doctor, do something.
00:47:05That's what they're telling you.
00:47:06Ask for judicial guardianship.
00:47:08With these tools that the judge has in the civil,
00:47:11can't he give a course to a cause
00:47:13that runs in criminal justice?
00:47:16It could derive as well...
00:47:19Juan Pablo...
00:47:20Juan Pablo, in a way, said that if she understood
00:47:24that there are actions that cause some type of crime,
00:47:28he could intervene.
00:47:29I think it's premature, as he says.
00:47:31That's why what he's doing is protecting,
00:47:34in some way, Jorge Lanata
00:47:36in every way he can.
00:47:38That's why I told you at the beginning
00:47:40that it's about guardianship,
00:47:42about protection.
00:47:43Either through legal counseling, he protects him.
00:47:46Either by going to see if he has discernment,
00:47:48if he's in 100% of his domain,
00:47:50of his psychic abilities.
00:47:52Either because he authorized this.
00:47:55Either in the goods,
00:47:57because he can even order the restitution,
00:48:01because that would be within his faculties.
00:48:03He can take it as an office to order the restitution.
00:48:06He can do whatever he wants.
00:48:08The judge is making good decisions.
00:48:09Telling Alba Marcovecchio to take back
00:48:12everything he took out of the case.
00:48:13As far as he can, he can.
00:48:15The judge is doing this,
00:48:16supporting what Debora clearly explains.
00:48:20Yes.
00:48:21You heard about the flowers we threw at each other?
00:48:23Yes, because we love each other.
00:48:24It's like in the spring.
00:48:25No, no.
00:48:26The truth is that all of us who come to the media
00:48:29always respect each other a lot.
00:48:31We don't fight against each other.
00:48:32No, no, but also...
00:48:33I've known Pablo for millions of years.
00:48:35I suppose that...
00:48:36We had friends in common.
00:48:37They should be in the general opinion
00:48:39of the majority that sees a colleague
00:48:42and causes this...
00:48:43We also feel sorry for them.
00:48:45From a legal point of view,
00:48:46what we do is something quite simple to analyze
00:48:50and to know where we stand.
00:48:51Because it's not a movie or a novel.
00:48:55This comes from everything we're talking about with Debora
00:48:57and explaining that joy to the audience.
00:48:59It comes from the law itself.
00:49:00It comes from the civil code.
00:49:02The law speaks.
00:49:03And this is one more case, because it happens.
00:49:05Unfortunately, this happens to people who are not
00:49:08Jorge Lanata's wife.
00:49:10And justice doesn't intervene in the same way
00:49:12and the judge doesn't.
00:49:13No, absolutely not.
00:49:14No, but...
00:49:15The judge is doing a good job of taking care of Jorge
00:49:18based on what Juan Pablo says.
00:49:20I have a judge, judge number 13, civil 13,
00:49:23who with everything that Elba Marcovecchio did,
00:49:27he gave her all the reason and everything was perfect.
00:49:30So, you have two types of judges.
00:49:33The judge who takes care of things
00:49:34and the judge who is really bad.
00:49:37So, when there's a judge who takes care of things,
00:49:40you have to highlight it.
00:49:41Because in reality, in civil justice today,
00:49:44it's the forum that has the most judges.
00:49:46It has 56 judges.
00:49:48It's terrible.
00:49:49More than highlighting it...
00:49:52Look where we've gotten.
00:49:53Let's see what you're going to say.
00:49:54More than highlighting it,
00:49:56it's an obligation.
00:49:57Of course.
00:49:58You, as a magistrate, it's an obligation.
00:50:00It's like saying,
00:50:00no, the policeman who did things right didn't steal.
00:50:03The truth is that...
00:50:04No, it's okay.
00:50:05But you put it in front of judges,
00:50:07because it's terrible.
00:50:08What happens is that...
00:50:09In the Argentine mentality,
00:50:11when you do something right, you consider it...
00:50:13Civil justice has a terrible lag.
00:50:15No, they consider it, because they are judges,
00:50:17so they can face it at some point,
00:50:18or have it in front of the magistrate.
00:50:20But we...
00:50:21Civil justice has a lag.
00:50:23Débora, we just talked about it.
00:50:25It has a terrible lag.
00:50:26Of causes that sleep, but you know what?
00:50:28Whole years.
00:50:29Where people present things,
00:50:31and you think it comes out with this speed?
00:50:33No.
00:50:33And that it lacks common sense, Guillermo.
