CINCINNATI -- Joe Burrow tried to deliver the Bengals another chance at winning a key AFC North battle Sunday but the franchise quarterback can't tackle or pressure the opposing quarterback. As a result, the Pittsburgh Steelers put up 518 yards and 44 points and recorded a 44-38 win in the highest scoring game in the NFL this season and the highest-ever in the 110-game history between the two AFC North rivals. What to make of the abysmally bad Bengals D and Joe Burrow's poignant postgame comments directed at front office, coaches and teammates? Trags and Skinny. break it all down in the latest episode of the Jungle Roar Skinny Bengals Postgame Pod.
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00:00Welcome to the latest installment of the Jungle Roar Skinny Bengals postgame pod
00:05Stop me if you've heard this before
00:07the Bengals get a great performance from Joe Burrow or at least a very productive one three touchdown passes and
00:13Still manage to lose a game at Pay Corps Stadium in which they score
00:1838 points. It's the fourth time this year skinny that the Bengals have scored
00:2533 points or more in a game and lost that game. The defense gives up
00:31518 yards
00:34to the previously
00:36Very struggling offense of the Pittsburgh Steelers
00:414438 is the final. Here's my first question to you
00:45Do you blame the defense which couldn't tackle on Sunday? It was horrific
00:50Or do you blame just as much the three turnovers that were tied directly to Joe Burrow?
00:57It's a fair question
00:58But Mike I it's hard to pin blame on the offense when they score 38, right it is
01:04Orlando Browns playing with one leg
01:05I mean literally was and he gave up the last strip sack that Nate Herbig, you know got on Joe Burrow
01:11He came right around him
01:13Was a scoop and score Joe had no idea the guy was coming that happens in the pocket when things like that are going
01:18but I think it shows that
01:20That that's where you're at with this team as a poor guy playing on one leg is trying to block
01:26Edge rushers who are quicker faster all those things and I credit Orlando for trying to do that more than I ding them
01:32I mean to your point to your initial question to your initial stats
01:36You know Mike they're oh and four in games in which they've scored 33 or more points
01:41They're oh and you say they're oh and two in games in which they've scored 38 points
01:45That can't happen in this league that just cannot and so the sire
01:50I literally just got done with my column and the lead was basically the sobering fact is that this is going to take
01:57Multiple offseasons to fix this defense. They still have Joe Burrow. They're probably still gonna have Jamar chase and I say probably
02:03They're not gonna have T Higgins
02:05they gotta make some other fixes on the offensive line as good as goofy as that sounds and
02:10The holes on defense are just so enormous
02:13I don't know how you dig out from under that in an offseason or two. It's a big ask
02:18Well, we can get into where the priorities are on the defense
02:23We can go top to bottom bottom the top. However, you want to phrase it. They're all the same
02:28Just I'll tell you right now
02:31Russell Wilson through for four hundred and fourteen yards my goodness
02:36Three touchdowns and the one interception the pick six to Cam Taylor Britton which you thought oh no
02:41Are the Bengals actually gonna get a defensive score and set the tone of this game early on and then you had a keen?
02:49Davis Gaither, you know belting one of the
02:54Steelers wide receivers and you're thinking wow, the defense is gonna make a stand
02:59But it would that was an interception skinny only because George Pickens stumbled fell
03:05Cam Taylor Britton kind of helped him to the ground
03:07Yes, he did and then he picked off the pass and went in 51 yards hip-hip-hooray
03:12But that was Russell Wilson's only mistake. He had 400 yards passing after that pick six
03:21They averaged less than 200 yards passing per game
03:25Right and some of that was the early Justin Fields numbers all those things
03:29But I mean Russell Wilson is a fossil and he has George Pickens and who else it was check down City all day
03:38You know, I know Jermaine Pratt talked about they ran screen screen screens. They didn't run screens
03:42they ran check downs because linebackers are dropping 20 yards deep for whatever reason because Jermaine Pratt is apparently an idiot and a King Davis
03:49Gaither was apparently an idiot. That was one of the worst offensive performances. I've seen in a long long time
03:55I have to go back to the
03:57to the Terrell Austin
03:59Coordinated defense against the Saints years ago when Marvin Lewis the head coach that that that game was as big of a joke as this
04:06Game was and so that's where I go back to when you look at today
04:10You go who on that defense can you count on moving forward to be one guy other than Trey Hendrickson?
04:16And even if things go well, you probably got one more year of Trey Hendrickson. Who can you count on on that defense?
