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00:27180 weight loss calm Tommy Curran. How we doing this week?
00:31Tremendous
00:32How's everything? Well, it was good before the Patriots dropped the game the way they did on Sunday
00:38We don't need to get right into your flex of the game
00:40But where do you start with the blame that goes around for that loss?
00:43I know your latest is up at NBC Sports, Boston. You feel like they're still too passive
00:49Yeah way too passive
00:50I mean when you go ahead and capture momentum the way they did
00:55With the touchdown off the Antonio Gibson run
00:58After having been backed up by a yet another penalty on the prior play
01:03You've got it in your hands when Christian Gonzalez makes a pick with eight minutes left. You're at the 48-yard line
01:09You just went ahead
01:11You're out playing
01:13the Colts on
01:15virtually every front except for
01:18silly decisions
01:19So just gain 20 yards kick the field goal the party's over yet for the first time in the entire game the Patriots open to
01:27drive with consecutive runs run run
01:31Third down pass attempt turns into a sack punt
01:3619 plays 80 yards touchdown. The other team decides on the road. We're not that great might as well go for two
01:43They get it
01:45That's how you should operate
01:47Not necessarily you don't want to emulate the Colts
01:50But if you're a 3 and 19 trying to avoid 3 and 10
01:54As we've said a couple times on this if you're gonna be a bear be a grizzly attack
01:59So that bothered me a great deal. What about the the closing sequence?
02:04You go for the NFL record 68 yard field goal, or are you heaving a Hail Mary? I
02:11Think on the face of it
02:13I was shaking my head. But then when I see how close the kick came I said, all right
02:17I know because when you look at there was the 65-yard attempt I saw this on on Twitter
02:23There was a 65-yard kick that he had hit in a pregame
02:27At the Jets a couple of weeks earlier and that cleared the bar by a lot
02:34So either way, it's a scratch ticket
02:38You don't have downfield receivers necessarily who are going to come up with that catch
02:42I mean you can ask hunter Henry to run 60 yards downfield and get to the end zone before we break make it
02:48The Monterey Jacobs probably not so it didn't drive the backcrack
02:53Neely nor did the the non challenge of the will Mallory
02:58I heard you saying this on TV last night. I think it was maybe his post game on Sunday
03:03I I thought that was egregious that didn't bother you
03:07Well, first of all Evan Rothstein, I think you could have challenged it
03:12And I wouldn't have said well, that's a stupid challenge, but it was never going to be overturned
03:16Absolutely, never going to be overturned. That was the Burt Emanuel rule
03:21Perfectly exact perfect example of it. No, it was so quick
03:24I could see the logic in it put him in fourth and ten instead of fourth and three and
03:29Evan Rothstein has certainly not helped and that's the Patriots, you know game situation manager. He's the latest Ernie Adams
03:37For Gerard Mayo, he's had a horrendous year behind the curtains
03:42When you talk about game management clock management and decision-making that he should be advising Mayo on
03:47But they weren't gonna overturn that catch
03:50Out of the big four as I like to call them drop. Wait, wait, wait Jones disagree Jones
03:57I would a challenge. I think they would have won it but I look if you if you think there's no chance
04:01Then I don't think I mean, it's a you you don't have to fold you Ted. You could see
04:07I mean you you came at me with the Burt Emanuel rule. I gotta be honest. I wasn't quite ready for that
04:11I
04:13remember
04:14see
04:16Watch watch the Burt Emanuel thing and and the ball doesn't move doesn't leave his body
04:21The ball did not leave Mallory's bodies or hands. His hands are under it
04:27Now I didn't roll it but his hands were still on it
04:31Well, I watched the thing like 19 times I wanted to be
04:37In real time and then like the two replays in the game, I thought it was on the ground
04:40We may never know
04:42Yeah, I did those approvers. Thank you. Got it. We'll take your word for it. Then. Yeah, you did more research than we did
04:48Tom out of the the power structure of Gerard Mayo Alex van Pelt to Marcus Covington and Elliot Wolfe for this conversation
04:57Out of those four guys, who do you think is most likely to be back?
05:01Like the safest to be back for 2025 all the way down to who is most likely to not be back
05:08Well, that's a tough one
05:11Well, I mean just most likely like who's safest who's who's the least safe?
