Video Information: 22.06.2023, GSE, Goa
Context:
~ What is conditioning?
~ What is death?
~ How are people processes?
~ Why is there no person, only a form of chemicals?
~ Why is the wrong center actually no center?
~ Why does the ego always need someone's company?
Music Credits: Milind Date
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Context:
~ What is conditioning?
~ What is death?
~ How are people processes?
~ Why is there no person, only a form of chemicals?
~ Why is the wrong center actually no center?
~ Why does the ego always need someone's company?
Music Credits: Milind Date
~~~
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LearningTranscript
00:00Good evening, sir. So, sir, when we talk about the common consciousness and the way you were
00:10explaining it, is that also just the conditioning?
00:15See, material is conditioning. That which is a product of certain conditions is called
00:24material. Is there anything in Prakriti that is not a product of its conditions? So, what
00:30is conditioning? Conditioning is both a process and an output. Everything is conditioned.
00:41There is nothing that just shows up. Everything is a result of a process. That's called conditioning.
00:52So, when we say that there is no difference between life and death in this way, in Prakriti,
01:04but can we still say that death is end of the reaction?
01:09Change in reaction, but that reaction, but that change is anyway always happening. You
01:14see, an iron piece experiences an attractive force towards a magnet, right? The iron is
01:25at a distance of 1 meter from the magnet, right? And the iron piece is drawn towards
01:34the magnet and now it's at a distance of 0.5 meters from the magnet. What happens to the
01:40attractive pull? It grows stronger. Right. So, something has changed. Changed, nothing
01:49else. That's not death. That's not nothing else. That's just change. In one condition,
01:57you are behaving in one way. Now your condition has changed, so you are behaving in another way.
02:08So, if I were to put it very, very, very summarily, can we just say that we are like animals?
02:20That's a lot of aggrandization. But yes, given that no animal ostensibly has enrolled in
02:36this course, we can say that and get away with that. Once, you know, if you see people
03:01as people, you'll be very angry at them. If you see people as animals, you'd still
03:11have some expectations. But if you can see people as processes, the first thing that
03:18you will lose is anger. The fellow is not a fellow. The fellow is a process. How can
03:32you get angry at a process? The fellow is not a fellow. The fellow is a mass of chemicals.
03:43How can you get angry at hydrogen peroxide? You are calling that fellow by some name.
03:53Give me a name. Some fellow you get usually angry at. Tony. Tony is not a person. Tony
04:06is a per chloride. So, are we all. Ahimsa is to, ahimsa is not about not getting angry
04:22on people. Ahimsa is about seeing the pointlessness of anger. The fact is that the other fellow
04:33cannot help doing what he is doing because he is a process. The iron piece cannot help
04:43doing what he does, what it does. Just as you call animals not as he but as it. Start
04:51calling people not as he but as it. And then you find that anger becomes untenable. There
05:00is no person. There is just iron and magnet and nitric acid and sand. How do you get angry
05:07at sand? There is no person. But that is possible only if you first of all start seeing that
05:20I am not a person. I remaining a person, I cannot call that one as a process. There is
05:29a process here. There is a process there. What is there to get angry about? He did what
05:35he could. Therefore, I have been insisting continuously that consciousness, real consciousness
05:47is choice. In a process, there is no choice. The fellow in front of you, how much of choice
05:55does he have? If he has no choice, why get angry? And if he has choice, then the mark
06:12of having choice is that you will not choose wrongly and then you will not get a reason
06:19to be angry at him. Had he really had choice, he would have chosen rightly and had he chosen
06:30rightly, you would have found no reason to get mad at him. So, if you claim that he is
06:40choosing wrongly, actually he is not choosing at all. There is nothing called right choice
06:46and wrong choice. There is just called the presence, something called the presence and
06:51something called the absence of choice. Presence of choice is the right choice. Absence of
06:57choice is the wrong choice. When you find somebody making a wrong choice, please know
07:04that the fellow was helpless and choiceless. There was no fellow. There was just a process.
07:13Or there was a wrong choice. No process has the capacity to choose something beyond itself.
07:23You do not exist. How do I get angry at you? You do not exist. How do I get angry at you?
07:31You are a mass. A mass without a centre. Who do I get angry at? One cannot get angry at
07:41an amorphous mass of things. There must be some point to get angry at. You don't have a point.
07:50You don't have a centre. So, what we call as the wrong centre is actually no centre.
08:07There is either a centre or just looseness. There is nothing called the wrong centre really.
08:21This also kind of answers the question that I had. Ego is hell-bent upon identification.
08:31That's what Arjun is doing. And that's what Krishna is trying to make him acknowledge and recognise.
08:39What purpose does it serve for ego? Think of someone who is trying to gate crash into a party.
08:52What will he tell the doorkeeper? There is somebody inside I know.
08:58So, if you are to enter a party uninvited, you must continuously assert that you know the people inside.
09:09You must continuously be seen hands in hands with someone. Otherwise the bouncer will throw you out.
09:20Are you getting? Okay. There is a hotel. You don't really have a room there.
09:30You don't really have a room there. Still you want to enter the hotel.
09:38What is it that you must continuously keep telling the hotel staff?
09:45I know one of the guests. One of the guests. And the fact is you don't know any of the guests.
09:50So, what do you keep changing? The names. The room number that you quote and the names that you quote.
09:58Do the residents need to make up a story? No. But does the intruder need to make up a story?
10:10Yes. Always. The ego is the intruder. So, the ego always needs somebody's company to roam around.
10:19If the ego is found roaming around the resort campus, solo, all by itself, what will happen?
10:27It will be thrown out. It will be thrown out. The only way it can survive inside the campus,
10:33the resort, the hotel campus, is by being seen in somebody's company.
10:39And then the ego will be respected because it is with someone.
10:43The ego will be allowed to exist because it is with someone.
10:48So, that's the only way the ego can survive. By being with someone.
11:04And the ego always says in its own justification that the residents need me. Therefore, I exist.
11:12The fact is even without the intruder, the residents are completely adequate, at rest, satisfied, balanced, in harmony.
11:33I think so. Thank you.