Did Mayo do "more damage" yesterday walking back on the AVP comments? Did he want Van Pelt to take the heat?
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00:00It appears to be that he did himself some damage yesterday on a walk it back Monday, Curtis.
00:06I mean, I don't know. He went into that game.
00:10He was pissed after the game. He got defensive about the question and he said,
00:15good question, whatever the exact quote was, because he wanted Alex Van Pelt
00:19to take heat for the fact that they didn't take a QB sneak. Fact. That's what happened.
00:24Why did he want Van Pelt to take heat?
00:26Because he doesn't want it on his back.
00:27I think shine shine. Was it your point yesterday? Yeah, it was my lead.
00:31Yeah, I think shimes lead is more accurate because.
00:36All right. What's the purpose of throwing Van Pelt under the bus?
00:40And the reason why shimes was spot on is because the Friday someone else started it.
00:46Yes. Get out of here. Oh, yeah.
00:49Oh, yes, Curtis. That's how that's how they act.
00:51Right. I mean, it's not supposed to be above the phrase.
00:55Yes. And we've learned time and time again this season. It doesn't seem like they are.
00:59Didn't we always criticize Bill and Tom for being petty?
01:02Yeah. Like, didn't we?
01:03Yeah. Wait, wait, wait, wait. When did Bill or Tom call out a teammate or a player
01:08on on their roster at the time?
01:10No, no, I'm talking about like after the fact, like they were taking petty shots at each other.
01:13Well, right. But when they were no longer working together,
01:15but when they were on the same team, this never happened.
01:17But Bill's always been petty. Right.
01:19Like that just because you're a head coach doesn't mean that you're above being petty.
01:23We see so many that are.
01:24Yeah. Right. But do we think it's a good quality?
01:26No, no, no. But we're not we're not saying whether or not it's a good quality.
01:29You're using it to absolve him from blame.
01:31You are making it sound like it's impossible for a head coach to be petty.
01:36You're bringing it up because you're defending Mayo,
01:37saying he was just reacting to what his coach did.
01:40We're not using it as a defense.
01:41No, no, no.
01:42Wiggy is.
01:42Wiggy is. No, I'm not.
01:43Yeah, you are. Because Mayo has done he's done this before this season.
01:46But you're missing the point.
01:47No, we're just explaining why he did it.
01:49He points the finger at everybody else.
01:52But nobody's.
01:53Why did he walk it back?
01:56Talking to you two are like two people who just crawled out from underneath.
01:59Why? Because we disagree.
02:00No, no, no. Because you make it sound like you don't understand what we're saying.
02:04We're just saying that it is possible for head coach to be petty and for people to be petty and
02:14be shady when they hear something that was they felt like was shady against them.
02:18That's all we're saying.
02:20I disagree.
02:21I think that he is feeling heat as anybody would and is in the moment is unfortunately
02:30trying to point the blame at everybody else.
02:33And he did it on this show with Elliott Wolf when Curtis asked him about the roster.
02:37He did it.
02:40About the defense.
02:40Early in the season, he did it about special teams.
02:43When it came to a huge punt return, he did it about players that he can't.
02:48Once they're on the field, he has nothing to do with how they play and what the result is.
02:52I asked why the defense got worse and he listed their injuries.
02:55Can I can I then propose a conspiracy theory for you, Greg?
02:58Sure, of course.
02:59Maybe if you're right, if this is him trying to deflect heat,
03:03maybe the Jonathan Kraft getting caught saying the play calling sucks or is terrible,
03:09whatever the word is, I'm paraphrasing, wasn't necessarily by accident.
03:14And that the because the Kraft want to keep Mayo in charge
03:17and they want to give him the best opportunity they can.
03:19Maybe everybody's trying to deflect heat off of Mayo.
03:22That's what I said yesterday.
03:23So you think it's just a conspiracy theory.
03:27Listen, I love a good conspiracy theory.
03:30So somebody's got to take the fall.
03:31The crafts were waiting until they were told they were going to be on television.
03:36And then they said, all right, now go ahead and let it fly and see.
03:40Well, Courtney did mention on Monday how the crafts have relationships with CBS and how,
03:47you know, it's just, you know,
03:49it doesn't seem like that would normally be something that they would get caught
03:52seen on television.
03:53I think it's been clear cut that AVP is probably out of town
03:57and they're using him as the downfall guy.
03:59It's not.
04:00I don't think Gerard Mayo is going anywhere.
04:01I think AVP is going to lose his job over all of this.
