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Host:
- Maria Memon
Guests:
- Raoof Hasan PTI
- Asmatullah Khan Niazi (Chairman Bus Owners Association)
- Shakeel Qureshi (President Goods Transport Association Rawalpindi)
PTI Protest: Has anyone made contact with the PTI leadership?
Will Bushra Bibi and Aleema Khan participate PTI’s protest? - Rauf Hassan Told Everything
"Croreron ka nuksan ho raha hai..." Chairman Pakistan Bus Owners Association
Kya PTI Protest Postponed Hosakta Hai? - Rauf Hassan Gives Inside News
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Host:
- Maria Memon
Guests:
- Raoof Hasan PTI
- Asmatullah Khan Niazi (Chairman Bus Owners Association)
- Shakeel Qureshi (President Goods Transport Association Rawalpindi)
PTI Protest: Has anyone made contact with the PTI leadership?
Will Bushra Bibi and Aleema Khan participate PTI’s protest? - Rauf Hassan Told Everything
"Croreron ka nuksan ho raha hai..." Chairman Pakistan Bus Owners Association
Kya PTI Protest Postponed Hosakta Hai? - Rauf Hassan Gives Inside News
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, I am Maryam Aiman and today's top stories is about the protest of PTI.
00:14The government is also ready to face it.
00:16The people who are in the most trouble at the moment are those whose businesses, businesses
00:21and transport are currently closed.
00:24Islamabad has been sealed after the protest call.
00:26The internet services will also be shut down after 12 pm, which is a separate cost, a separate
00:32price, which is paid by the tech sector in Pakistan and other businesses related to it.
00:37The government itself is creating difficulties for the people, because Tariq-e-Insaab wants
00:41to, he is in the opposition, to give the government a difficult time, a tough time, but when you
00:46close everything yourself, then you do not need any other opposition, because at the
00:51moment, the business is closed, the internet is closed, the hostels are closed, the transport
00:56is closed, many areas around Islamabad and Punjab are completely closed.
01:00So, Tariq-e-Insaab was claiming that they will come and close Islamabad, but practically,
01:06the government itself has closed more than half the country at the moment.
01:11Ali Amin Gandapur Sahib is adamant that he will come to Islamabad, he will reach there,
01:16he will reach D-Chowk, he will reach D-Chowk, he will reach D-Chowk, he will reach D-Chowk,
01:19he will reach D-Chowk, he will reach D-Chowk, he will reach D-Chowk, he will reach D-Chowk,
01:21he will reach D-Chowk, he will reach D-Chowk, he will reach D-Chowk, he will reach D-Chowk,
01:23he will reach D-Chowk, he will reach D-Chowk, he will reach D-Chowk, he will reach D-Chowk,
01:24he will reach D-Chowk, he will reach D-Chowk, he will reach D-Chowk, he will reach D-Chowk,
01:25he will reach D-Chowk, he will reach D-Chowk, he will reach D-Chowk, he will reach D-Chowk,
01:26he will reach D-Chowk, he will reach D-Chowk, he will reach D-Chowk, he will reach D-Chowk,
01:27he will reach D-Chowk, he will reach D-Chowk, he will reach D-Chowk, he will reach D-Chowk,
01:28he will reach D-Chowk, he will reach D-Chowk, he will reach D-Chowk, he will reach D-Chowk,
01:29he will reach D-Chowk, he will reach D-Chowk, he will reach D-Chowk, he will reach D-Chowk,
01:30he will reach D-Chowk, he will reach D-Chowk, he will reach D-Chowk, he will reach D-Chowk,
01:31he will reach D-Chowk, he will reach D-Chowk, he will reach D-Chowk, he will reach D-Chowk,
01:32he will reach D-Chowk, he will reach D-Chowk, he will reach D-Chowk, he will reach D-Chowk,
01:33he will reach D-Chowk, he will reach D-Chowk, he will reach D-Chowk, he will reach D-Chowk,
01:34he will reach D-Chowk, he will reach D-Chowk, he will reach D-Chowk, he will reach D-Chowk,
01:35he will reach D-Chowk.
02:05says that the government is negotiating with a higher level or cadre.
02:09Listen.
02:10No one is talking to anyone about justice.
02:13And the contact of Mohsin Naqvi Sahib with Barrister Gauhar has been in the compliance
02:17of the Islamabad High Court order and he has been told that this will not be a dispute,
02:22this is illegal.
02:23He is talking to people who are above Naqvi Sahib.
