冨永愛の伝統to未来～ニッポンの伝統文化を未来へ紡ぐ～ 2024年10月02日 備前焼・職人対談
冨永愛の伝統to未来～ニッポンの伝統文化を未来へ紡ぐ～ 2024年10月02日 備前焼・職人対談
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00:00This time, I, Tomina Gai, visited Mori-to-Sui-en in Bizen-yaki.
00:07Is this you, Mori-san?
00:10Yes, I used to make this when I was young.
00:14I made it to practice, but I made it a little bigger.
00:19It's big.
00:21Thank you for coming.
00:24You're welcome.
00:27Mori Taiga is a Bizen-yaki artist.
00:33His gallery is always thinking of new works.
00:40He has a lot of unusual works.
00:47What are the characteristics of your works?
00:51My works are mostly art-themed.
01:00Recently, I made a cartoon-like expression
01:09that makes my heart beat.
01:13It's cartoon-like.
01:15Yes.
01:17Recently, he made a work that expresses warmth with Bizen-yaki,
01:22and it's popular overseas.
01:25By the way, this is a work called Igaigadon.
01:31Yes, it does look like Igaigadon.
01:37Do you differentiate between objects and things you can use?
01:43When I make something like this,
01:46I try to make something that can be used in the same way.
01:51I think it's a good influence.
01:55I see.
01:57If you like, let's make a gion that you came up with.
02:04I'll make it.
02:06I'll help you.
02:08Please help me.
02:10It'll be fun if you can make something like this.
02:13Yes.
02:14I decided to make a gion.
02:18First, I decided on the gion.
02:21Uhyo.
02:22Uhyo.
02:23Yes.
02:24I wrote it.
02:25Uhyo.
02:27It's time to make it.
02:29What is the image I have of Uhyo?
02:33I thought of Uhyo.
02:36Uhyo?
02:37Yes.
02:38Uhyo is a form that opposes gravity.
02:45I'll make it the other way around.
02:48I see.
02:49I'll flip it over later.
02:54I'll touch it and play with it.
02:58There are various expressions.
03:01That's good.
03:02It looks like Uhyo.
03:03It's Uhyo.
03:07I don't know what I'm making.
03:11It looks like you're playing.
03:13That's how I feel.
03:16Is that so?
03:17That's right.
03:18It's cool.
03:21It's cool.
03:23It's cool.
03:24I'll make it cool.
03:26Why did you start modeling?
03:28I'm tired.
03:30It's a great question.
03:32I didn't want to be a model.
03:36I see.
03:37I was tall.
03:39I didn't like being tall.
03:43My sister told me that I could be a model.
03:50I thought I'd be interested if I had a job that would make me look taller.
03:58I took an audition for a magazine.
04:01That's how it started.
04:03I passed.
04:05It's the same as Mori.
04:07It's getting more and more interesting as I do it.
04:10At first, I didn't think so.
04:12I didn't think it was that special.
04:17It's like a part-time job.
04:20That's right.
04:21I'm glad.
04:22If you're young, you'll be happy to get paid.
04:25That's right.
04:26I've never done it.
04:28I'm glad it's similar.
04:31That's how I did it.
04:36It's like I went abroad.
04:40I thought it would be interesting.
04:44I started with a light heart.
04:46I thought I'd quit if I didn't like it.
04:49Really?
04:50I didn't have a strong desire.
04:54Mori was a Visenya artist.
04:56He inherited his grandfather's kiln.
04:59Since he was a child, he made Visenya kilns for fun.
05:04I wasn't asked to make anything.
05:07I just did it because it was fun.
05:10I liked Dragon Ball at the time.
05:13So I made Shenron.
05:16You're the generation of Donpisha.
05:18Yes.
05:19I made it myself because I had clay.
05:22They baked it for me.
05:24It was a party.
05:27It's an interesting environment.
05:30He's going to add feather-like parts to the base.
05:36I'm going to put it on.
05:38Like this.
05:39Please do.
05:41I'm a beginner, so I asked Mori to do it.
05:50I've never done pottery like this.
05:54I've never taught anyone.
05:57I do it myself, but I do it like this.
06:00So I'm the first student.
06:03Yes, like this.
06:06It's getting interesting.
06:10What kind of work will it be?
06:13I didn't know at the time.
06:19Vizen City, Okayama Prefecture.
06:22I'm going to talk about the depth of Vizen pottery.
06:26I'm going to talk about the future of Vizen pottery.
