What games "Tickle Leroy's Fancy" this week!? The Segment gets kidnapped by Deshaun Watson's lack of ability.
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00:00Uh, it'll be interesting to see because they compared it to, and they're kind of different
00:06in that.
00:07Um, Jane Daniels throws the ball better than Lamar did when he got into the league and
00:11he runs.
00:12Yep.
00:13So yeah.
00:14Coming up at one o'clock, Leroy, the Cleveland Browns visit the Philadelphia Eagles.
00:28The Eagles are nine and a half point favorites Leroy against your Cleveland Browns tickle
00:35your fancy.
00:36Absolutely.
00:37Wow.
00:38Not tickled.
00:39Wow.
00:40I will watch it for work purposes, but I like, I've been watching film for the last three
00:51weeks of guys, you know, showing plays where there's three guys open and Deshaun doesn't
01:02throw the ball and you can put it on the offense, you can put it on protection, you can put
01:10it on whatever, but there's a number of times where he just won't throw the ball.
01:16And I don't know what that is.
01:19I don't know whether it's, he's not looking in the right places.
01:22And then I started thinking when he had success in Houston, was he ever that guy that sat
01:29in a pocket and threw the ball or he just had studs at wire receiver could just chuck
01:32it up to, um, you see what I'm saying?
01:35He did have studs.
01:36He had the Andre Hopkins in his prime, but understand when you have those guys, it kind
01:43of takes the process of reading the defense out of your hands.
01:47Because like the plays are, you know, designed for those guys.
01:51Um, now it's a little bit different in that you're actually reading the defense and I'm
01:57starting to question, are we thinking that Deshaun Watson can play a style of football
02:05that he never really played?
02:08Because the fact that they show these plays and show these guys wide open and show you
02:16where he should be reading and his head's looking the other way.
02:21Does he really read defenses?
02:24And I know, like, I know this is kind of playing the result, but the reality of it is, is that
02:29very rarely are you going to see four or five plays in a game that they showed a tape and
02:37show guys are open to quarterback isn't either, not even looking in the right place.
02:44So I'm having questions and I'm the last person to get there.
02:49Believe me when I tell you.
02:51So no, I would have been rats off a ship a long time ago.
02:54I said I would have been rats off a ship.
02:57But I just, I just, you see here, you see the production that this guy's had 4.8 yards
03:06per throw.
03:08And that's, that's, that's being generous.
03:11Right.
03:12And, and, and like, but it's time to just call it for what it is.
03:18Like you have number and it's different people.
03:20It's a long time ago that he was good, dude.
03:23Like it's, but it's here, here, it could have been a long time ago, but the basic fundamentals
03:31of the position will always be the same.
03:35What will leave is your ability to get the ball there.
03:38Yeah.
03:39So he's never actually had to read a defense and select a target based on defensive rotation.
03:45The one thing we got to remember, remember the last year of Houston, the team, he didn't
03:49play.
03:50No.
03:51Well, it's not that the last year that he played in Houston, they sucked, but he threw
03:55for nearly 5,000 yards, but it was all garbage.
03:58Yeah.
03:59I mean, like he's, he was, he was fun as hell.
04:01I mean, it's an incredible statistical season, don't get me wrong, but it's just a long time
04:06ago since the guy has been good.
04:09And then you take a year off and then you do have a scandal, a horrific scandal, then
04:16you have injuries, then you have, you know, just every obstacle that has been thrown up.
04:22And then by the way, it doesn't seem like the easiest dude to work with because of all
04:27of this stuff.
04:28Now.
04:29Like, I don't know, man.
04:30I just think, I think, I think other factors can be, yes, he was tremendously talented,
04:33but I just think the windows pass now.
04:35I think the ship is the, the ship has passed the windows.
04:38And I would say, and, and, and I'm more along the lines of this.
04:44You say the ship has sailed.
04:46I say we have been waiting on the dock for the ship and it never pulled up, right?
04:53We didn't miss it.
04:54We didn't miss it.
04:55It just never came because maybe we were asking or we were expecting a quarterback that never
05:04existed.
05:05You, you understand what I'm saying?
05:07He was good again, but why has he ever, ever been the guy that we say, Ooh, he picked the
05:16defensive part or, Ooh, he did this.
05:19No, he had a lot of yards when they sucked or he had a lot of yards when they had two
05:23studs playing wide receiver to where it made it simple.
05:27Throw it to one.
05:28Now you're saying you think he's a product of the system.
05:29I think he was a product of the two guys that he had on the team.
05:34That were studs, right?
05:36Like look, there's, listen, there's no Tom Brady, Randy Moss situation.
05:43In most cases, it's Randy Moss elevating the quarterback.
05:47And when Randy Moss left that quarterback, that quarterback didn't play as well.
05:51His second receiver is Will Fuller, dude.
05:53Huh?
05:54The second receiver is Will Fuller.
05:55Okay.
05:56We're familiar with his work schema or lack thereof.
06:04Now Hopkins is amazing, right?
06:06But I'm just saying like, yeah, like you're talking about having one of the elite receivers
06:11and here, can I think of a time?
06:16Can you think of a time?