02:26And he is talking to people who matter.
02:28Negotiations have been made.
02:30And we are trying to move forward.
02:34Before the program, I would like to thank Mr. Rauf Hassan, Mr. Rehman Pak, and the
02:37ex-Secretary of Information.
02:38Thank you very much, Mr. Rauf.
02:39Mr. Rauf was supposed to come to our studio, but at the last moment, he said that maybe
02:43he is also under arrest.
02:45So, instead of going to the studio, he is going to contact us via Skype.
02:51And now the internet will also be shut down.
02:53So, I don't know how the communication will be in the next few days in this country.
02:57Mr. Rauf, let's start one by one.
02:59Today, Mr. Mohsin Naqvi has contacted the Chairman of PTI, Mr. Kaim Akam, twice.
03:05Is this correct?
03:07Will you confirm this?
03:11Yes, thank you, Maria.
03:13I am not in a position to confirm this.
03:16Okay.
03:17But till yesterday, you were saying that negotiations are being made.
03:21So, the negotiations that are being made, have they reached a conclusion?
03:26Either way, have your conditions not been met?
03:29And will you go tomorrow and protest on Islamabad?
03:33Look, my statement yesterday was absolutely correct in relation to yesterday.
03:39And yesterday, some of us went to Dalla as well to meet Mr. Khan.
03:46And we wanted to try to move this conversation forward.
03:49But despite waiting, we were not able to meet.
03:54It was said that there was a lack of communication.
03:57I don't know if it was a lack of communication or a change of strategy or a change of board.
04:02But it seems that the conversation has not progressed beyond yesterday.
04:07If Mr. Mohsin Naqvi has accessed Mr. Gaur today,
04:13then I am not ahead of him at the moment.
04:15So, I cannot confirm it one way or the other.
04:18But yesterday, as I said, you were absolutely right in your initial statement
04:22that ultimately, you will have to have a conversation.
04:25Ultimately, there will be a conversation between the establishment and PTI.
04:28It is inevitable.
04:30Without it, the conversation will not move forward.
04:32You told me that since you have not been in contact with Mr. Khan since yesterday,
04:35you do not have clarity on some issues.
04:39Are these negotiations happening directly with Mr. Khan?
04:42Then he tells you that this is the messaging, this is the conversation.
04:45And as a result, a policy is made.
04:47Or is there someone else in contact from within the party?
04:50And who is he?
04:52Mr. Khan has made a team of two people.
04:54A few days ago, you know, when this initiative happened,
04:58Mr. Gaur and Mr. Ali Amin Ghandapur were there.
05:02So, basically, you know, they talk to him.
05:04They go and brief Mr. Khan.
05:06You have seen that two and a half hours of meetings were held the day before and the day after.
05:15So, they take a directive from Mr. Khan, take a brief, take instructions.
05:19And after that, the conversation was going on.
05:21But as I said earlier, since yesterday, it seems that there is a gap, there is a space.
05:29Whatever you say, we hope that this process will start again.
05:35Mr. Ghandapur's presence in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa,
05:38is it also true that there is a gap somewhere?
05:44Because they were coming and going very actively.
05:46So, there is a breakdown.
05:48That is why Mr. Ghandapur is in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.
05:50No, look, there were some other reasons for the breakdown that I will not be able to state here.
05:58There was no breakdown, but it should be said that there is a gap.
06:01I do not say that there is a breakdown even today.
06:03There is a breakdown in the discussions.
06:05But there is a gap that has been created.
06:07Now, this is our call for tomorrow.
06:09Let's see how it progresses tomorrow.
06:12But we cannot hope.
06:14Tonight, do you think that this gap can be filled?
06:18And can there be any progress?
06:20There are still 12-14 hours left.
06:22Do you think there can be any progress tonight or not?
06:26That ship has sailed.
06:27Look, Maria, I am a firm believer.
06:31I am a firm believer.
06:32I am an immaculate optimist, as I call myself.
06:34If a person wants to do something, then everything can be done.
06:38This gap can be completely filled.
06:40And it should be filled.
06:42I am saying two things.
06:43It should be filled.
06:45What are the conditions?
06:46Because the original conditions that you have told us are in front of us.
06:49Return the mandate.
06:50The government will not do it again.
06:51They are adamant about it.
06:52So, that is perhaps a non-starter.
06:54Secondly, roll back the 26th amendment.
06:56They will not do it.
