CLEVELAND -- The Bengals finally got their win in Cleveland Sunday, thanks to complementary, gritty football for a second straight week. Charlie Jones set the stage early with a 100-yard touchdown return on the opening kick and Joe Burrow threw TD passes to Ja'Marr Chase and Tee Higgins as the Bengals prevailed 21-14 for their first win in Cleveland since 2017 while improving their record to 3-4 on the season. Mike Petraglia and Richard Skinner discuss on the latest episode of the JungleRoar Skinny Bengals Postgame Pod.
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00:00Hey everybody, this is Drags, Mike Petralia, joined as always by Richard Skinner, Skinny
00:05of Local 12, and this is the Jungle War Skinny Bengals postgame pod from Cleveland, Huntington
00:13Bank Field, the renamed Cleveland Browns Stadium. It was of course known for years as First Energy
00:19Stadium, but here at Huntington Bank Field, maybe it was the name change that finally got the Bengals
00:25a win here on the shores of Lake Erie. Who knows? They're not going to argue if that's what it took,
00:30Skinny. I was going to say, Mike, you're 1-0 in Huntington Bank Field. It snapped a long
00:35losing streak though in Cleveland, in this particular stadium, no matter what the name was,
00:39and I think that's the overriding theme for this is snapping that losing streak is big. It's the
00:44first time Joe Burrows won here. It's the first time Zach Taylor's won here. It gives them an
00:48AFC North win after they lost that earlier one to Baltimore, and yeah, these last two weeks have
00:54been ugly, but I also think they've been gritty, and I think there's something to be said about
00:58winning that way, because let's not forget when they were fun to watch and scoring 30 plus points
01:02for three weeks in a row, they won one game in that stretch. So yeah, you'd like them to get
01:07back to that, and I think there'll be times that they will. I think some of it again had to do with
01:10Cleveland's defense today, and certainly that Giants front last week, but I think there's
01:15something to be said about winning gritty because this is a league in which I think that's what
01:19separates teams. We've looked at Kansas City all year this year, right? I mean, they were undefeated
01:22going into today, and they're playing as we're doing this podcast at San Francisco. They haven't
01:27looked great at times, right? They haven't looked like the powerhouse Super Bowl champ, but you know
01:30what they've done? Every week they've played, they've won. So I think there's something to be said in
01:34this league of just sometimes just finding ways to win, and that's what the Bengals have done the
01:38last couple weeks. The tone without a question, Skinny, was set 12 seconds into the game when
01:45Charlie Jones takes the opening kick, takes advantage of a beautiful seam block by Drew Sample,
01:52cuts it up the middle, and then cuts over to the right sideline and makes it all the way down
01:56to the five-yard line, then toe taps and leaps at the pylon to complete the 100-yard
02:03gallop for a score. A critical, critical moment for the Bengals in this stadium to be able to play
02:11with the lead. Skinny, do you know the last time they had the lead in Cleveland? I heard this stat
02:17today. Was it? No, I don't think I did hear this. Was it 2020? 2019 was the last time the Bengals held
02:27a lead against the Cleveland Browns in Cleveland, and it was 3-0. It was back in 2019. They lost
02:33that game, I believe it was 26-18, but that's how rare it is for the Bengals to be actually playing
02:40with a lead in this building against this team, against this defense, and that was something that
02:46Joe Burrow and Zach Taylor both pointed to after the game. That kickoff was so important for so
02:52many reasons, and I just love the fact that after the game, Charlie Jones gave credit to Darren
02:59Simmons and Drew Sample for drawing the playoff and then executing it the way they did. Yeah,
03:04so the press box setup is Paul Daynor Jr. sat to my left today, and I was kind of
03:10catching up on getting a couple files set up, and he said, oh, this is an interesting kickoff
03:14return look, and I looked up and I said, oh, there's only one guy deep, and then I said,
03:18well, there's Drew Sample in front of him. I said, this will be interesting to see how
03:22this plays itself out, and lo and behold, it played itself out on the opening kickoff,
03:26and you described it perfectly. Really, it was Drew Sample. It wasn't a huge block. He didn't
03:30pancake a guy, but he's the guy that really sprung it into the big play, and then Charlie
03:34Jones did the rest, but that alignment, I think, was an interesting one to see. It was certainly
03:38a new one to see, and it worked to perfection the first time you trotted it out there.