05:16I would say Covington is probably in the most tenuous. I don't think any of them are gonna lose their jobs
05:21Okay, I think Covington is the most in the most tenuous spot and then it would go van Pelt
05:28Then Mayo then Wolfe, but again, I think it's less than 90% chance
05:33For the top three and probably closer to 85, I think they'll bring support in for any and all of them
05:42Certainly for Covington, I think van Pelt if the Patriots considered moving on from van Pelt I would question
05:51Everything about their decision-making. He is the least of their friggin problems
05:56Why uh, why do you have one?
05:58Well, no, I just well, I'm just curious why you have Wolfe is the safest then and not van Pelt is the safest
06:03But they're so committed to because they're so no I'm because I'm trying to predict what they would do
06:08Yeah, got it. Got my opinion of what they would do
06:10I would tell I would walk into Elliot Wolfe's office right now
06:13I would say you better not screw anything up. And if anybody gets released as a GM who we like bye. I
06:21Mean it's been it's I just added up the six wide receivers. They've selected since 2018
06:28It's Jalen Polk J Vaughn Baker
06:32the Mario Douglas
06:34Rain Nixon Taekwon Thornton and Nikhil Harry. And yes, it does date back to build
06:41but that's that's that's the only six guys they've drafted and you know, he's on the hook for
06:47three of them
06:49Thornton, excuse me for and Douglas has been productive. So Douglas
06:55Polk Baker and you want to have that group in the personnel department
07:01In charge of finding the wide receivers to help support Drake may I would not
07:05You know, you looked defensively and I'm with you on the on Covington. I just feel like he's had a rough year
07:12There's been certain, you know defensive play calls that we've pointed to we've talked about with you
07:17How much of it is him maybe being in over his head or how much of it is not having great personnel?
07:24I
07:25Think it's support around him. I don't think he personally is in over his head
07:29Although that you could make that case fairly easily. He's an experienced. He doesn't know what he doesn't know yet. He overestimates what perhaps
07:37Some of his players can do
07:40He has no pass rush. So that's fighting with one hand tied behind your back. So that's some personnel stuff
07:47But I think it's a mix and I think that a lot of it has to do with
07:51What we've discussed before in the brain drain it's not just Bill Belichick leaving
07:55And his ability to probably walk over something in two seconds ago. Here's your problem right here and then walk away
08:01It's Steve Belichick leaving as a play caller and it's it's Gerard Mayo's
08:06divided attention having gone from the defense full time to now probably giving a
08:11Sliver of his time to the defense with all the things that he has to encounter as a first-year head coach it just again
08:18Shows us it's all crystallized. Boy, it's gonna be hard for all these first-year head coaches
08:24Or all these first-year coordinators who don't even know each other to they have a good year together in some ways
08:30And I'm not pretending that it's good in some ways
08:33They've been more competitive than I would have expected given the inexperience in the talent level
08:39Tommy Curran NBC Sports Boston, you can check out his latest there on the Patriots their game against the Colts
08:44The Patriots their game against the Colts, what is your flex of the game Tommy Curran presented by flex car
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08:53Let's go with positive and say that the flex of the game is the ability of Drake May
08:59To so drastically improve as an NFL quarterback
09:03Compared to where he was in college believe it or not in 2023 his completion percentage in North Carolina
09:10Was 63 percent in the National Football League
09:14Probably with similar level receivers gonna say worse
09:19It's sixty seven point three. No, I'm just talking about last year. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah
09:24it's sixty seven point three in the NFL and
09:28again, I would
09:30Ascribe some of that credit
09:32to Alex van Pelt look I'm
09:35irritated about
09:37The conservative play calling that I'm sure emanates from Alex van Pelt that they have not recovered from
09:43The first do no harm mentality that they had when they started the season with Jacoby preset
09:51But if he can get off of that if somebody can convince him to say we're an attack team
09:55When in doubt we attack
09:57Then I think they have a really good developer
10:00You know, I was we were hoping to have Alex van Pelt on the show today and it ended up I guess it's not
10:05Happening this week. Maybe we'll have him on next week
10:07But one of the questions I want to ask him and I don't know if he'll give a real answer on this
10:10But we know he calls the plays but the head coach oversees everything the head coach can influence whatever he wants
10:16I'm curious after
10:19Christian Gonzalez comes up with that interception
10:21Does Mayo say?