06:57The way they have pushed the 26th amendment through the process,
07:02they have not done it to roll back.
07:04So, what is the most important condition on which the matter can move forward?
07:10That at least this should be a confidence-building measure,
07:13after which we can review our position.
07:16I will not be able to state this, Maria.
07:20I am sorry.
07:21Because we are interested that this process of discussion should move forward.
07:24And if I state, then issues can be created.
07:28But this was not a major issue.
07:32I can only say that the timing was an issue.
07:37And because of that, the momentum that you are seeing now is present.
07:41Okay, I will say that was the release of Yasmeen Rashid and other prisoners on the table?
07:46Was this an important condition from your side?
07:49The release of all people was on the table.
07:52I mean, it is still on the table.
07:54You can see our three conditions.
07:56The first condition is that these innocent prisoners,
07:59who have been in jail for the past one and a half years,
08:02have been given multiple arrests.
08:04They should be released.
08:06But I do not want to move this forward as a condition.
08:10This is definitely one of our three demands.
08:13Okay.
08:14And at some point, can this be considered by the state?
08:20Or was it a strict answer from the beginning?
08:23No, it was not a strict answer at all.
08:26In fact, it has been considered.
08:28Partly once again, I cannot state in what condition.
08:30At the moment, Yasmeen Rashid is in Shaukat Khanam.
08:34So, I will end here.
08:35I do not want to move this forward.
08:37Okay, fine.
08:38Apart from this, do you think that the situation we are seeing now is more strict than before?
08:44The way people are being arrested,
08:47the way people are being thrown out of their hostels,
08:49the way Islamabad and all the motorways have been shut down.
08:52The state is now going to express its full strength.
08:57So, the message from the state is very clear in symbolism.
09:02That even if you want to come, they will not let you come.
09:05So, do you feel that there is more flexibility than before?
09:08Maria, I would like to say that the four political events that took place in the recent past,
09:15this was the attitude of the state.
09:17They stopped us from coming there as well.
09:20You know that we were busy for four, four and a half, five months,
09:24whether we got permission or not.
09:26After that, they made a container station in every city where our convention was held.
09:30In the same way, the police were posted.
09:32In the same way, violent activities have been carried out against the protesters.
09:36They have been doing everything.
09:38There is nothing unusual in this.
09:40But this time you are saying that the state is a little flexible.
09:42So, I want to know that they are showing their flexibility verbally,
09:46but their actions do not show flexibility.
09:49I am just trying to make sense of it.
09:51Look, I will repeat the same thing that what has happened,
09:55which I have stated on television in the last two days,
09:58that development has taken place.
10:00And I still feel that this development will go ahead.
10:03It will go ahead with time.
10:05Which development are you specifically talking about?
10:07Sorry, so that I get clarity.
10:09This development is about negotiations.
10:12Look, there was no breakthrough till five or six days ago.
10:16This is a breakthrough.
10:17After that, there have been meetings and talks.
10:20And there are definitely chances that the talks will go ahead.
10:24Definitely, I am sure that it will go ahead.
10:26So, is there any expectation in that that first you call off this protest,
10:29this convention, and after that,
10:31your conditions will be applied to them considerably slowly.
10:34Is this also a talk?
10:36Yes, it was definitely said that you postpone this.
10:39And after that, your conditions will be followed.
10:42Was this also said?
10:43I cannot confirm this.
10:45Okay.
10:46Okay, Mr. Imran Khan can postpone it.
10:48No one else can do it.
10:50I saw that his wife also came this time and gave a video statement
10:54and said that this date cannot be returned.
10:56So, it seems that this time,
11:01he may come on the front foot and be a little active politically.
11:05Is his wife going to lead this convention, this protest, this rally, this movement, Mr. Rahul?
11:12You have two questions.
11:14I will give.
11:15One is that Mr. Khan did a lot of flexibility show.
11:17When Mr. Ali Ameen and Mr. Gauhar went and told him that these talks have started,
11:21he said that okay, you talk to them.
11:24And he had set the deadline for 21st.
11:26This is now 21st, which was two days ago.
11:29It has passed.
11:30He said that whatever has to be done till 21st, do it.
11:32And there was some progress till 21st, but perhaps there was no substantive progress.
11:37One or two small issues, you know, those things were stalled.
11:40So, it could not increase.
11:41That's why he reiterated that our 24th protest will go ahead.
11:46They will move it forward.
11:47The second thing you found out about Bushra Bibi is that
11:50yesterday, Mr. Khan gave a statement again that
11:52no member of his family, including his wife, has any political role.