03:43Well, I'll tell you what I loved about the block. Sample allowed Tony Brown II to come
03:47into him, lock him up, and then once he had Tony Brown, he didn't really essentially let go,
03:54and he didn't turn his body, he didn't hold him, but he held the block, if you know what I mean,
03:59in football terms, coach speak. He held the block, and he didn't let him get anywhere,
04:04and just for half a second, that's all it took for Sample to hold that block, make sure that
04:12Charlie Jones was behind him and then passed him, and they talked about that
04:16when they ran it in practice. It was nice to see execution on special teams when the Bengals needed
04:23it. Yeah, and Mike, to your point of why it was so important, without that kickoff return,
04:29they're down 6-0 at halftime instead of up 7-6. I mean, they never trailed in the football game.
04:34When they scored the Chubb touchdown to make it 7-6 and had a chance to kick for the tie,
04:38it felt very much like, where's this game heading? And it even still felt a little bit
04:42like that at 7-6, but imagine what it would have felt like at 6-0 down at that point,
04:46in a place where you always struggled. It would have been the same old story.
04:50It would have been the same old story, right, and I think you'd have played with a lot more
04:53pressure for the Bengals. Instead, in the second half, they get the big fourth downstop. Joe Burrow
04:57throws a couple of touchdown passes, and lo and behold, 7-6 becomes 21-6, and essentially,
05:02it's game over, even though the final margin becomes just 7 points, but that's what that
05:07kickoff return did. It just allowed you to, unfortunately, spin your wheels on offense
05:11in the first half and still have the lead at halftime, and that was big.
05:15I will say spin your wheels. Joe Burrow, 8 of 15 in the first half, 81 yards,
05:21he was sacked three times, none of them, by the way, by Miles Garrett, and he had a long pass
05:28play of 21 yards. The Bengals in the first half, and I'm looking this up right now, 81 plus 22,
05:35that's 103 yards of total offense in that first half.
05:40Actually less, because Burrow got sacked three times, too.
05:43Oh, and he lost 17 yards, so 86 yards of total offense. I'm doing it right. Yeah, there it is,
05:4986.
05:50Yeah, brutal. It really was brutal. Struggled to convert third downs into first downs,
05:55struggled to get the running game going, didn't run it very much. The offensive line, I thought,
05:59held up well at times, and Joe couldn't find a receiver, and so, again, that touchdown return,
06:05just in the way the defense played, combined with, let's face it, this is not a very good
06:09offense, Cleveland, and it's proven it all season long, but again, it allowed you to play with the
06:13lead and start the second half with the lead, and that's monumental, in my opinion.
06:18I thought Dustin Hopkins really helped the Bengals today.
06:22He sure did.
06:22Missing the 49-yard field goal in the first half, that, I believe, would have made, yeah,
06:29it would have made it 7-3. Missing the extra point toward the end of the first half, that would
06:34have tied the game. Look, I know it's just one point, but to go into halftime still with the
06:40lead, still to say, you look up at the scoreboard and say, for as badly as our offense has played
06:45as a team, we're still leading this game by one point, to me, that's a big deal.
06:50And that goes back to, you know, kind of showing the grit that you needed to show. The defense
06:55really did that in the first half. Actually, they did it the whole game, to be quite honest with you.
