The Miami Heat drop another home game, falling to the New York Knicks 116 to 107. The guys express their frustrations, Tobin goes nuclear on Spo and the Heat's lack of offense. Leroy wonders if Jimmy were to be as impactful as Tyler, would that change the result?
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00:00Yeah, he have another home game fall to the New York Knicks last night.
00:04116-107, Carl Anthony Towns.
00:11Put up 44 on Miami, lit their ass on fire.
00:15Yeah, can I ask you just a, this is a basic question of heat basketball.
00:23Yep.
00:24If I take Tyler's numbers.
00:29Yep.
00:30And put them on Jimmy.
00:34Does the team look better because Jimmy did it?
00:37And I say this because every, it seems like every time Jimmy is that dude, the whole team
00:43plays better.
00:45But if it's somebody else, right.
00:48And I was thinking that last night.
00:50I don't want to look.
00:51Tyler had about as precise as you can have.
00:57So it's tough to like say that, but there's definitely, I will say this dude, there's
01:03definitely this whole new offense that they've rolled out.
01:06Um, they beaten the two cute teams, but the two teams that are going to do something in
01:11the East turd quarters, bend them around and man, I just, you know, your two top dogs just
01:19kind of gone laissez faire through the first, through the, uh, the two games.
01:23And I feel like those good teams are like, yeah, let the, let the little guard shoot.
01:28Let's see what's going on.
01:30I think that's where, and you kind of, um, now that you mentioned it, it's kind of when
01:39you play a team with two stars and they have two different, you know, theories is you,
01:48some teams say, let the big dogs eat.
01:53Let's stop the other guys from being big.
01:55Well, let's just say, let all the other guys eat and let's stop there.
02:00They're stars.
02:01Yeah.
02:02I mean, like, let's look at it like this.
02:03Carl Anthony towns took 25 shots.
02:06Jalen Brunson took 18 shots.
02:09Jimmy and bam together took 16 shots, right?
02:13That's now what part of that is?
02:17Because somebody else was cooking or what part of that was, it just looked like at times
02:22they weren't just like, they were just out there and got into foul trouble.
02:27I mean, you know, like, look, bam had a bad game.
02:30I'm not going to, you know, give him the full pass because I thought Carl Anthony towns
02:34cooked his ass.
02:35Um, lover boy, it was one of the eight.
02:38It was one of the few times that bam has played a basketball game.
02:44And I ever cared that the other guy was bigger, right?
02:49It just seemed like he was shooting over him.
02:52He like, it was weird because I've never really, no matter how big the guy was, bam was gardening.
02:59You never felt that bam was too small.
03:01The one that pissed me off with him.
03:04And I don't know if this was, I don't know if this was a product of the play call or
03:07what, but there was a point where he, he got going there in the third quarter and he got
03:13it down to get his third foul.
03:14And then try to even mention it.
03:15It's like, man, you let them off the hook with that fadeaway.
03:17Like keep, keep driving past his ass and get to the rim.
03:21Right.
03:22Um, you know, I don't know that bam has been off to a really, really slow start.
03:28He's scoring 10 points a game.
03:29He's putting up like dream on green offensive numbers, but also he's not getting any, he's
03:35not really getting a lot of shots either.
03:37I mean, you just said he triple single.
03:40Yeah.
03:42Yeah.
03:43You know, triple single.
03:44I mean, it's, it, that's, and, and, and what happened to the, to letting the fly baby.
03:49Like he, he's like getting to the top of the key there.
03:52And like you could, right.
03:55Yeah.
03:56I've seen a lot of that.
03:57I've seen a lot of that because everybody has the attitude of a pass up this good shot
04:01for a better shot.
04:02And then you get no shot.
04:03Right.
04:04And you see it, you see it a lot with the offense, especially when it's struggling.
04:11Yeah.
04:12It's like, you know what, when, when I see if I'm, if I'm small and I see that I'm saying
04:19from this point on until we get back on track, Terry Rozier handles the ball because he will
04:28be aggressive or Tyler Tyler will be aggressive.
04:33But some of these guys dribbling the ball up that, you know, they just ain't feeling
04:38it.
04:39So look, those guys are not, those guys are not being shy and shooting the ball.
04:43Like that's for sure.
04:44But I think that, I don't know, man, I don't know what the recipe, I think Spode knows
04:48is like, I'm not getting banned the basketball enough.
04:50I know.
04:51And Jimmy, like, you know, classic, classic Jimmy on a, on a Wednesday night, it's like,
04:56man, am I here tonight?