06:31I'm going to talk about the future of Vizen pottery.
06:35The flowers last a long time.
06:38The water doesn't rot.
06:40That's true.
06:41That's a big change.
06:43Vizen City, Okayama Prefecture
06:53Vizen City, Okayama Prefecture
06:58I asked him if it's true that if you drink sake with Vizen pottery, it tastes better.
07:06I'm often asked this question.
07:08I'm often asked this question.
07:10Why?
07:12It's because the bubbles become finer.
07:15If you add beer, the bubbles become finer.
07:21You can drink it with creamy bubbles.
07:24That's because...
07:26I don't use sulfuric acid.
07:30Sulfuric acid is like glass.
07:34Is it because there are fine holes on the surface?
07:38It's a little rough.
07:41It's rough, so it makes fine bubbles.
07:47Do you drink beer with Vizen pottery?
07:50I drink it with glass.
07:52What?
07:55I drink it with Vizen pottery.
07:59You say that beer and cooking are delicious.
08:04Yes, I think cooking looks delicious.
08:07I can see that.
08:09Japanese cuisine uses various kinds of vessels.
08:12Vizen pottery has both good and bad things.
08:16The difference in the way the vessels are made is noticeable.
08:20For example, the water doesn't rot.
08:22That's right.
08:23That's a great advantage.
08:25As a pottery.
08:26It's completely different from glass.
08:29Glass has a slimy texture.
08:32Vizen doesn't have that at all.
08:35Why?
08:37The water doesn't leak.
08:43There are many small bubbles on the surface.
08:47That's why the water is always breathing.
08:52In the Middle Ages, large-scale pottery was a big hit.
09:03In the Middle Ages, there were no refrigerators.
09:08So people stored water and preserved grain in a fresh state.
09:15It was very suitable for that.
09:21That's why it's sold all over Japan.
09:25I see.
09:26Vizen pottery.
09:27It's very close to here.
09:30It's about 500 years old.
09:32It's about 50 meters long.
09:35It's about 5 meters wide.
09:38It was baked for a month.
09:41I see.
09:42I thought the work would get bigger.
09:44That's right.
09:45I think they put a lot of large-scale potteries in it.
09:48The potteries had to be big.
09:51At that time...
09:52Now we do it by ourselves.
09:55It's a village community pottery.
09:58Even though it's called Vizen pottery,
10:00the place where the pot is placed determines the quality of the work.
10:04Did all the potters gather together and bake the work together?
10:11Yes, in the old days.
10:13All the potters gathered in one place.
10:17That's why there's a sign.
10:19Oh, to take the pot?
10:20Yes.
10:21If you don't write the sign on the pot,
10:24you might get into a fight.
10:26In the first place, how did they get the place?
10:29I don't know.
10:30I don't know how they got the place.
10:32I thought it was a random thing.
10:34That's right.
10:35It's a life-threatening situation.
10:37It took a month to get the place.
10:39It's a different story whether you can get a good place or not.
10:42It was a big fight.
10:43I think the sales will change a lot.
10:46It's like, this is definitely a good place.
10:48That's right.
10:49And it's going to solidify.
10:50I think there was a drama.
10:52It's just my imagination.
10:54Maybe it's because they were all potters.
10:58Maybe they were conscious of being potters.
11:00I think they were more conscious of the house.
11:03In the old days.
11:06Koichiro Isezaki, a potter from Bizen.
11:14His father is Jun, a potter from Ningen Kokoho.
11:18But he didn't aim to be a potter from Bizen
11:21when he was young.
11:25There's a potter named Jeff Shapiro
11:27who studies in New York, USA.
11:32I was attracted to his work.
11:36And I wanted to learn from him.
11:42I was his apprentice for two years in the US.
11:48When do you come up with ideas for your works?
11:56In my case,
11:58when I look at the mountains,
12:01when I watch a movie,
12:03when I look at other people's works.
12:05I think it's the same here.
12:08I think I'm collecting small pieces that I like.
12:16After some time,
12:19some pieces come together.
12:21For example,
12:23I recently made a series of pieces that collapsed.
12:30I have a cat right now.
12:35I made about 10 pieces.
12:38When I came to the studio the next morning,
12:41all the pieces collapsed.
12:43If you look closely, there's a ball of meat.
12:46Really?
12:48The collapsed shape is interesting.
12:53I was making the shape of a stick,
12:56but I thought there was something about the collapsed form.
13:02That was one of the reasons.