00:50:36That's the key.
00:50:38The key to the issues,
00:50:40generally, of families, civil issues,
00:50:42that's it.
00:50:43It's common sense.
00:50:44Very good.
00:50:45Now, there's something that transcends...
00:50:47When Jorge says,
00:50:48there's always time to answer,
00:50:50surely he's referring to his health.
00:50:53Of course.
00:50:54But this that he kept going around,
00:50:56which is not good,
00:50:57which is the accusation
00:50:58that the daughters of Lanata,
00:51:00to him, to Marcovecchio...
00:51:01That they want to kill me?
00:51:02Of course.
00:51:03That they took him a cake...
00:51:05It's very serious.
00:51:07It's very serious.
00:51:08That's why I tell you...
00:51:09But Lanata doesn't know.
00:51:10I'm going to ask in front of my ignorance.
00:51:11The judge...
00:51:12Could I ask you that too?
00:51:14Did you come, Ms. Marcovecchio,
00:51:15to give him a cigarette
00:51:17and a cake from Marugotana?
00:51:19Let's see, the judge can do what she wants.
00:51:21Could I have asked that too?
00:51:22Yes, you could have asked...
00:51:23I don't think...
00:51:24Because it's even more serious than...
00:51:25But I'm not going to kill him.
00:51:26I don't think he wanted to...
00:51:27There it is, look.
00:51:28I don't think he wanted to go
00:51:29to kill Sisania in that situation.
00:51:31He's not going to do it right now.
00:51:32But you understand what I'm saying, right?
00:51:33Let's see, what I think...
00:51:34On one side, the Marcovecchio says,
00:51:35they want to see me dead.
00:51:36You can have the interpretation.
00:51:37What I must have asked, surely,
00:51:41is the issue of supervising also...
00:51:45Hey, how are they attending him?
00:51:47Of course.
00:51:48I want to see the clinical history.
00:51:49What medication is he taking?
00:51:51On one hand, you know what?
00:51:52Ask for the kidnapping of the clinical history.
00:51:53Okay, they must have asked for it.
00:51:55Why do we think about the kidnapping
00:51:57of the clinical history?
00:51:59Let's see, the only thing that will support
00:52:01all the sayings of that lawsuit
00:52:03is the clinical history on time.
00:52:05Because even the head doctor was denied,
00:52:07according to the sayings of the lawsuit,
00:52:09to see Jorge Lanata.
00:52:11And that doctor has the whole map of the body.
00:52:15And each...
00:52:16Let's say, it's like us.
00:52:18We have each cause, each file,
00:52:20in our head.
00:52:21He has in his head
00:52:23everything that is the body of Jorge Lanata
00:52:25that he medicated for one thing,
00:52:26that he did for another.
00:52:27And why?
00:52:28Because he saved him so many times.
00:52:29And why did the daughters want
00:52:31Flenny to go and not go to another place
00:52:33for recovery in Santa Catalina?
00:52:35Because they also saved him
00:52:38in another opportunity.
00:52:39And they maintain that in a month
00:52:41he would already be in conditions
00:52:43of being externalized, for example.
00:52:45Because there are a lot of hospital diseases.
00:52:47It is very common.
00:52:48We also see it all the time.
00:52:50The family wars
00:52:52of different visions.
00:52:54That is, I am going to put myself
00:52:56in the first person
00:52:58so as not to wish harm to anyone.
00:53:00Something happens to me, I am hospitalized
00:53:02and my father is going to appear,
00:53:04a son, if he were older,
00:53:06a partner, friends.
00:53:08Then everyone starts to think.
00:53:10And the question would be,
00:53:12from the whole environment,
00:53:14who has legal priority
00:53:16to listen to him?
00:53:18Because there are things
00:53:20that have to be determined
00:53:22by the direct relatives.
00:53:24When they say,
00:53:26where do we take him?
00:53:28To Flenny?
00:53:30In the case of Lanata,
00:53:32who has priority?
00:53:34The woman.
00:53:35Is there a way to affect Elba's health
00:53:37so that Jorge Lanata dies?
00:53:39I think so.
00:53:41Let's say they slide it.
00:53:43No, they don't slide it.
00:53:45There is no specific accusation.
00:53:47They throw it down an 11-14.
00:53:49I am a little more subtle.
00:53:51For me, what they point out is
00:53:53that they do not make wise decisions
00:53:55for the health of our father.
00:53:57So they are not in a position
00:53:59to continue having
00:54:01in their power
00:54:03to decide the evolution.