04:57Nah.
04:58No.
04:59And, and, and, and if I may, think of all the players that Pat Riley has been associated
05:10with that probably drives him crazy more than anything.
05:15A hundred percent.
05:16Right?
05:17Like, like the, and, and, and it's our fault.
05:24What?
05:25It's our fault.
05:27Why?
05:28It's everybody, it's everybody's fault for, no, I'm putting it on all of us because we
05:36came up with playoff, Jimmy, and we came up with, don't worry about it, it's playoffs.
05:42Right?
05:43Don't worry about it.
05:44He'll crank it up.
05:46Don't worry about it.
05:47It's January.
05:48We still haven't learned.
05:49Nope.
05:50Nope.
05:51Nope.
05:52We still haven't learned.
05:53That's disgusting.
05:54So he also has, this is, and this is a very odd thing.
05:58He can't beat Carl Anthony towns.
06:00His teams.
06:01It's a very weird thing.
06:03Ever since the whole timber wolves debacle, he doesn't beat Carl Anthony towns.
06:08His teams.
06:09In fact, I think that he'd have had more success when Jimmy misses a timber wolves game than
06:13when he's there.
06:14I think they're one in five over his wolves heat tenure.
06:20And then now you add this.
06:22I think it's one in one for six since he's joined the heat.
06:25He can't be Carl Anthony towns.
06:27And he's like, I saw this video of him yesterday, like completely blew the guy off.
06:30Like Carly towns was like trying to shake his hand in the middle of the start tip off
06:34walks right past him.
06:37And for whatever reason, he can't beat that dude anymore.
06:40Like, or just like ever since the whole breakup dudes had his number.
06:46I don't know what the numbers were in Philadelphia that one year, but I know what the Miami heat,
06:49the Miami heat never beat the timber wolves, especially when Jimmy played.
06:54And now it's carried over to the Knicks 44 points.
06:59Crazy, very strange.
07:01Tyler did have a great game.
07:03No hate on it.
07:04He had a great game.
07:05Terry took him a while to get going.
07:08He had a couple of big threes that put it within striking distance, but you felt like
07:12in that game, I felt like at halftime it was going to go, which was going to be the next
07:17guy to step up.
07:18So it was basically, it was basically Tyler and Kat going shot for shot.
07:22And then Jaylen Brunson, super slow off to start, I think he had like four points in
07:27the first half and bam and Jimmy.
07:29So it's like, what second guy was going to show up?
07:31It was Brunson.
07:32The other two guys.
07:33Yep.
07:34And then like, I don't, it's one of these things where, yes, you know, that we're going
07:39to do offense.
07:40They got to get things together, but then also like, no, no, no, no, no, I'm not buying
07:44it.
07:45I'm not buying it.
07:46I'm not buying it.
07:52It's one.
07:53There could be that school thought that they're probably thinking in that building.
07:57However, this thing about losing to real East teams in their building or just real basketball
08:04teams in general is, is now getting on into year two of a trend.
08:11They sink, they stink in that building.
08:13They've stunk in that building.
08:15quality teams and the other team's quality team, their stars show up. Heats teams nowhere
08:23against the teams that are, you know, the Pistons, the Hornets, you know, the, the,
08:29the Hawks. Okay. Bulls, but Knicks, Celtics, sons, magic. Now calves, you can't trust them.
08:47You told me they were better, dude. What do you mean? You told me they were going to win
08:51the in season tournament. I said that they should aim for that. No, that's not what you
08:56said. That's what I said. No, that's what I said. I already crowned us. I'd be shocked
09:00if Jimmy played every game. I am with that. You told me he was gonna, I mean, he has played
09:06every game. No, no. I mean, in season tournament, what about all star weekend? I don't know.
09:13Can't do that no more though. I know it season was a season to do all that last season was
09:20everybody do what you want because we made it to the championship even though everyone's
09:23everyone. But then we learned, Oh, I guess we can't just do it. Let's get back to the
09:27Pat Riley regimen. Shall we? And now it seems like we're the same team we were last year.
09:32How did this happen? I mean, like, look, the, the third quarter collapse thing is, is a
09:37problem and it's, and it's reminiscent of your starting lineup has a real problem. Um,
09:43like the numbers on it, I saw our boy Rohan Nacarny from NBC sports, he's called heat
09:48starting five is now a minus 25.6 in a net 58 minutes. It's the worst lineup in the NBA
09:54with at least 50 minutes played so far this season. Um, it's not something that is really
09:58bit them on the start of games, but coming out of halftime, it's, it's, it, there's,
10:05there's something not working there. There's something not working there. And then with
10:08the band thing, you know, I don't know what to do with that because you know, one thing
10:13that band doesn't get that Jimmy does get Jimmy is very good with that second unit.
