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00:00This program is brought to you by DAREGA KAITON NEN, the book that changed the world for the better.
00:16So, where are we starting today?
00:18Today, we are at a bookstore in Okayama.
00:24The owner's daughter is an entertainment manager.
00:30She asked me to introduce her family to the program.
00:34She works in Tokyo.
00:37There are about 500,000 copies of this book in 250 bookstores.
00:44That's a lot of books.
00:45Is that really true?
00:50Rumor has it that this is the largest bookstore in Japan.
00:55It has five volleyball courts.
00:59It would be better if it was a children's bookstore.
01:00I'm sure it's better if it's not a children's bookstore.
01:02I'm sure there was something like that.
01:06This week's topic is this book.
01:09The judge is crying.
01:12At the end of the trial, the judge said something like this.
01:16It's like Tsurube from Ace Attorney.
01:23The judge said a few words to the defendant.
01:29The judge summarized the words of the three previous judges.
01:36There are many people who like this book.
01:38This is a famous saying.
01:42You shouldn't do it anymore. You should do your best.
01:45I've been thinking about it for a long time.
01:48That's a place to show off.
01:50That's right.
01:51It's a place to show off the judge.
01:53I've been thinking about it for a long time.
01:57You shouldn't do it anymore.
01:59You should do your best.
02:00I think that's what it means.
02:02Until then, there was a lot of talk.
02:06I'm Masahito Nagamine, a freelance writer.
02:08Nice to meet you.
02:10You're a freelance writer.
02:12Yes.
02:13Do you write a lot of things?
02:15Yes. I mainly write about court cases, laws, and politics.
02:20I mainly write about difficult things that cost a lot of money.
02:24You write about things that cost a lot of money.
02:26Yes. I write about finance and medical expenses.
02:28Finance and medical expenses.
02:29I write about medical expenses.
02:32Is finance expensive?
02:34Yes, it's expensive.
02:36Is it cheap?
02:38It's cheap because it's a gay gossip.
02:42That's why everyone writes a lot of things on the internet.
02:46This is a court case.
02:50That's right.
02:52Have you been going to court for a long time?
02:55I used to work for the Ministry of Justice.
02:58I was originally aiming to become a lawyer.
03:02My professor told me that I was suitable for a lawyer.
03:06So I went to court and became a lawyer.
03:08I failed seven times.
03:11I was 29 years old.
03:13I thought it was over.
03:14If you thought it was over, you should have left the court.
03:18You wandered around the court because you couldn't go to heaven.
03:24Are you a so-called crazy mania?
03:26I don't know if I'm a crazy mania, but I was originally aiming to become a lawyer.
03:31I see.
03:33So the court itself is a place to study.
03:36That's right.
03:38It's a real place.
03:40Why did you decide to write a book like this?
03:43I came from Kyushu.
03:45I wanted to write a book.
03:47An editor who happened to see my website contacted me.
03:51He asked me to write a book with an easy-to-understand law.
03:54I was asked to write a white book.
03:57I don't know if it's high or low.
04:00What should I do?
04:02I thought about it for about half a year.
04:04I was told that the court system was about to start.
04:08So I decided to write a book about the criminal court system.
04:11I looked it up in order.
04:13After the judgment, I learned that there was a court system.
04:16Is that a court system?
04:17It's a formal system.
04:19I learned that there was a court system.
04:22At that time, I thought I would give a lecture.
04:27It's written in the law that I can do that.
04:31Is there a court system in this time?
04:35There are many cases when there is no court system.
04:38There is a risk in the trial.
04:40If you say that.
04:42It's a personal opinion.
04:44There is a risk of being criticized by a person like me.
04:47You can't say bad things.
04:49What are you talking about?
04:52I watched the trial for a few hours.
04:55I didn't say anything.
04:58Is there a court system?
05:00Is that a court system?
05:03I went on a business trip to the countryside for a week.
05:06I didn't say anything.
05:10I see.
05:12I said this at the beginning.
05:14Have you been thinking about the court system since the day before?
05:19I think so.
05:21It's not a camera.
05:24It's a mask.
05:26I'm going to do it.
05:29I'm going to do it.
05:31Look at my court system.
05:34It's the only time I'm not calm.
05:39It's an ad-lib.
05:42Is there a time limit?
05:45There is no time limit.
05:47It's a long time.
05:49It's more than 10 minutes.
05:51I've been thinking about it for a long time.
05:53I know the defendant well.
05:56That's why I'm calm.
06:00How do you go to the trial in the first place?
06:03I don't need anything.
06:06The release of the trial is supported by the law.
06:10I don't need a name.
06:12I've been to the trial once before.
06:16My friend invited me to the trial.
06:19The trial was held at the same time.
06:24I can go anywhere I want.
06:28Can I go in the middle of the trial?
06:31You can go in the middle of the trial.
06:35There is a lottery in the middle of the trial.
06:40It's a popular trial.
06:43I had a hard time with that.
06:45I'm not good at it.
06:47Which one did you go to see?
06:50I went to see Nishikawa's trial.
06:54Do you want to go see a celebrity's trial?
