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00:00Now back to Stiney and Gurum on 95.7 The Game.
00:05Alrighty, it is crossover time.
00:07Let's welcome in Mark Willard and Dan Dibley along with Evan Giddings.
00:11What's going on, gentlemen? How you doing?
00:13Hi, boys.
00:14Y'all sound good today.
00:16Hey, we had fun.
00:17You having fun, Evan?
00:18Trying.
00:19Okay, good.
00:20What's the whole point of this?
00:22Well, I had to remind him.
00:23He was like, well, you know, we're on till 2 today.
00:25I'm like, no, 2-12, brother. We got the crossover.
00:27Well, now why would that even come up?
00:29Evan knows the schedule of the station.
00:31Why'd you have to tell him that we're on till 2?
00:33Was there something going on?
00:34It was a throwaway line.
00:36Okay.
00:37And, you know, I have a buddy that we golf with, Del Boyle.
00:42Yeah.
00:43And he's a great guy, and he just calls me 10-2.
00:4710-2.
00:4810-2.
00:49That's a long shift.
00:50Yeah, 10-2-12.
00:51That's fine.
00:52That's a long shift.
00:53Yeah, Del had a little bit of a scuffle on Sunday.
00:55Del is struggling a little bit.
00:57Del?
00:58Yeah, not his finest hour.
01:00Well, it wasn't mine either.
01:02What did he call you when you were noon to 3?
01:04Signing.
01:05Okay.
01:06Perfect.
01:08That makes perfect sense.
01:10Shout out, Del.
01:11We had a good show today.
01:13We had a lot of fun.
01:14We started talking about something we didn't talk a lot about yesterday.
01:17I'm not sure if you guys did or not.
01:19The Kyle Shanahan chat talk with Brock Purdy after the game with the reporters around.
01:26I don't think it's a big deal at all.
01:29I didn't know it was a thing until Ross Tucker sort of made it sound to you like it might have been a thing.
01:34What?
01:35No, not a thing, but just odd.
01:37Well, it's funny because I read a lot of the stuff out there, and some people describe the conversation as,
01:46well, Kyle looked frustrated.
01:48Okay.
01:49Yeah.
01:50You got B-28-18, this, that, and the other thing.
01:54The one thing he did say was, I think you handle every player different.
01:59You know what I mean?
02:00I'll bet you he didn't talk to Garoppolo right after games.
02:03I don't know if he talked to Garoppolo at all.
02:05He couldn't even get that guy on the phone.
02:07I mean, if it's Aaron Rodgers, you probably don't say a word to him until the next day.
02:11You know what I mean?
02:12Depends.
02:13Every player is different.
02:14Having coached for 25 years and been in spots with mostly youth players where every player is different.
02:21And I coached a guy named Tahan, Tahan Minnikov, who turned out to be two-time player of the year.
02:27And when he was younger and we would lose, if you wanted to approach him, you probably would get assaulted.
02:34He ran hotter than I run, and I run hot.
02:36And so with that player, when we would lose, including famously, we lost to St. Ignatius in a preseason game.
02:43Sure.
02:44Still talking about it.
02:45Well, we split the first four sets, and he's hot.
02:48So we go up there, and he's my captain.
02:50And I send him over for the coin toss, and it's across the court.
02:53And we split four sets, and we probably should have won in four, but we didn't.
02:56And all of a sudden, I see the referee hold up the red and the yellow, which means he's been ejected.
03:02He got ejected in the coin toss.
03:04This young man bursts from the—it wasn't her fault, I guarantee you.
03:10He bursts from the stand, and he goes right out the door, kicks the door open,
03:16kicks the other door open, and he is gone on to Sunset.
03:19Who knows where he is?
03:20And I'm like, Iguodala, palms up.
03:23So that individual, I wouldn't have gone to after that match and said,
03:27Hey, you know, here's some things that I thought that you could have done better.
03:30So everyone's different.
03:32And for Brock and Kyle, for Kyle to go over to Brock after that game is perfectly appropriate and say,
03:38Look, I mean, I saw some things and stuff that maybe you could have checked down,
03:42and you hang in there, and we'll get him next time, or whatever he did, whatever he said.