00:54:05That's why there were testimonies.
00:54:07Look how smart the lawyer
00:54:09who filed that lawsuit was.
00:54:11We congratulate the colleague.
00:54:13He included the testimonial statements
00:54:15of the daughters.
00:54:17He included them in the lawsuit itself.
00:54:19Then, by including them
00:54:21in the lawsuit itself,
00:54:23it is part of a charge test
00:54:25that can be asked to be ratified.
00:54:27Obviously, it will be ratified,
00:54:29but the judge has more evidence
00:54:31to intervene in relation
00:54:33to the cakes and all that.
00:54:35I think it tends to everything.
00:54:37Not only the medical decisions
00:54:39were not appropriate,
00:54:41but the decisions to even give him
00:54:43medications that could be
00:54:45incompatible with the great
00:54:47spectrum of medication he takes.
00:54:49We are talking about a transplanted man,
00:54:51we are talking about a man
00:54:53with very terrible cardioparties.
00:54:55In other words, really,
00:54:57according to the statements
00:54:59of the media,
00:55:01apart from those who are explicitly
00:55:03registered...
00:55:05Being hospitalized?
00:55:07No, being externalized.
00:55:09She gave a story...
00:55:11According to what she says,
00:55:13she interfered outside
00:55:15of the treatments she had planned.
00:55:17In two ways.
00:55:19We are talking in an eventual way,
00:55:21because we do not even know
00:55:23what the daughters say.
00:55:25The witnesses and the daughters.
00:55:27The witnesses and the daughters.
00:55:29But in two specific ways.
00:55:31The close environment was the one
00:55:33who testified in this file
00:55:35in the lawsuit itself,
00:55:37not outside.
00:55:39You can call your lady to confirm,
00:55:41yes, to question her, yes,
00:55:43but it is already part of what...
00:55:45She already has a strong base to start from.
00:55:47We already have a strong base to start from,
00:55:49because they are the closest,
00:55:51and there are no closer than them.
00:55:53So, in two ways she intervened
00:55:55and damaged the health or deviated
00:55:57the course of the medical treatments
00:55:59that were specifically determined.
00:56:01With the famous cakes
00:56:03and with giving medication
00:56:05that was not part of the body of medications
00:56:07to a person who is a bomb per se.
00:56:09Because with all love,
00:56:11I say it, right?
00:56:13It is a person who has an absolutely punished body
00:56:15and who has been fighting it
00:56:17for how long, Guillermo?
00:56:19Years.
00:56:21Years of medical treatments,
00:56:23so that this medication does not hurt him,
00:56:25for these things, of transplants.
00:56:27And he survives.
00:56:29And he survives because he is a warrior.
00:56:31Because he is a warrior and he is a bull.
00:56:33We have a civil lawsuit
00:56:35that the judge will dictate shortly,
00:56:37but we can imagine,
00:56:39hoping that the outcome is not fatal,
00:56:41but supposing the worst,
00:56:43a trial in the future
00:56:45similar to the Maradona case.
00:56:47Don't you have the slightest doubt?
00:56:49Sure.
00:56:51The first sparks of a rain
00:56:53that is going to be a torrential storm.
00:56:55The least doubt
00:56:57that behind this comes a war
00:56:59where the ex-women are going to be,
00:57:01the woman,
00:57:03the daughters.
00:57:05And a lawsuit of damages too.
00:57:07And it's going to be an all-against-all
00:57:09like Titans in the Ring.
00:57:11Listen to me, Juan Pablo,
00:57:13this of, let's say,
00:57:15attempting against health and physical integrity
00:57:17also has a civil correlation.
00:57:19Could you say
00:57:21if she had not raised
00:57:23the glucose,
00:57:25the consequence could have been...
00:57:27If you get to verify what you say,
00:57:29the issue of having attempted...
00:57:31One thing is to say it, another thing is to verify it.
00:57:33We can also have a pre-mortem.
00:57:35But, sorry,
00:57:37let's not talk about pre-mortem.
00:57:39Juan Pablo,
00:57:41can't we see now
00:57:43if there is a point of congruence
00:57:45of a peak of glucose
00:57:47with a visit from someone?
00:57:49Well, that's why it's key what Debora said.
00:57:51The kidnapping, the history of the clinic,
00:57:53and the kidnapping, if I were...
00:57:55I would have already asked for it.
00:57:57Because it's very serious.
