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00:00Today's guest is Hiroshi Tachi.
00:03Thank you for coming.
00:06Thank you for having me.
00:08I don't know why you came.
00:10The movie is over.
00:12Abunai Deka.
00:13It was a big hit.
00:17You knew it was going to be a big hit, right?
00:22I thought it was over with Abunai Deka.
00:30Then I came back.
00:32Like Ultraman?
00:34Yes.
00:35Somehow it went well.
00:37I don't know who told you, but you guessed it right.
00:42I changed the script a lot.
00:47I changed it four or five times.
00:49What did you do?
00:53I talked to the director.
00:57What did you do after you came back?
01:01Abunai Deka?
01:02I went out again.
01:04Abunai Deka?
01:05Will it continue?
01:07No, it won't.
01:08Won't it continue?
01:09Yes, I'm tired.
01:13It's been a while since you worked with Kyohei Shibata.
01:16Yes.
01:17How do you feel when you work with him after a long time?
01:21It's just like the old days.
01:24It's just like the old days.
01:25I can feel that atmosphere.
01:26Can you feel it?
01:27The rhythm, tempo, and so on.
01:30Kyohei is the same age as me.
01:32He's one year younger than me.
01:34It's a difference.
01:35It's a difference.
01:36He was sick, but he was fine.
01:39Kyohei is fine.
01:41Kyohei?
01:42He's running a lot.
01:44He's running?
01:45It's a running movie.
01:47I'm not running.
01:48Why?
01:50It's amazing.
01:51He's cool just by looking at this one shot.
01:55Has anything changed?
01:56He's older.
01:57To each other?
01:59No, I'm older.
02:02Really?
02:04Yes, this is now.
02:07You can't say that.
02:08I'm definitely older.
02:10Onko has become more destructive.
02:13Destructive?
02:14I don't know what he's going to do.
02:19Do you call him Onko?
02:21Yes.
02:23How about Toru?
02:25Toru is Toru.
02:27Toru is a Toro animal.
02:29I feel sorry for Ryutan.
02:31If I come here, I can become the old Toru.
02:36That's good.
02:38When he was young.
02:39I'm not the oldest, but I'm still there.
02:42I think this position feels good.
02:45The atmosphere and distance don't change.
02:49I didn't want to be poor in a Japanese movie.
02:52I was told to release a record.
02:54I asked if they would give me money.
02:58At that time, it was 2 million yen.
03:00Tonight, the legend of Hiroshi Tachi's over-handsomeness appears one after another.
03:07I've only eaten once on purpose.
03:11It was about 10 o'clock when I came to the set.
03:15I thought it would be okay at 10 o'clock, so I went to 10 o'clock the next day.
03:19Furthermore.
03:21I told Mr. Ishihara that the president wasn't so cute.
03:27He revealed his secret with Mr. Ishihara Yujiro.
03:32I told him it wasn't the time.
03:36Mr. Tetsuya Watari, the hero of his life.
03:41I've always wanted to make a movie.
03:44I couldn't do my favorite job.
03:50Tsurube and Sawako.
03:53The great seniors of the Showa era.
03:59He was originally from Nagoya.
04:02I was in Harajuku on the train.
04:06It was around here.
04:08Was it the time of Coolus?
04:10It was here.
04:11He looks cool.
04:13He looks bad.
04:15He doesn't look good in this outfit.
04:17He was a bad guy.
04:19In Japan, Sakura and Ichiro's Showa boyfriend was a big hit.
04:24Jaws was released overseas.
04:27It recorded a revenue of 5.1 billion yen.
04:31Showa 50 years.
04:34Coolus, the motorcycle team, debuted as a rock band.
04:39A prosperous entertainment life begins.
04:44At first, I was told to make a movie.
04:46I didn't like Japanese movies because they were boring.
04:49That's Yuta.
04:51I told the producer.
04:53What kind of movies did you make?
04:55War movies? Ninja movies?
04:57I made a ninja movie.
04:59I made a ninja movie.
05:04I thought it didn't matter.
05:07You're an adult if you don't say it out loud.
05:12American movies are better.
05:14That's right.
05:15It's dreamy.
05:17You were only 25 years old.
05:20I was 24 years old.
05:22At first, I didn't want to make a movie.
05:24I refused.
05:28I was told to release a record.
05:32I asked for money.
05:36It was 2 million yen.
05:39For such a newcomer?
05:412 million yen is amazing.
05:43I got it.
05:45So I decided to make a movie.
05:48You said you were 24 years old.
05:50Did you have a job?
05:52No, I was still a student.
05:54Did you become an architect?
05:56Yes, I was a doctor.
05:59I dropped out of medical school.
06:02That's not fair.
06:04I was just playing.
06:06That's not fair.
06:08But you became an architect.
06:10It's hard to be an architect.
06:12I liked painting.
06:14I thought architecture was good.
06:16While I was an architect,
06:18I wandered around Harajuku.
06:20Then I made a movie.
06:22I was scouted.
06:24I was told I could get 2 million yen.
06:26So I started recording.
06:28I started singing.
06:30When I started singing,
06:32I decided to make a movie.
06:34Wait a minute.
06:36You don't know how to sing.
06:38I sang in front of people.
06:40It was a recording studio.