03:47The fact that all the reporters were behind him is the awkward part of it.
03:51Except for it doesn't—you know what I mean?
03:54This isn't Brock's first tough moment in the NFL, and he's never done it before.
03:59Without knowing what he said, I have no idea if it's a thing or if it's not a thing.
04:03It's not a thing.
04:04I guarantee you it's not a thing.
04:06I can't think that it's odd that Kyle Shanahan and Brock Purdy had a conversation.
04:11But I didn't see the demeanor.
04:13We don't know what the words were that shared.
04:16And even if they, like, were terse in some sort of a way, OK?
04:19Exactly.
04:20OK?
04:21Like, you just threw three picks in the game of the year.
04:24Like, all right.
04:26Probably should be pissed.
04:27I feel like it's more of a reflection of Purdy, if anything.
04:30The fact that his coach feels, to your point, about athletes and having different levels of fire
04:36to kind of quell or extinguish.
04:39It's like, the fact that Kyle knows that he can talk to Purdy in whatever way he deems appropriate,
04:43I think says to me more about the quarterback, who is probably pretty pissed at himself.
04:48He did not play very well whatsoever.
04:50And he owned it and has always owned whatever he's done poorly.
04:54So, I mean, I don't know.
04:57The thing that I found funny is Shanahan basically assuming that nobody was watching them
05:02and that he described it as spying.
05:06OK, so you're in the locker room and you know that media's coming in.
05:09Also, the part that Ross was talking about how you address the team before the media
05:13and he gets in the locker room, so why not just do it before?
05:17I don't know.
05:18He called it creeping, right?
05:21Yes.
05:22Creeping.
05:23But I was like, that's fair.
05:24We're creepy.
05:25We're totally creepy.
05:26It's weird being in the locker room.
05:27It's super weird.
05:28I thought it was a lighthearted jab.
05:30Yeah, like we come in with these big lanyards around our neck
05:34and people are changing and we're just standing there staring at them
05:37like you're going to talk to us, right?
05:39Like, it's OK.
05:41We're creepy.
05:42I'm fine with it.
05:43We are.
05:44It's a creepy situation.
05:45Some more than others.
05:46Yes, for sure.
05:47Well, and honestly, it's time for that to end.
05:50The idea of like, and think about in our job,
05:53if you did a show and we had to actually change clothes,
05:56and I know you do, Evan, because you go out and you work out
05:58and you come back and you're all, you know,
06:00you got your workout clothes and you're swole.
06:02It's creepy.
06:03And it's great.
06:04What if you had like somebody follow you.
06:07There's an audience.
06:08Hey, Evan, that 115 segment was a little bit sloppy.
06:12Let's talk about it.
06:13I do think that the idea of reporters in the locker room
06:16is something that is outdated and probably should change
06:20because you've got, and if I'm an athlete, and I'm not,
06:24but I play a game, 60 minutes, I lay it all out there,
06:27the coach talks to me, okay, we lost, whatever, boom.
06:30I'm going to go to my locker and I want to change and shower,
06:33but I have to worry about dropping trow and like putting on a fresh pair of skivvies
06:38because maybe some reporter is behind me.
06:42It's just awkward.
06:43It's tough, though, because the podium does not take care of all things, as you know.
06:49I mean, like the people who are really there on the daily basis,
06:52and Cam Inman said this to us when we were talking to him about it
06:55just a couple of weeks ago.
06:56It's like if you really want good reporting, if you really want some information
07:02on what's going on behind the scenes with individual players,
07:05like there's a relationship that these reporters work very, very hard to build,
07:10and they're not going to be able to get the inside scoop at the podium.
07:15So you'd have to build, I'm not saying you're wrong,
07:17you'd have to build some other sort of like almost third-party room.
07:22That's the answer.
07:23After the fact where people could go chat with each other.
07:25So back in the day, I used to cover the golf tournament at Edgewood, the celebrity.
07:32You did?
07:33Yeah.
07:34Yeah, so did I.
07:35Way back in the day.
07:36Such a great event.
07:37It's unbelievable.