04:22There's not a single
04:24Solitary soul the safety stuff suck the corners suck Mike Hilton
04:29I love but Mike Hilton is gonna be gone sooner rather than later around today that turn around
04:35Yes, he did Austin who was the the wide receiver. I couldn't remember his name right away. He was
04:41Calvin Austin the third who got who turned Mike Hilton around and beat him on a post to the end zone
04:48And so Mike you literally I could literally tell you you need 11 new players to start on defense
04:56That's not feasible in an offseason or two and certainly maybe there's a guy or two where you go
05:02Okay, if there's better players around him, that guy's gonna be better. I can probably believe that in some cases I can
05:09But Myles Murphy's been a bus Joseph Osai has been a bus BJ Hills an old man
05:15Sheldon Rankin's can't get on the field cuz he's sick
05:19They never take you at one point it was Jake to Philly and McKinley Jackson they both stink
05:23I mean this team stinks on defense and again, it's not one of those where you're like, well, you know
05:28Hopefully you get some guys back. All right, maybe Logan Wilson. I can give you he's a serviceable player
05:33But he hadn't been that good this year
05:35This defense needs a total
05:38Total overhaul and it's not gonna occur in one offseason
05:42Okay, we have to discuss Lou Anna Rimmel what kind of responsibility does he take for not?
05:49Going man-to-man scheme and we talked about this during halftime. Yes. We did
05:54Yes, we did when I came up to you and I said what do they have to lose by not going man-to-man?
05:59Blitz every freaking down. What does it matter at this point? You're you gave up 27 first half points to
06:08The Pittsburgh Steelers and I believe Russell Wilson was something like
06:1320 of 24 something like that. Yes, we're already
06:17250 yards in the first half. What do you have to lose? You might as well blitz do something aggressive play man-to-man
06:25Give your players the accountability that okay. I'm going to ask you you've got a man in your responsibility
06:33In on this side of the field take care of it. No, Mike I you and I talked like you said, um
06:40And you know, one of Russell's incompletions in that first half was the interception that was arguably a penalty on Cam Taylor Britt
06:47No, I'm with you because here's the thing
06:49All these games are shootouts right at the moment
06:52I mean every game they plays a shootout if you want to make it a 56 52 shootout giddyup
06:56Let's go
06:57If you have a chance to maybe make a play make a stop because you just said zero blitz here
07:02We come man-to-man and you force a quick throw you force a turnover you get a rare sack
07:07Other than Trey Hendrickson, then maybe that flips the field and changes things. I'm kind of with you on that
07:12I don't think this defensive issue is all on Lou Anna room. Oh by any stretch
07:16I don't think you believe that either no, but but I do agree with the fact of at some point you go
07:22Listen, what we're doing is not working
07:24I want to run my stuff
07:25But our guys can't run our stuff and so I got to run some other stuff and the other stuff would be just lining up
07:30Going got eight guys at the line of scrimmage pick out who's coming
07:33Who's not work on different blitz packages work on saying, you know what?
07:36We're gonna put eight the line of scrimmage
07:37We're gonna man up on the outside and you're gonna try to guess that the two inside guys are coming or the one outside guys
07:44Coming or the one inside one outside guys coming. We're gonna drop some stuff
07:47I think it's the only way you can go with this because it's just not a good enough defense to line up and go
07:51We're gonna play a four to five and we're gonna rush our four and we're gonna guard on the outside
07:57We're gonna play some zone and we're gonna make you dink and dunk it down the field. I get his philosophy
08:02I get what he's trying to do. That's great. When you have the personnel to do it. You don't so what do you need to do?
08:09To your point you need to do something different even if it's so outlandish of going. We're zero blitz it on
08:1640 of 60 plays we don't care you want to throw over top and get one great
08:20guess what our offense is gonna be right back on the field that gives them two extra possessions and
08:25You know, maybe again you create a turnover you create a quick pass you create a quick decision you create a sack
08:32You're not creating anything at the moment, man
08:35no, and look you covered Mike Zimmer and Paul Gunther and
08:41The thing that both of those coordinators, especially Zim was
08:45Renowned for was his ability to bring pressure from different areas. Don't wait. Yeah
08:52Double a gap. Obviously he had Gino Atkins. I get that. Yeah and
08:57Adamico Pekko, I totally understand that he doesn't you know
09:01Lou Anna remote does not have those kind of dogs in the race that the Bengals are trying to run right now
09:07I understand that but
09:09One of the trademarks of the Zimmer Gunther schemes skinny was
09:16He would rotate the pressure like you said and you never knew as a quarterback
09:21Where it was coming from he'd show it from one area and then bring it from another he disguised
09:26But there would always be pressure on every single play extra pressure
09:31And it was up to the quarterback to decipher what happens when you force the quarterback to make that decision
09:38it makes him take usually an
09:41extra half second to maybe even your if you're lucky a full second second and a half to decipher what he is seeing and
09:48that can be the difference between a tip pass at an interception and
09:53a completion far downfield the other point I want to bring up here skinny is
09:59the Dinkin Dunk defense that Lou is
10:02relying on right now is
10:04great if you
10:06Have players to keep the actual plays in ball in front of you like it's designed to freakin do
10:12Oh, you mean rally and tackle Mike?