11:58And we have reiterated it again and again
12:00that he has no political role.
12:02He is not even leading this movement.
12:04That's why we were surprised, Mr. Rauh, when that video came,
12:06because your party was in a consistent position that he does not have a political role.
12:09He was playing his role behind the scenes.
12:12He was giving messages to the party.
12:14So, what was the need to come forward?
12:16I want to know this.
12:17Because he is apolitical according to your party.
12:19He had to give a message to Mr. Khan.
12:21According to him, he has given a message.
12:23But I will not include this in the context of political role.
12:27This was a statement that he had to convey.
12:29But it was a message that he had to convey.
12:31And his sisters are also messaging.
12:33His sisters are also giving statements.
12:35They come out and talk.
12:37Their political role is that they are present in every rally and protest.
12:41So, for both, the policy is the same that
12:43sisters cannot do political work,
12:45nor can wives.
12:47But there is a difference between the two.
12:49Sisters come to the forefront.
12:51Why is there a difference?
12:53Look, I discussed this distinction yesterday as well.
12:57Look, they don't have a political role.
12:59But as a wife,
13:01and as a sister,
13:03it is their responsibility and their duty
13:05that they play a role for the freedom of their brother and husband.
13:09And in the history of this country,
13:11you know, Nusrat Butto Sahiba has played a role.
13:13In addition to this,
13:15Mrs. Nawaz Sharif has played a role.
13:17And there are other people, Benazir, etc.
13:19All these people have played roles.
13:21But they also played a political role.
13:23But the distinction here is that
13:25neither Begum Sahiba nor her sisters
13:27have a political role.
13:29But, Dr. Sahab, most probably, in all probability,
13:31tomorrow we will see her sisters in any protest.
13:33Will we see Bushra Sahiba as well?
13:35Will we see her physically protesting in any form?
13:39No, the sisters have traditionally come.
13:41They have come to every protest.
13:43So, I can see them participating in the protest.
13:45But I don't see Bushra Sahiba participating in the protest today.
13:49That's right.
13:50Somewhere, there is also an instruction from Mr. Khan
13:52that she should not participate.
13:54Yesterday, he gave a statement
13:56that my wife or my sisters have no political role.
13:59He has repeatedly given this statement.
14:01But unfortunately, it can be seen that
14:03the sisters and wives have a hidden agenda.
14:05They don't want to come forward.
14:07Is it true that the video that came forward
14:09is being claimed from different sources
14:11that it is not the party's policy.
14:13It is their personal statement.
14:15And the party does not associate itself with them.
14:18Are these the right news?
14:20Can you confirm this?
14:22There was no clearance from the party in that statement.
14:26You can deduce the result from that.
14:28But it was a statement.
14:30He said that he wanted to deliver a message from Mr. Khan.
14:33And he gave that statement as a message from Mr. Khan.
14:36So, apart from him,
14:38no one else in the party had watched it?
14:40Was it edited as it is?
14:42Was it recorded and uploaded?
14:46It was not done according to my information.
14:49I am talking about my information.
14:51But it was not done according to that.
14:53Okay, fine.
14:54But it has been tweeted from different accounts of Tehreek-e-Insaf.
14:57And it is there.
14:58After that, there was a backlash.
15:00You can call it a political backlash.
15:02Do you think that the party benefited more from this message?
15:06Or would it have been different if this statement had not been made?
15:10I don't want to get into this debate.
15:13But the way it has been misinterpreted,
15:15it was a very wrong thing.
15:17It shouldn't have happened.
15:18Because Saudi Arabia's name was not mentioned in it.
15:20And it was about some other people.
15:23What was told to them, what was told to Mr. Khan,
15:25he has only repeated that.
15:27Excuse me.
15:31Yes.
15:32That is why, as a secretary-in-law,
15:34because PTI's communication strategy is more vigilant than other parties.
15:40There is a vetting process.
15:41And the way the message is spread,
15:43in that context,
15:45I was asking you a question about this video.
15:48Is it possible that this protest of yours
15:52can be converted into a rally?
15:55Has the government offered you for this?
15:57This is Mr. Khawaja's statement.
15:58He says that there is no harm in holding a rally.
16:00Come and hold a rally.
16:01And then you can go.
16:03Look, our date is starting on 24th.
16:08For this, there are many options on the table.
16:11And they are being discussed on a daily basis.
