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00:01Tonight's Hatsumimigaku 2-hour special is...
00:05Wow!
00:07Hatsumimigaku is amazing!
00:09The figure skater Shoma Uno's bare face...
00:14The sound of the morning bell...
00:17Shoma Uno's precious childhood memories...
00:22And...
00:23Shoma Uno's little brother...
00:25He makes good use of me.
00:28Shoma Uno and his little brother...
00:32And...
00:34I don't think I've ever done anything with confidence.
00:37I know. It's the first time I've ever had confidence.
00:40The strongest marketer who talks about useful things in life...
00:44Morioh Katsuyoshi's passion for high school students...
00:49I want a lot of students to see this video.
00:53It's a video that shows a specific solution.
00:56Now, it's time for 2-hour stories that Japanese people should hear.
01:03First, interviewer Osamu Hayashi.
01:09He's been to the top of the world many times.
01:11This year, he announced his retirement.
01:15He started his second life.
01:19That charisma!
01:27Shoma Uno, a professional figure skater, 26 years old.
01:39He won a silver medal at the 2018 Pyeongchang Olympics.
01:48And he won a bronze medal at the 2022 Beijing Olympics.
01:53He won a bronze medal at the Olympic Games.
01:56In addition, he won the world championship for the first time in Japan.
02:03Shoma Uno, a top figure skater who has accomplished many great things.
02:09Yuzuru Hanyu, who has been chasing his back since childhood.
02:16Mao Asada, who brought him into the world of figure skating.
02:21There were two benefactors.
02:28Shoma Uno and Osamu Hayashi are from Nagoya.
02:34In fact, they have had an unexpected relationship since a long time ago.
02:38Do you remember?
02:40A long time ago, a friend of mine joined us.
02:44There was a very promising figure skater.
02:47He asked me if I could get his autograph.
02:50And I gave it to him.
02:55I remember.
02:57I've been watching you on TV since I was a kid.
03:02I thought it was now.
03:06My mother's friend.
03:08That's probably my classmate.
03:12I've been decorating it at home in Nagoya.
03:14He sent me a picture of Uno.
03:17I was really happy at that time.
03:20Do you still live in Nagoya?
03:22I live in Nagoya.
03:24I also live in Nagoya.
03:28You said you like sweets.
03:30I like it very much.
03:31There is a bakery called Tailor Tail.
03:34I think I've eaten it before.
03:38I know.
03:41In May of this year, he announced on his SNS that he had been a skater for 21 years.
03:50The people around me supported me so that I could do what I wanted to do.
03:56I think I was happy.
04:00In fact, he retired at the age of 26.
04:04He said he was influenced by someone he admired.
04:09I thought you could still do it.
04:13Did you think you could do it?
04:17Yes.
04:18I think I was more enthusiastic than I was two years ago.
04:29I want to be a skater who can compete with people like Yuzuru Hanyu and Chie.
04:36I want to be a skater who can compete with people like Yuzuru Hanyu and Chie.
04:41That's my biggest motivation.
04:43Those two people passed away two years ago.
04:48I was a little lonely, but I didn't have a choice but to quit.
04:54He decided to retire because of his rivals.
05:01What kind of person is Yuzuru Hanyu to you?
05:06I always call him Yuzu.
05:10He is the ideal athlete that everyone imagines.
05:18I've been chasing after Yuzu's back all the time.
05:23I've been sending him skateboarding all my life.
05:25That's how I got here.
05:28As his rivals left the competition one by one,
05:33the fever in Shoma Uno gradually went down.
05:39What I can't forget about his career is
05:43when he was 20 years old, he competed with Yuzuru Hanyu, whom he admired.
05:56The Pyeongchang Olympics.
05:59In this competition, Shoma Uno won a silver medal for the first time in the Olympics.
06:07And Yuzuru Hanyu...
06:13Yuzuru Hanyu
06:16Yuzuru Hanyu
06:19Yuzuru Hanyu
06:22Yuzuru Hanyu
06:25Yuzuru Hanyu
06:28He won a gold medal in the Sochi Olympics.
06:32He won the silver medal.
06:35Yuzuru Hanyu is a rival and admirer of Shoma Uno.
06:42He said he was inspired by his skating style.