10:14They are not pursuing to the football. I saw twice today
10:20Geno stones say something to Mike Hilton and it was G and it looked like to me at least on
10:27live action and one replay
10:29Like Gino was over pursuing the ball and then nausea Harris cut backside on him
10:36The middle of the field was wide open. I don't know wide open
10:40you can't have that and the whole point of the Dinkin Dunk is
10:45Okay, let them have the completion but force Russell to complete
10:50seven to eight ten passes down the field if he's gonna do that and
10:54We we are gonna bet that Russell Wilson at this stage of his career with this particular offense can't do that
11:00No in Gino stones tackling performance today was one of the most embarrassing I've ever watched
11:06You know, maybe they have stats that are different than what my eyeballs showed me
11:10I tweeted it out and I don't like to do this. I really don't I think I even at one point
11:14I tweeted out Gino stones tackling performance today is literally a highlight reel of how not to tackle
11:20It was so bad and to your point if you're gonna allow the checkdowns, that's fine in theory
11:26but you got a rally to tackle how many times they rally to tackle and a guy would just
11:31Step away from it and go for another seven eight ten yards there
11:34I felt like there was a point where Russell Wilson had like six air yards on a drive
11:40Where he dunked it twice to nausea Harris and the one nausea came up lame and he actually to his credit came back in
11:45The game and then a screen to George Pickens on the outside that he went for touchdowns
11:48It felt like there was like six air yards and probably 70 real yards on six air yards because you know
11:55Why you couldn't tackle and I couldn't believe players after the game and Zack Taylor after the game talked about I thought attack
12:02It was fine. If you like that was fine, then you know, maybe there's our there's your issue right there
12:06Maybe there's the real issue. Hey everybody. It's drags Mike Petralia host of the jungle war and code Reds podcasts on CLNS media
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13:49After you play your first $5 lineup prize picks run your game. I was in the scrum with Jermaine Pratt and
13:59Three different times the questions were asked. Oh, yeah, Kelsey Conway, and I believe yeah
14:04Paul Boehner jr. Was in that scrum as well and we asked and tried to ask in different ways
14:10Paul Boehner asked about what did you think of the tackling point-blank? Well, I thought I thought it was good
14:16I I thought that
14:18Russell Wilson just got the ball out fast
14:20Yeah, screen just got the ball out fast
14:22It has nothing to do with your ability not to tackle the guy once he catches the ball and heads up field. I
14:30asked
14:31Okay, if
14:32He's getting the ball out
14:35Quickly, are you perhaps out of position our guys multiple guys on your defense out of position?
14:41If you're not around the ball, he's like just getting the ball out fast
14:45And then it was Kelsey who said well, there's got to be some answer
14:50for all of these plays and yardage after the catch when he's getting the ball out fast and
14:58Jermaine was like, well, no, he's just getting the ball out fast and they're making plays and they get paid too. I'm like, okay
15:04Read the room Jermaine. You gave up
15:08518 yards to the Pittsburgh Steelers now
15:11in his defense
15:13He is probably
15:15That's his way perhaps of not throwing everybody under the shirt and it sounds better than pointing fingers after the game
15:23It does sound better in that regard
15:25But still I think fans who hear those interviews and that's why we're in that locker as
15:31reporters and columnists is
15:33To gather the perspective of the players who played the game and we see the missed tackles in the press box
15:41Millions of fans see it on TV guys running free. Why is that? You've got to have a better answer
15:48I think what the play what the defensive players had today?
15:51Yeah, and you can use the term we that includes you if you're Jermaine Pratt, right you don't have to say well
15:58This guy should have tackled better or that guy should have tackled better. It can be a it can be a we
16:03We need to tackle better. We didn't tackle. Well today
16:07We didn't do the job today and he literally almost every answer to him was gotta have his hands quick
16:12Screen game screen game one screen game. It was a check down game for the most part
16:16There were some screens the big difference between screens and checkdowns is I would hope an NFL player would know but maybe Jermaine doesn't understand
16:22The difference between screens and checkdowns. It was a lot of check down game of Russell would go back and go
16:27Oh, wait a minute nausea your four yards cross line scrimmage and they dropped 12 yards deep here you go
16:32And then that's fine
16:33As long as you rally up to make the tackle and they rarely rallied up to make the tackle
16:38In fact, there are multiple missed tackles on many plays and I hate to point the finger of effort
16:44That's that's the worst thing you can do as a fan a journalist a teammate of questioning effort
16:51But damned if it didn't look like there was a lack of effort where that was good
16:54It looked like Gino Stone was allergic to tackling or he thought it was a flag football game or a tag football game
16:59He was a joke today
17:01So I asked Mike Hilton how shocked are you that you're four and eight given it talent?
17:07You thought you had on this team and he said earmuffs. It's shitty. Yeah
17:12I think it was shitty because I think we're a better team than we're showing
17:18well, you know, I don't like and I when I tweeted that video out and it's on my
17:23X of the
17:25Attracts to your AGS you can hear Mike Hilton say
17:30We're a better because we're a better team than we are
17:32I'm like all of the replies in the comments in the section are no, you're not Mike the offense
17:40Is better than a four and eight record, but the team isn't and the defense sure as heck isn't I mean Mike
17:47They're oh and seven against teams above 500. We can argue about the one-score games
17:51I think they're now whatever one in six one in seven. I lose track of the numbers. Sometimes they got the win at Cleveland
17:57Which became a one-score game by default, right?