07:38It's the best.
07:39And they had it figured out.
07:40There was a room for the celebrity golfers, and in order to get there,
07:45you had to work through what was a common media area.
07:49Okay.
07:50So you'd come off the course, and you'd go through this one area,
07:53and writers would be there, and you would say, you'd stop and talk and do your interview,
07:58or you would say, guys, I'm going to run in here, first change and shower, and I'll be back out.
08:03But there was a common area, and it was so easy.
08:06That's perfect.
08:07That's perfect.
08:08You'd have to build it in, though.
08:09No doubt.
08:10You can't let guys have an escape hatch in the back room where they can escape the whole process.
08:15A lot of guys famously just stay in the training room for a long, long period of time.
08:22So anyway, we're kind of closing the book on Kansas City.
08:28Anything striking your fancy?
08:30On to Cincinnati.
08:31Well, what do you guys think about this?
08:33And I've not done any sort of a dive on the numeric aspect of this, but I have a growing Brock Purdy concern.
08:44Oh, my gosh.
08:46I know.
08:47That he's not elite?
08:48I know.
08:49Can you believe that?
08:50Somebody put it out on social media.
08:52He really doesn't, but he's trying to headline it.
08:55No, no, no.
08:56Yes, I do.
08:57Yes, I do.
08:58I think this is a fair question to ask.
09:02Has Brock Purdy been, at his worst, at the Niners' biggest moments?
09:11He wasn't bad in the Super Bowl.
09:14He wasn't bad against Detroit.
09:16He was kind of bad sometimes against Green Bay.
09:19Then there's Christmas.
09:21There's last weekend.
09:22I'm not going to say those are the only big games of his career.
09:25He's won four playoff games.
09:27So this idea, oh, he's never won a big game.
09:30But does Brock look his best kind of at the opposite of the moments where you really want him to grow?
09:39What do you guys think?
09:43There was that stat that was brought up yesterday.
09:45His record against Mahomes, Burrow, and Lamar is pretty poor.
09:49He hasn't beaten any of them.
09:51He hasn't beaten any of them.
09:52Well, he's only got one shot right at Lamar and Burrow.
09:55Yeah, so it's like 0-7, I guess.
09:57Right, and that to me is where this falls a little short.
10:00He's never played against Lamar, Mahomes, or Burrow.
10:04They've never been on the field when he's played.
10:06So for me, a greater way to look at this is looking at him against Minnesota's defense, where he's 0-2,
10:13and Kansas City's defense, where he's 0-2, and good defenses.
10:17Baltimore's defense that flummoxed him.
10:19It's not about quarterback versus quarterback, and I think that we in the media,
10:23well, not we, but the rest of you, get into a lazy mode of quarterback versus quarterback
10:29because it's not about, for me, Mahomes versus Purdy.
10:34It's about Purdy against that defense, and that to me is where the real conversation lies.
10:39Against good defenses, he has not been great.
10:42That's fair, but I think there's also something that, obviously, you're right when you talk about, like, X to O.
10:49Yes, they're not actually playing head-to-head, but the team led by this quarterback
10:55and the team led by that quarterback are going against one another, and they're the leaders of the team,
11:00and I would argue that you're good in the NFL when you have a good quarterback,
11:05unless weird stuff starts happening.
11:07Like, that's why it's the same handful of quarterbacks, why Lamar goes to playoffs every year,
11:11and Patrick goes every year, and Josh will go every year, and Joe's got some weird stuff going on.
11:16We'll see if he can rally. Brock has some weird stuff going on.
11:19We'll see if he can rally. Jared Goff goes to the playoffs a lot.
11:24So from that perspective, I get what you're saying, but there is something like my team against your team,
11:31and in those matchups, you know, and maybe that makes sense.
11:36They're the better teams, but I wonder what everyone thinks about that.
11:40Does it feel like Brock Purdy shrinks when the moment gets bigger?
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11:55Here's how I would answer it, and I was talking about this earlier.
11:58It's like, okay, let's say the 49ers were in a Super Bowl window the last two years.
12:05Okay? Fair.
