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00:00Good evening, I'm Shinpei Nogami.
00:14How are you spending your Monday night?
00:17It's time for Hamasuka Live TV until the morning.
00:21Tonight, we have two guests from the music world.
00:24They will be discussing the two most controversial songs in music.
00:31Here are the panelists for today's discussion.
00:38Hamasuka Broadcasting Corporation's MC, Hama Okamoto.
00:44Hamasuka Broadcasting Corporation's MC, Saito Asuka.
00:49Music debate rapper, Ryofu Karma.
00:56A cult entertainer who loves rock.
01:00Nagano.
01:02He's strong.
01:04Thank you all for coming.
01:09Hamasuka Broadcasting Corporation's MC, Saito Asuka.
01:12Tonight, we have two guests from the music world.
01:16They will be discussing the two most controversial songs in music.
01:23After each discussion, the 13 young people involved in music will be judged.
01:30I don't know.
01:32This is for the unpopular ones.
01:35Right?
01:36I don't like it.
01:38That's harsh.
01:40That's harsh.
01:42That's a tough one.
01:45You should go home early.
01:47I'm cold.
01:55Here is the first theme.
01:58When you go to a concert, both the artist and the audience get excited.
02:06That's right. Encore.
02:10One thing that makes you sad is that the concert is over.
02:13It's the moment when you can extend your dream time.
02:18However, there are a lot of questions about the encore.
02:25So...
02:30Live Encore.
02:32A. Yes. B. No.
02:35Which one do you choose?
02:37I'm confident.
02:39Me too.
02:40Let's see who will be discussing first.
02:43Let's open it.
02:47This is it.
02:49What?
02:51What?
02:533 to 1.
02:55What is this?
02:57I can win.
02:59Nagano, do you have confidence?
03:01Some people say it's embarrassing.
03:05But I don't know what to say.
03:08It's a ritual.
03:11How can I say?
03:13There is a story about a boy who is happy to say that he is naked.
03:20Adults know that.
03:22He is naked.
03:24The boy is pure in that story.
03:28But I know that it's a ritual.
03:33I don't have to be naked forever.
03:36Don't say such a ridiculous thing.
03:39I think it's a time for fans and artists to exchange love with each other.
03:56It may be a different way of thinking.
03:59Maybe Z-Generation...
04:02It's 4 weeks.
04:05I don't want to wake up now.
04:10If Nagano wants an encore,
04:14Hama and Asuka will answer the question.
04:18Hama, what do you think?
04:21I want to be like this.
04:25I want to be satisfied with what I've shown so far.
04:32I want to do a show that makes people think it's over.
04:42I've actually seen it.
04:46No one wants it.
04:49I've experienced the applause of completion.
04:56I want to be satisfied with what I've shown so far.
05:03I want to be satisfied with what I've shown so far.
05:09I want to be satisfied with what I've shown so far.
05:16Why don't you do that song?
05:19It's cold.
05:22I've seen a miserable encore.
05:26Encore! Encore!
05:29The audience doesn't understand.
05:32If it's a festival, there's a lot of time.
05:35I don't have time to say encore.
05:37The next artist will come out soon.
05:39There's a guy who's doing an encore.
05:42Can you do it?
05:44I don't think it's coming out.
05:46I'm looking at the scene where it's gradually disappearing.
05:49If it's a one-man show, it's okay.
05:51I can't share the distinction.
05:55The encore itself hasn't been completed.
06:00This is it.
06:02If I shake, it's over.
06:06If you say that...
06:09It was a response to Nagano's opinion.
06:14Asuka, what do you think?
06:17As a fan, I'd be happy if I could listen to the encore for a long time.
06:27I think it's better to go home early.
06:31It's cold.
06:34You're in a bad mood.
06:37I'm not in a bad mood.
06:40I think everyone is working hard from afar.
06:47I think both the artist and the fan should go home early.
06:53Is there an encore at a comedy live?
06:56As a music fan, I think so.
07:01As a comedian, we think the same way.
07:05I want to go home as soon as it's over.
07:10I'm the same as Saito.
07:13I want to go home with a smile on my face.
07:20I want to be friends with this and that duo.
07:23I think it's really vulgar.
07:26That's true.
07:28I think it's vulgar.
07:32Go home early.
07:34Can I say this?
07:36Of course.
07:38It's a different story.
07:41I'm sorry.
07:43I said that there is a tradition in music.
07:46I realized that I don't like the encore.
07:52It's vulgar.
07:54It's a waste of time.
07:57It's time for the bell to ring.
08:00I feel like I've been cast a spell.
08:03To be honest.
08:05I feel like I've been cast a spell.
08:11I feel like I've been cast a spell.
08:14I feel like everything is right.
08:16All four of you said B.
