El exsecretario de Transporte durante los gobiernos de Néstor y Cristina Kirchner, se presentó en los tribunales federales para iniciar su condena de 6 años por la tragedia ferroviaria de Once. La Corte Suprema rechazó la última apelación del exfuncionario la semana pasada. En el juicio se demostró que fondos estatales destinados a Trenes de Buenos Aires, empresa responsable del servicio en Once, fueron desviados para fines personales.
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00:00The ex-official arrived at 9.20 a.m. to the Federal Courts.
00:06We reiterate, the ex-Secretary of Transport of the Nation, Ricardo Jaime,
00:11presented himself today at 9.20 a.m. in the Courts of Comodoro Pi
00:16to serve in prison his six-year sentence for the railway tragedy of 11,
00:22after last week the Supreme Court of Justice of the Nation
00:26left firm the sentence by rejecting the last appeal of the defense
00:31of the former government official of Néstor and Cristina Kirchner.
00:36As we see there, Jaime arrived with his lawyers
00:41to the sixth floor of the Courts of Comodoro Pi
00:44to present himself before the Federal Oral Court No. 2
00:48that had given him a deadline until today to go to the punishment.
00:54Jaime had asked to suspend the detention until a request was resolved
00:59of domiciliary prison that he requested, which was totally rejected.
01:04There is no other instance.
01:06There is no more instance and the only magistrate, Juan Carlos Maqueda,
01:10was excused in the decision for having a relationship with him.
01:13The accusation that weighs on Jaime was destroyed,
01:18but also a combo of many corruption causes was made,
01:22for which he had been sentenced in this instance.
01:25He will be transferred to a prison.
01:27In short, he met the requirement to appear in the Courts of Comodoro Pi
01:33three days after the instance was firm.
01:36He will serve his sentence in prison.
01:38There is no possibility of release.
01:40He still has very little time to serve and he will be free in a matter of years.
01:44He is one of those sentenced for the tragedy of February 11, 2012.
01:47More than 12, 51 dead and more than 700 wounded
01:50in that crash of the Sarmiento train at station 11.
01:53After 11, they take out the Ministry of Transport
01:57of the Federal Planning Ministry and send it to Interior,
02:01which was the ministry managed by Florencio Randazzo.
02:04Obviously, it was such the magnitude of the tragedy of 11.
02:07You remember, don't you?
02:09The truth is that I don't know if it was ever clear in judicial terms
02:13if the brakes didn't work, if the driver didn't brake.
02:17What was clear was that the wagons were old
02:21and that made one wagon mount on top of the other
02:24and more people would die.
02:26They didn't have the system of horseback riding.
02:28They did have the games.
02:30What they did was to reform the trains called Tolliva
02:33that had arrived in the 1960s to Argentina.
02:36The private company at that time, which was Trenes de Buenos Aires,
02:39what they did was a rebranding.
02:41They painted them, they changed the seats,
02:43but the mechanism was the one from the 1960s.
02:45And remember the junk trains that arrived in Portugal and Spain.
02:49We're talking about corruption here.
02:51After that, new trains start arriving.
02:53Of course, of course. Then Randazzo came.
02:55But here we're talking about corruption.
02:57Corruption must be paid in prison.
02:59Corruption that led to death.
03:01Exactly, the derivation of corruption in these cases.
03:03Specifically, in this case...
03:05They painted the trains, they were made of cardboard.
03:07The Ministry of Transport didn't control anything.
03:09In turn, at least for me,
03:11an ex-concessionaire from Trenes,
03:13who no longer has it,
03:15as well as the trains received a subsidy,
03:17because the price of the ticket
03:19is never the cost of the transport,
03:21the return of the subsidy
03:23was sent to Ricardo Jaime.
03:25Let's see.
03:27This ex-concessionaire has six convictions.
03:29In addition to the cases of Oncel,
03:31of Dadivas, the theft of documentation,
03:33which was also sentenced to eight years
03:35for illicit enrichment,
03:37the purchase of junk trains
03:39to Spain and Portugal,
03:41and in September 2022
03:43for having agreed to the charge of a bribe
03:45to advance in the construction of the bullet train,
03:47which was never done because we don't have
03:49the TGV, or the bullet train, or any of that.
03:51And these last two convictions
03:53are still not so firm.
03:55He still has one more oral trial left,
03:57in the case of the corruption notebooks,
03:59in which he is processed
04:01and elevated to oral trial
04:03along with Cristina Kirchner,
04:05his direct boss as Minister of Federal Planning,
04:07and other former officials
04:09and businessmen
04:11of Argentine public work.
04:13You know, Guille, that because of this tragedy,
04:15because of this, not the tragedy of Oncel,
04:17but because of Jaime's convictions
04:19and also the convictions of six Spanish officials,
04:21Spain, which is one of the largest
04:23train producers in the world,
04:25cannot sell trains to Argentina.