06:42Is that so?
06:44I sang for the first time.
06:46Did you sing a lot when you were young?
06:48Not at all.
06:50Karaoke was not popular at that time.
06:52Neither singing nor acting.
06:54Why did you start a recording company?
06:56You said you wanted to do it.
06:58I thought it was good.
07:00I thought it was good.
07:02You sang in a recording studio.
07:04You sang in a recording studio.
07:06I went to the other side of the glass.
07:08I went to the other side of the glass.
07:10The director was looking down.
07:12He was looking down.
07:14He was looking down.
07:16He said,
07:18Come here.
07:20I listened to the song.
07:22I thought I was bad.
07:24I thought I was bad.
07:26What happened after that?
07:28I was not good.
07:30Did you train?
07:32I didn't train much.
07:34You sang on stage.
07:36You sang on stage.
07:38Did you release a hit song?
07:40Don't cry.
07:42It was a big hit.
07:44I danced until the morning.
07:46You danced in front of the audience on stage.
07:48You danced in front of the audience on stage.
07:50It's a hit.
07:52The audience is kind.
07:54The audience is kind.
07:56I heard a lot.
07:58I heard a lot.
08:00You are an attribute of Mr. Ishihara.
08:02You are an attribute of Mr. Ishihara.
08:04You are a talent.
08:06You are a talent.
08:08Mr. Ishihara is really a genius, but he's not good at acting.
08:14Everyone is bad at it.
08:16Mr. Ishihara, Mr. Watari, me...
08:20Mr. Kanda, Mr. Terao...
08:22Kanda is bad at it too.
08:23Kanda is bad at it too?
08:25I'm not bad at it.
08:27But I have a show.
08:30I have a great show.
08:32The Blue Ribbon Show.
08:34The Montreal Film Festival.
08:36Yes, the Montreal International Film Festival.
08:40I'll go there too.
08:41It's in a foreign country.
08:44I don't think they know how bad I am at speaking.
08:51Of course they know.
08:53So they invited me.
08:54At first, I wasn't a big fan of it.
08:58I wanted to try filming a movie, but I didn't like it.
09:03You didn't like it at all?
09:04Do you ever get late?
09:06No, I don't get late.
09:08You don't?
09:09There was one time I got late on purpose.
09:12I was filming Wild Light.
09:15It was a Kadokawa movie.
09:17It was a Takakura test.
09:18Yes.
09:19I went on time on the first day.
09:22When Mr. Takakura came in, it was around 10.
09:27I thought it was okay to go at 10, so I went at 10 the next day.
09:32The production team stood up in front of the studio.
09:39I asked them why.
09:41They said they were all here.
09:44It was supposed to start at 9, but it was 10.
09:47I thought it was 10 at the time.
09:50I was so angry.
09:51Anyway!
09:53I didn't care who the staff was.
09:57I didn't care if they were cheeky or negative.
10:02I just wanted to go home.
10:04What if they got mad at you?
10:07I decided to quit.
10:08How old were you then?
10:10I was 27.
10:11Before you joined the Ishara Corps?
10:13Yes.
10:14And then?
10:15I didn't say anything.
10:17You didn't get mad at anyone?
10:19No.
10:20If they got mad at me, I just went home.
10:22How was Mr. Takakura?
10:24I don't remember much.
10:26Mr. Takakura didn't get mad at anyone.
10:29I don't know.
10:30Everyone was hiding it.
10:32I don't know if Mr. Takakura got mad at me.
10:34I'm sure you thought it was him.
10:37Did we get along?
10:39Yes, we did.
10:41I'm so angry.
10:43You should have said something.
10:45I didn't say anything.
10:47Did you have any aspirations for the Japanese film industry?
10:50Did you think,
10:51this is the person I want to work with?
10:54Not at all.
10:56I made my debut in Toei.
10:59I won't say his name,
11:01but I wanted to work with him.
11:06I said hello to him.
11:07I said,
11:08we're going to work together.
11:10We were sitting on the sofa.
11:12I said,
11:13good luck.
11:16I thought.
11:18You thought it was a bad feeling.
11:20Mr. Watari was the first.
11:22It was after that, right?
11:24After that.
11:25I met Mr. Watari.
11:27And then, I changed.
11:29Oh, really?
11:30Yes.
11:32The bestseller,
11:33a car selection full of mistakes was released.
11:37Pink Lady,
11:38Nagisa's Sindbad was a big hit.
11:42After that,
11:43it sold 1.45 million copies.
11:45In 1952,
11:47he appeared in the drama,
11:49Western Police.
11:51I met Mr. Tetsuya Watari.
11:54And then,
11:55Mr. Tachi changed.
11:57I was going to do Western Police.
12:00Western Police was Ishihara's group.
12:02Yes.
12:03There was a press conference at the museum.
12:06At that time,
12:07Mr. Watari was the only one
12:09Before the press conference,
12:12I wanted to meet him at a cafe nearby.
12:15I said,
12:16I'll go.
12:17I went 15 minutes before the press conference.
12:21Mr. Watari was already there.
12:24When I went in,
12:26he stood up and shook my hand.
12:29He said,
12:30I'm Mr. Watari.
12:31He shook my hand.
12:32I thought,
12:33he was a little different.
