ATAQUE DE IRÁN A ISRAEL: EL HORROR DESDE ADENTRO CONTADO POR UN MÉDICO
ATAQUE DE IRÁN A ISRAEL: EL HORROR DESDE ADENTRO CONTADO POR UN MÉDICO
En medio de una escalada de violencia, Israel enfrenta un intenso bombardeo con decenas de misiles lanzados desde Irán. Hablamos con Alejandro Roisentul, director gral. Cirugía del Hospital Ziv
"Tengo un refugio, no podemos salir a la calle"
"Están bombardeando el hospital"
"Este fue el peor ataque de la historia"
Seguí en Alerta 24/7
ATAQUE DE IRÁN A ISRAEL: EL HORROR DESDE ADENTRO CONTADO POR UN MÉDICO
En medio de una escalada de violencia, Israel enfrenta un intenso bombardeo con decenas de misiles lanzados desde Irán. Hablamos con Alejandro Roisentul, director gral. Cirugía del Hospital Ziv
"Tengo un refugio, no podemos salir a la calle"
"Están bombardeando el hospital"
"Este fue el peor ataque de la historia"
Seguí en Alerta 24/7
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00:00Alejandro Roy Centules, Director of the Oral and Maxillofacial Surgery Unit of SIF Medical Center in Zafed, Israel.
00:08Candidate for the Nobel Peace Prize for serving Syrian victims of the civil war.
00:13How are you Alejandro, Diego Esteves, Nahuel Suarez and the entire team of Alerta 24-7?
00:17Hello, how are you? Good afternoon.
00:19Well, we are leaving the shelters.
00:23We are a little agitated, worried.
00:28And on top of that, I am on maximum alert in the hospital in Zafed.
00:33It is ten minutes from my house.
00:36So, on the one hand, we are on alert and on guard
00:41to attend to the possible wounded in the war.
00:45And on the other hand, we are also being bombed.
00:48Even the same hospital is being bombed right now.
00:53Something that should not happen, right?
00:55That's crazy, that's crazy, Diego.
00:57The hospital is a fixed target of Hezbollah and now also of Iran.
01:04That's why these days we are on maximum alert.
01:09The majority, not the majority, all the patients who were hospitalized,
01:13we took them underground.
01:16We are, the whole hospital is attending at this time
01:19in places where one can be protected, like shelters.
01:25We practically emptied the entire hospital of elective care
01:31and of the patients that we could send to the center of the country.
01:35Of course, a year ago we were at war and we were being attacked.
01:40And this last week we are already with the very high possibility
01:46of not being able to leave the hospital anymore
01:49and stay to sleep in the hospital.
01:51All the surgeons and doctors for the sake of their own safety.
01:55Alejandro, where do you find the first alert, I imagine, of this attack?
02:02Well, the word surprise is not so much, because I was desperate.
02:08But yes, I was in the hospital all morning until 4 in the afternoon, 5 in the afternoon.
02:13I came home and I was here, I'm here in my house.
02:18In my house I have a shelter, mine, of the house, which I have already visited three times.
02:27I can't go out to the street, I have here, it's a private house.
02:35I don't go out to the street, the most I go out is to the garden.
02:40And this weekend, several times, being in the garden, the alarms began
02:47and the bombings, I had to run to the shelter.
02:50We are like this, it must be noted that we have been like this for a year since October 7.
02:57This was not, this continues all the time the same.
03:04And now we are for worse.
03:08But obviously it is a step that Israel has to go through to be able to end this policy of Iran,
03:19of attacking Israel now directly.
03:24This was the worst attack in the history of Israel.
03:27Yes, that's what I was going to ask.
03:29It is the worst attack. 181 missiles were launched from Iran.
03:35Now, if I tell you, you have 181 missiles coming from Brazil or Chile,
03:43and well, all of Argentina is under shelter. It's the same.
03:46Unthinkable. That's why I ask you these questions, let's say, how did you live it?
03:50Because for one who never had to go through a war,
03:54well, it's worth talking about those little things just to raise awareness.
04:01Well, this is something unprecedented for Israel.
04:04Israel, I have been here for 35 years.
04:08Somehow it comes to my mind, I'm used to it,
04:14I say it in quotes, attacks from Lebanon, attacks from Gaza,
04:18a missile here, a missile there, or missiles, right?
04:23But April 14th was the first major attack from Iran, directly from Israel,
04:31and now it was the second, which are unprecedented things.
