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00:00A new issue that has become a challenge for the government, and especially today was the last date given to the government by the J.U.I.
00:06That is the matter of registration of Madrasas.
00:09Now a big division is visible on this.
00:11Many scholars are in agreement that the registration of Madrasas should be under the Ministry of Education.
00:17But Maulana Fazlur Rehman's demand is that the registration of Madrasas should be under Section 21 of Society Act 1860.
00:26Society Act 1860 was implemented at a time when there was no law on the registration of Madrasas.
00:33But after the advent of APS, the National Action Plan was made.
00:36After the National Action Plan, it was decided that all Madrasas will be registered under the Ministry of Education.
00:43And after registration, which students are coming from outside, which students are coming from outside the country,
00:49what is being taught and where is the funding coming from, all the details of the bank will also be monitored.
00:55Along with this, the interesting thing is that if Madrasas are registered under Section 21 of Society Act 1860,
01:05then they come under the Ministry of Commerce.
01:07And the Ministry of Commerce can neither see which students are coming from outside the country,
01:12nor can they see the details of the bank account, nor can they see what Madrasas are teaching.
01:18So what is going on between the Ministry of Education and the Ministry of Commerce?
01:23We will talk about this.
01:25Because MQM is an important part of the government.
01:27And big promises were also made with MQM at the time of the 26th Amendment.
01:31Mr. Mustafa Kamal is with us, Senior Director of MQM.
01:34Thank you very much, Mr. Mustafa Kamal, for joining us.
01:36Mr. Mustafa, I think the JUI is now thinking,
01:40and we are talking to many leaders, that the promise made to us at the time of the 26th Amendment is not being fulfilled.
01:48We had said about the registration of Madrasas, that you register it under the Society Act 1860.
01:55They are not ready to do that now.
01:57Has the government stood down?
02:00Or is there some other issue?
02:04As a nutshell, I think you cannot say that all the promises made in the 26th Amendment have not been fulfilled.
02:17You know that there were a lot of points in it.
02:22There were a lot of things in it that had no issues or problems.
02:29If there is an issue on any of those points, it is related to the registration of Madrasas.
02:38That means that a lot of other things that have no issues have been solved.
02:44As it is, all the commitments have been fulfilled.
02:48As far as the registration of Madrasas is concerned,
02:53As you said in your speech, I have also spoken to some scholars to enlighten myself and to gain knowledge.
03:06I have all the details.
03:08On 29th August 2019, the Minister of Education, Mr. Shafqat Mahmood, and the Wafaaq-e-Madrasas,
03:21after a very tedious exercise,
03:26that exercise has been going on for many years.
03:30After that, an agreement was reached,
03:32under which it was decided in the Education Ministry that the registration of Madrasas will be done.
03:38Its principles were also decided.
03:40And then it started to be registered.
03:42When I am looking at the document, there are the signatures of Mufti Taqi Usmani,
03:46there are the signatures of Mr. Jalandhari, Mr. Allama Sajid Naqvi, and Mr. Mufti Muneeb-ur-Rehman.
03:54Everything has been agreed upon.
03:5618,000 Madrasas have already been registered.
04:00Now, a very basic thing that I understand is that Madrasas are related to knowledge, education,
04:09and if there should be any connectivity with any ministry,
04:14then it becomes the Education Ministry,
04:17and the Education Ministry and the HEC, who endorse its affiliation,
04:21and now the Education Ministry has been devolved in the provinces,
04:24it cannot have any connection with any industry, right?
04:27The registration of Madrasas, if you will,
04:30But, Mr. Musab Nawaz, this is a question for me.
04:33I have spoken to Mr. Shafqat Mahmood off the record,
04:36and he has also confirmed that at that time,
04:38an agreement was reached between the Education Ministry and the Itehad Tanzeem-ul-Madrasas,
04:42and by that time, more than 10,000 Madrasas had been registered,
04:50and now, as you are saying, more than 18,000 have been registered.
04:53But then, why was the promise made?
04:56Maulana Sahib is saying that the Prime Minister was present,
04:59the President was present,
05:01we made the promises, and now the promises are being broken.
05:03And Bilawal Bhutto Zardari Sahib had also made some promises,
05:07and now the promises are being broken.
05:09Why did that happen then?
05:10Because MQM had also made a promise to amend the local body later on.
05:18Look, first of all, let me answer the first point.
05:21Since we are not the witnesses of this conversation,
05:27and the promises that were made,
05:29if these were the promises that were made,
05:31then there is a need to clarify this.
05:35And I am saying this with great respect,
05:39that Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman Sahib's respect,
05:43his dignity, his stature in politics,
05:47and in the politics of Pakistan,
05:49he should be given respect,
05:51he should be honoured,
05:54and I understand that he is a very humble politician.
05:56He will not take the situation to a place where, God forbid, there is a conflict or a conflict.
06:02The leaders that he is talking about,
06:04Prime Minister Bilawal Bhutto Zardari Sahib and the President,
06:07if they have made a mistake at that time,
06:11if they have overlooked the situation or the technicalities,
06:19then there is a need to correct it.
06:21So will MQM play its role to bridge the gap that has come between Maulana Sahib and the government?
06:30Look, MQM does not have a mandate for this.
06:33Only that party can do it,
06:35which has a mandate from the government,
06:37that if Maulana Sahib talks to us,
06:39we have a very good relationship with Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman Sahib,
06:43with a lot of respect,
06:45and he is a big man,
06:48and we see him with the same respect,
06:50and this respect will always be there.
06:53MQM does not have this mandate from the government,
06:57that on their behalf,
07:00I ask this question because I have met Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman Sahib and Bilawal Bhutto Zardari Sahib,
07:11and today I saw them standing by your side,
07:13and I thought that maybe there is something going on,
07:15that we should talk to Maulana Sahib,
07:17something like this?
07:20No, look, talking to Maulana Sahib is not a problem,
07:23we have a very good personal relationship,
07:26we have a very good personal relationship,
07:28he has always respected us,
07:30he has always treated us with respect,
07:32all his friends, his followers,
07:34people from Sindh, people from Wafaaq,
07:36MQM as a whole has a very good relationship with Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman Sahib,
07:40what I am saying to you,
07:42MQM does not have this mandate from the government,
07:45when you talk to someone,
07:47you should have some authority to make them agree to something,
07:51MQM has this authority,
07:53if Maulana Sahib says something,
07:55he has no authority from the government,
07:57to make a commitment on his behalf,
07:59as far as the meeting is concerned,
08:01we can meet,
08:03we will meet and talk,
08:05but I think that
08:07very amicably,
08:09the country has come out of a lot of crisis,
08:11you are seeing all these things,
08:13so this should not be taken to such a level,
08:17that we go to the point of no return,
08:19if we talk about a demonstration,
08:21if we talk about a lockdown,
08:23if we talk about a rally,
08:25if we talk about an uprising,
08:27because both opinions are present,
08:29and there are opinions from the scholars as well,
08:33I think that both,
08:35the scholars of all kinds of mindsets,
08:37should sit together,
08:39and the government should sit down,
08:41and find a solution,
08:43if the government has made a mistake,
08:45if they have overlooked something,
08:47then they should accept it and resolve it.