12:35At the press conference,
12:37I thought there were only people like him.
12:40He was a very polite person.
12:42Yes.
12:43When you first met him,
12:45you thought,
12:46this person is...
12:47I thought he was amazing.
12:49After that,
12:50you joined the Ishihara group.
12:52Yes.
12:53After that,
12:54I did Western Police for half a year.
12:57I wanted to go back to the movie.
13:00So I went back to the movie.
13:02After about two years,
13:05he asked me to go back to the Ishihara group.
13:08I said,
13:09okay.
13:10After that,
13:11I was called back by Mr. Watari.
13:14After that,
13:15Mr. Watari was your big brother.
13:20Yes.
13:21He was my boss.
13:22From the day you first met him,
13:24you thought Mr. Watari was your big brother.
13:28He was my boss.
13:29After joining the Ishihara group,
13:31you didn't care about Mr. Ishihara.
13:33I didn't care about him.
13:35I just wanted to follow Mr. Watari.
13:37You didn't care about him.
13:40You didn't.
13:41You were a little bold.
13:42You said it right.
13:43You were more concerned about Mr. Watari than Mr. Ishihara.
13:46Yes.
13:47Until then,
13:48I was in the same agency as Mr. Watari.
13:52I wasn't a professional Ishihara.
13:54After I did the 2nd Western Police for a while,
14:00Mr. Kobayashi.
14:01He was famous.
14:02Mr. Kobayashi.
14:03He told me to join the Ishihara group.
14:07I told that to Mr. Watari.
14:09You consulted with Mr. Watari.
14:11I told Mr. Watari that I was told by my boss.
14:14Mr. Watari said,
14:15Hiroshi,
14:16I'll take care of this.
14:18That's cool.
14:20That's amazing.
14:22Don't talk to him.
14:25I'll do what I have to do,
14:28so don't talk to Mr. Kobayashi.
14:30Mr. Kobayashi and Mr. Watari decided what to do with me.
14:36You became a perfect guarantor.
14:38Until then,
14:39Mr. Ishihara and Mr. Watari were managed by Mr. Kobayashi.
14:47Mr. Watari said,
14:48Mr. Ishihara,
14:51Mr. Watari,
14:52and me.
14:53These three people,
14:55Mr. Kobayashi,
14:56you do it directly.
14:58The reason is that
15:00all three of us made our debut in a movie.
15:03We are old-fashioned people,
15:04so it's important to be a movie actor.
15:07So my management was done by Mr. Kobayashi.
15:12You can talk to Mr. Watari about that.
15:15Ishihara group.
15:16You haven't talked to Mr. Ishihara about that, have you?
15:19No, I haven't.
15:20What are you going to do?
15:22Isn't it the Ishihara group?
15:23That's right.
15:25I've been following Mr. Watari for a long time.
15:29In the morning, Mr. Ishihara and Mr. Watari came from over there.
15:34I was lazy,
15:37but I said good morning to Mr. Watari.
15:39Then I said good morning to Mr. Ishihara.
15:41So I thought Mr. Ishihara wasn't funny.
15:45That's right.
15:46It's the Ishihara group.
15:47Even if it's a lie,
15:48you say good morning to Mr. Ishihara,
15:50and then you say good morning to Mr. Watari.
15:52That's the opposite.
15:54What's worse is that
15:56when I first worked for the Seibu Police,
16:00I was 28 years old.
16:02Before you joined the Ishihara group?
16:04Before I joined.
16:05When I went to the scene,
16:07I sat in the director's chair,
16:09and Mr. Ishihara was behind me.
16:11And Mr. Watari was sitting next to me.
16:13There were two white chairs.
16:15Until then, I was always sitting in the black director's chair
16:21so I put the chair next to me.
16:24Mr. Ishihara passed by and said,
16:26whose chair is this?
16:28I said, it's my chair.
16:30The staff were very worried.
16:32They said,
16:33Tachi-kun has a bad back.
16:36They said a lot of things.
16:39I was a bit cocky.
16:42I don't have a bad back.
16:44You protected me.
16:47Then they said it was 10 years early.
16:49Other people were older than me.
16:52You didn't bring anything.
16:54I was a bit cocky.
16:56You were cocky?
16:58Mr. Ishihara.
16:59Mr. Ishihara was cocky.
17:01I said, it's not the time for that.
17:03You told Mr. Ishihara,
17:05it's not the time for that.
17:07He said,
17:08I see, it's not the time for that.
17:11That's the big thing.
17:13Isn't it amazing?
17:14Amazing.
17:15Now that I think about it, it's even more amazing.
17:17It's that time.
17:18You must have been nervous.
17:20I was nervous.
17:22So I decided to join Ishihara Pro.
17:25I was invited by Watari.
17:28With Hiroshi.
17:29Until then,
17:30everyone called Mr. Ishihara the president.
17:32Mr. Ishihara.
17:33I kept calling him Mr. Ishihara.
17:35Hiroshi.
17:37You're not coming to Watari Pro.
17:41You're coming to Ishihara Pro.
17:44I understood.
17:45From tomorrow,
17:46everyone will call Mr. Ishihara the president.
17:49You made up your mind.
17:50Yes, I made up my mind.