04:34There have never been missile attacks from Iran.
04:39It was the first time that Iran took off its mask and showed what it really is.
04:45It's the real enemy of Israel.
04:49The enemies of Israel, excuse me, let me finish, please,
04:52it's important to say that our enemies are not the people of Lebanon
04:58or the Palestinian people in Gaza.
05:01Those are not our enemies.
05:03Our real enemy is Iran, which wants to destroy Israel,
05:08and that's why it feeds and banks economically the proxies of Hezbollah.
05:17Alejandro, being on guard now, have you reported any wounded?
05:23What's our status?
05:25For now, there are no wounded.
05:27Good.
05:28Don't forget that since yesterday, the Israeli army has entered Lebanon.
05:36And well, let's hope that our soldiers are well protected,
05:45but we are attentive to everything that can happen.
05:48As I was saying, the hospital is practically empty.
05:51I think there are 20 patients in the hospital.
05:54All the operating rooms are free in case there are wounded,
06:03either citizens or soldiers, God willing.
06:06But the hospital is 100% dedicated to the war.
06:12As you said, in 2017, we were busy attending to the wounded Syrians
06:18in the civil war in Syria.
06:20Obviously, Israel is always at the forefront of medical attention.
06:31And well, the hospital, as it is a border hospital,
06:36we are seven kilometers from the Libyan border.
06:39Just seven kilometers.
06:40You are in one of the hottest areas of the conflict, right?
06:43I am in the hottest area.
06:45We are at the border, seven kilometers from Lebanon
06:49and 40 kilometers in a straight line with Syria.
06:51You are there, you are there.
06:53We are there.
06:54Let's say, if you get an alert on the phone, as Gabriel Avstrovsky explained,
06:58you have 15 seconds or so to go to the shelter.
07:02The phrase you said is the time I have to get to the shelter.
07:07It's nothing.
07:09It's running.
07:11I'm here, I don't know, 20 meters, 10 meters from the shelter.
07:15It's my house.
07:16But I practically never get to close the door to the shelter
07:20and I already start to hear the sounds.
07:23I don't know if Ale can really, more for security reasons,
07:28but from here, and being so far away,
07:31and perhaps not living the situations you have to live every day,
07:37how is it if you get up from there to enter the shelter, for example?
07:41People here in Argentina have no idea.
07:44We believe it is a basement.
07:47Are we wrong?
07:49Are you far away to show us?
07:50Can you or not?
07:51I'll show you.
07:55I'm here in the kitchen.
07:57If the alarm rings now, would you go that way?
08:01Yes.
08:02Of course.
08:03I'm here.
08:05I don't know if I can turn the camera around.
08:09Don't worry, we're live, so don't worry.
08:12It's understandable.
08:13I'm here.
08:14So there you open that door.
08:16Yes.
08:18Here I open the door.
08:21Here I have a ladder.
08:23Ah, of course, look.
08:27That is, you have to do that in 15 seconds with nerves.
08:31It's incredible.
08:32It's incredible.
08:33As trained as one is, as Alejandro just said,
08:36Look, look, look, look.
08:38What do you have in there, Alejandro?
08:41What do you have in there?
08:43There was no hidden entrance, a tunnel.
08:47But here, this is the shelter.
08:50I don't know if it looks good.
08:51Yes, yes, it looks perfect.
08:53I have a bed because it is likely that I will have to sleep here at some point.
08:58I have water.
09:00Of course.
09:01Okay, provisions.
09:02The provisions.
09:03Two for two, right?
09:04The provisions.
09:05I have...
09:06Here it is important to have...
09:09What would it be?
09:10Battery.
09:11The battery where I have light because it is likely that at some point there will be a power outage.
09:18Of course.
09:19We need a battery.
09:22We have water.
09:24It's crazy to go like this, my God.
09:26How long did you spend in that shelter?
09:30How long did you spend uninterruptedly in that shelter?
09:35Today I was there three times.
09:37Of course.
09:38And Alejandro, they also send you a message through the cell phone to be able to leave, right?
09:43Yes, there are immediate alerts on the cell phones.
09:48Well, how long did it take me to get off?
09:51Ten seconds.
09:52Of course.
09:53No, of course.
09:54You also have to think about the nerves.
09:57First, the nerves at the moment it grabs you and suddenly in 15 seconds you have to solve it.