06:48I think Hanyu is a very stoic person.
06:53He's so stoic that I think it's impossible for me.
07:00So Hanyu was a role model for Shoma Uno.
07:04There was a time when I thought I had to be like Yuzu.
07:11I challenged myself to a match with that in mind.
07:15Have you ever imitated him?
07:17Yes, I have.
07:18I was careful about my diet.
07:21Since the match was overseas, I prepared for it as soon as possible.
07:25I practiced and trained hard and challenged myself to a match.
07:31But my expectations were too high.
07:37I just made a little mistake and I was too depressed.
07:42You just had to finish it perfectly.
07:44I didn't have a good limit.
07:46Yuzuru Hanyu records his points of reflection in his notebook in addition to his facial expressions.
07:53He shows his stoic behavior, such as managing his diet thoroughly.
08:01On the other hand, Shoma Uno is...
08:08This image.
08:10This is interesting.
08:12I like this kind of image.
08:16He spends most of his time playing his favorite game.
08:20He goes to bed at 3 a.m.
08:24It's the opposite of being stoic.
08:28It's difficult for me to put pressure on myself and overcome it.
08:35So, I play my favorite game, eat my favorite food, and sleep my favorite way.
08:42I try to do my best in skating.
08:45Even if you imitate someone's style, it doesn't always work.
08:52You said you eat your favorite food.
08:54I heard that you eat a lot.
08:57I eat what I like.
09:01You always eat meat.
09:05I hate vegetables.
09:08How much do you eat vegetables?
09:11I don't eat vegetables at all.
09:13But some people say that you have to eat vegetables.
09:18I used to eat vegetables when I was a kid.
09:21I didn't eat vegetables until I got good grades.
09:24But when I got good grades, people didn't say anything to me.
09:28That's right.
09:30It's important to get good grades.
09:34It's hard to tell a world-famous gold medalist to eat vegetables.
09:38I learned that there is such a way.
09:41It says here that you eat eel in a unique way.
09:46I don't like eel very much, but I like rice with sauce.
09:51I like rice with sauce very much.
09:54I think what people want to eat is the nutrition they want.
10:02It's a fat entertainer's way of thinking.
10:05It's almost the same as my mind.
10:08Let's eat together.
10:10Since he was 18 years old, he has inherited a style that he believes in no matter what people say.
10:19As a result, he won two Olympic medals in a row.
10:24He won two world championships in a row.
10:30Is there anyone you admire?
10:35I admire SHO SAKURAI of ARASHI.
10:39I was worried about the group before my debut.
10:45When I graduated from university, he gave me a watch.
10:50I still wear it today.
10:52Show me.
10:54It's amazing.
10:56I can feel the taste of the belt I'm wearing.
11:01I wear it carefully.
11:04Who did you talk to about your retirement?
11:07Basically, it's up to me to decide.
11:13I talked to MAO ASADA about how to face skating in the future.
11:20Of course, I also talked to many other people.
11:24What kind of response did you get from MAO?
11:28I was told that I should choose the path I want to take.
11:32I was also told that figure skating can do many things after retirement.
11:39I was able to say that to MAO ASADA, who has been active under a lot of pressure.
11:48I felt relieved.
11:52In fact, MAO ASADA was the reason UNO started figure skating.
11:59I went to the Osu Skate Rink to play.
12:04While I was going to the Osu Skate Rink, MAO ASADA was practicing figure skating.
12:12He played with me a lot during the break.
12:17Such a great benefactor appeared this time for the sake of UNO SHOMA.
12:26It's been a while.
12:28How are you?
12:30It's amazing.
12:33They met when MAO ASADA was in the 6th grade and UNO SHOMA was 5 years old.
12:40What was their first impression of each other?
12:44I thought he was cute.
12:46Before I started figure skating, I was already a professional skater.
12:54At that time, I was skating with a general customer.
12:58I saw SHOMA skating happily even if he fell.
13:05At that time, SHOMA was in kindergarten.
13:08He was so small that his head didn't come out of the fence.
13:12His voice was so loud.
13:16He said, MAO-CHAN, MAO-CHAN.
13:19Anyway, he was cute.
13:22At that time, UNO, who was 5 years old, was not only interested in figure skating, but also ice hockey and speed skating.