16:13And as time goes by,
16:15keeping the situation in view,
16:17those options will be exercised.
16:19We will do multiple things.
16:22Multiple events,
16:25the ways of political protest,
16:30we will adopt.
16:31Maybe one is different from the other.
16:35But we are keeping our options open.
16:37This date is starting on 24th.
16:39If you read the message,
16:41which has been released by PTI,
16:42this morning,
16:43after the meeting of our political committee last night,
16:46this date is starting on 24th.
16:49And it will continue until
16:51our targets are achieved.
16:54So, it's not a one-day event.
16:56It is not being seen as a one-day event.
16:58What is the scale of success?
17:00It is obvious that governments do not
17:02leave such initiatives.
17:05So, what is the scale of success?
17:08What is your goal?
17:11There are two scales.
17:13One is to meet our demands.
17:18You have said this in the beginning.
17:20You have said during the discussion
17:22that it may not be possible.
17:24The second scale is
17:26to start serious negotiations.
17:30And if we can get a CBM in this regard,
17:33then it will be very beneficial.
17:36Then we can move forward.
17:38But this option,
17:40I can tell you very clearly,
17:42this initiative will not be bought.
17:45In any case.
17:46Even if negotiations start,
17:48it will not be bought.
17:50It will be on hold.
17:52It will not be bought.
17:54It will be on hold.
17:55But as a result of negotiations,
17:57there are CBMs on both sides.
17:59If you give face-saving to the government,
18:01it is mutual.
18:03You have all taken a maximal position politically.
18:06The government has also said that
18:08they will not leave.
18:09You will say that we will not leave.
18:11So, you have to find a way out of it.
18:13You can give that face-saving justice
18:15by calling off your protest.
18:17But the government more or less
18:19wants you to accept this system
18:21and let it run.
18:22Even if Mr. Khan comes out.
18:24So, what do you have to give
18:26other than calling off this protest?
18:28What has this system given
18:30to the state of Pakistan in the last 76 years?
18:32Corruption, deprivation,
18:34hunger and poverty.
18:36What has this system given
18:38that we want to fight for this system?
18:40If some changes can be brought in the system
18:42and it can be made people-specific,
18:44state-specific,
18:46then what is wrong in that?
18:48It cannot be done overnight.
18:50This is not a one-day job.
18:52This work should start.
18:54And in that regard,
18:56a consensus will be needed.
18:58The freedom fighters of the country
19:00will have to sit down and talk
19:02I agree with this.
19:04Let's come to the issue of Pada Chanar.
19:06I have a lot of problems
19:08with the state response.
19:10The government should have
19:12called a meeting
19:14and made all stakeholders sit.
19:16They should have called the minister
19:18and made him chair.
19:20Unfortunately, this did not happen
19:22because there is a lot of tension
19:24between the government and the state.
19:26But the minister has not yet
19:28gone to Pada Chanar.
19:30The sense of urgency
19:32on this issue
19:34from the CM of that province
19:36was not seen symbolically.
19:38We did not see it in our people.
19:40It has been 48 hours since this incident.
19:42Even after that, the situation is out of control.
19:46The CM has sent a delegation
19:48of senior cabinet members
19:50to Pada Chanar.
19:52They are currently
19:54negotiating.
19:56Why is the CM
19:58not leading?
20:00This is my problem.
20:02Why is the CM
20:04not leading?
20:06Why is he more focused
20:08on Islamabad?
20:10There is a focus
20:12on Islamabad.
20:16The CM is directly involved
20:18in the negotiation process.
20:20He is not physically present.
20:22That does not mean he is not involved.
20:24He is on the ground.
20:26He is talking to people
20:28from all walks of life.
20:30I am sure you will soon hear
20:32that a peaceful solution
20:34has been found.
20:36This is not a new problem.
20:38This is a very old problem.
20:40Unfortunately,
20:42like many other problems,
20:44this has never been solved.
20:46I hope that
20:48this problem can be
20:50effectively solved by our government.
20:52How will the people of Pada Chanar
20:54feel that their CM is leading
20:56a movement in Islamabad
20:58but could not reach them?
21:02The people of Pada Chanar
21:04are supporting our movement.
21:06This is a sectarian crisis.
21:08You know the reasons.
21:10We are fully involved
21:12in this.
21:14We are trying
21:16to end this
21:18temporarily.
21:20We will sit down and
21:22find a long-term solution.
21:24This problem will not be solved in a day or two.
21:26We need time.