10:03With fear, Lu, maybe you will hold on to the shelter.
10:07Totally.
10:08Or I think of perhaps more numerous families, right?
10:10Of course.
10:11With many children.
10:12I mean, small children.
10:13Those situations too.
10:14Exactly.
10:15There are pregnant people.
10:16There are big people.
10:17People with wheelchairs.
10:19Many people get hurt when they are on their way to the shelter.
10:23Notice that, for example, something very mastic, which is, for example, to bathe.
10:31I don't know when to bathe.
10:33Sometimes I say, well, I bathe now.
10:35They just said you can go out and you bathe quickly.
10:38Because imagine if you are bathing, you get an alarm.
10:42You have to run all wet.
10:44You don't even have time to dry yourself.
10:46And Alejandro, I find it very interesting because we are so far from reality.
10:50So far, of course.
10:51That the story is very interesting and very tremendous too, right?
10:55With a lot of anguish.
10:57Is there a moment when, unfortunately, you tend to naturalize it as a defense mechanism?
11:03Because I say, living in a state of alertness continuously is very exhausting.
11:07Not only mentally, for the physical even.
11:11Yes, we are exhausted.
11:13It's late, it's night, but we hardly sleep because there are no alarms.
11:20There are no alarms at this time because it is full of planes.
11:22Sure.
11:23And you can still hear bombs in the surroundings.
11:25And obviously, you sleep with one eye open, with the light on.
11:36Because you are not going to start turning on the light.
11:38You won't find the key to turn on the light.
11:40You're going to fall and hit the walls.
11:42You always leave it on.
11:44You leave everything on.
11:46Yes.
11:47And this is something important.
11:49Look, today we talked at the hospital, with the director of the hospital.
11:53And for example, in 2006, in the war in Lebanon, it lasted 36 days.
12:04And it was difficult.
12:06It was 36 days, a month, a little more than a month.
12:09You can hold that situation for a month and say, well, it's over.
12:13But here we are after a year.
12:15A year is a time when you can't say that you normalize the situation.
12:27You don't go out to drink coffee, you don't go out to eat, you don't go out to the street.
12:34People are not on the street.
12:36Not only that, I calculate the issue of the school, the boys.
12:39How do you send the boys to school?
12:41Or the boys, I don't know, they grab you and say,
12:43here it is very illogical to say,
12:45hey dad, come, I don't know, make a call to my friends from school.
12:50There should be none of this, right?
12:52And make a call.
12:53No, no, here the boys are like on the crown.
12:55They study one day, then the next day they are on Zoom.
12:58Look, for example, at the medical school,
13:03they just finished class and said, now what?
13:06You can't study anymore, that's it.
13:08What a mess.
13:09Because you say, well, at the medical school,
13:13which we teach there, in Barilán, here in Zafet, there is a shelter.
13:20Well, you have to get to college.
13:22Sure.
13:23You have to travel from your house, you have to go by car,
13:25you have to park the car and walk to college.
13:30And that is a big problem.
13:33Going out.
13:34Today I went out to the hospital,
13:36they rang the alarm twice during the day.
13:39In the hospital I am in the shelter,
13:41but when I left the car, I had to go through a bridge, for example.
13:44Sure.
13:45And well, you go fast and pray that they don't go down the bridge.
13:48Yes, totally.
13:51I ask you, Alejandro, what happens in the community,
13:54what happens with the neighbors,
13:55with the people you work with there in the hospital?
13:57Is there a kind of containment network?
13:59Because I understand that it is very difficult to go through a situation like this,
14:02very exhausting, but at the same time you find a whole town
14:06that is in the same thing that one is going through, right?
14:09Yes, we have ...
14:11Good question, because we have psychological support,
14:15to reinforce the team.
14:19Look, I need to remember,
14:22these days, for example, I'm doing 1 plus 1, right?
14:26Yes.
14:28As there are no schools, as I said,
14:31the hospital workers, the nurses and the doctors
14:35come with the kids to the hospital.
14:37You see a lot of kids in the hospital.
14:40And the hospital opened a kind of nursery,
14:44it is said, of children's nurseries.
14:47Yes, of guardianship.
14:48Of guardianship, what it would be for children, and it is full.
14:52People come with the kids, because on the one hand,
14:55you can't leave the kids alone at home,
14:58and on the other hand, you can't stop working.
15:01The nurses, the nurses, the doctors have to come to work,
15:05precisely in these days.