06:59And it's back-to-back weeks that they've done this. And I think it feels like it's getting
07:04a confidence boost, even though, listen, again, these two offenses are not very good, but they
07:09still, I think, went above and beyond. I mean, they did what you're supposed to do to a bad
07:13offense, not let them out, not let them breathe. And they really never did that either in the last
07:18two weeks. And again, at some point, this offense will get rolling again if the defense can continue
07:23to do this. And I don't expect them to hold Baltimore to seven or 14 points the next time
07:29they play them on the road. But can you keep it somewhere in the 20s that keeps your offense in
07:33the game? I think it's trending towards it can, although it's weeks off, that could be tons of
07:38injuries between now and then, whatever. But I think it's showing that it can do that, and it's
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09:03Skinner of Local 12. My name is Mike Petraglia, and you're listening and watching, if you will,
09:09one or the other, to the Jungle War Skinny Bengals postgame pod following a 21-14 Bengals win
09:16here in Cleveland. All right, you mentioned the injuries. We have to get to this. First,
09:21one significant one in each half. Toward the end of the first half in the second quarter,
09:27Orlando Brown Jr. goes down with a right knee injury. It looked like he got twisted a little
09:33bit in the pile around Joe Burrow as he fell to the ground. He came off wobbly. He spent a long
09:40time in the medical tent, then made his way slowly to the locker room just prior to halftime. And
09:46Cody Ford came in and did a reasonably good job, I thought. I mean, I'm no offensive line coach,
09:52but I thought, you know, I didn't see the Browns and their very formidable pass rush
09:58killing Cody Ford. No, and he was the left tackle for the two touchdown drives in the second half.
10:05Whether that's just coincidental or not, I don't know. But he was the left tackle,
10:09and he was a part of those two drives to get touchdowns. So he had to do a reasonable job
10:13because it is a really good pass rush. And yeah, you could tell they really
10:17helped him as much as possible. They put Zach Moss to the left of Joe Burrow a lot in pass
10:23protection to help with the left tackle. That's fine. I mean, you have to adjust to some of that.
10:28And even Joe, I think, said at the end of the game, it doesn't matter who's playing left tackle,
10:31you're probably going to chip on that guy anyway. And that's that's probably true. I think it was
10:35more exaggerated with Moss, you know, really staying in the block and not just chipping. But
10:39yeah, Cody Ford was a left tackle in those two touchdown drives. And so,
10:42you know, he was a he was a positive on those drives.
10:46And when you talk about after the game with Zach Taylor and talk about the situation with
10:53Orlando Brown Jr., he said, you know, the fact that he did return to the sideline and was in
10:58full uniform in the second half, probably a good sign going forward that it's not as serious.
11:03We're not talking weeks and weeks and weeks. We'll obviously play it by ear with that.
11:08Everything could change when they report on Monday. But the other big injury we need to
11:13make note of is Geno Stone. He collided pretty violently with Vaughn Bell on a Jameis Winston
11:19pass toward the very end of the game just before the Browns scored their final touchdown of the
11:24game. David Njoku caught a great pass in the back or made a great catch in the back of the end zone.
11:30But right before that, it was Bell and Geno Stone colliding. Bell was on the ground for a while,
11:37but he got up. Geno Stone did not. He sat up in the cart and had to be carted off the field.
11:44Eventually, when he got back to us as the game was ending, the good news was the brace or whatever
11:50appliance they put on that lower left leg was gone. And he was able to get up on his own,
11:56get in limp into the Bengals locker room. But he did limp on his own power into the
12:00Bengals locker room. There seemed to be a wrap below his left knee. But again,
12:05after the game, Zach Taylor said, maybe it's not as bad as we thought. And that's a good sign. But
12:10again, very early here on a couple hours after the game. Yeah, that answer surprised me when I
12:17asked it. And because you guys had all gone downstairs, I was still finishing my game story.
12:21So I'm kind of watching it from a different perspective. And to your point, as they're
12:25carting him off, I could see that contraption on his left leg. And when you see something like that,
12:28you automatically assume the worst. Something made your knee, broken bone, something along
12:34those lines. And to Zach's answer, it took me by surprise. And we saw Geno Stone in the locker
12:40room. He had like an ace bandage with probably some ice. I'm assuming it was a big ace bandage
12:44down around that left knee, left shin area. But yeah, he was at least walking on his own power.
12:49And that was surprising based on, again, what I'm watching a guy get carted off with a contraption
12:53on his leg, right? You think the worst and maybe it's not. Hopefully it's not for him or for them.
12:58They really, I mean, they're not that deep in the secondary. Especially if they're going to have to
13:05put Jordan Battle in the game. At that position, that might be, we might see some Tyson Anderson.