13:29He was wondering which way to go.
13:33At that time,
13:35I told him to come to figure skating.
13:40He was invited by MAO ASADA.
13:45His life as a figure skater began.
13:49What was your impression of SHOMA when you were a kid?
13:54He was always crying.
13:57He cried when he couldn't do it.
14:01He cried when he fell.
14:03He cried when his mother scolded him.
14:06I remember that he was a crybaby.
14:09I always wanted SHOMA to be a figure skater who could be active in the world while thinking that he was invited.
14:2715 years later, the boy was a crybaby as MAO ASADA wished.
14:39He won two medals in a row at the Olympics.
14:43He became the world's top figure skater.
14:47First, SHO-SAM talked about the backstage of the Olympics.
14:54In this corner, according to the image of the guest,
14:58Mr. Masaru Akai of Kajin chose flowers and designed them.
15:02This time, the flowers are in the shape of a star called a blue star.
15:07The flower language is the heart that believes in each other.
15:09When he retired, he was praised by people around him.
15:12He has a heart that believes in people around him and has a present.
15:16He put his life into this flower.
15:20It's a very rare flower.
15:22There are so many rare flowers.
15:2599% of the blue stars in Japan are like this.
15:31There are so many of them.
15:34In 2018, you and Hanyu finished in the 1st and 2nd place.
15:40What do you think about the silver medal result?
15:45I always think about it before the game.
15:49When everyone shows their ability, I imagine which place I will be in.
15:57I knew I wouldn't be in the 1st place.
16:01When everyone did their best,
16:04Figure skating is not about fighting directly with others.
16:08I wanted to be the one who could win when everyone did their best.
16:12That was my goal since I was a kid.
16:18When everyone did their best, he couldn't be in the 1st place.
16:25However, the situation was different at the Pyeongchang Olympics.
16:32The Japanese representative was Keiji Tanaka, Hanyu's son.
16:37In addition, members such as Nathan Chen and Fernandes were aiming for the medal.
16:46On the first day, Shoma Uno decided many difficult techniques in the short program and placed him in the 3rd place.
16:55On the second day, he was in the last place in the pre-program.
17:00What did Shoma Uno think at that time?
17:04I was in the last place because I saw everyone's performance.
17:08I knew I could win if I gave my best score.
17:17If he could finish his performance without mistakes by looking at the scores of the 1st and 2nd place,
17:23he could get the gold medal beyond Hanyu Yuzuru, who he admired.
17:28That's what Uno thought.
17:31But his final act...
17:46He fell down in the first 4-turn loop.
17:51I still remember that.
17:53He fell down in the first 4-turn loop.
17:56I want to know how he felt at that time.
17:58Do you remember how you felt when you fell down?
18:01Yes, I do.
18:02I was thinking if I could win if I succeeded in everything.
18:07I was smiling as I jumped for the first time.
18:11I fell down so hard that I couldn't get up.
18:15It was so funny.
18:18I realized that the world is not so easy.
18:22That's what he thought?
18:24He was calm.
18:26He was optimistic.
18:27He fell down while jumping.
18:29Unfortunately, he couldn't get the gold medal at the Pyeongchang Olympics.
18:35In fact, Shoma Uno has been suffering from this jump all the time in his skating life.
18:43Mao Asada, who has been watching him since he was a child, noticed it.
18:49I thought he was very good at expressing and performing since he was a child.
18:59But he struggled a lot to jump.
19:05In my memory, there was a time when I couldn't jump well.
19:12But I didn't give up even though I fell down a lot.
19:19I stayed in the rink longer than anyone else.
19:25He is the devil of practice.
19:30He never gives up.
19:32That's why he was able to jump triple axel and quadruple axel.
19:41Shoma Uno had a time when he couldn't jump well.
19:46When I was a child, I had a hard time jumping.
19:52It took me four or five years to jump one jump.
19:59It took you five years to jump double axel?
20:02It took me a long time to jump double axel and triple axel.
20:09I had a hard time.
20:11Looking back now, I think I continued to jump every day without giving up.
20:20Triple axel, also known as Asada Mao,
20:25is a difficult jump where you jump from a forward position with one foot,
20:31turn it three times, and land with the other foot.