06:57I used to do that.
07:00Did you win?
07:01I won.
07:03What kind of lottery do you do?
07:06It's a computer lottery.
07:09It's like a gacha.
07:12Do celebrities have a trial?
07:15Yes.
07:18I want to show you.
07:21Are you a lawyer?
07:24Yes.
07:25How did you become a lawyer?
07:27First, you have to pass the judicial system.
07:30Then you can become a lawyer, prosecutor, or judge.
07:34There are three ways.
07:37Prosecutors and judges are public officials.
07:40It's not up to anyone.
07:44If you fall, you're a lawyer.
07:47That's right.
07:50Judges are super elite.
07:53I don't know if I should say this.
07:56It's like falling into a pit.
07:59I'm sorry.
08:00It's easy to understand.
08:03It's not like that in the world.
08:05There are a lot of people who want to be a lawyer.
08:08That's right.
08:10There are a lot of people who are good at it.
08:12Judges say,
08:13You're good.
08:15I'm glad to hear that.
08:17I'm glad to hear that.
08:20How did you become a judge?
08:22How did you become a judge?
08:25If you have more than 10 years of experience, you can become a judge.
08:29You can judge one person.
08:31If you have more experience, you can become a judge.
08:34I think I've learned this.
08:37In the case of a Japanese court,
08:39How many judges are there in the court for one case?
08:45There are three judges.
08:47It depends on the case.
08:49Is there a judge in the case?
08:51Yes.
08:52One judge and two judges.
08:55That's right.
08:57There are three judges.
08:59If you have more than 10 years of experience, you can become a judge.
09:04There are six people in the general public.
09:07There are nine people in the general public.
09:09What does this mean?
09:11When a judge has to make a judgment in court,
09:16Do you talk to the general public?
09:20Yes.
09:21There's a hearing.
09:23The judge can't tell anyone what happened there.
09:26There's a scheme to keep it a secret for the rest of your life.
09:30You can tell me your impressions.
09:32Do you talk to each other and the judge decides?
09:39It's a majority.
09:41A majority of six people in the general public?
09:43Yes.
09:45It's a special majority.
09:48For example, if there are six general judges and three professional judges,
09:53It's a majority.
09:55It's a majority.
09:57If there's no professional judge, it's a majority.
10:01But the general public is like,
10:04What the hell are you doing?
10:06That's it?
10:08Don't call me.
10:13Do you want to go to all the courts in the country and chase the judge?
10:18Yes.
10:20Do you have a favorite judge?
10:22Yes.
10:24Do you have a favorite judge?
10:26Yes.
10:28Do you have a favorite judge?
10:30The judge is a single mother.
10:32What the hell are you doing?
10:35Is this a person who shouldn't do this?
10:38This is a single mother who has two children.
10:43She was in trouble and continued to breastfeed.
10:45She continued to breastfeed in a supermarket.
10:48She did it again during the period when she had a baby.
10:51It's a re-judgment.
10:53It's a bad thing to say.
10:55It's pretty tough in this case.
10:57It's mostly an experiment.
10:59She dared to breastfeed again.
11:01After breastfeeding, she asked for a handshake.
11:04I call it a skinship.
11:08I call it a skinship.
11:10Is it a skin-to-skin communication?
11:12It's hard to communicate.
11:15Do you like this person?
11:17I like this person.
11:18I don't have to do this.
11:21Mr. Sugide is the one who handled the key case of Mr. Tetsuya Komura.
11:28I don't know what to do.
11:30It's a fraud of 500 million yen.
11:32Normally, it's not strange to go in for about 10 years.
11:35She dared to breastfeed.
11:37She dared to breastfeed.
11:39She dared to do it.
11:41It's because it's Mr. Komura.
11:43If Mr. Sugide does it, I definitely want to go see it.
11:45That's right.
11:47Do you know where this person is the judge?
11:51I know that.
11:52I know it by writing.
11:54You don't know in advance, do you?
11:57I don't know.
11:59Actually, there is a special way to do it.
12:01I go to the office and get a shift for the next week.
12:06Can I see it?
12:08You can see it.
12:10If Mr. Sugide is caught doing something bad, I want him to be the judge.
12:15I want to be judged.
12:17I want to be judged.
12:19I want to be judged.
12:21I want to be judged.
12:23I want to be judged.
12:25What's good about Mr. Komura?
12:27Mr. Komura.
12:29For example, there was a man who was addicted to pachinko.
12:33He couldn't hit it, but his wife hit him a lot.
12:38He attacked his wife on his way home and beat her.
12:42He attacked his wife.
12:44He beat her and injured her.
12:46He was going to be the judge, but he was sentenced to life in prison.
12:50He was sentenced to life in prison.
12:52He was sentenced to life in prison.
12:54He was sentenced to life in prison.
12:56I was addicted to pachinko.
12:59You were?
13:01It could be a lie.
13:04You were addicted to pachinko.
13:07I was addicted to pachinko because I borrowed money from my father.
13:10You were addicted to pachinko.
13:12I was addicted to pachinko.
13:14I was addicted to pachinko because I was bullied by the Self-Defense Force.
