Video Information: 12.02.23, Interview with Aarti Tikko from The New Indian, Greater Noida
Context:
~ Why are our consumptions destructive?
~ What are the facts about destructive consumption?
~ What are causing global warming & climate change?
~ How are food affective to global warming & climate change?
~ How is consuming meat and dairy one of the biggest causes of climate change?
Music Credits: Milind Date
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#acharyaprashant #dairyindustry #climatechange
Context:
~ Why are our consumptions destructive?
~ What are the facts about destructive consumption?
~ What are causing global warming & climate change?
~ How are food affective to global warming & climate change?
~ How is consuming meat and dairy one of the biggest causes of climate change?
Music Credits: Milind Date
~~~~~
#acharyaprashant #dairyindustry #climatechange
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00:00Okay, now great, fantastic. Now we are into the third round of our conversation and this
00:08is going to be rapid, conscious choice. I'm not going to call it unconscious because then
00:14you might actually say that it was unconscious and therefore you will not take any responsibility.
00:21So I'm going to give you two choices. You will have to pick one and you'll have to very
00:27briefly explain maybe in one sentence or maximum two sentences why you chose what you chose.
00:37So choice number one, or question number one, man or woman?
00:45Woman.
00:47Why?
00:48Possibility.
00:51You will have to explain this.
00:53If you can be so, if you can be so brief, I'll be entitled to be equally curt.
01:03No, you explain it. I want the explanation. You said possibility.
01:08You see, when you say man and woman, man and woman, classically both are just Prakriti.
01:17So both come under the umbrella name of woman, which is the human state, which is the human state.
01:25In some sense, all of us are women. You are a woman in just the biological sense.
01:32I too am a woman in the mental sense. Right?
01:35So the word woman describes entire mankind. You could say womankind.
01:42Okay, womankind.
01:43So the possibility of redemption is there only to the woman.
01:48Who else will have that possibility?
01:51So a woman, you know, is used as a metaphor for the one who is seeking her beloved.
02:01So that's the mind, the mind seeking peace.
02:06So I would want to remember that we all are that unfulfilled consciousness,
02:14which is that we all are that woman who is seeking the ultimate beloved.
02:21In that sense, possibility.
02:24Desire or renunciation?
02:27Desire.
02:28Explain.
02:29The fundamental thing is love. Love is the highest desire.
02:33It is only when you desire the highest that you will have the guts or the daring
02:43to drop the lowly things, which you call as renunciation.
02:47So renunciation can never come first.
02:50Krishna in the Srimad Bhagavad Gita talks of Karma Yoga and Karma Sannyas.
02:57And he says they are ideally the same thing.
03:00But practically, Karma Yoga is preferable to Karma Sannyas, which is much the same as
03:08saying that love takes precedence over renunciation or that love is the mother of renunciation.
03:16If you are in love, you will, without even knowing, drop a lot of nonsense and you will
03:24become a renunciate and you won't even know that.
03:26So love will bring about renunciation.
03:29At the same time, renunciation without love won't last and would become some kind of hypocrisy.
03:37Osho or J. Krishnamurthy?
03:39J. Krishnamurthy.
03:40Explain.
03:41Purity.
03:42You will have to explain that.
03:44Oh.
03:48You see, the higher you go, the purer you need to be.
03:58Methods and tactics are all great when you have just begun the climb.
04:11But the same thing that assists you to climb at the lower altitudes becomes a burden against
04:24climbing when you have reached the heights at higher altitudes.
04:31So Krishnamurthy has an unparalleled purity.
04:38No methods, no distractions, no this and that, a very dedicated concentration on nothing
04:58but the truth and that's the reason I said JK over Osho.
05:05At the same time, I have great respect for Osho and I think he can be very useful to
05:15those who are just beginning their journey.
05:19But as you ascend, it is Krishnamurthy that you will need to seek.
05:27Krishna or Shiva?
05:30It is much the same.
05:32No choices there but because these days, you know, it's a topical thing because these days
05:39I am with the Bhagavad Gita, so I'll say Krishna.
05:41On another day, I would have equally said Shiva.
05:45So explain to us that why are they the same thing and why Shiva today and Shiva tomorrow?
05:57Krishna today and Shiva tomorrow?
05:58Yeah, that's a mood, a fleeting moment.
06:02I mean just yesterday I conducted a session on the Bhagavad Gita and tomorrow I think
06:07there is another one.
06:09So it's just a human thing that Krishna is on the top of the mind.
06:13Otherwise, there is no difference between Krishna and Shiva.
06:17There have been phases when I have found myself immensely in love with just the word Shiva.
06:28In fact, just half an hour before you came, we had the head of the books department with
06:37us and because Mahashivratri is approaching, she drew my attention to one of our old books
06:43Om Namah Shivaya and I said rename it Shivoham.
06:48That becomes important because Mahashivratri happens to be my birthday.
06:52So in a very carnal way, I have a bit of a connection with Shiva, which is nothing but
06:59a very carnal connection, does not mean much.