00:57:59Those of us who were in charge of investigations
00:58:01in the public sphere,
00:58:03first the kidnapping,
00:58:05and then give me all the cameras
00:58:07of the clinic,
00:58:09give me all the list of entrances and visits
00:58:11with detailed schedules.
00:58:13And why do you think they don't know that?
00:58:15Well, that's the problem.
00:58:17One thing is when you go to the toilet here,
00:58:19and another thing is when you go to the toilet there.
00:58:21No, but I'll tell you something.
00:58:23In cases of intensive care,
00:58:25there are usually two types of controls
00:58:27where, clinically,
00:58:29the laboratories extract one or two times a day.
00:58:31In fact, it already has a route set up
00:58:33so that you don't have to be pricking.
00:58:35I'm talking in general, I'm not just talking about Jorge.
00:58:37So, they permanently measure it
00:58:39and analyze the blood values
00:58:41of a lot of parameters that doctors look for.
00:58:43Sometimes I think of a criminal mentality.
00:58:45If he had a hiccup,
00:58:47his glucose was shot
00:58:49because he had to eat rice with puree,
00:58:51and someone came mysteriously
00:58:53and brought him two lemon pies,
00:58:55as they say he ate,
00:58:57and he was shot.
00:58:59There we will be able to know
00:59:01whose camera entered,
00:59:03who took the lemon pies,
00:59:05and after the product of that food intake,
00:59:07the blood values
00:59:09must have been shot.
00:59:11So, there you can build
00:59:13a kind of correlation to say,
00:59:15yes, but wait,
00:59:17here we have someone who really
00:59:19wanted to attack life,
00:59:21be it Markovecki or Pirullo.
00:59:23Because, look, in the morning
00:59:25the values gave him 8,
00:59:27someone came and gave him two lemon pies,
00:59:29that he can't eat, he has it very restricted,
00:59:31and the values give him 24.
00:59:33Of course.
00:59:35And there it is no use to say that Jorge said,
00:59:37I got rotten with the chicken and the rice.
00:59:39Bring me a lemon pie.
00:59:41But, Guille, you are hospitalized,
00:59:43the first thing you're going to think,
00:59:45as a relative, the first thing he's going to do
00:59:47is take care of you.
00:59:49If you go and they tell you,
00:59:51what happened to him?
00:59:53No, they shot him three times,
00:59:55but you know what?
00:59:57He's hungry, he wants to eat 10 capsaicin.
00:59:59And you can't eat 10 capsaicin, Guille,
01:00:01you have to eat the food at the hospital.
01:00:03Sure.
01:00:05You think of one thing,
01:00:07Diego was in intensive care,
01:00:09and he asked for whiskey.
01:00:11A paralysis, in the case of Maradona,
01:00:13where many said that they took Diego
01:00:15because Diego asked for it.
01:00:17And the one who didn't take him,
01:00:19Diego took him out of the hospital.
01:00:21But Diego was not hospitalized.
01:00:23If the guy who is hospitalized in therapy,
01:00:25and I let him talk about the case of Deborah,
01:00:27of the father, which is delicate,
01:00:29the guy who is in intensive care,
01:00:31at a moment of lucidity he says,
01:00:33Guille, since you came,
01:00:35you're going to take care of him,
01:00:37you're going to tell him, you can't smoke.
01:00:39Besides, I wanted to tell you this,
01:00:41all the people who are in intensive care,
01:00:43or many of the people,
01:00:45they don't take into account,
01:00:47they think they can with their lives,
01:00:49because no one thinks that they are fighting,
01:00:51they always have the quota of hope,
01:00:53and that thing, I'm going to be able, I'm going to be able.
01:00:55I'll give you an example,
01:00:57he was hospitalized in intensive care,
01:00:59he took when he was happy and content,
01:01:01a Chivas, in my house.
01:01:03I asked the nurse,
01:01:05can you bring me a whiskey, please?
01:01:07As if the guy had, I don't know,
01:01:09in an all-inclusive.
01:01:11So, of course, you understand?
01:01:13This is normal.
01:01:15In the case of Cassandra,
01:01:17I asked for a cigarette, too.
01:01:19You understand?
01:01:21Of so many people.
01:01:23And then, beware,
01:01:25fear and responsibility,
01:01:27because we are going to look for
01:01:29the most twisted possible.