13:22I was bullied by the Self-Defense Force.
13:25Mr. Murai, you are lying.
13:30I classify people as coming out.
13:33You cut off your own bones.
13:37I don't lie.
13:39Do you take notes?
13:41I take notes when I go to work.
13:43I listen to the notes when I go to the flat.
13:46I take notes when I go to the beach.
13:48I take notes when I go to the beach.
13:51If I take too many notes, I'll be warned.
13:53You'll be warned.
13:55If I see someone taking notes, I'll stop taking notes.
13:58If I see someone taking notes, I'll stop taking notes.
14:01I feel that way.
14:02I feel that way.
14:05In a famous case,
14:07he took care of his son in Kyoto.
14:11He took care of his son in Kyoto.
14:13He took care of his son until he quit his job.
14:15But his son ran out of money.
14:17He killed his son by strangling him.
14:23His mother was happy.
14:27It's a sad story.
14:29He was a murderer.
14:32He was a murderer.
14:34How did you decide to kill him?
14:36I decided to kill him.
14:39You saw the movie and realized that he wasn't a bad guy.
14:45The story was not just about the defendant.
14:48The whole society was involved.
14:52The society was not good.
14:56I decided to kill him because I had to quit my job.
14:59I decided to kill him because I had to quit my job.
15:03I decided to kill him because I had to quit my job.
15:07You were crying when you were doing the trial.
15:10I was crying when I was doing the trial.
15:11I told my mother that I liked her.
15:15I told my mother that I'd like to be born again to her.
15:20I told my mother that I'd like to be born again to her.
15:25Do judges like you talk about this?
15:30Yes.
15:32Yes.
15:34He's dangerous.
15:36I'm going to have a big sleep.
15:38That's what I think.
15:42That's because it's a valuable race.
15:44I don't say anything more than 90%.
15:46I'm going to do it smoothly.
15:49I don't say anything at all.
15:51Which one is it?
15:52If you're going to succeed,
15:53is it easier to do it?
15:55Yes, yes.
15:57Isn't this Ninja?
15:59I'll do my best.
16:01I can't do it.
16:03Oh, I see.
16:05You're looking into the case properly.
16:07I'm looking into it.
16:09It's a big deal.
16:11I'm going to succeed this time.
16:13It's a system like this.
16:17Are these people going to the Supreme Court?
16:21I don't need these people.
16:22You don't go?
16:23You don't succeed?
16:24I don't go.
16:25What about the people who are in the Supreme Court?
16:27It's a boring trial.
16:29To be clear.
16:31People who do it easily.
16:36There's one more case.
16:38It's a case of a person who was drunk at a supermarket.
16:42He fell down while walking for dozens of kilometers.
16:46When he woke up, he lost his memory.
16:51He lost his memory at the time of the incident.
16:53What's that?
16:55That's a difficult case.
16:57What happened?
16:58He had a terminal illness.
17:00A terminal illness.
17:02He lost 150,000 yen in cash.
17:05However, there is a system called unpaid exchange.
17:09If you go to a place like a prison, you pay 5,000 yen a day.
17:16If you go to a prison, you pay 5,000 yen a day?
17:20You pay 5,000 yen a day.
17:22The number of days he spent in prison has already exceeded that.
17:28So, he paid 5,000 yen a day.
17:31He is innocent.
17:33What did you do?
17:35I did a trick.
17:37You did too much.
17:39You stand out too much.
17:42You are a king.
17:44Moreover, if something happens, he always comes to me.
17:47He always comes to me.
17:49I said that.
17:50I don't think there is a judge like that.
17:52I don't think so.
17:53I don't think there is a precedent.
17:55I've never heard of it.
17:57I see.
17:59You are a bit too much of a protagonist.
18:01I did too much drama.
18:04Next, we will talk about a judge who says things to older people.
18:07A judge who says things to older people.
18:11That's right.
18:12It doesn't matter if you are younger or older.
18:16You say what you want to say.
18:19There was a case of Mr. Taki.
18:22Is he famous?
18:23Yes, he is famous.
18:26He won a lottery.
18:28Did he win?
18:29Even though he didn't win?
18:30Yes, he didn't win.
18:31He went to see Mr. Taki.
18:34He said that he had thought about his life.
18:37The name of the band in front of DENKI GROOVE was Jinsei.
18:43He said that your life is fine with that name.
18:45He said that for about 10 minutes.
18:48Was Mr. Ono a fan of DENKI GROOVE?
18:52It's possible.
18:53He knew the name of the band in front of DENKI GROOVE.
18:56Yes, he did.
18:57Did you watch Mr. Ono's trial?
19:00Yes, I did.
19:01How was Mr. Taki at that time?
19:03He didn't react much.
19:07He didn't react much?
19:08I don't know.
19:09Maybe he didn't react much.
19:10But Mr. Taki must have thought about it.
19:13He must have thought that he was in a band called Jinsei.
19:17I see.
19:18There are a lot of interesting people.
19:20It's good to have a little bit of knowledge.
19:25That's right.
19:26I don't have much knowledge.
19:27Never again.
19:28Shangri-La?
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