04:27So we are limited to buying from China,
04:29which is another of the suppliers,
04:31but Argentina cannot buy from Spain,
04:33because Renfe, which is one of the largest
04:35companies, and CAF,
04:37which is the train producer,
04:39can never buy more trains from Spain.
04:41So imagine that the consequences
04:43are not in terms of deaths
04:45and sentences,
04:47but also a budget limitation,
04:49and now you can't buy
04:51more trains to certain markets.
04:53So Argentina is left after these cases, right?
04:55Sure. Let's greet our colleague
04:57Martín Angulo. Thank you, Martín,
04:59for being on the other side. How are you? Good morning.
05:01How are you, Guillermo? Good morning.
05:03Well, regarding what we are talking about,
05:05we were saying that corruption
05:07is paid for at some point, right?
05:09Yes, absolutely.
05:11In fact, of course,
05:13what stands out from the tragedy of Oncel
05:15were the 51 fatal victims
05:17and the more than 700 people
05:19who ended up injured,
05:21but in the oral trial, one of the crimes
05:23for which Jaime
05:25and other former businessmen
05:27were convicted is precisely
05:29corruption, because what was shown
05:31in the trial was that
05:33the state gave funds
05:35to Buenos Aires trains,
05:37which was the company that
05:39concessioned the service of Oncel,
05:41and those funds were deviated.
05:43In the trial, the fate of those funds
05:45was told a lot.
05:47What fate, for example, Martín? Give us an example.
05:49Personal fates
05:51of the businessmen themselves
05:53who had
05:55the concession of the service,
05:57while they used funds,
05:59I remember trips abroad
06:01for the payment of prepayments
06:03of relatives of those
06:05executives, the service
06:07worked in a very bad way.
06:09And also here
06:11the link between
06:13politics and business
06:15because the Cirillian brothers,
06:17who were the owners of trains
06:19in Buenos Aires, were supporters
06:21of the political campaign of then
06:23the Front for Victory,
06:25the Ciudadana,
06:27Hoy, La Patria,
06:29and others, of Kirchnerism.
06:31Martín, tell me if I remember well,
06:33the Cirillian brothers end up
06:35going to home prison,
06:37and at least Claudio
06:39Cirilliano goes to home prison
06:41in a country
06:43with a sea exit
06:45that is located in Necochea, can it be?
06:47I understand that
06:49Cirilliano is already free
06:51because he already fulfilled the sentence.
06:53He was arrested
06:55in the Seiza prison, he was imprisoned
06:57a while in the Seiza prison,
06:59then he received the home prison,
07:01then the release,
07:03the conditional freedom,
07:05and I think he already has the sentence fulfilled.
07:07In fact, all those sentenced
07:09for the tragedy of 11 have already
07:11fulfilled their sentence. Given the case
07:13of Jaime, that he had a
07:15particular legal situation,
07:17and it was that he had been convicted
07:19for a crime in court, but then
07:21the hunting chamber added another crime
07:23and then another hunting room
07:25removed that crime from him.
07:27Well, somehow he was
07:29further behind in the judicial cause,
07:31that's why last week
07:33the Supreme Court
07:35confirmed his sentence,
07:37which is what leads him today
07:39to be arrested again.
07:41Jaime is about to turn 70, right?
07:43In January.
07:45So the home arrest is a possibility?
07:47Jaime
07:49already asked for the home arrest
07:51for two reasons. One is that
07:53Guillermo, in January he turns 70
07:55and it is the age from which
07:57the law allows you
07:59to ask for the home arrest
08:01for reasons of age. It is not
08:03mandatory that the court
08:05gives him the home arrest for reasons
08:07of age, but also Jaime
08:09added health issues.
08:11For those two reasons, he asked
08:13for the home arrest. In fact,
08:15last week, when the Oral Court
08:17ordered his arrest,
08:19the defense asked for the arrest
08:21to be suspended until
08:23the home arrest is resolved.
08:25The court said no,
08:27that the home arrest should be processed
08:29and then resolved
08:31if it is granted or not.
08:33Because now what is going to happen
08:35is that the forensic medical team,
08:37which are the official doctors of the judicial power,
08:39have to examine Jaime, they have to determine
08:41his health problems,
08:43surely the Federal Penitentiary Service
08:45in detention,
08:47those health problems that Jaime has
08:49can be treated in a prison
08:51and then with that
08:53the court, when all the reports are in,
08:55will resolve whether or not
08:57the home arrest is granted.
08:59He still has an oral trial left,
09:01which is the one that has to do with the notebooks,
09:03where Cristina Kirchner is also due.
09:05Yes, he still has
09:07that public trial
09:09and he still has to
09:11define two other sentences
09:13that he has. One for what
09:15they were commenting a while ago,
09:17the purchase of trains
09:19that could not be used, Spain and Portugal.
09:21In that case, Jaime
09:23was sentenced. It is expected
09:25that the sentence is confirmed,
09:27that the sentence is firm
09:29so that it can be fulfilled.
09:31He still has that trial
09:33and that case to confirm
09:35because he already has a sentence.