04:04And I think the writing's been on the wall.
04:06And I don't think that Gerard Mayo is sitting down with us every Monday.
04:09He doesn't seem like a guy who's worried about his job.
04:12And I don't think that Gerard Mayo is an actor.
04:14I don't think that he's a great guy.
04:16I don't think that he can control his emotions when he's with us.
04:19If he was that scared about his job, I think he'd be very mum.
04:22I don't think he'd be saying anything at all.
04:24I think he seems like a guy who's very, very comfortable in his position right now.
04:29Gerard Mayo's comfortable?
04:30I think he seems very comfortable.
04:32I get the total opposite.
04:33With the job security?
04:34I think you say these things when you feel heat.
04:38Oh my god.
04:38Him off air?
04:39I don't think that he seems worried at all.
04:41I also look at it like we've been criticizing Van Pelt and the offense all season long.
04:47And what has Gerard always done?
04:49Came to his defense.
04:51Never once has he ever, ever thrown Alex Van Pelt under the bus.
04:56He always comes to Alex Van Pelt's defense.
04:59Talks about how Drake May is playing the way he's playing because of AVP.
05:03He's always been the guy who has supported Van Pelt.
05:09But all of a sudden-
05:10Can we play what Van Pelt said just so we can remind the audience?
05:13Because this is key.
05:14Because I hadn't heard it until yesterday.
05:16And I just think it's best once Shine finds it, we can use it.
05:19But go ahead, sir.
05:20But he hadn't said anything.
05:22And then when Shine brought it up, and I didn't hear it all the way.
05:25But then once I listened to the audio from Van Pelt answering Rich Keefe's question,
05:31I might have been Rich Keefe.
05:32Jones' question.
05:33Oh, Jones' question.
05:34I'm sorry.
05:35I was like, oh, wow.
05:38That is very-
05:39And Shine brought it up.
05:40And I'm like, Shine, I take like-
05:42Because remember, Gerard says they hear everything.
05:44They hear everything.
05:45And that does seem like a little petty.
05:48It sounds like from the way you're answering it, you already gave us the answer.
05:51But that's purely you?
05:53Or is that something where Gerard says, hey, let's run the ball here.
05:56Let's run some clock here.
05:57Let's be aggressive there.
05:59Is that purely your call?
06:01Well, my call, I do what the head coach asks to do, obviously.
06:04And then in that situation, I know we wanted to run the football, especially after the
06:08interception.
06:09We wanted to run the ball.
06:10Yeah, but I'm definitely- I work for coach.
06:14And if coach says to run the ball, I run the ball.
06:15If he says be aggressive, I'm aggressive.
06:17So I get to call the plays.
06:18But again, Coach Mayo makes some of those decisions.
06:22I don't think that's throwing Mayo under the bus at all.
06:24No, I don't think it is at all.
06:25It's what Mayo says.
06:26He says at the end, it's always on me.
06:28So we've criticized this offense for not being aggressive.
06:32Chimes on it every week.
06:34And you got the offensive coordinator going, well, we're aggressive when the head coach
06:39tells me to be aggressive.
06:40Because they're saying, well, it doesn't seem like you're that aggressive.
06:42Well, if the head coach tells me to run the ball, I run the ball.
06:45It's not like you're the- it doesn't come across as you're the head coach of the offense.
06:51Yeah, I mean, I just feel like you're once again doing acrobatics to try to defend Gerard
06:56Mayo.
06:56I'm not doing that.
06:57I'm not trying to defend Mayo in any way.
07:00I'm not trying to defend Mayo in any way.
07:02I'm just saying-
07:02You're saying someone else started it and Mayo finished it.
07:05So I'm saying there was something that was said on a Friday.
07:07That was on a Friday, I believe, correct?
07:09Correct.
07:10And then Mayo makes a comment on a Sunday after the game.
07:15And the guy who said something on Friday is the offensive coordinator.
07:18And then on Sunday, Mayo says something about the offensive coordinator after the game.
07:24So I'm just saying one plus one in my world, when I look at it, equals two.
07:29And if that's all true, and you might be right,
07:31then if I'm Robert Kraft, that's a bigger reason to get rid of Mayo.
07:33And I'm not saying it's not.
07:34I'm just saying Scheim brought this on.
07:36Scheim- this was Scheim's lead yesterday.
07:38I'm like, wow, that is really interesting.
07:41This is Nate.
07:42Hello, Nate.
07:44Hey, good morning, guys.
07:46What's up?
07:47Wiggy, you actually sound like Mayo deflecting.