13:12We might see the Bengals get really crazy and really creative back there. Dajon Anthony,
13:18obviously, is a possibility if Geno Stone has to miss some time coming up. And he's at least
13:25been tight. Certainly, Dajon Anthony is somebody who's much more likely to fill in and has filled
13:31in than Tyson Anderson at this point, I would assume. Yeah, I think Tyson still in their mind
13:36is more of a special teams guy. It is a luxury to some degree. Most teams only keep four safeties.
13:40The Bengals have a fifth because Tyson is such a good special teams player. So, you know, I don't
13:46think you'd have to do a ton of roster machinations to make this work. It would put Tyson more in line
13:51to get some snaps if an injury were to occur. But yeah, I mean, again, I'm not going to speculate
13:57by any stretch of the imagination. I just can't imagine a guy has something like that and is able
14:00to play the following week. But maybe he can. And again, maybe they dodged a bullet. Yeah,
14:05you never know. So we'll get that update from Zach and his coaching staff on Monday when we're
14:12back in Cincinnati. How about Sam Hubbard? Did you know he was playing with a broken pinky on
14:17his right hand? Did the guys, the guys incredible. I mean, he played with a hamstring injury that
14:22apparently he suffered in training camp. We didn't know was a hamstring at the time. We knew he got
14:26hurt towards the end of camp and come to find out after his struggles early in the season,
14:30especially how bad he performed and looked in that Washington game. And I think you and I and
14:35a couple other people talked to him the week after, and he didn't make excuses. He said,
14:41I don't want to talk about injuries. And since that time, some more time has elapsed.
14:45And the last couple of weeks, especially he's popped at times and comes up with the interception
14:50today, was in the backfield a few times today. And I think that's you're seeing the Sam Hubbard
14:55that consistent force that's going to be in the right place, right time, occasionally make a play.
15:00I don't ever consider him a big playmaker, but I also don't consider him a liability by any stretch,
15:05but he was a liability in the Washington game. And yeah, there's a guy playing with a hamstring
15:09injury because they needed him. Talked about early in the year because of the lack of depth,
15:14he and Trey Henderson were having to play 75, 80% of defensive snaps. And Sam's talking about,
15:18we're just trying to survive from play to play, let alone go try to make a play.
15:22But they did it because they were asked to do it. And I think it tells you all you
15:25need to know about that guy as a professional football player.
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17:03What time is it? GameTime. I want to skinny. I want to go back to the first half and finish up
17:09something. A significant injury happened and it was obviously Deshaun Watson suffering a game
17:15ending. Certainly we don't know. Season ending could be. Achilles injury and in comes Dorian
17:23Thompson Robinson. The very first play, very first snap, he throws a pass towards the end zone and
17:31DJ Turner is in coverage. Did you think it was pass interference that set the Browns up?
17:36No, I didn't either, but I thought the one last week at Washington was he didn't think it was,
17:43which is fine. That's his opinion. I think it was called. And I thought that one definitively was
17:48he didn't have his head turned. He ran through the receiver this one. They were doing a little
17:53bit of hand fighting, but if anything, I thought he got pulled into the receiver by the receiver
17:57for goodness sakes. And so that's what I saw in replay. But it was just, you know, how weird flag
18:02the flag kind of came out late. It kind of came out half hearted. It's like the official on that
18:07side was like, I don't really want to make this call, but I mean, I got to make, I'll make it
18:12anyway. And that's literally what it felt like. And that set up the Browns first touchdown,
18:16the Nick Chubb run. Well, and I'll tell you, it was bizarre because, you know, not every fan
18:24inside a stadium at any time at any game is always classy. And you heard some cheers as the cart came
18:30out for Deshaun. And it's just an ugly part of the business that we're in pro sports. Fans get
18:37bitter fans, you know, feel that Deshaun and somewhat rightfully so, but feel that Deshaun
18:44Watson has embarrassed the Browns franchise. And that's their way of showing it. You could feel
18:49and Ben baby was sitting next to me and he said to me and changed for pain. He said, you could
18:55feel an energy changing. And I agreed with him. I thought when, when Thompson Robinson came in the
19:01game, uh, there was like this, Oh boy, now we've got a, you know, a shot of a bowl of energy.
19:08And then right before halftime burrow makes, I thought a brilliant pass down the left sideline.
