The Miami Heat are back on the hardwood tonight against the Milwaukee Bucks. We discuss how Jimmy Butler is once again suspended... this time for 2 games after he missed the team plane.
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00:00What could you say to those guys that would, they would say, come on back, let's just do
00:05this.
00:06At what point, when do you owe it to those guys also to just let them have a productive
00:10work environment?
00:11Like you.
00:12I'm talking about right now.
00:13Right now.
00:14The only way you can do it is not, is just say, Jimmy's not going to be here.
00:20Just don't have them there anymore.
00:22Right.
00:23Enough.
00:24Like you're going to continue to what?
00:25Weasel your way into suspensions?
00:26How do we find a way to suspend them?
00:27Because here, here's where both sides are.
00:33They want him to bleed.
00:36How do you make a player bleed?
00:37You take his money.
00:39So it's not a matter of just like, listen, you're not playing for us because we wouldn't
00:46pay you two years down the road.
00:49We're not gonna just pay you and tell you to stay at home and then see you on Instagram
00:54and Twitter or whatever, living a good life while we out here, you know, fighting a good
01:01fight.
01:02Yeah.
01:03If that's the way you want it, then we're going to find ways to take that money.
01:09If you don't want to play basketball for us until we can get through this, then we're
01:13not paying you.
01:15So you decide how you want to do this.
01:19And he has decided, yeah, I'm not going to play.
01:22He has decided.
01:24So they have recourse.
01:26They have set themselves up so that you don't have recourse, though, like you can you can
01:30you can take his money.
01:31You get OK.
01:32You can continue to look for ways for take food to take his money.
01:35And then you're going to what?
01:36Bring him back Monday and he's going to play at 10 percent.
01:38No.
01:3915 percent.
01:40No.
01:41Because if these keep adding up, then it can be a bigger suspension.
01:46That's what's going to add up.
01:47Just like what's going to get to the point.
01:49Like they already they already stretched out on a set.
01:52There's a certain way and process you have to go through.
01:59To give him.
02:02A maximum suspension.
02:05And that's the CBA.
02:07That's why they're doing it this way.
02:10So at any point in time, if Jimmy doesn't change his behavior until this is taken care
02:17of.
02:18It'll be done in two weeks.
02:19Because if it's not, it'll be done in two weeks.
02:24What the trade deadline?
02:25Yeah, it maybe.
02:26I mean, they seem pretty like they they're not going to to go and take a deal that they
02:31don't want.
02:32Everybody says that now.
02:33They were they had him away for two weeks.
02:35They didn't make a trade.
02:36Everybody says that now.
02:38Remember the heat when the Dame thing?
02:41We don't have to budge.
02:42He wants to come here and yeah.
02:45But at what point do the heat?
02:46I just want to ask you this.
02:47At what point do the heat have their own stubbornness?
02:51Stop getting in their way.
02:53Like you keep doing this.
02:54Let me just finish.
02:55Like you keep getting to this point.
02:56Not you, but like the franchise guys keep getting to this point where it's like, we're
03:01not going to bend.
03:02We're not going to break.
03:03We're not going to let him win on this.
03:05He's won Leroy, but it's over already.
03:08Like they've gotten to a point where he has to come back because they're going to keep
03:12looking for suspensions.
03:13You're ruining any chance that these players have to have a productive work environment.
03:20Okay.
03:21But here's, here's the other thing that all parties need to understand, especially Jimmy
03:30side, when you're involving three or four teams, that's not an overnight quick thing.
03:38So like, it's not, you can't tell me the heat aren't trying to get this done.
03:46Okay.
03:47But when you involve four, four teams, three or four teams, that doesn't happen overnight.
03:53Why does he need to play for the heat anymore?
03:55Because you, because of the collective bargaining agreement, you can't just tell him to stay
03:58home.
03:59People have done it before.
04:00And I guarantee you, Jimmy Butler's not shooting that down.
04:03If I don't lose my money and I'm not with the team anymore, I have a pretty strong,
04:08I have a pretty strong impression.
04:09He's going to be fine with that, but the heat want to be petty and take his money.
04:14Yeah.
04:15And like, what benefit is that to your players, dude, come on.
04:20It's a money.
04:22That's good.
04:23You would have a problem.
04:26We have this problem throughout sports.
04:29If a guy's making a boatload of money, right.
04:34And not playing well, you're not going to have a problem.
04:37If a guy's making a boatload of money and sitting at home right now, no, I'd rather
04:41just have the team play because he's not trying to win for you, but Leroy, he's not trying
04:45to win.
04:46No, we know this.
04:47You can't force him to play and try and win.
04:49There is nothing that you're saying that isn't true.
04:55There's no to me, but there's no difference to me as, as, as a fan of the team, as a team
05:03There's no difference to me in paying Jimmy Butler to show up in a heat uniform and play
05:0815% just at the level that you can't find me.
05:14There's no difference between that and him not being there anymore and paying him.
05:18There's no difference.