08:21I don't need it anymore.
08:23Please raise your cards.
08:31It's a close game.
08:35I don't need it anymore is the Hamaska answer.
08:40I wanted to hear the fans' opinion.
08:47But I wanted to hear the audience's opinion.
08:53I feel a sense of responsibility.
08:58Everyone looks sad.
09:01I don't think this is a good idea.
09:05There are many songs on the street.
09:08If we divide the songs into two parts,
09:12we may be able to divide the songs into two parts.
09:16It is...
09:18Vocal music or Western music.
09:23Vocal music is a Japanese language that is familiar to the ears.
09:26You can understand the meaning directly.
09:31You can express it in more detail because there are many words.
09:36On the other hand, Western music is easy to express straight because there are few words.
09:44In addition, you can connect with music fans all over the world by crossing the language barrier.
09:49That's it.
09:54If you can only hear one answer,
09:57A. Vocal music.
09:59B. Western music.
10:01What is your answer?
10:03Did you notice?
10:05It's like a death game.
10:08It's not just about fighting.
10:10It's impossible.
10:11We didn't have to fight.
10:13We should have joined hands.
10:16But we were gathered by rich people.
10:19We were fighting.
10:21We were seen from above.
10:23I want to hear both answers.
10:26Let's discuss in which position.
10:31Let's open at the same time.
10:35Vocal music or Western music.
10:39A. Vocal music.
10:41Ryofu, Asuka.
10:43B. Western music.
10:45Nagano, Hama.
10:47It's 2 to 2.
10:50It's the same.
10:53If it's a mother tongue,
10:55Of course, it conveys the meaning.
10:58That's how you can save your feelings.
11:01When I think about myself when I fell in love with music,
11:07I was Western music.
11:10The first song I played when I started playing the instrument.
11:13Even if I don't understand the meaning,
11:15There are things I've been listening to for a long time.
11:17I want to know the meaning, so I look it up.
11:20I think that's one of the advantages of listening to Western music in this country.
11:25In the end, I think Western music is enough.
11:30Can you refute what I just said?
11:34It was 100 points.
11:36Really?
11:37That's right.
11:39I think it's different for each person.
11:42I want you to comfort me.
11:44I want to cheer up.
11:46I want to fly to reality.
11:49It's easy to understand in Japanese.
11:53It's like a story or a song.
11:57It's like a book or a radio.
12:02Western music is...
12:04I don't know what I'm saying, but I don't know.
12:06That's why my imagination is expanding.
12:09I've had the experience of being able to fly with that.
12:13I've never heard Bono's voice in my life.
12:18I feel like I'm going to cry.
12:20I don't like that.
12:21I don't like that.
12:22If you go with the elimination method, you'll get Western music.
12:27There are Japanese singers who sing in English.
12:32I don't know if it's Western music or Western music.
12:35I thought it was Western music, but it's Japanese.
12:38There are artists like that.
12:40However, Western artists will probably never sing in Japanese again.
12:45In that sense, I think it's possible to get Western music in the future.
12:54However, it is difficult to get Western music in the future.
12:59I think it's Western music.
13:03Asuka, what is your position in Western music?
13:07I don't understand English.
13:10You'll get there eventually.
13:12You're wrong, Asuka.
13:18I really want to help you.
13:20I feel like I can get bigger.
13:23I feel like I can get bigger.
13:25It's not like that.
13:26It's good that you don't understand English.
13:29You said that earlier.
13:32In the future, Japanese people will use a lot of native pronunciations.
13:37They will sing songs in English that they don't understand.
13:41The Western music that Nagano and I are talking about is a little different.
13:49It's a really big deal.
13:52It's a big deal whether you understand it or not.
13:55I understand it, but...
13:58Of course, when I want to be moved by listening to Japanese songs.
14:09I don't really understand English, so I listen to Western music.
14:13I like both listening and listening.
14:19I don't know.
14:22You said you had a good point that you didn't understand.
14:26I can understand that, too.
14:29I thought it was the opposite.
14:31A foreigner who doesn't understand Japanese asked me the same question.
14:35I don't know the lyrics of Japanese songs, but I like them, so I listen to Japanese songs.
14:41I think it's better to listen to Japanese songs.
14:44I don't know the lyrics of Japanese songs, but I like them.
14:48I don't think so.
14:51Of course, I can understand and listen to Western music, but...
14:56I don't think that's the original way to enjoy it.
15:00I'm a little sad.
15:04Western music is so low.
15:09I'm being forced to fight.
15:14It's a sad fight.
15:17It's a sad fight.
15:20We're crying.
15:23We don't want to fight, but we're crying and hitting each other.
15:29Let's judge.
15:31Please raise your card.
15:35Oh, surprisingly.
15:37I see.