15:07So, you see a nurse coming with two or three kids,
15:11they are there on the side, they go to the nursery,
15:14and that's what you see all these days in the hospital.
15:18Notice that those kids went through,
15:21like the kids from Argentina too, two years of Corona,
15:24and then came a time more or less well,
15:27and now again, we are a year ago,
15:30these kids are sheltered, without schools.
15:34It is a generation that will suffer a lot, yes.
15:40There will be a very important post-trauma.
15:43Alejandro, I imagine this is, logically, minute by minute,
15:46you are Director General of Surgery of a hospital.
15:50Has the protocol changed, I say, to take dimension
15:53in what situation the conflict is in?
15:55Has the protocol changed for the doctors?
15:57From today on, have the warnings, the precautions, been extended?
16:04As I said, I am a maxillofacial surgeon,
16:06I am part of the trauma team of the hospital,
16:09along with the trauma surgeon,
16:13anesthesiologist and the rest.
16:17Yes, we are on maximum alert,
16:20there are no selective treatments in the hospital,
16:23we are all the time already trained.
16:28For example, if there is now a call,
16:30I know exactly where I have to be,
16:33in the hospital, in the guard, where to stop,
16:35what to do.
16:38Notice that a couple of months ago,
16:40there was this terrifying attack,
16:4312 Russian boys died,
16:46at the height of the Golan Heights.
16:48Do you remember that a bomb fell on a soccer field?
16:51Yes, of course.
16:52Killing 12 boys and injuring more than 30.
16:56And those 30 boys arrived at the hospital in Safed,
16:59and it was at night,
17:02until they arrived at the hospital, it was 8 or 9 at night,
17:05we were at home,
17:06they made us a call,
17:08of course there are automatic general calls,
17:12which are shot by the hospital operator,
17:17to get immediately to the hospital,
17:20to all the group that has to arrive,
17:22and then in 15 minutes they were in the hospital,
17:25and I already knew where I had to be,
17:28what I had to do,
17:30everything is super organized,
17:32there is no chaos,
17:33usually when 30 injured come to the hospital,
17:36in any hospital,
17:37there is always chaos if you are not organized,
17:41and notice that there were two boys,
17:443, 4, 5 years old,
17:46the oldest I think he was 15,
17:49and they were coming with helicopters,
17:52because it was very far,
17:54some later in the ambulance arrived,
17:58really see those Russian boys,
18:00who are our brothers,
18:03brothers of Israel,
18:05citizens of Israel,
18:06brothers of the Jews,
18:08our friends,
18:09there are many doctors and nurses
18:11who are working in the Russian community,
18:14in the hospital,
18:16and really see the boys,
18:18the children of our friends,
18:20injured, badly injured,
18:23really hurts the soul,
18:25and I think no one deserves
18:28to be attacked that way,
18:31notice that Iran
18:33does not have limited problems with Israel,
18:38Iran is 2,000 kilometers away,
18:41I don't know,
18:42take Buenos Aires now,
18:44and draw a line 2,000 kilometers,
18:46I don't know where it is,
18:47to the north for example,
18:50that would be the distance,
18:54it is only an ideological problem
18:56of extremist terrorist groups
18:59of the Islamic Republic,
19:01which has also taken,
19:03as I said at the beginning,
19:07Gaby,
19:08who took hostages
19:10also to the people of Iran,
19:12who fell hostages
19:13of the same Islamic Republic,
19:16which is extremist and religious,
19:20and they want not only to destroy Israel,
19:22but also to dominate the world,
19:24like Europe, the United States, South America,
19:26the attacks of AMIA,
19:28of the Israeli embassy,
19:29don't forget that this is not,
19:31from now on,
19:32it is not a war between Israel and Hamas,
19:34I always said the first day,
19:35when we talked in the notes,
19:38that the war with Hamas,
19:40I said from the first day
19:41that this is a much more important war,
19:43it is not Israel with Hamas,
19:45but it is this line of evil,
19:52the line of evil against the West,
19:55against democracies,
19:56they attack democracies
19:58because they don't believe in democracies,
20:01and really Israel,
20:02at the moment,
20:03is at the forefront of everything,
20:05what would be the front
20:06of the democracies of the world,
20:07to defend what may come,
20:12these missiles are aimed at Israel,
20:15and they also have missiles
20:17aimed at Europe and the United States.