21:28The people of Pada Chanar
21:30are also supporting our movement.
21:32They will also be involved
21:34in this movement.
21:36Thank you very much.
21:38I wish I could agree with you.
21:40In an existential crisis,
21:42who would prefer
21:44a political movement
21:46like this
21:48or a movement
21:50for survival?
21:52I do not agree with you.
21:54Who is paying the cost
21:56of this protest?
21:58It is the transporters
22:00who carry the containers
22:02to close the cities.
22:04It is the students
22:06who have been expelled
22:08from their hostels.
22:10They do not have a place to go.
22:12These are the real problems
22:14that the government
22:16is creating for the people.
22:18We will talk about this in the break.
22:22Welcome back.
22:24As a result of the protest,
22:26the government has a strategy
22:28to close everything.
22:30They want to expel the students
22:32from their hostels.
22:34They want to close the city
22:36with containers.
22:38They want to slow down the internet
22:40and turn off the mobile signals.
22:42There is no other strategy.
22:44The roads have been dug
22:46and the motorway has been closed.
22:48This is a cost for everyone.
22:50The business people
22:52are directly affected by this.
22:54We will talk about this in the program.
22:56What is the estimated cost
22:58of this?
23:00Our Economic Advisory Wing
23:02has estimated
23:04190 billion rupees
23:06per day.
23:08If this goes on for two,
23:10three, four days,
23:12what a loss to the economy.
23:42We have been asked to vacate
23:44the hotels.
23:46Today, the police has come
23:48to expel the guests.
23:50Who are these guests
23:52that the police has come to expel?
23:54The students in the hostels
23:56have been severely cracked down.
23:58They are being expelled
24:00from the hostels.
24:02In light of the protest on 24th November,
24:04the Islamabad administration
24:06has ordered to close the bus stops,
24:08roads and hostels.
24:10A famous student
24:12from Islamabad
24:14told us that
24:16they are not revealing
24:18the identity of the student
24:20because they fear
24:22that the student
24:24may be in trouble.
24:26He said that
24:28the administration
24:30has been pressuring
24:32them to close the hostels
24:34immediately.
24:36The student said that
24:38the student was forced
24:40to return to the hostel.
24:42The student said that
24:44it was not possible
24:46for him to return
24:48on such a short notice.
24:50The hostel administration
24:52is cooperating with us
24:54but they are forced to do so.
24:56A woman student said
24:58that due to the closure
25:00of the hostel and the bus stops,
25:02she has reached her
25:04in-laws' house after
25:06the protest.
25:36The situation is such
25:38that no one
25:40was informed.
25:42Suddenly,
25:44some police vehicles
25:46came and
25:48asked us to close the bus stops.
25:50They asked us to turn off the lights.
25:52Their attitude was
25:54very strict.
25:56At that time,
25:58some vehicles
26:00had passengers
26:02in them.
26:04We requested them
26:06to let the passengers
26:08go but
26:10they did not listen to us.
26:12I would like to say
26:14that for public transport,
26:16which I represent
26:18the whole of Pakistan
26:20and especially Punjab,
26:22which is a very big province,
26:24I would like to say
26:26that when we
26:28say that the Israq
26:30protest,
26:32this community
26:34is not suitable for it.
26:36We have thousands
26:38of people in Punjab
26:40and lakhs of people
26:42in the whole of Pakistan.
26:44According to Rose,
26:46there are three sources in Lahore.
26:48One is Badami Bagh,
26:50one is here
26:52where the D-class terminals
26:54are located,
26:56and one is at Thokar Niaz Beg.
26:58There are three sources
27:00and approximately
27:02more than lakhs of people
27:04come here and
27:06go to other cities.
27:08You can guess
27:10how many people are
27:12worried at the moment.
27:14I requested the government
27:16at a press conference
27:18that we do not want
27:20to send vehicles to Islamabad
27:22because our vehicles
27:24are very expensive
27:26and expensive.
27:28We are a part
27:30of the government
27:32because we are businessmen.
27:34Apart from our business,
27:36we have no
27:38relationship with any
27:40political party.
27:42We just want
27:44the rest of the life
27:46to go on.
27:48The opposition
27:50and the government
27:52should think about it.
27:54One more thing.
27:56Most of the people
27:58who come to us
28:00do this according
28:02to their daily wages.
28:04The government has not
28:06stopped the train yet.
28:08They have not stopped
28:10the transport yet.
28:12Has the government
28:14told you how long
28:16it will be closed?