20:41In order to make this a success,
20:43Uno continued to practice jumping more than 100 times in two hours during his time in the rink.
20:51This is what I struggled with when I was skating.
20:56I thought I would never be able to jump this far.
21:00I think there are some kids who can't jump triple axel now.
21:06The coaches told me that I couldn't jump triple axel for five years.
21:15I practiced every day, but I couldn't jump it.
21:19It was very difficult at that time.
21:21How did you learn to jump triple axel when you couldn't jump it?
21:28I gave up once.
21:32Wow!
21:34I think he's a bit weak compared to his younger brother, Mao.
21:40Shoma has the impression that he's a cheerful and honest person.
21:45But he's not like that.
21:48You just have to speak what you believe in.
21:52How did you learn to jump triple axel when you couldn't jump it?
21:58I gave up once.
22:01Wow!
22:02I gave up on jumping triple axel.
22:05I stopped practicing triple axel.
22:08After half a year, I thought I'd give it a try.
22:12Then I landed.
22:15I still think that effort is important.
22:20But I thought it would be over if I was satisfied with my effort.
22:28I gave up once.
22:31I thought it would be over if I was satisfied with my effort.
22:37I gave up once.
22:40I gave up once.
22:42I think that's how I got over the wall I had built on my own.
22:47A lot of effort has become a wall.
22:52I realized that it's not just about effort.
22:57I think that's how I became a professional skater.
23:03Once he was away from his goal and his approach to jumping was reset,
23:09Shoma Uno completed triple axel in five years.
23:15Wow!
23:16It's important to make an effort in the right direction.
23:21As a result of learning this, he overcame the jump he was not good at.
23:27In 2016, he did a quadruple flip jump for the first time at the official competition.
23:33As a male figure skater, he became a Guinness World Record holder.
23:41Does he have a Guinness World Record?
23:43Uno has a lot of gaps in his life.
23:47In his daily life, he plays video games.
23:50He has a lot of gaps in his life.
23:52But when he was away from his goal, he did this.
23:57I thought it was very sexy and sexy.
24:01The movement of his hands is...
24:04He looks like Nagano.
24:07Wait a minute.
24:10No, no.
24:12If you say it's sexy, it's not sexy.
24:15It can't be helped.
24:17Abe-chan, thank you.
24:19Abe-chan's...
24:20Was it from here?
24:22Full power Nagano!
24:25Full power Nagano!
24:28Great!
24:29Next, Shoma Aya is approaching Shoma Uno's unexpected private life.
24:36Shoma was weak when he was a child.
24:43So he started sports at the age of five to train his body.
24:49It was ice skating.
24:53From there, he was invited by King Asada.
24:56His figure skating life began.
24:59It's cute.
25:01Since you were a child, did you go home and skate?
25:08That's right.
25:09How many days a week did you practice?
25:11Seven days a week.
25:13No days off?
25:14No days off.
25:16That's how I lived.
25:18I was afraid of taking a break.
25:21I was worried that I wouldn't be able to practice the next day if I didn't skate.
25:30So I didn't take a break at all.
25:34In addition to practice on Saturdays and Sundays,
25:37he also left school on weekdays and practiced from 12 o'clock.
25:41These are the days when he devoted himself to skating.
25:44For this reason, there was a slight obstacle.
25:48You've been so into skating.
25:52Do you feel like you're missing out on anything other than skating?
25:58I've only been skating.
26:02I've lived without thinking about anything other than skating.
26:07I really don't know the world.
26:10Because he has devoted almost all of his time to skating,
26:16he feels like he doesn't have enough social experience.
26:22There are many legends there.
26:27I asked Ryuji Hino, a senior who practiced the legend with him from junior high school to college.
26:38Uno Shoma Legend 1
26:43It was when he was in high school.
26:46It was the first time the two of them went home together after practice.
26:52When he arrived at the station to get on the train,
26:57How do you get on the train?
27:02he couldn't get on the train.
27:07I really didn't know anything.
27:10I've never been on a train before.
27:14If you get on one, it's okay?
27:16At first, it was difficult.
27:19It was shocking to see trains going to different destinations in the same place.
27:24For me, it was amazing.
27:26Everyone is doing amazing things.