19:14And I thought Jamar chase was grabbed. I thought that was the flag was thrown and they decided to
19:21pick it up because it was not catchable your thoughts on that one. Yeah, no, I thought that
19:25was interference clearly too. I do want to go back to the, to the cheering, if you will, when,
19:29when Deshaun got hurt, um, I get fans frustration I do. And he's based on his checker pass. He's
19:35certainly not a good guy by any stretch of the imagination. Um, I just don't know where there's
19:40a place for that, for anybody to do that. I just don't get it. Miles Garrett. Uh, I don't have the
19:44quotes in front of me, but after the game, uh, he apparently, uh, went off on the situation and,
19:50uh, voiced his opinion and voiced it pretty, pretty loudly about how much,
19:54how much he was disappointed in that. And, uh, I, I, I would agree with that. Listen, um,
20:00the Browns brought all this on themselves. Deshaun certainly brought
20:03the heat on himself as well, but do we really cheer when somebody gets hurt? Do we,
20:08are we really there? I felt weak. Yeah. All right. Uh, go to the second half, fast forward to the
20:16second half. And I thought that, and I asked Zach about this after the game turning point to me was
20:21you make the stop on DTR fourth and two, he scrambles back the Bengals breakthrough, uh,
20:28get pressure on, uh, Thompson Robinson. He throws incomplete on fourth down the Bengals take the
20:34ball right there at the 30, their own 35 and March the length of the field capped off by the 18 yard
20:41touchdown pass to Jamar chase from Joe Burrow to me that turned the game right there. Yeah.
20:46And they did it so quick. I mean, it was the fourth down stop and then the 22 yard chase Brown
20:50run, and then a 19 yard catch and run by Zach Moss. And you look up and it only took them five
20:55plays to cover those 65 yards. And at that point with the, with a backup quarterback in the game
21:00that they hadn't done much all day to have a full one score lead plus, if you will, where it was
21:06going to have to be a touchdown and a two pointer at that point felt big. Then they get the interception
21:10by Hubbard, but don't do anything with it, but force a punt. And then the next series, they do
21:14go 50 yards and four plays. And at 21 six, that felt totally monumental, but it doesn't start
21:19without the fourth down stop. And then the quick drive for the touchdown right after no doubt.
21:24Yeah. And that, that was to me, one of those moments where you look up and you go, the defense
21:29is not just making, uh, big plays in terms of turnovers, they're getting stops and they're
21:36bearing down when they absolutely have to. And this is fourth and two. And if, if there's one
21:41thing you can say about the Cleveland Browns, they've been able to use Nick Chubb and as a
21:46weapon against the Bengals, Nick Chubb and his return today, 11 carries 22 yards, just 2.0 yards
21:53per carry. Obviously he's coming back up in the injury and they're going to pace him. But I thought
21:59that was a big statistic in the game as well. Yeah. I mean, I don't even know if I chalked
22:04that up to Russ. Cause I can't remember a run that Nick had where you're like, well, man,
22:08he didn't finish off that guy. Like he normally does, or he didn't side. There was no place to go.
22:13Um, and so I think that's a credit to the Bengals rush defense. And now again, Mike, we can't take
22:17away the Derek Henry 51 yard run and Chuba Hubbard did have some big chunk runs in the Carolina game,
22:22but you start with the Washington game. This run defense has played pretty actually has been
22:27significantly better than it was, and actually played very well against teams that want to run
22:32the football. The giants wanted to run the football. Cleveland wanted to run the football
22:36to your point. I don't think Nick Chubb was ever going to get 18 to 20 carries, even if he had been
22:40efficient. Um, I was probably going to be in the, in the 11 to 15 maximum range. And, and he really
22:46didn't have any efficient runs. The Bengals really did a good job of, of not allowing him to get the
22:51head of steam to find the cutback lane that he's so good against. So I know people are going to go,
22:55ah, you know, first game back rust. I'm sure there was some, right? I mean, there was some,
22:59but for the most part, he didn't have anywhere to go.
23:02What else are you working on skinny? What were your takeaways? Other,
23:05other takeaways? Maybe we haven't touched on here post game from the locker room.