13:04That's interesting.
13:06I don't know what the reason was.
13:09I think it's important to have an antenna.
13:16Mr. Hishida, when do you come up with ideas?
13:19I think the reason I come up with ideas is
13:22because I remember how beautiful I am in my daily life.
13:26But more than that,
13:28I ask myself what I like,
13:30what I want to do,
13:32and what this is.
13:34These days, I feel that my questions
13:38are becoming more concrete.
13:43Mr. Hishida has been asking the local Tsuchihashi mining company
13:48to mine Tsuchihashi ore, which is the raw material of the time.
13:53He is making a new type of white clay.
13:59In fact, other mining companies use this clay to make their own machines,
14:04so it's not called Vizen-yaki.
14:09When did you come up with the best piece of work?
14:13When?
14:15I try to make it, and I think it's good for me,
14:20but I don't know how to do it.
14:22I can't figure it out on my own.
14:25I make it on my own,
14:27so when I show it to my wife,
14:29she says it's good.
14:31I think it's good.
14:33It's the closest to you, right?
14:35Yes, it's good.
14:36Do you sell it at that time?
14:38Yes, I do.
14:40I think I can sell it.
14:42Because I live with it.
14:45What do you think, Mr. Hishida?
14:47What I was impressed with
14:51may be an unexpected accident,
14:54or something that went well in the experiment,
14:58or something that impressed me more than the visual.
15:06Do you sell such things?
15:08I don't show such things.
15:13Oh, you don't show it anymore.
15:15That's right.
15:17I showed it, and I was told I wanted it.
15:22I don't want to say I don't sell it,
15:27but I don't want to sell it at three times the price.
15:35It's difficult.
15:37If it's that much,
15:39I'll keep it as an impression from the beginning.
15:43I put it in a place that only I can see.
15:46It's something important to you.
15:49That's right.
15:51I may have taken it.
15:54Speaking of which,
15:56I may have taken it as a key point.
15:59But it doesn't sell, does it?
16:01That's right.
16:03It's a different story whether it's good for other people.
16:08There are times when I look back on it,
16:11and there are some things that make me think,
16:16and there are some things that make me think,
16:20and there are some things that make me think,
16:27My work on the Gion,
16:29which embodies the Uhyo-o,
16:31is now in the process of being processed.
16:39I want to put this in layers.
16:44How should I cut it?
16:46Like this?
16:48It's cute.
16:50I wonder how this will turn out.
16:54How will it be baked?
16:58Do you always make it like this?
17:00Yes.
17:02It looks fun.
17:04It's like a child.
17:06That's right.
17:08What kind of thing do you want?
17:10I'll go with soboro.
17:12I'll go with soboro.
17:14I'll put soboro in it.
17:16I think it's cute to have soboro in a hidden place.
17:19That's true.
17:21I'm glad to hear that.
17:23I'm so happy.
17:25I'm so happy.
17:29I'm so happy to hear that.
17:33I'm so happy.
17:35Do you have to do that at the end?
17:39That's something only I can decide.
17:44I understand.
17:47I think it's good.
17:49It's very interesting.
17:51And it's finally done.
17:55It's done.
17:59I'll take a picture of this.
18:01I had a lot of fun.
18:03I'm glad to hear that.
18:05It's been a long time since I've been able to do it freely.
18:10I'm glad to hear that.
18:13It will be baked in November.
18:17We will introduce the finished product later in the program, so please look forward to it.
18:25I like your tie.
18:29I thought it was new.
18:33Did you make the speakers?
18:35Did you make the speakers?
18:37Yes, I did.
18:39As an artist, I would like to ask you about the difference between making a work and making a product.
18:50I don't feel like this is a work and this is a product.
18:57That's why I don't say that everything is a work.
19:05I don't care if it's a work or a product.
19:14I'm doing it because I think it's a work.
19:18I think it's a product if I order it and make it.
19:26I think it's a work if I make it because I think it's interesting for me.
19:33But I'm making it because I want to express my world view.
19:39What about you, Nishida-san?
19:41There is a market for products.
19:49There are people who use it.
19:52I'm making it with the image that there are people who buy it because it's easy to use and it's designed.
20:05I think it's different to make what you want to make, what you like, and what you feel now.
20:14I've been able to cut it up.
20:17In Kanazawa, the City Festival 2024 will be held on November 8th.
20:23Tominaga Ai will participate in the event.
20:27For more information and how to participate, please visit the program homepage.