12:08We still have to acknowledge that Brock Purdy might not be in his Super Bowl window yet,
12:16because he's 24 years old right now.
12:19He still only has 32 games under his belt regular season.
12:23I think it's very possible that he's seen some things this year that he's never seen at the pros before,
12:30and nobody wants to hear this, but, you know, we're talking about Goff and Burrow.
12:34Maybe when this kid's 26 or 27, then, like, everybody acknowledges he's good,
12:42but he's still very young. Very young.
12:46And this team is experienced outside of him.
12:50Yeah, I mean, like, in theory, your first handful of years in the league,
12:56you should automatically be getting better each year,
12:59and I think that that's actually one of the things that's been encouraging about him.
13:02I do think that he's gotten better. Some do it faster than others.
13:07Like, I look at these two top two draft picks who may play head-to-head against one another on Sunday.
13:14They look—you can already see them getting better.
13:18It's only been seven weeks, and you can see who they were week one.
13:21They are a better version of that here now week seven.
13:24So that's encouraging, but, yeah, you're right.
13:27Like, this is not a completed project yet.
13:30I also don't think that what I'm asking—it's a sports characteristic, right?
13:35I'm not ready to say that.
13:36The greats get better when the moment gets bigger.
13:41Tom got better when the moment got bigger.
13:44Patrick gets better when the moment gets bigger.
13:47Can we say that yet about Brock, or has it gone the other way?
13:51Well, that's the question for a lot of those top-flight quarterbacks, right?
13:55I mean, has Josh Allen come through when he's played against Kansas City?
14:00I think that's always been the knock on Lamar Jackson.
14:03He slays the regular season, and he's gotten to the postseason,
14:07and he finally had a good moment against Houston last year,
14:09but then his team came up short against Mahomes.
14:13So it's—you know, as far as answering that question,
14:17I mean, like, Seattle did not have a good defense the first year
14:21that they played the Niners in the postseason,
14:23but Brock, I think, threw three touchdowns his first postseason game.
14:25I consider that rising to the moment.
14:27That's a big moment.
14:28Probably a big stage for him.
14:30You know, last year, the final drive when you got to have it against Green Bay.
14:33Is the Packers' defense as good as Kansas City's? No.
14:36But you got to have that drive if you want to move on
14:39and not flame out as a one-seed.
14:41I think that's a pretty big moment that he's passed.
14:43So as far as the brightest lights, maybe.
14:49But I just—I don't know if we have enough of a sample size yet.
14:54It's tough.
14:55I mean, you look at all the quarterbacks who win a Super Bowl
14:58and there aren't that many who win it at 24 or 25,
15:01and I just was doing a quick dive,
15:03and Brady was 25 when he won his first,
15:05and Russell Wilson was 25, and Mahomes was 25.
15:09So, yeah, he's 24.
15:11Does that mean that this is the year?
15:13You got to be like those guys.
15:14There aren't that many quarterbacks,
15:16and you can go back in history of Stafford when he won his
15:19or Peyton Manning when he finally got his
15:21and Joe Flacco when he got his.
15:23Hell, Elway, probably.
15:24Right? Ben Roethlisberger is a guy who got one pretty early,
15:27but Elway at the very end.
15:28And so I don't necessarily think that his arc of improvement
15:33and his peak—and I thought it was interesting what Baldy said,
15:37and we'll play the sound a little bit later about what Tom Brady told Baldy
15:41about what he sees in terms of limitations.
15:44And those are things that probably can't be fixed,
15:47and he's not getting any taller,
15:49and maybe his arm won't get any stronger and all the rest of it.
15:52And so those are things that he's going to have to deal with
15:55in terms of limitations,
15:56but it doesn't mean that he's not good enough to get it done,
16:00and it also doesn't mean that they're not totally sold on him being the guy.
16:04Do you guys think that his job will ever be easier, though?
16:08I mean, I think that—so you brought up the two rookies playing this weekend,
16:11like Caleb Williams and Jay Daniels.
16:14So their teams are probably not as good at the start of their careers
16:18when Brock Purdy was thrown in with the Niners.
16:22This is the first time he's ever had to play with a cast of non-superstars.