27:29You're more amazing.
27:31Uno Shoma Legend 2
27:35It was when Shoma came to the skating rink to practice.
27:39Many seniors were practicing there.
27:42Shoma, who was a junior high school student at the time, said,
27:45I'm tired.
27:47He couldn't say that at all.
27:50How do you feel about this?
27:52I'm embarrassed.
27:55It's the most unfortunate thing I've ever thought of.
28:01I only have seniors.
28:04I'm sorry I talked so much.
28:10Have you ever been told how to speak?
28:15No, I haven't.
28:17When my juniors, who are the same age as me, gathered,
28:21I was told that I should be careful because I can't use honorifics.
28:28That's when I started using honorifics.
28:30After that, you stopped using honorifics?
28:32Yes.
28:33What about now?
28:35I still use bad honorifics.
28:39Actually, there was another story.
28:42When a senior who couldn't practice well at the training camp was depressed and wanted to quit skating,
28:47Shoma said,
28:49Why don't you just quit?
28:52That's too much.
28:53He's doing something crazy.
28:56It's not a proper statement.
28:59I'm used to being myself now.
29:04I'm sorry to bother so many people.
29:08It's just a house.
29:09It's good to be mischievous.
29:11The family who saw Shoma Uno for the first time in their life, who didn't have enough social experience,
29:18joined us remotely.
29:21Actually, I'm connected to someone who knows Shoma Uno very well.
29:27Let's meet him.
29:29Hello.
29:31Nice to meet you.
29:33Nice to meet you, too.
29:36Shoma Uno's younger brother, Itsuki.
29:41His younger brother, who is 4 years younger than him, is so close to him that they still live together.
29:50What I think Shoma doesn't know is that there are a lot of self-reggae in supermarkets.
29:58I don't think Shoma can do all of that.
30:02I don't think he can do self-reggae.
30:05What do you think of his brother's prediction?
30:08I did it while asking the staff.
30:11It's not self-reggae.
30:12Have you ever done it all by yourself?
30:14No, I haven't.
30:16Your brother's prediction is right.
30:19Well, I think he's a little weak in terms of episodes.
30:25He's a big brother.
30:28He's a big brother.
30:29You can do it.
30:30He's a big brother.
30:32I'll tell you why.
30:36When I go on a trip, I always bring a suitcase with me.
30:43I've seen him forget all his clothes and suitcases.
30:48He didn't bring anything.
30:50What did you bring?
30:53I saw you carrying a suitcase on the news.
30:58Did you leave it there?
31:00Yes, I left it there and tried to leave without bringing anything.
31:04I was stopped.
31:06Do you remember that?
31:07It's not the first time.
31:09It's not the first time?
31:10I don't know why it happened to me.
31:15It's a story that has nothing to do with this.
31:18I can't forgive my brother for going out into the world as a strong man.
31:25He's a big brother.
31:26He's not strong at all.
31:29I'm getting a headache just by looking at my brother's face.
31:34What do you think, Itsuki?
31:39I think they're both strong and honest people.
31:48I don't think so.
31:52I don't think he's the Shoma I know.
31:56Some people don't like Shoma's brother.
32:04But I really don't think so.
32:06I don't care about anything.
32:08That's why when I'm really in trouble, I think I'll make good use of myself.
32:16It's funny.
32:18This May, he closed the curtain on his activities as an active athlete.
32:23From the days when he was chased to practice jumping, he is now...
32:29One Piece.
32:33He played the main character, Luffy, in One Piece on Ice, which expresses the world view of the anime One Piece.
32:40It's the best.
32:42He changed the main battlefield into an ice rink and is living his second skating life.
32:51Is he going to be a commentator?
32:54Osamu Hayashi is approaching Shoma Uno's second career.
32:58What are you doing?
33:00I think there are many ways to go after your second career.
33:04One of them is to be a commentator.
33:07What do you think about that?
33:09I'd like to give it a try.
33:11I see.
33:13Shizuka Akawa is very good at it.
33:16It's very easy to understand.
33:18I'd like to give it a try.
33:21But I don't want to do it beautifully.
33:23I want to talk as much as I want.
33:25If I do it as much as I want, I won't be able to do it.
33:29I'd like to give it a try.