17:52At that time,
17:53Mr. Watari said,
17:54Hiroshi,
17:55I think it's better for you to do it alone from now on.
17:58I'm sure you'll have a hard time in Ishihara Pro,
18:02but let's both lick each other's wounds.
18:06But if there are a lot of people in one form,
18:10there are many things.
18:11But there are also good things.
18:13That's right.
18:14After all, everyone is weak.
18:16There are weak people.
18:20That's the strength of Ishihara Pro.
18:23Mr. Watari,
18:24in a sense,
18:25there may be good things for the Ishihara Corps,
18:27but did you have a lot of scars?
18:29Actually, it wasn't TV.
18:31Mr. Watari has always wanted to make movies.
18:34However,
18:35considering the company's economy and management,
18:38it is better to do TV
18:40and produce in Ishihara Pro.
18:42Since I became rich,
18:44I couldn't do my favorite job.
18:47Even if there is a movie offer,
18:49if there is a series of TV dramas,
18:51it will be taken.
18:53It's hard to go to that position.
18:55I have to wear it myself.
18:57Even if I don't want to do it,
18:59I have to do it for everyone.
19:01I'm sure there was a lot of pain like that.
19:07But Mr. Watari said,
19:09I think I'm in the Ishihara Pro.
19:11I said, yes, I understand.
19:13You didn't regret it much, did you?
19:15Not really.
19:18At one time,
19:19Mr. Watari was a little worried about it.
19:22I have a lot of distance from Mr. Ishihara.
19:25At that time,
19:26I went to Hawaii every year.
19:29You liked Hawaii, so you went to Ishihara.
19:31I was doing it on TV.
19:33At one time,
19:34the New Year's holiday was over,
19:36and I was asked if there was anything after this.
19:38At that time, the government construction was over.
19:41I said,
19:43I'll stay in Hawaii for about a month.
19:49I'll be the president's driver.
19:51He said, I understand.
19:53I didn't like it.
19:55No, no, I'm a comfortable driver.
19:58I went to eat with Mr. Hiroshi.
20:02I went to Okayama with him.
20:04I went to the golf course with him.
20:06You went with Mr. Ishihara.
20:09On the last day,
20:11we had a drink at a bar in a villa in Hawaii.
20:16We had a drink.
20:17At that time,
20:20I told Mr. Ishihara,
20:22I told Mr. Ishihara,
20:24I told Mr. Ishihara,
20:26I told Mr. Ishihara,
20:28I told Mr. Ishihara,
20:30I told Mr. Ishihara,
20:34I lined up three cups.
20:38Vertically?
20:39Yes.
20:40I was looking at Mr. Watari's back.
20:44Mr. Watari was looking at the president's back.
20:47If I came here diagonally,
20:49I could see their backs.
20:51I wanted to follow Mr. Watari straight.
20:54I said, I can't see the president over there.
20:58I think following Mr. Watari
21:00is following Mr. Ishihara.
21:02He understood that.
21:04He understood that.
21:06But he was not a good person.
21:08He was not a good person.
21:10I didn't want to say anything honestly.
21:13Would you say that to your master?
21:15No.
21:16To your disciple?
21:17I wouldn't say that to my disciple.
21:19For example,
21:20For example,
21:22your disciple wouldn't talk to you.
21:25I wouldn't care at all.
21:27I wouldn't care at all.
21:29In this ceremony,
21:32the person who worshiped me
21:35is my disciple's disciple.
21:37It's been going on for a long time.
21:39I don't think so.
21:40Your disciple's disciple is your disciple's disciple.
21:43Yes, he's my disciple's disciple.
21:45You're going crazy.
21:47Yes, that's right.
21:48The first thing I said was,
21:50for example,
21:51Shouhei's disciple,
21:52Shouhei's disciple,
21:53is going to Shouhei.
21:54Otherwise, it would be strange.
21:56He's going to Shouhei's back.
21:58I didn't say that at all.
21:59You said it was right.
22:01It was right, but it was a little different.
22:04If he were an adult,
22:06he would say,
22:08he would say,
22:10Ishihara Yujiro.
22:13Is Ishihara Yujiro
22:15also an aura?
22:18Ishihara is really an aura.
22:21Is that so?
22:22He's a really big person.
22:24Didn't he have an irritated face?
22:26I don't think so.
22:28You've been told so many things.
22:30You've been told,
22:32I can't see your back.
22:34At first, you said I wasn't cute.
22:36That's right.
22:37But after you said that in Hawaii,
22:40the distance between you and Ishihara
22:42gradually changed.
22:44No, I think you can understand.
22:45This kind of man
22:47has no belly
22:49and is straight.
22:51I think it's funny.
22:54No, he was really cute.
22:56Did he warn you about acting?
22:59Ishihara doesn't talk about acting at all.
23:02No?
23:03No one talks about acting.
23:06If you talk about acting,
23:08you'll be laughed at.
23:10But he has a small business.
23:12Like the Montreal film festival you mentioned earlier.
23:15That's a subtitle supermarket,
23:18so it doesn't matter.
23:21After this.
23:23It exploded.
23:25It was a fire all over the sky.
23:27He blew up a ship.
23:29He blew up a ship?
23:31He didn't have to blow it up that much.
23:33A great man of the Showa era,
23:35Ishihara's explosion day.