16:27Now, I don't think that's an indication that he can't do it,
16:30but there's a learning curve,
16:32and that might culminate in a game like Kansas City's,
16:35where everything's stacked against you and you didn't rise to the moment.
16:38So you're talking about something that I think has been totally undersold,
16:44because we love the machismo of the sports fan.
16:48You want your quarterback to be able to make everybody rise around you.
16:52So no excuses, right?
16:54The Chiefs had injuries, too.
16:56The Rams had injuries, too.
16:58Well, that's fine.
16:59Here's one thing I noticed that's different, though,
17:01about the current 49ers situation.
17:03It's one thing to have injuries.
17:05Let's take Patrick Mahomes.
17:06You've got a bunch of receivers out.
17:08Well, who filled in?
17:09At the start of the game, it was Juju Smith-Schuster,
17:12but then who ended up playing out there?
17:14You had the likes of Mecole Hardman.
17:17You had Worthy.
17:20Worthy.
17:21He's a rookie.
17:22Noah Gray.
17:23But what you had, you had NFL players.
17:27There might be backups, but they're NFL players.
17:31The 49ers in that game ended up in a spot where you're literally relying on
17:36people playing their first NFL game.
17:38Yeah.
17:39Ronnie Bell.
17:40Ronnie Bell.
17:41Chris Conley.
17:42Yeah.
17:43I mean, these are players who were playing.
17:45This is unfair for you to cast it in that way.
17:47I disagree.
17:48But maybe the difference is Mahomes with those guys.
17:52Well, of course.
17:53He's Mahomes.
17:54The difference is Andy Reid.
17:55Kyle Shanahan could have schemed it up to where Ronnie Bell and Chris Conley
17:59were guys who got the action, but he didn't.
18:02And so I don't think it's fair to look at just Cowing and Pearsall
18:06and not look at Conley and Ronnie Bell who are, as veterans,
18:10they're more veterans than Xavier Worthy.
18:13Xavier Worthy is also a first-round draft pick who has entered into the
18:17lineup week one and has now played seven weeks.
18:20You're talking.
18:21Chris Conley is like a six-year veteran.
18:23But, Dibbs, he doesn't practice with these guys.
18:25There's been no reps.
18:26And whose fault is that?
18:27Well, you can do that if you want.
18:29I'm just asking.
18:30I mean, this way he'll practice with the ones.
18:32Kyle, that's fine.
18:33I'm not assigning blame.
18:34I'm just saying it's not fair.
18:35What you said, whose fault is that?
18:36It's just not fair to me to say, well, it's Cowing and Pearsall,
18:39so there you go.
18:40You don't have to think it's fair.
18:41I do.
18:42I don't think that all injury situations are the same.
18:46To ask any quarterback, and we could go around the league and look at some of
18:50the other situations, I can't wait to see Baker Mayfield, for example,
18:54play football next week.
18:56You now have no receivers.
18:58Guess what?
18:59You're going to suck.
19:00The Niners are going to kick your butt in three weeks.
19:03You've got nothing.
19:04You've got bupkis.
19:05But unless the Niners show up, and they've also got bupkis,
19:08which is totally possible.
19:10But, like, it's one thing to be like, dude, next man up mentality.
19:15It's completely different, I think, when you're like, hey,
19:18you who've never played in the NFL and got shot six weeks ago, all right,
19:24you're our guy.
19:25Like, no reps in practice.
19:27You had Kyle Juszczyk.
19:29You had Eric Sonnenberg.
19:30That's not a receiver.
19:31No, but look at what Andy Reid did when he lost Juju.
19:34Did he throw it to receivers at all?
19:35No.
19:36He threw it to Noah Gray, and he threw it to Travis Kelsey,
19:39and he ran the ball down their throat.
19:41He adjusted.
19:42It's fair to make adjustments.
19:44When you lose Ayuk, and you don't have Debo because he's got pneumonia,
19:49you make an adjustment.
19:50And his adjustment was, wow, boy.
19:52No one's making that argument, Dibbs.
19:54I'm making the argument.
19:55You make the adjustment.
19:57Right.