18:00The bottom line is you are what the numbers eventually suggest you are. I mean, you're Owen seven against teams above 500
18:08The
18:09You're Owen four in games in which you've scored 33 or more points
18:12You're Owen two in games in which you scored 38 points that suggests that the defense is a mess
18:18And again, it would be one thing to go
18:20well
18:21They're playing six rookies and two second year guys and they'll get better because it's just that's part of the league
18:26They're playing some veterans. You're playing some rookies who can't play you're playing some rookies by default
18:31You're a mess and that's the part for me I thought this season was still salvageable going into the day
18:37I thought you can be Pittsburgh their pedestrian on offense
18:41They do have a good defense
18:43But your offense is good enough to put something in the 20s and something in the 20s
18:46Was good than that correct your 20s were gonna be good enough to win
18:50And and that's gonna be that's gonna get you on a roll and you're gonna find a way to work your way back into the
18:55playoff picture just because
18:56Where things are in the season and now after today you have to simply go you have a major major
19:04Overhaul and then the question becomes do you trust the personnel department front office to fix it?
19:10And I hate to be that guy. I don't you're not alone skinny
19:14I mean, I think you know, you're not alone
19:16But there's major doubt and that's why a lot of Bengal fans are furious and have been for several weeks
19:22They see those seasons that Joe Joe burrow and Jamar chase are
19:27Ridiculous, how good is being Mike?
19:30Historic at least in terms of the franchise perspective. We'll leave it at the in Bengal history a
19:36Quarterback and receiver have not had the years that Joe burrow and Jamar chase are having Trey Hendrickson got it
19:42It was a zero yard sack, but he got another sack today of Russell Wilson
19:47So I believe he has twelve and a half sacks
19:49Now on the season and you're in the front office. It feels like it's wasting this window
19:54And I think it's fair for a lot of fans to feel like the Bengals blew it
19:59The windows pretty much shot on they they they sense what you
20:05alluded to and
20:06very
20:08Nicely articulated at the top of the pod is that you have a lot of question marks on this roster
20:13The defense needs to be completely overhauled and you're not only talking about this year skinny
20:19You're talking about wasting like two to three years of Joe burrow in his prime
20:24That's sinful and that's why Bengal fans are furious with the front office
20:30And I don't know if it is fixable you mentioned Joe burrow
20:33So I asked Joe burrow after the game his mood was down
20:38Understandable. Oh my gosh for sure very down very sullen
20:43Accepting of the reality and I asked him
20:46Are you conceding the reality this year of not making the playoffs here was his answer?
20:53Playoffs are the furthest thing from my mind. You never know what can happen
20:56So I'll be putting one foot in front of the other and try to be the best player
21:00I can be for the rest of the season week in and week out
21:05Then that was followed up by Kelsey Conway's question
21:07Do you feel that given your record versus AFC North teams and structure or the team must change?
21:14to compete in the division
21:16burrows answer I
21:18Would say we need to change a lot of things this year. We haven't been good enough to win games
21:24So it starts with your division. We have to do a better job
21:27Okay, skinny skinny the therapist interpret that from Joe burrow. No, I think it's him trying not to roll
21:35Um
21:36Everybody under the bus by really saying to the far office guys
21:40It's on you to fix this and you have to find a way to fix this and if you can't fix this
21:46we're not moving forward and
21:49You know, here's the other part Mike and I don't want to jump to there, but I'm gonna have to jump there
21:54I mean you've wasted a healthy Joe burrow year
21:56How many healthy Joe burrow years have there been or they're gonna be maybe?