07:49You know what I mean?
07:49It's kind of sad in a way.
07:53Listen, Mayo's in over- way in over his head.
07:57You can tell him it's like one minute he's here, one minute there.
08:00He doesn't know how to sit there and say, hey, look, this is the direction I'm going.
08:04I'm going to stick with it.
08:05I'm going to deflect the media.
08:06The media is not his friend.
08:09Mayo's trying to be friends with everybody.
08:10And that's not how the job he took and the responsibilities that he has
08:15is for those men in that locker room.
08:16And what you do, whatever you do, whatever you have to do to protect those men, okay?
08:20And that's from the media.
08:22That's from outside sources.
08:25You don't do what he's doing, okay?
08:27For one, he's never had a title.
08:29Number two, look at Vrabel, okay?
08:32Vrabel started in Houston.
08:34He went to Ohio State.
08:35Then he went to Tennessee.
08:37Tell me where Mayo started.
08:39He started here and only here.
08:41And he came from the corporate world.
08:43He has no experience whatsoever.
08:45So it should be a one and done because I'm going to tell you something.
08:49If the Crafts keep going the way they're going, okay?
08:52And they haven't been in the playoffs, I mean, one out of five years since Tom's been gone.
08:57I'm going to tell you something.
08:58They're going to start losing a lot of people because the way they're running this organization,
09:03there's no direction whatsoever.
09:05That's why you guys have been saying it for so long now.
09:06It's like, where can we put our foot down and go forward?
09:10There's no direction.
09:12So did you expect, I think there were not many people who expected this team to be much better.
09:19Going into this season.
09:20Did you expect them to be worse?
09:22I took the under.
09:23Did you expect, I did too.
09:25Did you expect them to be worse?
09:28Yeah.
09:28That's why I took the under it.
09:29Greg, I love you.
09:30This is not because the first year head coaches who have never been a coach before almost always
09:35struggle.
09:35Like, I don't think the fact that this team has three wins with bill, maybe they have two or
09:40three more, but if you look at all the other coaches, whether it's bill or whether it's Dan
09:45Campbell, whether it's Brian Flores, whether it's Eric Mangini, all these guys, the first
09:51year is always bumpy.
09:52Not wins.
09:53Like look at the defense alone.
09:56That is supposed to be what the guy is good at.
10:00Right.
10:00But it has first regressed, regressed, regressed.
10:03But Greg bill's first year in 2000, the defense got worse and he's the greatest defensive
10:08coach in the history of football.
10:09And most first year head coaches that inherit a bad team generally struggle in their first
10:14year.
10:15I think the issue, as I've said, it is not about the, on the field, even though that
10:18hasn't been good.
10:19And it's clearly an issue, Greg, I'm not disputing that.
10:22What is going to lose Mayo the job if he loses it is how he's conducted himself.
10:28Because if he just was, you know, consistent and didn't walk back all these things, I mean,
10:35even if he walks back the one soft line, maybe you get a mulligan like that way there in
10:39England, he's jet lagged, he's exhausted, he's mad, whatever.
10:42It's every single week.
10:45That I agree with you, Curtis, like his biggest issue is he doesn't know how to talk to the
10:53media.
10:53That's like his biggest issue.
10:55That was supposed to be a strength.
10:56And that's the thing that he has to, you know, that he really has to learn from, but he continues
11:02to put his foot in his mouth every couple of weeks.
11:05And it's like, you would think he'd be learning in that area.
11:09And that is the biggest issue.
11:11I don't think anybody would have a problem with Mayo if this team was where they are
11:15right now.
11:16If he never put his foot in his mouth, if he never goes, you're going to put your foot
11:20in your mouth.
11:21If you're going to speak more than Bill Belichick did.
11:24It's like, but it's all the time, but here in New England, it was for so long.
11:29People were like, well, you're not winning and you're being a jerk.
11:32And now Gerard Mayo is very nice to all the media answers.
11:36Everybody's questions.
11:38He misspeaks.
11:39And then it's like, we crucify him every week for trying to walk it back after he's out
11:43of the heat of the moment.
11:45I understand it's not perfect, but he's learning while he's going through.
11:48And I completely agree with Greg.
11:50This isn't a job that you're, that you're supposed to learn on the job.
11:53It's you're not a barista.
11:54That's what you said.
11:55But at the same time, Gerard Mayo is not saying anything.
11:58That is like.