23:09Yeah. The, the column I'm writing about is just how important it is to win gritty. Um, you know,
23:13again, would you like this team to not have a nice tidy 31, 17 wins every week where Joe's
23:18looking good and you run it when you want to run it and you're scoring 30 plus points. The defense
23:22is holding people that doesn't happen like that in this league. It just doesn't. Um, you know,
23:27it would have been nice to find a way if you're the Bengals to beat Baltimore 41, 38, instead of
23:31the other way around. Right. Um, it would have been, you know, nice to, to have Harrison Butker
23:36miss a field goal and hold off Kansas city, but you didn't in these two games, your offense
23:40scuffled at times it did enough. And your defense played well, there is going to be a game could be
23:46this week with Philly for all we know where the defense plays well and still gives up 24 points.
23:51And the offense then goes and does its job now. And it's 27. That's the complimentary football
23:55part on days. Um, and you see it in baseball, right? Mike, it's, it's the day where you don't
23:59hit your pitch. Well, and the day you don't pitch well, you hit. And, uh, it's the vice versa of
24:04that of man, this team just can't find it. Days. It hits. It doesn't pitch days. It pitches. It
24:07doesn't hit well, but this team, it was for a while. This offense is clicking. The defense
24:12isn't well now the defense is clicking. The offense is just clicking enough. And I still
24:16think we know it's good enough when it has to be to go win games, 30, 27, 31, 28, whatever it can be.
24:23Um, and the defense will just have to be good enough that day. Not, not like they've been right
24:27now. Um, the way they should have been against two bad teams. I just thought it was the happiest
24:32and most relieved that felt that locker room. Yes, I did too. And the, the, uh, ear blasting
24:39music aside and the difficulty of doing post-game interviews aside. Yes. I'm bitching and moaning
24:46here and that that's inside baseball, but it's hard to do a locker room interview with about
24:51110 decibels behind you skinny. Well, and then when you go back to transcribe it,
24:56you hear mostly that you don't hear the question that was asked or the answer that was given.
24:59It's like, well, what was my reason for, I got, I got nothing out of this. I got enough out of it,
25:03but your point, it was a lot. Yeah. I want to, I just want to give, uh, our, uh, audience a
25:09little bit of a taste of what was going on. You had the music blaring and God bless Dan Hort.
25:15He was doing his Bengals, uh, pod interview and for the radio network with Charlie Jones,
25:21Charlie Jones, Charlie Jones had his head down the whole time and Dan was doing his best to get
25:28every single word into his ear. So he could hear the question through, um, through the music and
25:35through the noise. And I went up to Dan afterward and I said, that's a hell of a job that is well
25:40done. My, my friend, I just hope it, I hope the recording wasn't drowned out by the music is where
25:45Charlie's locker was, was basically right across from where the giant speaker that was blaring.
25:49That music was, um, cause I got in for a little bit of that interview myself and all I could do
25:53was stick a microphone in there and hope it got picked up somehow or a cameraman shot it. Um,
25:58and yeah, and Dan was literally to his, to your point, he had his phone, which he was recording
26:02on or whatever, his recording device right by his mouth. So I'm just hoping that it wasn't
26:06tried out by music cause he worked really hard to get that interview done. I just admire that.
26:11I have you and me both have a special appreciation of what it takes after a winning locker room,
26:17after, you know, a team wins a game in the locker room is what it was, but that's good
26:21news for Bengal fans. Bengals finally get the win in Cleveland 21 to 14. They're now one win away
26:28from 500. They're three and four on the season. They have Saquon Barkley and the Philadelphia
26:33Eagles coming to pay course stadium next Sunday afternoon. It's been moved. It's no longer the
26:38four 25 on Fox. It is now a 1 PM game on Fox. So the white out won't have the full effect that I
26:46think the Bengals officials were hoping for, but we'll have you covered throughout the week. Skinny
26:51and I both skinny on a local 12.com and me on the jungle were pod as well as of course, CLNS
26:57sensi.com. He is Richard Skinner skinny. My name is Mike Petralia trags, and this has been the
27:05jungle war skinny Bengals post-game pod. The final again here from Cleveland, the Bengals 21
27:11and the Browns 14 until next week. Take care.