33:30I don't know how to jump unless I'm told how to do it.
33:33That's right.
33:34I don't know the difference between Salco, Lutz, and Flip.
33:38I don't know how to do Triple Salco.
33:43To be honest, there are times when we don't know how to do it either.
33:46What?
33:47Sometimes it's hard to tell how many rotations I do.
33:52I don't know how to do it either.
33:55I've never heard of it.
33:56It's interesting.
33:58The first person I knew about this figure was Emi Watanabe.
34:03And Midori Ito.
34:05They were in Nagoya.
34:06There was a time when it was amazing if you could do Triple Salco.
34:10How many times can you do Triple Salco?
34:13That's right.
34:14Human abilities haven't changed that much.
34:17That's right.
34:18The first time I was on the stage,
34:22there was one type of quadruple Salco and it was very popular.
34:26That's right.
34:27It changed every year.
34:32I heard rumors that this person was able to jump.
34:38I was so surprised that everyone started to jump.
34:43But human bodies don't change that much.
34:46That's right.
34:47The influence of figure skating and figure skating is so intense.
34:50That's right.
34:51I can't keep doing this kind of influence.
34:55That's right.
34:56It's interesting.
34:58Unodaga was chosen as the main character of One Piece on Ice for two years in a row.
35:05It is said that playing the world view of anime has a different difficulty from figure skating.
35:12Figure skating is about showing your own goodness.
35:16In figure skating, you don't play yourself, you play something else.
35:20I don't usually talk that much.
35:24I'm not a cheerful person.
35:26If I'm asked to talk, I'll answer.
35:30I played the role of Luffy in One Piece on Ice.
35:34The character is 180 degrees different.
35:38It's different from your own character.
35:40At first, I was worried that I wouldn't be able to play the character.
35:47But in order to make the ice show better,
35:51even if I'm not good at it,
35:54I was careful as a captain to move where I had to move.
36:02Even in the same figure skating,
36:04in the competition figure skating,
36:06it was a lonely battle for himself.
36:11Now, he is working as a co-star and a staff member.
36:16He is facing the difficulties of entertainment that makes the audience enjoy.
36:24But here, there is a leak from Asada Mao.
36:28Recently, he found out that Uno Shoma is a little worried.
36:38And Morio Katsuyoshi, the strongest marketer,
36:41is giving a heated lesson to both high school students and parents.
36:45What do you want me to watch?
36:51Asada Mao saw Uno Shoma in the ice show.
36:56What is Uno Shoma's moment of worry?
37:00When we practice group number,
37:03he always seems sleepy.
37:06He goes to a different world alone.
37:09Sometimes when I see Shoma,
37:12I feel like he is listening to me.
37:16I was wondering if he was okay.
37:19I'm a little worried about that.
37:23He is doing it at his own pace.
37:25Yes, he is doing it at his own pace.
37:27He seems to sleep and yawn.
37:31But he is doing what he has to do.
37:34I really support him.
37:37Do you have anything you want to do with Uno Shoma in private?
37:42Shoma likes meat,
37:45so I want to take him to a delicious meat restaurant.
37:49Do you have a recommended restaurant?
37:51Do you have a restaurant you want to recommend?
37:53Yes, I do.
37:55Where is it?
37:57There is a secret place.
38:02Are you two close?
38:04Shoma doesn't talk to me much.
38:07I don't know if he is shy.
38:10But when I talk to him, he talks to me.
38:15How was it?
38:18Most of what I said was right.
38:21You said you were worried about being alone in a different world.
38:25What do you think about that?
38:28I went to the same ice rink with him the other day.
38:33There were many foreign skaters.
38:36I don't understand English.
38:39But I can't be lazy.
38:43I stand in front of the ice rink.
38:46But I'm not listening to him.
38:50You didn't listen to him.
38:52You don't have the atmosphere of listening to him.
38:54Are you doing what you want to do now?
38:58Yes.
39:00I'm having more fun than before.
39:02I do what I want to do.
39:04I practice what I want to do.
39:06I have to do it.
39:08I enjoy practicing what I want to do.
39:15He has been working hard to reach the top of the world.
39:22And now he is happy to work hard in a new world.
39:29Shoma Uno's evolution never stops.
39:32To be continued.