12:01Wait, Courtney, it's totally different to say something nicely and then not expand your
12:06thoughts on it and move on as opposed to saying something nicely that you constantly
12:10have to correct.
12:11Yeah.
12:12There's a way it's not the wiggies trying to explain it away as the words.
12:16It's not the words.
12:17It's the actions.
12:20It's a leader throwing somebody under the bus.
12:23That's his first inclination when he should be putting it on, putting the failure on himself
12:29as the leader.
12:31He doesn't do that.
12:32There's a million like everybody ignores the fact that you have these candidates for coordinator
12:40positions coming into interview with this lot.
12:45And the result of the interview is it was light on football.
12:49Like that's the guy who's going to be running your franchise.
12:53Who's interviewing you.
12:54Sounds like the Greg Hill show.
12:57It's light on football.
13:00Yeah.
13:00I don't get that.
13:01What do you mean?
13:01You don't get it.
13:04It's because the, the, the depth of knowledge is not there.
13:08It's, it's, it's, it's the foot in the mouth.
13:12Great.
13:14Listen, when he says, when he says, when he says, I can't, I can't help them when they
13:20cross the white lines.
13:21Like we, as former players know exactly what he means, but as people who've never played
13:26the game, you can't say it that way.
13:28When he, when he says, when he says, hold on, when he says this team is soft, we know
13:34his play is exactly what he's saying, but people who listen to him don't understand
13:38it.
13:39So he needs to put his words together in a way where we played soft.
13:44We coach soft.
13:45We gotta be better.
13:47We prepare them.
13:48Once they step on the field, we don't have control when it comes to them executing, executing,
13:55we can put them in the best position.
13:57There's way, Hey, listen, this is the call that Alex Van Pelt made.
14:02We believe in Alex Van Pelt.
14:04If God forbid, you were going to go to another radio show and you did an interview with a
14:09person and the discussion during the interview was light on radio, would you be concerned
14:15about the job?
14:16The person you were going to go work for if that, if radio didn't come up while you're
14:20interviewing for a radio show, I would be concerned about that.
14:23Okay.
14:23But I'm just talking about where males gone wrong.
14:27Like where he's gone wrong is that he's not talking football with people who are interviewing
14:32for a coordinator position.
14:33But then shall we be, I don't put that on Mayo though.
14:36I put that on the Rob, the glazer.
14:38Okay.
14:38So they were like, they were the ones who are light on football.
14:41Yes.
14:41Robin and Elliot, not, not true.
14:43I didn't have this been more on the crafts for hiring.
14:45I don't know.
14:46Better football people around a guy who's literally never done the job before.
14:49I agree.
14:50Greg, he has no experience whatsoever.
14:52And it's a terrible idea for a guy in that position to learn on the job, but that's what
14:57they chose.
14:57And they didn't support him in any way.
14:59Instead, they brought in a bunch of other people who are rookies at their job position
15:03now.
15:04So you're going to wait another year to find out if he is the guy while Drake may is sitting
15:11there.
15:11But that's why the conversation about what he has said away from the field, it will be
15:16his undoing.
15:18If this was just a normal year where he, you know, takes his lumps and doesn't have to
15:24walk back.
15:24Everything he says he gets another year.
15:27It's the fact that he has compounded the problem by not being the front-facing guy that people
15:32can get behind.
15:32I would call Mike Rabel up and give him whatever he wants.
15:35I'd give him like, you know, one of the houses on the Cape.
15:38If I had to, if I were them, I would give him whatever, whatever he wants.
15:44Blame Robert for putting people in position to run the meetings and not talk about football.
15:51So you put Robin Glazer in a position to interview candidates when it comes to football.
15:58So in your mind, it's everybody but Mayo.
16:00Well, he's the one getting interviewed.
16:03What's that?
16:04If he's the one who's who, if he's the one, it was the three of them doing the interviews.
16:09Okay, but I don't buy males not talking football.
16:12There's no, there's no way.
16:13You never buy any report.
16:14You're like Curtis.
16:15If it doesn't back you up.
16:16No, I just don't buy that.
16:18So I don't, the three of them are doing interviews.
16:20Who was on, who was on, who was on the football part?
16:23I'm willing to bet you.
16:24I'm willing to bet you.
16:24Mayo's probably the only one on the football pot.
16:26The other, the other two, the other two talking about who the hell knows.
16:29It seems like global warming.
16:31Clearly if they're not talking football, I mean, it's what, you know, maybe, Hey,
16:36we got a great, um, we got great food services.
16:41We have, we have a new football headquarters.
16:43God, I traveled.