23:37I was watching my own play,
23:39and I had a similar expression.
23:43It's a way of acting.
23:45I see.
23:49In the end,
23:51you were with Ishihara
23:53until he closed his business.
23:55Yes.
23:56I thought my life
23:58was up to me.
24:00Didn't you want to quit?
24:02You didn't want to quit Ishihara,
24:04or this business,
24:06or this industry.
24:08I thought it was okay
24:10to quit acting at any time.
24:12It's a dangerous industry,
24:14but aren't you happy
24:16to see so many people
24:18coming into the industry?
24:20Aren't you happy
24:22to see so many people
24:24coming into the industry?
24:26That's right.
24:28There are a lot of people
24:30coming into the industry.
24:32Even though there are so many movies,
24:34there are a lot of people
24:36coming into the industry.
24:38I was very grateful.
24:41Do you know what this looks like?
24:43It looks like a cell phone.
24:45It looks like a flip phone.
24:47I don't know what you're doing.
24:49I thought it was a pachinko.
24:51A pachinko?
24:53It was a time like that.
24:55It's changed a lot.
24:57Even now,
24:59when I look at this world.
25:01Ishihara Pro is one thing.
25:03It's a style called Ishihara Pro.
25:05You have to get used to it
25:07in order to live.
25:09What was interesting about it?
25:11Well...
25:13Well...
25:15It was really interesting.
25:17No matter what you do,
25:19you have to be serious about stupid things.
25:21Like making it explode?
25:23Explosions are normal.
25:25Explosions are normal.
25:27When Ishihara Pro was filmed,
25:29they said,
25:31you can't do anything.
25:33Really?
25:35You can't do anything.
25:37I did a lot of stupid things.
25:39Didn't someone die?
25:41Explosion.
25:43I didn't die.
25:45You didn't die.
25:47I didn't die.
25:49I didn't die.
25:51You used three times
25:53the explosive of Sumidagawa fireworks.
25:55I don't know how much
25:57Sumidagawa fireworks use.
25:59Once,
26:01there was an explosion in Hokkaido.
26:03I was the type
26:05to go out of the car.
26:07I was in the shadow of a motorcycle.
26:09It was dangerous,
26:11so I tried to go behind the car door.
26:13I was in the shadow of a motorcycle.
26:15Then,
26:17it exploded.
26:19The whole sky was on fire.
26:21The whole sky was on fire.
26:25The fire was higher than
26:27I thought.
26:29The fire was higher than
26:31I thought.
26:33When I looked at the door,
26:35there was a hole like this.
26:37Oh, no.
26:39If it wasn't there,
26:41it would have exploded here.
26:43I didn't know where the fireworks would fly.
26:45I didn't know where the fireworks would fly.
26:47It was amazing.
26:49It was amazing.
26:51It was like a service.
26:53It was like a service.
26:55It was crazy.
26:57It was like a service.
26:59It was like a service.
27:01It was like a service.
27:03It was like a service.
27:05It was like a service.
27:07It was like a service.
27:09The problem was that
27:11when it sank,
27:13we had to return it.
27:15It was hard to pull it up.
27:17It was okay until it exploded,
27:19but we had to dissolve it right away.
27:21Before it sank.
27:23When I said,
27:25cut,
27:27it came out and dissolved.
27:29Then, I assembled a hose
27:31from seawater.
27:33It went well when I did it on the port.
27:35Then, I decided to run.
27:37Then, I decided to run.
27:39Then, I assembled water.
27:41Then, I assembled water.
27:43Then, I assembled water.
27:45It will bounce.
27:47It won't suck up the water.
27:49By then,
27:51there was a man named Ponkotsu.
27:53there was a man named Ponkotsu.
27:55I was wondering what to do.
27:57I said,
27:59Ponkotsu, you should cling to that thing.
28:04To the horse?
28:05Yes, to the horse.
28:06I said, you should become its weight.
28:08But the horse is running, right?
28:10Yes, it's running.
28:11It's like this.
28:12It's a horse of this size.
28:14I grabbed it and kept going.
28:16But still, the horse is strong.
28:20It doesn't give up.
28:21Ponkotsu-kun also jumped.
28:22Ponkotsu-kun also jumped.
28:25It's huge.
28:27It's a terrible company, isn't it?
28:29No, no, no.
28:30So I thought about it.
28:32I took the horse from here,
28:34and from here,
28:35with a rope,
28:37I made the horse go around the boat.
28:40I said, this is OK.
28:42And finally, I was able to do it.
28:43You were able to do it.
28:44It's like playing in an elementary school playground.
28:46Yes, yes.
28:47So I said, first of all,
28:49you should go and cling to it.
28:51It's very primitive.
28:52It's primitive.
28:53It's primitive.
28:54Someone is dead, right?
28:56No, I'm not dead.
28:57I really wasn't dead.
28:59I'm hiding it.
29:00There was someone who looked like he was going to die.
29:02Was he injured?
29:03Yes, he was a stuntman.
29:05He jumped over a river in a car.
29:09He jumped over a river in a car.
29:11He jumped over the BRDZ.
29:13There was a sign, and he jumped over it.
29:15The worst part was that he fell like this.
29:19In front of you.