22:01Hopefully the rest of his career never misses a game it's not feasible
22:04It's not the league, but hopefully he never misses a game and that's fine
22:07But you've wasted a healthy Joe burrow year not just a Joe burrow great year a healthy Joe burrow
22:14Great year, you've wasted a Jamar chase great year
22:17You've wasted the last year of T Higgins and some of this tea has been in and out of the lineup
22:23Which we know you've wasted from what Dan pitcher has told us
22:27Arguably the best year of Orlando Browns career when he was healthy and he wasn't healthy today and it costs him today
22:33But before that he was playing great football. You've wasted some really good guys
22:38great guys
22:39Really good years and that's the part to me. That's really distressing of okay
22:45So maybe you do find a way in the next two years to fix the defense
22:49Can you guarantee me Joe burrows playing 34 regular season games the next two years if you can great
22:54But you can't you're not already he's taking hits
22:56Correct, correct, and you can say that about any NFL quarterback that steps on the field
23:01The reason it it's it's more alarming and urgent with Joe burrow is he's taking
23:0910 to 14 hits every single heavy
23:15Time yeah, and some of that's not a product of the offensive line
23:18So that's not like the one sack he took in the red zone today people are gonna go. Oh, they got sacked
23:22Well, he held the ball for eight seconds, which I get he's looking to make a play
23:25He doesn't care cuz it's gonna be sacked and you're still in field goal range. So some of those things aren't
23:30Completely on the offensive line as you know, I know you know that I'm just a lot of what fans to understand it
23:35Oh, we got sacked this many times. Well, one of the sacks clearly was Joe
23:39Holding the ball too long. But the other one of those acts Nate Herbick's strip sack was poor Elena Browns played on one leg
23:45I mean we were two plays prior to that Mike
23:48I don't know if you notice or not
23:49They ran a toss sweep to chase Brown and he's trying to be a lead blocker
23:53He's literally limping on one leg and I turned to Paul and went get him out
23:57This is ridiculous the poor guys playing on one gets get him out. This is not fair to him or anybody else
24:02God love Orlando for being a gamer to try it. But those things add up in a season, right? I mean I
24:09Mean, I can't believe Mike. I can't believe we are here two years removed from a from an AFC championship
24:17Close loss in Kansas City prior or a year after they went to the Super Bowl
24:22It's crazy to think they're here
24:24But the missteps that this front office has taken along the way have cost them so dearly
24:30Mike Petralia trags here host of the jungle war and code reds podcast on
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26:21We note there that Joe Burrow
26:25Obviously is calling out
26:27Things have to change he's referring to the front office and the coaching staff. We that's safe to assume correct
26:33He is also got his eyes and ears open for his teammates in the locker room
26:38I want to read you this quote. I remember it. I know we're going with this. This is great
26:43I I think we'll learn a lot about who we have in the locker room the guys we can count on going forward and the guys
26:50We can't the next six weeks. We'll say a lot about who we can count on and who we can't
26:56Boom end of story. That's Joe Burrow telling you you're either with us or get the hell out of the way and
27:03He's obviously not gonna name names. Okay, we understand that
27:08But if I watch that game today, I think I know who he's talking
27:11I know some of them I think he's talking about but does the front office understand that or well, that's your let me jump in
27:17Yeah, sure. Sure
27:19He means in no uncertain terms to let Mike Brown
27:24Katie Blackburn know Troy Blackburn. No, he needs to know let everyone in the front office. No, he needs to let Zach Duke
27:33everyone
27:34This is what I see. This is what I hear and this is what I'm playing with. Okay, so that's a great point
27:41So, let me give you not a counterpoint to that but an addendum to that
27:45What if the front office looks at him goes shut up, man. You got paid
27:49Walk away
27:51And then he can say okay well
27:56That's my fear that's my fear Mike is they just go we got this dude you got paid just go don't go do you you
28:03Go do you well hear that? Okay, and if I'm Joe Burrow and I'm putting my career
28:09I don't care how much I got paid if I'm putting my career on the line
28:14Then I'd start dropping subtle hints and you know, I don't pull a Carson Palmer
28:19I don't do it is
28:22Pretty over that's pretty that was over. That was public. We all know and as you have told me on this very
28:29jungle, we're a skinny Bengals postgame pod before several weeks ago that
28:35Carson Palmer did not get paid Joe Burrow has gotten his money. There's a big difference between the two. Sure. No, no question, but
28:44There's a part of me because we've heard more inside stuff lately from other players
28:49I thought the Whitworth stuff on the one podcast was pretty interesting. I kind of knew some of that. Yeah, I didn't know the direct
28:57Correlation of that I knew some of it
28:59I knew a little bit of the behind the scenes but not completely to where he opened up about that
29:03that would be distressing to me where
29:05He sees the writing on the wall or saw it and saw and and had to deal with
29:10Katie and Troy and so there's a part of me that
29:14Does your market paid? I don't know the answer to that. I'm you know me
29:17I've been on the camp of but it but hear me out
29:19Maybe it comes to the point where they go, but we're not gonna do this. That's fine
29:23But if you want to take that money and then fix the rest of the roster go for it
29:27I don't trust them to take the rest of the money and fix the roster. That's the part that bothers me
29:32I trust them to try and fix it. I don't trust them to fix it. Yes
29:38Correct cut because people are gonna hear that and go. Oh because they're gonna keep the money and pocket the money. No, I'm gonna do that
29:43No, they'll spend the money. I don't know the money. I just don't trust their judgment. I don't need on players
29:49So and so make so that's where it comes down to I
29:53Know people want Mike Brown to make hard decisions on Lou and Zach and other coaches and go get rid of him
30:00It doesn't matter if you don't make hard decisions on the people that are piecing the roster together, which includes himself
30:08Troy and Katie Duke Dukes the people who work for Duke if you can't make those hard decisions
30:14Then what are we talking about here?
30:17You guys can as fans can point the finger at Lou and Zach all you want
30:21I'm not here to be a shield for them to your point Mike. I'm kind of with you
30:25I mean if I'm Lou, I'm just saying to hell with this
30:26I'm gonna zero blitz everything and I got to do something different. I can't do the things the way I want it to be done
30:33So I'm with you on that and if you're Zach, maybe you have to figure out a way to go
30:36You know what?