05:19And honestly, the one difference is the positive repercussions of, Hey, no, one's got to deal
05:25with it anymore.
05:26Tyler doesn't got to deal with it anymore.
05:28Bam doesn't have to deal with it anymore.
05:29The rookies don't have to deal with it anymore.
05:31Bo doesn't have to deal with it, which they don't want to.
05:35They don't want to.
05:36They don't want to be in this public pissing match anytime.
05:40There's that, there's that three letter word.
05:45What that's driving all of this ego.
05:48Yeah, that's true.
05:50And you can say it's Jimmy's ego that, Oh, y'all not going to give me what I want.
05:57Watch this.
06:00And Pat's ego saying, Oh, okay, we'll find a way to take your money.
06:05If it's about money, then why are you doing this to not get your money?
06:11Right?
06:12Because this lost money.
06:14And the more Jimmy does this, the harder it is because here, these fines are ridiculous.
06:19You go and you complain, give me the money back.
06:24If this continues, it does make it harder for anyone to say to the Miami heat that you
06:34were unjust, right?
06:37So I think it's, I think it's a situation of if this was all about money, why would
06:47you do something to get fined and not make money?
06:53Right?
06:54Um, sometimes players think this, if I go out and ball, then they won't do nothing and
07:00they'll think that everything's cool.
07:02Well, I think that that probably happened.
07:04Like he probably thought that you guys aren't, you guys aren't moving fast enough for me
07:08to want to get out of here.
07:10And then all of a sudden we have a fake sickness.
07:12And then all of a sudden is, is that he didn't, he couldn't possibly know that with all with
07:18do you hear the complications they have to go through to make this trade work?
07:21I don't want to hear about complications right now.
07:23I don't want to hear about involved so many teams.
07:26That's fine.
07:27Okay.
07:28But after one game, okay, you've already been, you've already been through this twice with
07:32him.
07:33Okay.
07:34The fake sickness, which is what I'm calling it.
07:38Okay.
07:39The fake sickness slash ankle injury where he came back and said, I'll play, did it suspend
07:45him.
07:46Okay.
07:47Comes back.
07:48What do we have him also not playing really, not really.
07:52He's out on the court.
07:53He's not really playing basketball, not to win.
07:57It's not an effect on just him and you it's effect on the other players.
08:05Like when do you start caring about that?
08:07Yes.
08:08I get it.
08:10That's the point.
08:11You didn't, you wanted to know how much would he get it to a point of, I'm not going to
08:15be positive for you guys.
08:17I just, he's already shown you.
08:19I just think that what and how Jimmy has handled this, the only way that you can penalize him
08:36is take his money.
08:39And that's it.
08:40Having him sit on the end of the bench does nothing because that attitude is still in
08:43the locker room.
08:44Yeah.
08:45Having him stay at home valid, but just like, you're going to man, let me get this straight.
08:54We're going to come back on Monday against the magic and we're going to try this again.
09:00If he's not traded.
09:01Yeah.
09:02So, and then he gets, that's so dumb.
09:05That's so dumb.
09:06I what an incredible waste of time.
09:09I get it.
09:10But if, if, if you were like, I, it's hard to explain, but you are paying
09:20this man, $48 million, what now?
09:26Right.
09:27So try to get some of it back.
09:28Great.
09:29Congratulations.
09:29That's what it's about.
09:30Congratulations.
09:31Like where, where'd he go?
09:32You really showed us.
09:33You really, Hey, it's not a matter of showing.
09:36It's not a matter of showing, um, you, it's a matter of showing.
09:42Okay.
09:42But here's the thing.
09:43Like the only other argument would be, Oh, well, we don't
09:46want to lose leverage in trades.
09:47Dude.
09:47It's over with that.
09:50The leverage in trade, which I was right.
09:55There wasn't no.
09:57Yeah.
09:57He went somewhere else.
09:58I understand clearly.
10:00No.
10:00Okay.
10:01But that was another play where the heat got too stubborn, got too cute
10:04and they didn't get Damien Lillard.
10:05That's what you think it was.
10:07What do you think it was?
10:08Okay.
10:08But what do you think it was?
10:10All right.
10:10You don't think that was a play?
10:12Yeah.
10:12I think, I think the heat should have just, everybody should have just
10:15been quiet and the deal would have got done instead of walking.
10:18So now we're going to, so now we're walking around.
10:20So Pat Riley feels good today.
10:22Cause he got to be bothered for another couple of games.
10:24But what about what Tyler and man have to deal with on Monday?
10:26Right.
10:26What about what?
10:27What about Nicola Jovich?
10:29That's my biggest problem.
10:30Okay.
10:30So like, but, but at what point does the heat talk about the cost of doing
10:34business when it comes to your team, the actual team that you want to play?
10:38I'm here.
10:42I don't, I don't know if an injury is not involved.
10:48If you can just tell a guy to stay home, I'm sure they could.
10:51No, I'm telling you.