29:21The worst part was that he fell like this.
29:25If he jumped from his head...
29:26It was dangerous.
29:27He wanted to fall like this.
29:29So I put a little more weight on his back than I thought.
29:33You put more weight on his back.
29:35Then he jumped, but...
29:39Actually, he wanted to fall like this.
29:41But he fell like this.
29:42Because it was heavy, he couldn't jump.
29:44Yes, yes.
29:45He couldn't stand up.
29:46Then he fell like this.
29:48No, no, no.
29:49You have to check it over and over again before you jump.
29:52But it was a one-shot game.
29:54It was a one-shot game.
29:55Really.
29:56And then...
29:58He was a stuntman.
30:00He died.
30:02He had fractures all over his body.
30:04Fractures all over his body.
30:06He was like this.
30:08And then he came to the office.
30:12He had a cast around his neck.
30:16All over his body.
30:17So everyone was shocked.
30:19He couldn't get up.
30:20Poor guy.
30:21No, no, no.
30:22Everyone was laughing at that.
30:24Terrible.
30:25Terrible, right?
30:26Terrible, right?
30:27You pushed him, didn't you?
30:28Yes, I pushed him.
30:29It was a group of men.
30:31It was a group of men.
30:32It was really fun.
30:33Really.
30:34That was when Ishihara died.
30:37No, Ishihara was still alive.
30:41But when that happened, Ishihara said,
30:43No, I don't want to do that anymore.
30:47He didn't say that?
30:48No, he didn't.
30:50Once,
30:52we did a program where we made curry for hundreds of people.
30:57We made curry with broth.
30:59Ishihara's group?
31:00Yes.
31:01And we put beef in a big pot and put it in a melt conveyor.
31:07Some people do that.
31:08Some people do that.
31:09Some people do that.
31:12But the fire was weak.
31:14It didn't get warm at all.
31:16It didn't get warm at all.
31:17It didn't boil.
31:18We did that on a TV show.
31:21In the end, we couldn't make curry,
31:24so we bought curry from around there and made it there.
31:28Ishihara-san and Wataru-san, the three of us were walking,
31:32and the executive came and said,
31:34I'm sorry.
31:36Ishihara-san said,
31:38You're stupid.
31:41Did Kobayashi-san come up with that idea?
31:45Yes, Kobayashi-san.
31:46He was an interesting person.
31:49He was a fun person.
31:52Ishihara-san's group has a sense of humor.
31:56That's right.
31:57He was famous, but I didn't think he had such an idea.
32:01He often came to the disaster area and the waterfall.
32:04Yes, he came to the disaster area.
32:06Did you all decide to go together?
32:09You were at a pretty early stage, weren't you?
32:11I was suddenly bored, so I was always making food.
32:17Gradually, it escalated and became takidashi.
32:22When we were shooting, we always had takidashi for lunch.
32:28It kept going down.
32:30We bought a lot of things.
32:32Like a rice cake maker.
32:35We made a rice cake maker.
32:37We also made a roasted sweet potato machine.
32:39I told him to buy a camera.
32:42We're a production company.
32:45I told him not to buy a camera.
32:47A rice cake maker.
32:49It's hard to make a roasted sweet potato machine.
32:51You put it somewhere and set it up.
32:54A crane car for that.
32:56A crane car?
32:57Because it's heavy.
32:58Because it's big?
32:59Because it's big.
33:00You told him to buy a camera?
33:01Yes, I told him to buy a camera.
33:02You told him to make a movie.
33:04It was like volunteering on the way.
33:09That's right.
33:11But the people in the disaster area must have been happy.
33:14Mr. Watari and Mr. Tachi came in directly.
33:18Only the Ishihara Corps could do that.
33:20That's right.
33:22I'm really happy that there are so many members and so many styles.
33:27Is that so?
33:29Are you confident?
33:31I'm not confident.
33:33I'm not confident.
33:35He talks about his passion for Mr. Tetsuya Watari.
33:39Basically, I wonder what Mr. Tetsuya Watari would do.
33:43When I watch my own play, I have a similar expression.
33:48It's the way of acting.
33:50If I can do it as an actor now, it's thanks to Mr. Tetsuya Watari.
33:59If it wasn't for Mr. Tetsuya Watari, I don't know what I'd be doing now.
34:08Mr. Tachi and I sometimes meet at the golf course.
34:12We wear hunting boots and practice putting.
34:16I think, Oh, it's Mr. Tachi.
34:18Do you still play golf?
34:20Yes.
34:21I'm getting worse and worse.
34:23What?
34:24That's right. I'm getting worse.
34:26I don't fly anymore.
34:27The more I don't fly, the better the machine is.
34:29I manage to keep it.
34:31But I can't fly as much as I used to.
34:34Does that mean your level is high?
34:36That's right.
34:37No, no, no.
34:39It's not good at all.
34:41Is rugby the sport you've played the most?
34:46It's just rugby.
34:48Actually, I thought it would be cool if I could do something like mechanical gymnastics or backspin.
34:54Then I went to the ground and the captain came.
34:58He told me to play rugby from tomorrow.
35:01I said yes.
35:02I don't know if he's rebellious or honest.
35:05I don't know.
35:06It depends on the person.
35:08If this person tells me to do it, I'll do it.