19:58No one's going to say Kyle Shanahan is on Andy Reid's level.
20:02No one's going to say Brock Purdy's on Patrick Mahomes' level.
20:05No one's made that argument.
20:06Yes, they did it better.
20:08But look at Patrick's numbers.
20:10Why does Patrick have more picks than touchdowns this year?
20:13The face of the league.
20:15And why doesn't it matter?
20:16Because he's got a better team around him.
20:18Exactly.
20:19He's got a better defense.
20:20He's got a better system.
20:21And he makes the plays when they need to be made.
20:23Yes, he's a better player than Brock Purdy.
20:25Right, and they're a better team.
20:26So if our whole conversation is, well, if Brock's not as good as Patrick,
20:31then we should move on.
20:32Well, then we should move on.
20:33No, that's not the conversation.
20:35No one's having that conversation.
20:36I'm just hearing you say that when you have Pearsall and Cowling.
20:39This is an excessive set of injuries.
20:41And it's going to make the team look worse.
20:43Well, then it's up to your laminated play sheet holder to make it work.
20:48And that's what Andy Reid did.
20:50And that's what he's done all year.
20:51He's gone to three tight ends.
20:53And he's gone to a ton of that.
20:55And he's run the ball.
20:56And they figured out, what do we do well?
20:58Well, we run it up the middle.
20:59We have a great interior three.
21:01We have two amazing tight ends.
21:03Let's do that.
21:04So that is the job that the Niners have.
21:06Granted.
21:07And, again, I don't think that that's not where the conversation that Evan
21:11and I were just throwing out there are not to say,
21:13so everybody excuse the Niners for what they did last weekend.
21:17That's not what I'm saying.
21:18I'm saying that as we look at a situation right now where Brock Purdy ended up
21:23in what we all think is maybe one of the top five or six biggest games
21:27of his career, he ended up with a big crap burger on his lap.
21:31And that's hard.
21:33That's hard, and it should at least be entered into the room
21:36when we assess what's going on.
21:38I think he took a crap burger and he added cheese and condiments
21:42and bacon and a tomato and a side of fries.
21:45And I sat here yesterday and said it was the worst game of his career.
21:47So I'm not disagreeing with you.
21:49But I do think that we're looking at an excessive lack of weapons right now,
21:55which is going to have an effect.
21:58It's going to have an effect.
22:00Yeah, and I'll take it a step further.
22:01And it's not crazy to think that if Mahomes were in that situation
22:05at this point in his career, he'll probably fare better
22:08under those circumstances.
22:10He's Patrick Mahomes.
22:11And maybe Brock Purdy, if this continues, will be better in week 13.
22:17Maybe this year handling that situation.
22:20Before I go, Dibs, I did a deep dive on 49ers in the red zone.
22:27It didn't get to the All-22.
22:29Jordan Mason.
22:30Oh, I heard this earlier.
22:31It was good.
22:33I didn't hear it.
22:34I'd like to hear it.
22:35What happened?
22:36When we're talking red zone, there's a stat.
22:38Red zone is 20 and in.
22:40But there's 20 and in, 15 and in, 10 and in, and 5 and in.
22:44Sure.
22:45No running back essentially has carried more in the lower red zone
22:49with fewer touchdowns.
22:51Than Jordan Mason.
22:52Correct.
22:53And you can go 5 and in, 10 and in, 15 and in, and 20 and in.
22:58He's carried more times than anybody else, 20 yards and in,
23:02with fewer touchdowns.
23:03But then as you get into the 10 and fewer, he's just – not him.
23:10Night-night.
23:11Their production is – I think there's two things we can try to say
23:17next to each other that is a little bit of a hard line to walk.
23:21I think what we've watched this year outside of last Sunday,
23:24can Brock Purdy still function without Christian McCaffrey?
23:27Is he still a good quarterback?
23:28Yes.
23:29Are the Niners still an elite team without Christian McCaffrey?
23:33I think that's a different question.
23:35That's a different question.
23:36All right.
23:37Well, it sounds like you guys got a lot of stuff to ponder today.
23:39And if there's one place you're going to do it, it's on 95.7 The Game.