10:52I think it has, it has some, the collective bargaining.
10:57I don't think you can do that.
10:59Okay.
10:59And to everybody who's saying it ain't my money.
11:02Uh, it's you're not getting anything for your money.
11:07He's not trying to win basketball games.
11:12Like that's the thing that's crazy to me.
11:14You know what else is crazy?
11:16You don't want it to pay this guy.
11:19But I, and I would have been right.
11:21No, you wouldn't.
11:21I would have been right.
11:22No, you wouldn't.
11:23I would have been because you never would have happened.
11:26Wait, wait.
11:26It never would have happened.
11:28Never would have happened.
11:29If you're saying that you're not paying for a guy to play basketball,
11:36stop acting like this is the same thing.
11:37You're doing a Peter Pan argument right now.
11:39Stop acting like he would have acted the same if it would've gotten his money.
11:42I didn't say that.
11:43But I say, but you, would he have played more games than he's
11:45been playing the last three years?
11:47Yeah.
11:47Based on what?
11:49Oh my.
11:51Do you not understand this was one of the major crux of this problem of this
11:57issue of why Jimmy wouldn't get paid because he wasn't playing enough games.
12:05Great.
12:05And so now I have them out there for what?
12:10To sell what?
12:10A few vice jerseys.
12:14Pat's writing this, but then he, no, no, no.
12:19Pat's right in this everything, but his handling of this is nasty work.
12:26Dude, you knew you weren't going to give this man another contract.
12:29Should have did something last year.
12:30You should have did something before the season started.
12:33You knew this.
12:34You had this crazy idea that, Oh, well, one more, let's go.
12:38One more, one last run.
12:40One.
12:40Hoorah.
12:40And you know, that was crazy.
12:42We all know Pat is the person who does stuff before this gets to this point.
12:47And you let this get to this point.
12:49That's net that's on you.
12:51Now you're like, I'm laughing at you now because this high, this, this
12:56esteemed well-run organization is doing to me, Peter pan stuff right now.
13:01Like you just said, can I say this though?
13:03Can I just say this though?
13:07They probably had a conversation with Jimmy in the summer.
13:12Right.
13:14And that conversation, like we heard when he came in that I'm a just ball
13:21and it doesn't matter, and maybe they believe them because they have that
13:25relationship, right?
13:27And that's where it went sideways because like you said, he might've got
13:33tweaked a little bit.
13:33He said, Oh, I'm not doing this.
13:35I'm going to ruin my
13:36something.
13:37Changing the, because the first time the word was good, but he didn't
13:40start the season loafing it.
13:42Right.
13:42But that's what I'm saying.
13:43So that is not, no, no, no.
13:46See, while I'm not assuming I'm not this summer, when we talked about this,
13:52Jimmy said, I'm just going to go out and ball.
13:57He said those words.
14:00And so from that standpoint, from that standpoint, maybe that he got
14:07duped, which is something that never happens to Pat.
14:10No, the time they got duped is when he came back from fake sickness.
14:15That's when they got duped.
14:16Right.
14:16It'd been getting duped the last few years, but that's what I'm saying.
14:19Like, you're not going to, what do you do?
14:21What's going to happen next?
14:22Here's the next one.
14:22Vlad.
14:25Jimmy bowler, Pat Riley, McGarris and have a sit down without him.
14:27Silver Jimmy bowler promises.
14:28He's going to play.
14:29And then Jimmy Butler puts up 12 points, no assists, no rebounds.
14:35Okay.
14:35Here's the other thing.
14:36You can't make a guy.
14:37You can't, you can, you can make him go out in uniform and you can have Mike
14:40Diamante introduce him and you can have the flame throwers shooting, shooting
14:44up from the sky, but you can't make that guy play winning basketball.
14:48So let me ask you this, cause this is going to be very interesting.
14:51So apparently Jimmy has taken his own.
14:55Accommodations to fly without the team.
14:58He's done it before, but he doesn't do it all the time.
15:00He doesn't do it all the time, but there's been precedents.
15:02There's no precedent.
15:04But it's, but it's, if you have a team policy, it's the, when
15:08do you overlook that precedent?
15:10What if they told him?
15:11Be on that probably.
15:13I don't know.
15:14I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not here to debate whether Jimmy Butler broke
15:17a rule or not, but what I think is silly is you were looking for a reason.
15:22That's what I'm saying.
15:22Like we're looking for a reason.
15:23Yeah.
15:24Because it's like, if I'm Jim, but you've done it before, I've done it before.
15:27This is not nothing new.
15:30And there's a possibility that the game might not even be played.
15:34You know what I mean?
15:35Cause Milwaukee's and by the way, I'm not assuming what Jimmy said.
15:39That is what Jimmy said.
15:42Jimmy talked about not getting a contract before the season.
15:45I'm going to hoop.
15:46I'm right.
15:47Yep.
15:47So that, that, that's not, we gotta, uh, we gotta take a break.
15:50We'll take a break.