35:10That's right.
35:11After that, I played rugby.
35:12Was it fun to try it?
35:13The first month was hard.
35:15But after that, I enjoyed it.
35:17So I failed in medical school.
35:21But your father was strict, wasn't he?
35:24My father was strict.
35:26How many generations do you have?
35:30Nine generations.
35:32It's an old family.
35:33Are they all doctors?
35:35No, no.
35:36Until my great-grandfather, I didn't do anything.
35:41You didn't do anything?
35:44In the old days, there was a saying.
35:47You can eat at a bank with interest.
35:50Was it like that?
35:51You didn't work?
35:53Yes.
35:54If I worked, I would lose all my property.
35:57I could live off my wife.
35:59So you didn't work.
36:00I didn't work.
36:01So I didn't have the ability to work.
36:05My grandfather said I couldn't do it.
36:09So I went to Nagoya Institute of Technology.
36:16It's a small town in Tokyo.
36:19I went to the Department of Engineering.
36:21I was poor at that time.
36:23But I got my first salary from a bank.
36:28It was a great thing.
36:30I bought a lot of land in Nagoya.
36:34I was a prefect.
36:35You were a prefect?
36:36Yes.
36:37My grandfather wanted to make his son a doctor.
36:41So he made my father and my uncle a doctor.
36:48My father's brother was a medical student at Nagoya University.
36:52When he graduated, he was sentenced to death penalty.
36:56At that time, there was a drug called streptomycin.
36:59It's a special drug.
37:01I bought it and left most of the land.
37:07So you became poor at once.
37:10I was poor.
37:12It was tough.
37:14Did it help you?
37:16No, it didn't.
37:18My father became a doctor.
37:21That's amazing.
37:22Was your father a surgeon?
37:24Originally, he was a surgeon.
37:27I went to a hospital called NTT.
37:32I joined the hospital when I was in junior high school.
37:35Were you the eldest son?
37:36Yes, I was.
37:37So you naturally became a doctor.
37:39I was told to become a doctor since I was a child.
37:41Everyone around me told me to become a doctor.
37:46But you had good grades, didn't you?
37:48Yes, I did.
37:49So you naturally became a doctor.
37:51I thought so.
37:52But I failed a little in junior high school.
37:55You must have had a lot of trouble with your friends.
37:59I don't think so.
38:01So what did you major in?
38:03I majored in architecture.
38:05That's amazing.
38:06I didn't know that.
38:08If you start something, you can't stop.
38:12Do you want to build something?
38:14With your own design?
38:19It's going to cost a lot of money, so I don't want to do it.
38:22I don't think it's as good as Mr. Kobayashi's design.
38:25If you put down the gunpowder, you can build it.
38:30What else do you think is wonderful about Mr. Watari?
38:34There are so many things that I don't know.
38:36You don't know?
38:37I have a lot in common with him.
38:40He has a good face.
38:42When was this?
38:43It was after I was 5.
38:46If I could be an actor now, it would be thanks to Mr. Watari.
38:56If it weren't for Mr. Watari, I don't know what I would be doing now.
39:01That's true.
39:03But do you feel like you think of Mr. Watari that much?
39:07I feel like I keep thinking of him.
39:09That's the only thing I have now.
39:13I think it's because of Mr. Watari.
39:15How do you feel now that Mr. Watari is gone?
39:17I'm fine with that.
39:19Do you feel lost?
39:21Yes, I do.
39:23Do you feel anxious?
39:24I wonder what Mr. Watari would do if he were here.
39:32Mr. Tachi played the role of the Yakuza boss.
39:38When I was thinking about how to play Mr. Watari,
39:42Mr. Tachi told me that Mr. Watari would be like this.
39:47Sometimes, when I watch my own plays,
39:51I feel like I look like Mr. Watari.
39:55I'm not good at acting.
39:59You're not good at it.
40:01But Mr. Watari has been in a lot of good movies.
40:05Yes, he's been in good movies and he's good at acting.
40:09I'll leave it at that.
40:12What's the best movie you've ever seen?
40:16The best movie I've ever seen?
40:20I don't think there are many.
40:21Don't be so sure.
40:23There must be.
40:24I don't think there are many.
40:26I always think I'm not good at it.
40:32When I act with other actors,
40:38I feel like I'm good at it.
40:41I'm impressed and I'm fascinated.
40:44When you were riding a motorcycle in the first movie,
40:49were you more confident?
40:53I'm not confident.
40:55You're not confident?
40:56I've never been confident.
40:59At that time, there was a person called Enki Jim.
41:05He said to me on the first day,
41:08you don't have to memorize the lines.
41:12What?
41:13You don't have to memorize the lines?
41:15Yes.
41:16And then he kept saying,
41:18you don't have to memorize the lines.
41:20Who told you that?
41:22I remember it now.
41:24On the first day, I was reading the script.
41:30Did you read it?
41:31I don't know if I did.
41:34You said okay.
41:36I don't care about the lines.
41:39I see.
41:40I don't know if I can support the screen.
41:46Tsurube also said that.
41:47Tsurube also supports me when I act.
41:51I can only see Tsurube.
41:53You don't feel like you remember the lines at all.
41:56I remember the lines.
41:57Do you remember?