15:40I don't know what Western music is saying at first.
15:43I listen to it and enjoy it.
15:45After a while, when I listened to it again, I looked up the lyrics.
15:49Oh, that's what they're saying.
15:51I think it's better to enjoy it twice.
15:55I'm sad even if I win.
15:57I'm not happy.
15:59I feel like I won.
16:02I feel like I won and I'm being forced to do this.
16:07Professional
16:14Each person is aiming to be a professional.
16:20Are you a professional who pursues professionalism with a single spear?
16:29On the other hand, it is possible to be active in other areas because of the multi-talented person.
16:38Multi-talented people have a lot of opportunities to make use of their specialty.
16:45The more professional you are, the more offers you get.
16:53I want you to decide tonight.
16:58Which one should I aim for?
17:00A. A professional B. Active in multi-talented
17:06Which one is your answer?
17:08This is too difficult.
17:10This is difficult.
17:12Let's open it all at once.
17:18Oh, interesting.
17:20There are three people who will challenge the music debate.
17:24Let's start with Ryofu.
17:26I'm a rapper.
17:29It's boring to be a rapper all my life.
17:33My real experience comes out in lyrics and expressions.
17:40In that sense, I started to work with various professionals rather than just making music, performing, and recording every day.
17:53I've gained a lot of experience, and I've noticed that I'm not aware of my talent.
18:02I've had a lot of experience of being feedbacked by professionals.
18:07In that sense, I think I should be able to do a lot of things.
18:13I think that has a good effect on my profession.
18:16I don't have to cling to my profession.
18:20I just want to be myself.
18:23I just want to look cool as much as I want to look cool.
18:28I don't care what I look like.
18:30I'm here.
18:32That's what Ryofu says.
18:36But I don't want to be looked down upon when I'm performing.
18:41I just want to be myself.
18:47When it comes to myself, I want to do only what I like.
18:55When I first appeared on TV about eight years ago, I did things I didn't want to do.
19:03It wasn't just feedback, it was just stress.
19:10To be honest, when I went to the countryside for the first time, I didn't want to eat it.
19:17I didn't think it was delicious.
19:22It's delicious.
19:24It's delicious.
19:26I was told by an old man that I was hungry.
19:30I was told that I could earn more money than him.
19:33I didn't want to walk in the countryside.
19:37You walked in the countryside.
19:39I was told to do only comedy.
19:41Comedians and musicians are different.
19:44Comedians are encouraged to be talented.
19:51Musicians are not allowed to do that.
19:54They are still looked down upon.
20:00I'm the type of person who gets tired before I get on stage.
20:07If I do it for 10 years, I'll get tired.
20:12I feel that there is very little stimulation from that.
20:21I said what I wanted to say, so I'll put it back.
20:25I don't think people who are watching will understand what I mean.
20:29It's okay.
20:31You're on TV.
20:33I agree with what Ryo-san said.
20:37I think it's cool.
20:40However, if you have the final goal of involving everyone,
20:51you have no choice but to challenge the current situation in Japan.
20:54Asuka-san.
20:55Yes.
20:56The current situation is 3 to 1.
20:58Asuka-san is now in the position of 1.
21:02If you get results in your main job like Hama-san,
21:07I think it's the right thing to do.
21:13However, I don't think it's a good idea to involve everyone in your main job.
21:23That's a very harsh word.
21:27It's a very harsh word.
21:32It's a very harsh word.
21:34It's a very harsh word.
21:36I'm saying it to live.
21:38I agree with you.
21:39However, I think it's the right thing to do.
21:44I agree with you.
21:45It's a very harsh word.
21:47It's a very harsh word.
21:49It's a very harsh word.
21:50Asuka-san is now in the position of B.
21:53That's right.
21:54I didn't know she said that.
21:55I didn't know she said that.
21:58I'm sure there are people who are in trouble.
22:01Me?
22:02I'm sure there are people who are in trouble.
22:05Let's have the judges.
22:07Please show your board.
22:12It's split.
22:13It's split.
22:14It's split.
22:19Please show your board.
22:21Please show your board.
22:24It's split.
22:25It's split.
22:26It's split.
22:27It's split.
22:28There are a lot of people who decide to do what they want to do.
22:40I also want to be like them.
22:44The judges gave answers to all the questions.
22:49If we talk about each topic for about two hours,
22:53we can see the difference.
22:55That's right.
22:56The last question is...
22:58It's something you can learn from experience.
23:05You can't know what you want to experience.
23:07That's right.
23:08You can't know what you want to experience.
23:09If you can't sell your story, you can't know what you want to experience.
23:13You can't know what you want to experience.
23:15That's a good ending.
23:17You can't know what you want to experience.
23:19I think so.
23:20Zero points.
23:21What?
23:22All right!

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