06:19And I'm going back as far as like Jerry Rice and those guys, or Troy Aikman with those
06:28guys where the quarterback made the receivers.
06:34It's usually the other way around.
06:36When the quarterback loses the stud receiver, his numbers decline.
06:41He definitely had a stud receiver, but I just think that, I just think it, I think we just
06:45miscount for like how much.
06:47I think we miscalculated here.
06:51I think we miscalculated and we assumed that he could play the kind of quarterback that
06:57everybody else is playing that is considered elite.
07:00Right.
07:01And, and I don't think we sat back and actually looked and paid attention to how he was accumulating
07:08those yards because it matters.
07:10So you bring a guy in and you can't come in.
07:15Yeah.
07:16He only had one bat.
07:17Like there was only one year.
07:18I feel like that the texts were really bad, but I'll give you a perfect example.
07:23Kirk Cousins keeps making money.
07:24You know why?
07:25Because he can sit in a pocket and pick a defensive part and that, yeah, but it's not
07:30like he was always on a trash team.
07:31Like they won the division multiple years with him at quarterback.
07:35Yeah.
07:36Okay.
07:37But it was the last year where like when he was rats on the ship, like they were four
07:39and 12 and he had 5,000 yards.
07:41That team sucked.
07:42Right.
07:43Okay.
07:44I got you.
07:45I got you, but I'm just saying like, I, I like, and I'm just trying to, I guess I'm
07:50trying to come to the realization of what it is because I have been a big supporter
07:58and I've been patient and I've been everything that nobody else has been.
08:04Just jump off, baby.
08:05I'm like cannonball with me.
08:07I don't even want to hear I, it's not a matter of jumping off, but it's a matter of at this
08:13point expectations, are we expecting him to be the type of quarterback that he's never
08:20been?
08:21So when I see all these, these, uh, plays and these videos of people showing me, right.
08:28And he's not looking in the right spot.
08:31It has nothing to do with his ability to play quarterback.
08:35You see what I'm saying?
08:37That's the part that I'm getting frustrated with.
08:41Can you, but I think the thing that is, is it, you don't, you don't think it's, it's
08:46possible to lose that, like to be more gun shy when you're banging.
08:50I don't think here.
08:52I don't think it's possible to lose being able to look in the right direction from study
09:00and film.
09:01If your arm has been spaghetti now, there's a difference if he's looking the right direction,
09:05but he's scared to make the throw.
09:08We don't even see that.
09:09Gotcha.
09:10He's got three guys open on the left side.
09:12He's looking right.
09:14So like, yeah, like, so that's, that's the, the, the part of the, the thing that is like,
09:22I'm going to probably be the last guy off the ship because I thought, well, kind of,
09:27here's the thing that's interesting about it kind of feels like you're wondering why
09:30you were ever on the ship.
09:32Like that's cause you're, it's, it's an interesting thing.
09:35It feels like what you're describing now is like, did we just overrate the guy instead
09:39of instead of maybe you, you, it's like what I'm hearing from you is you thinking maybe
09:46he was just overrated rather than he just fell off a cliff.
09:48No, I just think that maybe we misconstrued his success with ability.
09:58And if we had evaluated how, because what happens to him, like overrating him is a simpler
10:04explanation than what has happened.
10:07But also we not, I have not seen with anybody else.
10:11What happened to him personally, physically, mentally, right.
10:15We haven't seen an athlete deal with that in there.
10:17I don't know.
10:18I don't know.
10:19I don't know how I don't like, yeah.
10:22So I'm, I'm trying to see, I've given him the benefit of the doubt with all the other
10:27stuff.
10:28But right now what I'm talking about, his actual ability to, well, yeah, given the benefit
10:34of the doubt, given the benefit of the doubt or not, it's still a, it's still, he's still
10:38going through the scandal, whatever, like he went through, like, he's still dealing
10:41with like lawsuits that are coming up and all that type of stuff.
10:45Right.
10:46There's no way that doesn't mess with you professionally.
10:47There's no way.
10:48It's not possible.
10:49I know.
10:50You know, whether you want to feel sorry, a lot of people don't want to feel sorry for
10:52him.
10:53I'm not saying you have to feel sorry for him.
10:54I'm not saying you shouldn't.
10:55I'm, I'm, I'm telling you, there's no way that doesn't mess with his ability to play
10:58football.
10:59Right.
11:00No way.
11:01I would like to, especially when you're working your way up, like you're trying to impress
11:06and you're trying to find something that just might not be there anymore.
11:09I would like to think that as a professional, you can separate the two, no matter how bad
11:17it's going.
11:19But you just start adding more and more stuff.
11:21Yeah, for sure.
11:22So, but, but again, I'm only focusing on the football stuff and the football stuff.
11:30When I watch these plays and you see guys running open and he's not even looking over
11:36there.
11:37Right.
11:38Or he takes the ball and wants to scramble first.
11:41And he wants to do stuff like that when there's open guys.
11:44It's not play design.
11:46It's not guys getting open.
11:47It's him not making the right throws.
11:51That has nothing to do with all the stuff that we're talking about.
11:55That solely has to do with his ability to play quarterback, not make throws, just to
12:02play quarterback, your abilities, okay?
12:06If you can't make the throws that you're looking at.