10:18And he kind of gets his own time to get going and get the, the show rolling and dictate
10:24everything and get the ball in his hands. So, you know, as much as it's Tyler Terry,
10:29like there can be a shift in that game of Nope. Now it's Jimmy's time. Now we know what
10:33the tone of the game changes and bam doesn't really get that. You know what I would try.
10:38I would try to, with that second or one of those units put Bam in with Kalel and let
10:46him and Kalel do two main. I would love that. I was doing what I'm saying. Now you got two
10:51bigs. They both can kind of shoot the three. They both can go to the rim and you're going
10:55to get some kind of mismatch because they're both six, nine plus right. Kalel seven feet.
11:01So like you, you, you can do a two man game there that you can create some mismatches
11:08and kind of get, maybe get Bam going. I want to be clear about this. I didn't root for
11:14injury last night, but it's sad that I have to think about when Thomas Brian is, you know,
11:20reeling in pain on the floor, that this is the only time that Kalel Weller could possibly
11:24get on the floor, right? Like that's the, it like, I, it's like, it's not even in the,
11:30the stratosphere of thought, but why are we shocked? They've been doing this with, but
11:35why are we, but why are we doing the thing where we're going to just sit here and what
11:38we're going to do a red shirt year for a 20 year old? He's not an 18. He's not 19. Why
11:44are we not getting this kid? Seven, eight minutes a night, 10 minutes a night. Let's,
11:50let's try it on besides, like you said, give him some run with Bam. Let's see it for a
11:53little bit. Let's let Bam run the, run the point. Let this kid go down to the paint.
11:57Let's try something actually different. Not the same group of people who have the, the
12:04wrong shot diet. It doesn't work here. Here's, here's the other thing is that the heat get
12:16caught in this position a lot, right? They don't play their guys for the first two years.
12:24They come in and they play decent. And now you got to extend them. Get your money's worth.
12:34Get your money's worth out of them. I know how you're going to turn over the roster.
12:38If by the time you have to figure out where to pay a guy, he's only paid played for a
12:46year and a half, maybe of total basketball. Cause you sat him on the end of the bench.
12:50It's the total opposite of football. I don't, do we know of another organization that does
12:56this? No, everybody, everybody's young guys are playing. So they did it last year in Dallas
13:06with a, with a lot, with a lively, you know, everybody was saying like, Hey, this guy got
13:10lively with a three point shot. Right. But they went to the finals. They used all year to,
13:16to kind of, you know, I think it was in the second unit. Like, I don't know. Yeah. But,
13:19but still like this team has gotten a lot younger, a lot longer, right. In the course
13:29of an off season. And we see all of this and we think, okay, we're going to see some changes
13:39in the lineups so they can have more length or whatever. And all that stuff that we talked about,
13:46it went back to the same guys. I know it's crazy. And then like, and the bench is like, okay, you,
13:53we got all excited this summer by two very impressive rookies. And we're like, you know,
14:01Hey, let's rock, let's rock it out there with Thomas Bryant. Who like, let's be nice. This is
14:05not a knock on times. He's had a nice start to the season, but like, you're not going anywhere
14:10with him and you're back. I'm too young to play Sudoku. What are they doing on the bench over
14:13there? I don't know. I don't know. Cause like, Hey, like Drew Smith. Okay. He had a nice little
14:21run ski there against Jalen Brunson. But what's the ceiling. What's the ceiling on it. You get it.
14:28Where's my guy. Swedish swish. Oh no, man. I want to just have some fun, baby.
14:36Marcos is they went up to the counter and got a pack of swish of sweets and they shook it and
14:42they were dry and put it back and put it back. That ain't a good one. You got to feel it. That's
14:48that's like, can I just tell you, that's the most annoying thing. I go into the gas station to get
14:52I go into the gas station to get something to drink. And some guys checking all the swish of
14:57sweets and all the backwoods to see if they dry. You want to know what drove me the most
15:02nuts though? Like Spo had the hot acid yesterday. I'll play the clip for you. We got to take a
15:08break. Wow. He said something yesterday and I was like, dude, you're teasing me at this point. I
15:15don't like what you're doing. I don't like what you're doing. I'm not going to call him out.
15:18Seems like you're getting close to, but like he keeps you on the hook.