10:24Hey, let's kind of bleed some clock here. Let's take care of it or
10:28They get van Pelt wants to air it out and take a shot. Like can he do that or really I wonder how
10:34Much input if any Gerard Mayo would have on certain types of play call not specific play calls
10:39But sort of like hey, maybe go run run here or you know air it out
10:44Yeah, let's try and work some clock. Don't even say not even say let's go run run
10:49Let's try and work some clock because that's absolutely the mentality that they were using. They're trying to use the entire play clock
10:55Well, how far are you gonna write it down two minutes? You're only
10:58Right
11:00You're ahead. You're at the 50. They're getting the ball back
11:03attack score
11:05it's it's the situational football that I
11:09just don't think that and I've said this before to between Bill Belichick and Ernie Adams at
11:16Wherever the hell they were Phillips Academy Exeter. I have no idea meeting sharing a brain then adding Weiss
11:24then
11:25Adding Cornell all the players who played for Bill the fact that he coached in New York beginning in the 80s
11:34all the way through by the time he got to
11:36The Patriots was 2000 you had a bunch of guys who shared a brain
11:40You wouldn't have to look at each other and go. What do we want to do here? They knew
11:44These guys don't they?
11:47They could have said no to the jobs
11:49They didn't so now they get the criticism that comes with them. You've mentioned bill a handful of times
11:55We played a clip from him. We're gonna play it again coming up on the the let's go podcast ripping the Patriots pretty good
12:01I want to focus on something else
12:02He said in that interview where he was very
12:05Complimentary of Aaron Rodgers and he thinks Aaron Rodgers has more left in the tank and he went through this long list of you know
12:11Quarterbacks who have had bounce-back seasons after a down season
12:15Could you see bill and Aaron Rodgers working together somewhere next season not not with the Jets but somewhere in the NFL next season
12:23If bill has changed his stripes, I would think that would be a possibility
12:28I just don't think that bill Belichick likes to have people
12:32with
12:35Personalities sway
12:38Influence bigger than his he doesn't want an independent thinker running the offense
12:45He doesn't he wants that player to do what he wants and the first time Aaron Rodgers gives him the stink face
12:52He's gonna be going to Trevor Simeon or whoever he can as soon as possible. I mean, that's
12:58So in theory, I understand it, but Bill's track record does not indicate that he's looking for a quarterback
13:06To have an outsized personality or influence on the team. It was the the main
13:13agitation was with Brady
13:15You know now that we're what 13 weeks in we've seen bill do is, you know, nine different jobs and everything else
13:21As of right now, how likely do you think it is that he is a head coach in the NFL next year?
13:26We know there's at least three openings
13:28there's probably gonna be close to ten when we're going through all the different teams is
13:32The appetite to bring bill in gonna be higher than it was a year ago when really there was no interest
13:37I think there's gonna be so many openings and you know last year there was one opportunity and he was rebuffed
13:45I think there'll be many more
13:47Opportunities this time around because he has done a decent buff and shine on who he is. There is separation
13:53from the
13:562019 to 2023 Patriots and I think fan bases having watched the ineptitude of
14:03coaches in situations
14:05time management
14:07In-game decisions are going to say why would you why would you have a an in-game genius?
14:14Sitting right in front of you and not hire him
14:17They don't understand that there's a lot of other things that come with it. It's not just Sunday from 1 to 4, right?
14:23He's Tommy Curran. You can check out his work at NBC Sports
14:25Boston his latest is up now Patriots conservative approach in key moments is holding them back. You can see him on quick slants tonight
14:32I've heard you can see him on early edition with Rich Keefe tonight. I'll see you there Tom
14:37Oh, I'm so psyched that he's on. Yes, sir
14:40I'm so psyched that he's on. I like Rich Keefe so much
14:48Compliments, well, I mean it. Okay, really? I'm a huge Rich Keefe fan. All right, very good. Very good
14:53Well, the feelings mutual and I will see you there tonight. Okay, we'll be watching
15:01All right, he's on there sometimes do all right, thank you Tom
15:04Thanks, Tommy guys. Tommy current NBC Sports
15:08Rich Keefe Tommy current you go ahead and save that drop Nick anybody else any other big stars there?
15:12Oh, it's gonna be training. So it's trying to show and then me and I think Burt Breer and current
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