07:03Krishna and Shiva are one.
07:05You see Krishna, as he speaks in the Gita, speaks as pure truth and Shiva is another
07:16name again for the highest consciousness possible.
07:20So Krishna and Shiva are just the same.
07:24Someday you will feel like saying Krishna, someday Shiva and there are days when I just
07:29love to say Ram.
07:30Lakshmi or Saraswati?
07:32Saraswati, obviously.
07:33I don't even need to explain, I suppose.
07:35So they are not one?
07:36No, they are not one.
07:37Why?
07:41Learning and wealth cannot be one, obviously, but at the same time, if you want to go deeper
07:48into it, if you pick up the Durga Saptshati, there both Lakshmi and Saraswati are simply
07:58two names for the mother goddess.
08:01If you want to go there, then I'll say just as I can't pick between Krishna and Shiva,
08:08I cannot pick between Lakshmi and Saraswati.
08:10But if you want to take, if you want to accord the popular meanings to their names, right,
08:18then Lakshmi stands for wealth and all, Saraswati stands for wisdom.
08:23Wisdom any day over wealth.
08:27Eastern philosophy or Western philosophy?
08:29Eastern.
08:30Why?
08:31I.
08:33Explain.
08:33Western philosophy
08:39pays relatively,
08:44puts relatively lesser emphasis on who you are.
08:50There is a lot of ideation, there is a
08:56lot of very honest and laborious exploration of man's condition, society, economics,
09:06but the purity and rigor that Vedanta displays in coming to man's fundamental identity
09:20and then declaring that liberation from all the identities that you hold
09:28is the very purpose of life.
09:29That is something that you do not find in Western philosophy.
09:34In fact, nowhere in Western philosophy do you find the word Mukti, liberation.
09:39There is knowledge, there is exploration, there is realization,
09:43and I'm fond of Western philosophy, right?
09:45I'm not deprecating one over the other.
09:48No, no, no.
09:50I love Western philosophy.
09:52I want to go deeper into it.
09:56But liberation is something the West does not talk of.
10:02India or world?
10:05How can you have India without the world?
10:10So that becomes just too hypothetical.
10:14But again, as someone sitting in India, right?
10:19I would simply say India, but when I say India again, my India is not a political unit,
10:27not a geographical location, not a piece of land.
10:31When I say India, I refer to the place, to the set of conditions
10:40that enabled man for the first time to both look towards the sky and into himself.
10:50So that's the India that I love, the India of self-knowledge.
10:57Life or death?
10:59Death.
11:01Explain.
11:02That which we call as life must be put to death.
11:07And only then does real life begin.
11:10So there's a life after death?
11:12No, not after death.
11:14When you say after, you mean a flow of time.
11:17So at 4 p.m. life, as we know, it ended, and at 5 p.m. you had an afterlife.
11:23I'm not talking of that.
11:25I'm talking of a cycle of life.
11:28You had an afterlife.
11:29I'm not talking of that.
11:31I'm talking of a certain beyondness.
11:33I'm saying that this eating, talking, walking, meeting, this is what we consider as life, right?
11:42When we are able to transcend this definition of life, then we really come alive.
11:50So let this life be put to death, and then there is joy, and the fear of death is gone.
12:00And the Upanishads say that is what is immortality, when the fear of death is gone.
12:05This that we call as life, it is always in the shadow of death.
12:09We are always afraid of things coming to an end in some way or the other.
12:12So this life is no good because in this life there is always the fear of death.
12:17This has to be exceeded.
12:19This has to be transcended.
12:20That's why I said death.
12:21I said death so that we may come alive.
12:24Now the last segment.
12:26I am going to ask you about your first and the last love, which is books.
12:32Give us five books that you have loved all your life.
12:35Depends on the audience segment.
12:37Suggest me an audience segment.
12:39Well, on love, on enlightenment.
12:44Okay, one book each on these?
12:46Yes.
12:51On enlightenment for beginners, SiddhÄt by Hermann Hesse.
12:57Love.
13:03NÄrada Bhakti SÅ«tra.
13:07On science.
13:10Several.
13:10You could have a Feynman lecture on physics.
13:15You could have the Hawkins book on time.
13:23Several books, but I would say stick to your textbooks.
13:28That's where you get science from.
13:30Science you just cannot read.
13:31Science without mathematics means nothing.
13:34So when we say science, there has to be an exercise book, a notebook by your side,
13:39where you keep solving equations.
13:42Science is not just literature.
13:45Name a book on women.
13:51Ayn Rand's We the Living.
13:54Name a book on sex.
13:59Specifically on sex.
14:06There are so many books that touch upon sex.
14:18Yes.
14:20Of human bondage.
14:22Somerset Maugham.
14:25Name a book on Indian literature.
14:31That encapsulates Indian literature.
14:37Or maybe an Indian fiction.
14:41Indian fiction.
14:51Thank you so much for this fascinating enlightening discussion.
14:56I hope we can carry on once again.
15:00Probably in future for another conversation and for more love.
15:03Wonderful.