30:37We got to shorten possessions and we got to just play more ball control
30:40Even though it's not our thing and we got it
30:43We got to keep the ball on the other team's hands because we don't trust our defense
30:45So some of this is on those guys to figure that part out
30:48But at the end of the day when the roster is so bad, especially on the defensive side of the ball
30:55Who's to blame for that the coaches or the people putting the roster together when the Steelers got punched in the mouth today?
31:03What happened they responded they responded my issue with the Bengals is
31:09The Bengals egg to their credit to a team Davis Gaither's credit and you could say he had a crappy game tackling
31:16He did and it was out of position, but I did see energy fans saw the energy
31:22I would see it on the X on the timeline
31:25I'm all for I saw it many times. I'm all for this kind of energy from the Bengals
31:31Where has this been all year? That's good. And
31:34You you know, I fans can accept
31:38poor play
31:39technical play if they sense that the energy there that the players are trying to bring the energy and be the
31:46Aggressors against the team like Pittsburgh and not get rolled over. Well for a quarter. I'm thinking. Oh, this is that game back in
31:542020 the famous Vaughn Bell game. Yep, where he lays out
31:59Help you do you do you Smith Smith Schuster and the right famous the famous Ryan Finley game
32:05Yeah, and the famous the meme that will live on in infamy in Bengal history with him smiling at the goal line
32:12Or the first down so no, I knew it was a goal. He was a read option
32:16He went for a touchdown. That's right, and he smiled
32:19But anyway, I went I thought back to that game because that was the game that famously kicked off the new attitude
32:27In Bengal culture that we're not gonna get kicked around we're gonna do the kicking and
32:33I'm like, okay for one quarter
32:35I saw it, but then the Steelers responded not once not twice
32:41But three times like we saw, you know, who else did that skinny the Ravens the Ravens were down ten points
32:49Not once not twice. Yeah three times in the second half and responded every time
32:53I don't see the Bengal of the Bengals did do that against the Chargers, but unlike
33:00The Ravens and the Steelers today the Bengals could not finish off that game against the Chargers
33:05I mean Mike
33:06I mean you had them third and four
33:09People can argue and they may I haven't looked at the Twitter verse on this or the X first on this of whether they should have
33:14Taken the holding penalty or not inside of two minutes. I thought it was the right decision
33:18Stops, I don't want to give them another snap. Correct. Correct. It stops the clock. It's and it's not third and one
33:23It was third one then you take the penalties third and four third and four is not a in the NFL
33:27Look a completely makeable third down and you had a chance to make a play and get off the field and instead you have a rookie
33:34Corner who doesn't know how to set the edge you got sucked in for whatever reason who's played read option football
33:39Probably his whole career in the big 12 Josh Newton and I I think Josh is gonna be a serviceable backup cornerback
33:45He's not a starter. I think that's kind of been proven. Yeah quickly
33:49Not yet. Yeah, not yet. Not yet. That's a good point
33:51I shouldn't discount the whole thing, but you're right not yet, but the kid gets sucked in but you know
33:55We had a chance to there Mike you did have a chance to make a play get your team the ball back
34:00It was a long shot, right?
34:01There's gonna be a minute left by the time they punted maybe under a minute
34:04I gave you a shot it gave you it gave you a chance and you couldn't even get a stop there
34:09I mean, that's the thing. That's the disappointing part
34:12You couldn't even get one there when they brought a running quarterback on the field, you know, it was coming
34:17They were doing two things
34:19They were handing it off on the read option or he was gonna pull it and run and your cornerback went. Yeah
34:26What are we doing, yeah, I mean that's that's more inexperienced it is but it's not he hasn't seen it before
34:34Let me read one more. Yes. I'm sorry. Yes
34:37He was great. I thought he was great. I thought he was
34:41Yeah, he was weak early. He's like giving you the quick stuff. And then I thought as the thing went along
34:46I think it was catharsis for him. I'm sorry to cut you off, but I thought he was great. Absolutely
34:52You okay. This is Joe Burrow. You try to give your opinion in ways that you feel comes off the best
34:57This is a tough season and the cornerstones of this organization are going to be remembered by more than this season
35:05We will be remembered by how we handle this
35:09It's still an exciting opportunity to go out and play for this city and this team week in and week out
35:15That's something I don't take for granted especially with my injury history
35:20I've been on the sidelines and that's not a fun feeling
35:23I love being out there with the guys for the city the team and the ownership. I love playing
35:30That is Joe Burrow touching so many bases. There is so much there skinny to unpack
35:36Yeah, I think it clearly he understands that hey, I'm playing in an injury-free season man
35:42This doesn't happen to me all the time. I wish it did
35:45I wish I was always going to be this healthy and here I am healthy this year and we're four and eight and
35:52I think he does the one thing
35:54Listen, he said he's a bit of a goofy kid
35:57I but I do believe that but I do believe this he loves
36:03loves loves playing football
36:06He loves no question, he's a guy Mike Mike and as a basketball coach myself high school coach I
36:14Hate this is so crazy. And I think he's in that boat. I hate losing more than I like winning
36:20That's the dumbest thing you could ever hear
36:23But I've always looked at Joe and go I admire you because I think you hate losing more than you like winning
36:28I think you think winning is it's what we're supposed to do. It's what we're it's what we're paid to do