28:18Has the government
28:20given you a timeline?
28:22No, not at all.
28:24I did a press conference
28:26in the afternoon.
28:28I requested the government
28:30but no government representative
28:32contacted us.
28:34I was saying that
28:36the poor people
28:38with daily wages
28:40are in thousands.
28:42What will happen to them?
28:44This protest
28:46should not have happened
28:48in any way.
28:50I should not say
28:52that the representatives
28:54we select
28:56should go and protest.
28:58The people are worried
29:00about food.
29:02You know the situation
29:04in Pakistan.
29:06You said that
29:08more than one lakh people
29:10are affected by this.
29:12This is a huge number.
29:14There is a lot of panic,
29:16chaos and uncertainty.
29:18We see containers
29:20everywhere.
29:22Where do these containers
29:24come from?
29:26Does the government
29:28take them on rent?
29:30The number of containers
29:32is increasing with every protest.
29:34We saw three containers
29:36earlier.
29:38Thank you for
29:40inviting me to the program.
29:42You are right.
29:44Earlier there were
29:46more than 10 vehicles.
29:48Now there are
29:50more than 10 vehicles.
29:52It seems that
29:54in Rawalpindi
29:56at least
29:581200 vehicles
30:00have been engaged.
30:02There are 30 police stations
30:04in Rawalpindi.
30:06Some vehicles
30:08are being added to Chisnaabad.
30:10The vehicles that are
30:12in the attack area
30:14in Rawalpindi
30:16at least 1200 vehicles
30:18have been engaged.
30:20What is the
30:22backlog?
30:24What happens
30:26when the vehicles
30:28stop?
30:30When the vehicles
30:32stop, the daily wages
30:34are charged.
30:36In Rawalpindi city,
30:38about 500 to 800
30:40vehicles come here
30:42and
30:44the vehicles
30:46from Hazara division
30:48to Birbistan
30:50exit here.
30:52There are
30:54at least 25,000 to 30,000
30:56workers here.
30:58This is not only
31:00the effect of the
31:02gold transporters.
31:04The business community
31:06is also suffering.
31:08The daily charges
31:10are also there.
31:12When the vehicles
31:14stop here,
31:16the behaviour of the drivers
31:18is also bad.
31:20These things are multiple.
31:22It is a very sad thing.
31:24What can we do?
31:26There is no strategy here.
31:28There is no law here.
31:30The date of the protest
31:32was given on 24th.
31:34Did you have any
31:36discussions
31:38with the government
31:40about how to
31:42make the people
31:44suffer?
31:46Did you have any
31:48negotiation process?
31:50There is no negotiation
31:52process here.
31:54It is expected that
31:56whenever there is a call,
31:58the government
32:00takes the vehicle
32:02of the gold transporter
32:04and puts it on the road.
32:06If there is an incident,
32:08who is responsible for it?
32:10They themselves
32:12say that
32:14the authorities
32:16know the current
32:18situation of Pakistan
32:20and they know
32:22that they have to face
32:24these issues every day.
32:26They should make a strategy
32:28and hire containers.
32:30They should stop
32:32the gold transporters
32:34and talk to them.
32:36How much is the
32:38rent of one container
32:40per day?
32:42Minimum
32:44is Rs. 10,000.
32:46A small vehicle
32:48costs Rs. 5,000 and a big
32:50vehicle costs Rs. 10,000 per day.
32:52When you say that they engage,
32:54what do you mean by that?
32:56Do they stop you or compensate you?
32:58No, there is no
33:00compensation.
33:02On the road,
33:04they get an order
33:06to take the keys
33:08and documentation
33:10and put them on the side.
33:12The driver
33:14of the vehicle
33:16does not get
33:18any food.
33:20Where do they go
33:22to buy food?
33:24Thank you very much,
33:26Asmatullah Khan and
33:28Shakeel Qureshi were with us.
33:30Traditionally,
33:32the traders
33:34are the voters
33:36of the Noon League.
33:38This is their
33:40impression.
33:42You can see their complaints.
33:44It is a mental torture
33:46and the cost of the economy.
33:48Who is paying?
33:50We are paying.
33:52We will come back.
33:54What is the government's
33:56plan for tomorrow?
33:58Is it closed?
34:00Is there a chance
34:02for the citizens to protest?
34:04Stay with us after the break.
34:08Welcome back.
34:10If there is no major breakthrough,
34:12the government and the opposition
34:14will face each other tomorrow.