41:58I don't think I remember.
42:00Well...
42:02In the past, I used to put a lot of stickers on it.
42:07Like Mr. Mikinori.
42:09I used to write while walking on the ground.
42:12Did you do that?
42:13Yes.
42:14I can see that.
42:15I was thinking about it.
42:18The bad thing was that I was standing on the next line.
42:23By yourself?
42:24Yes, I was standing on the next line.
42:27That's why it's NG.
42:29That's strange.
42:31Why did you want to be NG?
42:34You suddenly changed your attitude.
42:37After this, Mr. Tachihiroshi asked Tsurube a question.
42:43I quit acting to get married.
42:47Right after you became a disciple?
42:49Yes.
42:53Why did you want to be NG?
42:56You suddenly changed your attitude.
42:59Thank you very much.
43:01I made a NG club when I was in high school.
43:04After that, I went to college and joined the NG club.
43:07After two years, I quit acting to get married.
43:12Did you fall in love?
43:14Yes.
43:15That's a good story.
43:18I quit acting to get married.
43:22Then I became a disciple.
43:24I wanted to be a NG.
43:26I had a goal.
43:29I had to pass the audition.
43:35I passed all the auditions.
43:38From radio to TV.
43:41In Osaka?
43:42Yes.
43:43Right after you became a disciple?
43:45Yes.
43:46I became a disciple in 1943.
43:48I was popular in 1949.
43:50That's how I became NG.
43:54I joined the NG club in 1944.
43:57I joined the NG club in 1947.
44:00After two years, I passed the audition.
44:03After two years, I got married.
44:08I'm still with the NG club.
44:10If I want to be a NG, I have to pass the audition.
44:15Did you act with Sayuri Yoshinaga?
44:18Yes, I did.
44:20Who was the guest?
44:23Please listen to me more.
44:26I love Tachi.
44:28When I listen to him, I feel relieved.
44:32He laughs shyly.
44:35Everyone laughs.
44:37I didn't know there was an actor like him in Japan.
44:42Tachi gets more and more handsome as he gets older.
44:46That's true.
44:48I'm getting old.
44:50Tachi gets more and more handsome as he gets older.
44:55I think so.
44:57Have you changed?
45:00No, I haven't.
45:02If I have changed, it's because of Mr. Watari.
45:05It's because of Mr. Watari.
45:08What do you value?
45:11How do you live?
45:13I learned how to deal with people and how to be considerate.
45:21Mr. Watari is really amazing.
45:25He hasn't changed much in his age,
45:29but it's amazing that he can make people feel that way.
45:34Mr. Watari loves bonfires.
45:38That's right.
45:40He loves bonfires.
45:42He's really loud.
45:44He loves the smoke coming out of the bonfire.
45:51He doesn't like the smoke coming out of the bonfire.
45:55He likes the smoke coming out of the bonfire.
45:59He does that in his garden.
46:02He stares at the bonfire.
46:05I don't understand that.
46:07You don't understand?
46:10Hiroshi Tachi is 74 years old.
46:14He talks about his current life and his future dreams.
46:20Is there anything you still want to do?
46:23A dream you want to come true?
46:25I want to make a movie.
46:29Do you film yourself?
46:31I don't think I have the talent to be a director.
46:33I don't have the talent to be an actor either.
46:35I'd like to produce and make a movie.
46:41But I can't do it all at once.
46:44You said you wanted to make a movie with Mr. Watari.
46:49But you've never done it.
46:50I've never made a movie with him.
46:52I didn't know that.
46:54I've never made a movie with him.
46:57Mr. Ishihara said he would make a movie with me.
47:02He said he would make a movie with me.
47:06He said he would make a movie with me.
47:08He said he would make a movie with me.
47:13I was a little worried.
47:17Don't say that.
47:20I'm glad everyone said that.
47:23Then you have to make a movie.
47:25I have to make a movie.
47:27I'm putting in some money now.
47:30I'm putting in some money now.
47:32You're like a producer.
47:34I'm like a producer.
47:36That's interesting.
47:38But you have to take responsibility.
47:40You've been making money from the Dangerous Decker series.
47:42You've been making money from the Dangerous Decker series.
47:44You've been making money from the Dangerous Decker series.
47:45That's a nasty way of saying it.
47:47What kind of day was it for you today?
47:51I met two people I love.
47:55It was a wonderful day.
47:58You're so shy.
48:00You're both so shy.
48:03I'm not.
48:05Tachi is shy.
48:07If Tachi said so.
48:09I love her.
48:11You're so manly.
48:13I want to be hugged by a man.
48:15You want to be hugged by Tachi?
48:17I thought it'd be nice if I was hugged by Tachi.
48:19Please give him a hug.
48:21No.
48:23最後に昭和の大先輩 太刀博さんからの人生のお言葉
48:32真摯太刀 太刀博
48:41次回は松本隆さん
48:43能知秀夫のお母さんみたいな
48:46風を集めての村話を告白
48:49歌って?
48:50いや歌えないです
48:52イジリタイスあるよね
48:55お楽しみに
48:56自分の知らないうちに自分のシッパ食ってんの
49:01君たち髪が長すぎる
49:04また形から入ってんだ
49:06好きをもっと自由にBS12デュエル日