36:33it's what is the byproduct of the work we do and the losing he hates and
36:39I think he's at his wits end with I don't know how to process this anymore because I've never been through this in my life
36:44Never threw it in high school even as a backup at Ohio State never threw it at Ohio State never threw it at LSU
36:51I mean his first year. Yeah, he was he a loser the first year
36:54I guess they got belted around a rookie quarterback in a weird year and that that was gonna be a losing season
36:59No matter what I think him processing that was just him getting his feet wet
37:02So all those things were in play, right? He's a rookie quarterback and then
37:07Second year in the league dude goes to the Super Bowl and realizes this is what this is what you do
37:11So what you win? I'm a winner and all of a sudden now no offense. This isn't on him
37:15Don't take this the wrong way fans. He's now a loser
37:19And I don't know if he understands how to handle that nor should he and I think that's the part of that
37:25I took of I guys I don't understand what losing is about. I'm not about losing
37:30I've never been a loser and yet here you are guy. You're a loser. I'm gonna give you two analogies
37:35Yeah, I was walking out of Paycourt Stadium
37:38after the
37:39game today
37:40And I thought to myself
37:43to dance
37:45Dan Fouts Eric Uriel Dan Marino the 80s Dolphins
37:50Yep, and it's it it has eerie
37:55Overtones great call that remind me of those two quarterbacks Hall of Fame quarterbacks
38:01Obviously Joe Burrow, you know, he hasn't he's very young in his case. He's getting there. Yes
38:06Yes
38:06All of Fame talent anybody who has a pair of eyes can see that
38:11Anybody who has a pair of eyes and has watched football like we have knows that Joe Burrow is a special type of NFL
38:19quarterback
38:20Those two quarterbacks didn't have defenses
38:23And
38:25It was almost
38:27Professional what is the word I want to use here malfeasance? Thanks malfeasance
38:33I don't know if that's the right word, but I gave you a word bike. Oh, I'm gonna give you one off malfeasance
38:40Operational functional malpractice football malpractice fair enough
38:45By not surrounding those two guys
38:48With competent to good defenses that would have at least gotten them to the AFC championship every year now
38:55Dan Fouts did he got to the 80 and everybody remembers of
38:59Ice wall in 81 freezer roll in 81. Yep. That was it
39:03I mean essentially and he fell off the you know cliff in terms of his team's dead
39:10Then you take a look at Marino's Dolphins again. Very very good teams. Oh, I'm worried
39:16Oh my word, obviously, but they just didn't have the defenses
39:21You know the known and actually that was beef assume Marino came on the scene in 83, right? Correct
39:28So that his rookie year would have been
39:34Not the
39:35It would have been the year his rookie year when he went to the Super Bowl. No, I was second year
39:41He's like in the year 84. Yeah 84. That's right. But anyway
39:45You had that no-name Dolphins defense number two version
39:51Obviously not the one from the 70s, but you had that defense that you thought might stick around and then after that
39:59No the cliff off the cliff and it was a different era. Obviously, it wasn't free agency like we have it today
40:04There weren't rookie contracts like we have it today, but it was an era of
40:08They needed to fix those things and neither
40:11organization ever did
40:13You know Dan Fouts even after 81. He had many many more good years
40:18Damn, Reno, obviously after 84 had many many more great years, but to your point
40:24You can't allow this to happen to Joe Burrow. You just cannot he's too good of a player
40:30With and again, I know listen in a perfect world. You'd have T Higgins and Jamar
40:35You're not you're gonna have Jamar and then whatever else and you know what he's gonna do. He's gonna be just fine
40:40He is gonna be just what about keeping Jamar, correct it is but it's not about keeping T
40:45It's about fixing the other side of the football to give them a chance to not have to win every game
40:513835 and guess what? They can't even get to 38 and win games. I
40:56Hope this has been as therapeutic for our audience who obviously very loyal passionate Bengal fans
41:03That's why we have the jungle were skinny Bengals postgame pod to dissect
41:08Everything that took place on
41:10Sunday not just the loss the
41:1344 38 lost at all, but eliminates any playoff
41:16Hope you know for the final five games of the year the Bengals have road games at Dallas at
41:21Tennessee home with Cleveland and Denver finish up at Pittsburgh for an eight look at a half
41:28And I think every Bengal fan today was it today today was it and we all understand that but Burroughs message
41:35After the game about I'm keeping my eyes open both for the front office and
41:40For the players who are either with us or not going to be with us
41:45After this year, I thought that was the biggest takeaway in the world. I'm with you
41:48I used I think all three quotes that huge
41:50I just I wrote my column right before you and I did this podcast
41:53And I think I used all three quotes because I thought they were all poignant
41:56I thought he was really good because you know initially I'm like, okay, Joe
42:00You're gonna give quick answers and I get you're frustrated but man as it went on
42:03I think he decided to say you know what I'm opening this up and I'm just gonna give what I feel where I think this
42:08Needs to go and if if people in the front office and this organization listen
42:13And if they don't they don't but I'm gonna give where I'm at and I thought he was great
42:17All right, what you're working on skinny? That's it
42:20I just got done with my column Mike along those lines of how sobering today's loss was not just because it put a fork in
42:25The season but because it literally showed that you've got a couple of seasons off seasons to overhaul this defense
42:32It's not gonna just take one off season in my opinion Mike. It's gonna be a couple
42:36Can Joe burrow keep you in games in them in the meantime?