01:01:31And I see that a person comes and brings him
01:01:33a whiskey,
01:01:35the whiskey that says,
01:01:37without passing the Chivas,
01:01:39the whiskey, the cigarettes,
01:01:41the tortilla,
01:01:43and my relative dies,
01:01:45and I'm going to drag you,
01:01:47and I'm going to tell you,
01:01:49you came to the clinic,
01:01:51you were with a restricted count medication,
01:01:53you entered smuggling
01:01:55a certain amount of material
01:01:57that you know you couldn't consume or take,
01:01:59and you were responsible,
01:02:01and that led to her death,
01:02:03and I can drag you to a guilty homicide.
01:02:05That's in the criminal plan,
01:02:07but in the civil plan,
01:02:09which is something interesting,
01:02:11you can take away that 33%
01:02:13that she could inherit,
01:02:15because you make a judgment
01:02:17of damages and perjuries,
01:02:19of instigation,
01:02:21that is, because the cause
01:02:23for which, or one of the causes
01:02:25for which...
01:02:27I don't know,
01:02:29Juan Pablo and I
01:02:31made a book for Netflix.
01:02:33Is it being written
01:02:35among the protagonists?
01:02:37No, but I'll tell you,
01:02:39from a civil point of view,
01:02:41the factor of attribution
01:02:43of responsibility,
01:02:45that is, what makes you responsible
01:02:47and you have to compensate someone,
01:02:49there has to be a relationship
01:02:51of cause and effect.
01:02:53So a cause that can be
01:02:55the death or any other
01:02:57of the possible hypotheses
01:02:59that we handle,
01:03:01may have been the famous Lemon Pie,
01:03:03or it may have been the adulteration
01:03:05of the treatment they gave her,
01:03:07because there was a specific person
01:03:09designated and in charge
01:03:11of giving her the
01:03:13punctual medication,
01:03:15because with sick people as complex
01:03:17as these, you have to look
01:03:19at what date, at what time
01:03:21they give her the medication.
01:03:23But public opinion,
01:03:25and most people,
01:03:27already took part.
01:03:29And they took part
01:03:31largely because of Jorge's daughters.
01:03:33And because of Jorge.
01:03:35I don't doubt it.
01:03:37When you see images...
01:03:39But it would be good
01:03:41for Dr. Markowicz to come out
01:03:43and clarify it for herself.
01:03:45The daughters are totally
01:03:47concerned about the father's health.
01:03:49Both daughters.
01:03:51I ask Debora and Juan Pablo,
01:03:53is there any instance
01:03:55of mediation,
01:03:57of bringing the parties together
01:03:59so that they can talk
01:04:01and lower the pressure?
01:04:03No, because at this time
01:04:05there is no trial.
01:04:07There is no complaint.
01:04:09What there was was a determination
01:04:11of capacity, and we got this far.
01:04:13So it should be them.
01:04:15Elba and the daughters.
01:04:17I don't rule out
01:04:19that the letter made that claim
01:04:21that I thought, doctor,
01:04:23I don't know who you are,
01:04:25but I congratulate you,
01:04:27I thought it was wonderful.
01:04:29Can you cite that mediation?
01:04:31Quietly.
01:04:33Quietly.
01:04:35And it would be a way
01:04:37to solve this too.
01:04:39And also to ask for the kidnapping
01:04:41and the urgent clinical history.
01:04:43And with this I conclude.
01:04:45Jorge's daughters
01:04:47don't have to speak.
01:04:49Jorge's daughters already spoke
01:04:51with the presentation
01:04:53they signed before the court
01:04:55and they said a lot of things.
01:04:57Jorge's daughters don't have to speak.
01:04:59The one who has to speak,
01:05:01if it were in my case,
01:05:03would go out and say
01:05:05this was in this context.
01:05:07And maybe Dr. Marcovecchio speaks
01:05:09and explains,
01:05:11that's why she has the right to speak,
01:05:13that the situation was not as they are saying,
01:05:15but she has the right to justify.
01:05:17Because maybe she can say,
01:05:19Jorge asked me
01:05:21that the four glasses
01:05:23that I'm showing in the video,
01:05:25that he protects the four glasses
01:05:27because at night two electricians
01:05:29came who I didn't know
01:05:31and had friends who stole them.
01:05:33A silly example,
01:05:35but it can give 40 explanations.
01:05:37It would be good for the professional image
01:05:39of Dr. Marcovecchio
01:05:41that she can clarify it.
01:05:43It's a pleasure to be here.
01:05:45We are going to invite you
01:05:47if you have time.
01:05:49But I come with Dr. Amos.
01:05:51Dr. Amos is already part of the team.