34:16It is a strange and unfortunate situation.
34:18It seems that the forces
34:20of two different countries
34:22are fighting each other.
34:24But this is not the case.
34:26It is a stand-down
34:28between the opposition
34:30and the opposition parties.
34:32It is a face-off situation.
34:34Hassan Hafeez
34:36and Babur Malik
34:38will talk about this.
34:40Both of them are reporters
34:42and representatives of
34:44ARY News.
34:46They will talk about
34:48the government's actions
34:50in Islamabad and Lahore.
34:52Hassan, let's start with you.
34:54Do you think that
34:56people can leave Lahore?
34:58Do you think that
35:00the leadership of Lahore
35:02will protest in Lahore?
35:04All roads are closed.
35:06I saw on a Google map
35:08that only the Waga border
35:10can enter Lahore.
35:12All other roads are sealed.
35:14Is this right?
35:16Thank you, Maria.
35:18You are right.
35:20If Lahore is said to be
35:22the gateway to Islamabad,
35:24this is not wrong.
35:26The situation in Lahore
35:28is that there are
35:30three to four ways
35:32to enter Lahore.
35:34The first one is
35:36the GT road.
35:38The second one
35:40is the motorway.
35:42The motorway, Babusabu interchange,
35:44Thokar Niaz Beg,
35:46and all other roads
35:48are sealed.
35:50There are no containers
35:52in one layer.
35:54As you said,
35:56we collected information
35:58in the last protest
36:00and investigated.
36:02There were containers
36:04in one layer.
36:06In this protest call,
36:08there are containers
36:10in two layers.
36:12If we talk about Babusabu,
36:14there are two layers
36:16of containers on both
36:18sides of Babusabu.
36:20The police is ready
36:22with all their equipment.
36:24If we talk about Thokar Niaz Beg,
36:26it is also sealed.
36:28The ring road is also sealed.
36:30If someone wants to come
36:32by air,
36:34no one can come.
36:36Even a bird cannot fly
36:38in Lahore.
36:40Some people said that
36:42they can come by GT road.
36:44There are containers
36:46at every point.
36:58Some containers
37:00are kept aside
37:02for backup.
37:04It is also said
37:06that heavy machinery
37:08will come with them.
37:10In this situation,
37:12there are five containers
37:14in Lahore.
37:16The government has
37:18deployed all its machinery
37:20to stop the protest.
37:22You are saying that
37:24they have taken
37:26very strict action.
37:28Is it the same in Pindi Islamabad?
37:30Yes.
37:32Rawalpindi and Islamabad
37:34are completely
37:36sealed.
37:38Motorways and GT roads
37:40are completely closed in Rawalpindi
37:42and Islamabad.
37:44If you want to come by GT road,
37:46there are containers
37:48at Rawalpindi and Islamabad.
37:50Rawalpindi and Islamabad
37:52are sealed on three layers.
38:00Containers are kept
38:02and roads are closed.
38:04Jhelum bridge is also closed.
38:06All the roads,
38:08hotels,
38:10and restaurants
38:12in Faizabad
38:14are closed.
38:18Hostels are also being
38:20vacated.
38:22Why is this?
38:24What does the government know
38:26that they are operating
38:28in hostels and flats?
38:30What are their concerns?
38:32Before this,
38:34there were protests
38:36in Rawalpindi and Islamabad.
38:38We have not seen
38:40such arrangements.
38:42These protests started
38:443-4 days ago.
38:46Hotels
38:48and restaurants
38:50have been vacated.
38:52The government
38:54is trying to
38:56control Rawalpindi
38:58and Islamabad
39:00on its own.
39:02They are taking all the
39:04security measures
39:06in Rawalpindi
39:08and Islamabad.
39:10If we talk about Rawalpindi
39:12and Islamabad,
39:14IG Punjab
39:16has come to attack
39:18the DPOs.
39:20They are trying to
39:22control the traffic
39:24coming from KPK
39:26and Hazara Expressway.
39:28They are trying
39:30to control the traffic
39:32coming from Punjab
39:34and Islamabad.
39:36They are trying
39:38to control the traffic
39:40coming from Punjab
39:42and Islamabad.
39:44They are trying
39:46to control the traffic
39:48coming from Punjab
39:50and Islamabad.
39:52They might
39:54cut off traffic
39:56in any direction.
39:58Thank you Mr. Babur Malik
40:00for the interview.
40:02down to that. Sanity prevailed in
40:27the key.