09:37I think the message of all this,
09:39as global appreciation, is what we were just talking about.
09:41Corruption is coming.
09:43The worst chapter
09:45is that of the fatal victims,
09:47that money is not
09:49destined for where they have to go.
09:51I say this so that this
09:53remains engraved in people's retinas
09:55when it comes to
09:57thinking about officials,
09:59let them know who they were responding to,
10:01but beyond that, they hurt
10:03many Argentines.
10:05Some of them lost their lives.
10:07Absolutely. In fact,
10:09next month is the 20th anniversary
10:11of another huge tragedy,
10:13which was that of Cro-Magnon.
10:15And in that case, there was also
10:17corruption, because the justice
10:19determined that Chabal
10:21paid police fines
10:23so that he would not make controls
10:25in the number of people who entered the Boliche.
10:27It was determined that the government
10:29of the city of Buenos Aires did not inspect
10:31and did not control
10:33how that Boliche functioned.
10:35Cro-Magnon and ONCE
10:37are very present for everyone
10:39because of the magnitude
10:41that the tragedy had
10:43in the number of fatal victims
10:45who chose the two events,
10:47where justice determined
10:49that corruption was present.
10:51Martin, we are talking about Jaime,
10:53but what did it mean?
10:55What role did this structure of corruption have
10:57that condemned him?
10:59Jaime was the first official
11:01of Kirchnerism to be arrested.
11:03He was the first official
11:05of Kirchnerism to recognize
11:07that he was charging fines.
11:09And he was the first official of Kirchnerism
11:11to be convicted of corruption.
11:13In fact, one of the first convictions
11:15that Jaime has is for the crime
11:17of the Adivas, which is like
11:19a smaller corruption, if you will,
11:21at least that's how the criminal code establishes it.
11:23Because Jaime recognized in justice
11:25that businessmen,
11:27among them Sirigliano,
11:29paid him for trips
11:31on private planes.
11:33They were businessmen of the transport area.
11:35That is, they were businessmen
11:37whom Jaime had to control,
11:39with whom Jaime had to work
11:41in function of the State,
11:43not in function of the businessmen.
11:45It is already lost
11:47and far in time,
11:49but Jaime was a fundamental official
11:51of the governments
11:53of Néstor and Cristina Kirchner.
11:55He came from working with them
11:57in Santa Cruz,
11:59he was from the area closest
12:01to Néstor and Cristina Kirchner.
12:03In fact, he had
12:05in the structure of the Ministry of Planning
12:07as his immediate boss.
12:09However,
12:11those who worked
12:13with absolute autonomy.
12:15He was a person who reported
12:17directly to Néstor Kirchner.
12:19I think he was Minister of Education
12:21in Santa Cruz.
12:23Could you ignore
12:25Jaime's activities
12:27of corruption?
12:29No, no way.
12:31I don't think so.
12:33In fact, there are testimonies
12:35of Jaime entering
12:37Calle Rosada with bags.
12:39No, they could not ignore him.
12:41Then the justice
12:43could not determine it.
12:45In fact, the trial of the
12:47corruption notebooks,
12:49there it is processed
12:51from a high judicial level,
12:53Cristina Kirchner as part
12:55of the final receiver
12:57that was collected
12:59in the Ministry of Federal Planning.
13:01Martin, sorry, some facts
13:03that make up the story.
13:05Jaime was Minister of Education
13:07in Santa Cruz.
13:09He was a person who did not have
13:11much to do with education.
13:13He was or is,
13:15because he received
13:17a master's degree.
13:19That is his basic career.
13:21I don't know if it was the rumor,
13:23the fantasy or the reality
13:25but I know that there is
13:27an underground tunnel that connects
13:29the Ministry of Economy
13:31and Casa Rosada.
13:33When Jair Igoyen goes
13:35to Paseo Colón,
13:37on one side is Casa Rosada,
13:39on the other side is the Ministry of Economy.
13:41They say that he carried
13:43the bags to Casa Rosada
13:45through that tunnel
13:47and then a ship and a plane
13:49that were his own were detected.
13:51I don't remember if it was exactly
13:53what he had with someone.
13:55Yes, in fact they were decommissioned
13:57and at the time they were handed
13:59over to the national state.
14:01But part of the illicit enrichment
14:03for which Jaime was also convicted
14:05is linked to what you said, Lucio,
14:07to the ship and the private plane
14:09that he had.
14:11If you want to make an ellipsis
14:13of all this, remember that there are
14:15many people who say,
14:17defend the poor, but with corruption
14:19end up killing many of them,
14:21on the trains,
14:23those fatal victims,
14:25those injured people.
14:27It seems to me that we have to remember
14:29all this when listening
14:31to some speeches and diatribes
14:33of people who are always recycling.
14:35But well, Martín,
14:37thank you very much for this valuable contribution.
14:39Please.
14:41Goodbye. Martín Angulo,
14:43colleague, to give us more details
14:45of this latest news from Jaime.