42:39Yeah, probably
42:40But I think we're probably faced with more of this if you don't go find a way to fix this defense
42:45And I'm not sure I've got a lot of faith in the front office to go do it
42:48All right. He is Richard Skinner local 12 skinny on the X you can follow him, of course on local 12
42:55Calm be sure to follow all of his Bengals coverage. They are tremendous stuff as always
43:00I will have my column up
43:02on ceiling a Cincy with a y.com my game recap and takeaways already up there with a postgame video from the
43:10Frigid Arctic turf of pay core stadium. It was cold. It was cold. I
43:16How about this skinny?
43:17I said the cold hard facts and the cold hard truth hit the Bengals and Joe burrow in the face
43:23That's why you're the best way it was by the way, by the way
43:26I want I want people to know this Mike was in
43:30the greater Los Angeles area
43:32Yesterday literally yesterday for a wedding tell people who the wedding was for a and be your commit hang on your commitment to your job
43:40Well, I made fun of you today as you know, because I like to make fun of you because you're up Europe
43:44You're making easy you do you make it easier great punching bag?
43:46But your commitment to your job to do what you did to get back to cover this game
43:51I want people to know that because trust me. I don't impress easy Mike
43:55I'm impressed with what you did because I know the sacrifice you made so tell people where you were and what you did to
44:00Come back. Well, my lovely Deborah and
44:03Her oldest daughter was getting married and got married yesterday and in a phenomenal ceremony back in the LA area
44:10So had to go where the Bengals were just two weeks ago
44:14Flew out there on Wednesday
44:17Katie and Paul moon just married in Palisades. Oh
44:23Just a perfect. I've been there backdrop with the Pacific Ocean in the background. It was phenomenal
44:30But it was a lovely lovely ceremony and that was yesterday afternoon at four o'clock Pacific Time
44:37Spent about two and a half hours at the ceremony did a little dancing. Of course got my meal in that's the most important course
44:45Took a an uber over to LAX and it wasn't very far
44:49I must say even for a holiday weekend
44:52It was about a 25 minute uber ride then got on the red-eye at 1010 back to
44:57Cincinnati and got an hour of nap back here at the manse in northeastern, Cincinnati and
45:05Then made my way back down at 9 a.m. To cover the Bengals. You're amazing
45:10You are ridiculous and amazing it did it kills me. It was great. I'm good for you. So Joe Burrow loves football
45:16I love to cover football. I know you don't like skinny. Absolutely. I know you do for sure Mike. It's great stuff
45:21All right, so that will wrap it up for this
45:24Jungle war skinny Bengals postgame pod following a Steelers
45:294438 win by the way, I did not mention this skinny
45:32It was the highest scoring affair between these two teams in the long history of the rivalry
45:38Which today was the 110th meeting between the two old AFC rivals
45:45Norton at no time had 82 points ever been scored. The previous high was 80. Remember the game
45:5380 remember that it's a classic
45:56Bengals were up 31 13
45:59Was it?
46:00No, I say I know you said 19 remember the 19
46:03I was gonna say the game where they scored the screen pass at the end of Martavius Brian
46:07I know that was that was later in the tooth. Okay. No, no, give it to me. I'll lay this one
46:11Well, you know, I love this stuff
46:141995 Riverfront Stadium the Bengals led
46:1731 to 13 and early in the third quarter and the Steelers scored the next I want to get the math, right?
46:2536 points
46:284931 was that a Neil O'Donnell or a or a
46:31What's his name Stewart game Cordell Stewart Cordell Stewart game Wow Wow
46:37I would say I'm gonna guess between
46:4074 and 77 they may not have scored 80 points combined. No
46:45No, no, no, I am absolutely but I
46:49Just thought nobody expected there to be 82 points scored today and that legit
46:54We don't why you play the game skinny. All right, we got to wrap it up. Yeah for sure
46:59He's Richard Skinner skinny get his stuff at local 12.com. I'm Mike Petralia tracks. Follow me on the X
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