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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum viewers, you are watching the program with Kashif Abbasi.
00:03Today we will talk about the politics of Tariq-e-Insaab.
00:05We have with us Muhammad Malik, Fawad Chaudhary, who has just met Imran Khan.
00:10So let's ask them what happened in the meeting.
00:12But where is the politics of Tariq-e-Insaab?
00:15If we say that we are stuck in a lane,
00:18we may not be able to find a way out.
00:22We are protesting, we are calling for civil disobedience,
00:27who come to the meeting because they also know that the way is from there.
00:32But talking to Tariq-e-Insaab does not suit the government.
00:35And the reason for this is that Tariq-e-Insaab cannot give them an extension.
00:41They cannot say that you run your government,
00:43no matter how long, two more years, like Mian Sahib did.
00:46Imran Khan may not be able to do this.
00:48And in response to that, what Imran Khan wants, the government cannot give at all.
00:52Will Imran Khan be able to come out and be accepted by the government?
00:57Will he be able to run this country according to the constitution and law?
01:01Will he be able to return the seats after conducting an election?
01:04Or will he be able to change in the 26th term?
01:06It doesn't seem so.
01:08Now it seems that Imran Khan will be punished in the case of £190 million.
01:14What will Tariq-e-Insaab do? What are the options?
01:17Fawad Sahib, first tell us what did Imran Khan say to you?
01:19I just want to add one thing.
01:21The government of Shahbaz Sharif does not want to negotiate
01:25that they cannot give an extension or offer them anything.
01:29The Shahbaz Sharif government does not suit the temperature that has come down.
01:32Because if he is the Prime Minister today,
01:35then he is only the Prime Minister because the other two are fighting.
01:38And this fight continues.
01:40And it continues to grow.
01:41You see, I have seen it in your program yesterday,
01:43or you can see it all week,
01:44whoever comes on noon, he celebrates 9th May, 9th May, 9th May, 9th May.
01:48And all they do is that we have to keep the temperature up.
01:52Don't let it come down.
01:53Catch it, this is it, that is it.
01:54Neither Shahbaz Sharif nor Maryam Nawaz,
01:57this does not suit that the temperature is down.
01:59And secondly, if you have to give something in negotiations,
02:02if you give something, then the government will fall.
02:04No, the temperature has come down.
02:05But see, what is the second problem in this?
02:08The problem in this is that the loss of this fight is happening to Pakistan,
02:13where a division has increased.
02:15It is happening to the army, which has a lot of influence on it.
02:19Let's come to it.
02:20Tell us what Mr. Khan was saying today.
02:21The meeting that took place with Mr. Khan today,
02:24Ali Ameen Ghandapur was there,
02:26Chibli Faraz was there,
02:28Salman Akram Raja was there,
02:30and Shah Mehmood Qureshi was there.
02:32Shah Mehmood Qureshi,
02:34two days ago Shah sahib and I met Mr. Khan.
02:39We had a lot of discussions on it.
02:43When the committee was formed,
02:45it was all in that meeting.
02:46Was it based on your request?
02:48The request was obviously the decision of Mr. Khan,
02:50but the issue was that Shah Mehmood Qureshi also thought
02:53that we should definitely have negotiations and talk.
02:57But you also had another wish
03:00to talk to Mr. Fazl-ur-Rehman, Mr. Chakzai and Mr. Akhtar Mengal.
03:04Is Mr. Imran Khan ready for this?
03:06Imran Khan wants to do it,
03:08but he has taken our constituency politics.
03:11D.I. Khan politics.
03:13So that is actually a problem.
03:15But anyways, nonetheless,
03:17let's take that forward.
03:19Today, we were basically discussing
03:21how to proceed with the negotiations.
03:24Imran Khan thinks that when you spoke,
03:27that the government is not serious enough to talk to you,
03:29they won't do it.
03:31But Ali Ameen thinks that they will talk.
03:34And he thinks that this discussion will go ahead.
03:37Now, Mr. Khan has said that you do it this way,
03:40because you are saying,
03:42you wait till Saturday.
03:44If you get a positive signal from the government,
03:48then you take this call of civil disobedience forward.
03:55And if it doesn't come,
03:57then you can do it according to the schedule.
03:59Civil disobedience is nothing anyway.
04:01Apart from this,
04:02what you said about Ali Ameen,
04:03that Ali Ameen thinks that the discussion will go ahead.
04:05There is a sign for this too.
04:07And he is right.
04:09He is tired of this.
04:11He says that mobilising is not an easy task.
04:13PTI doesn't want to agitate now.
04:16They say that they can't come.
04:19Punjab doesn't come.
04:20And they can't come again and again.
04:21Is there anything else that is important?
04:23The news that was published,
04:26that Mr. Khan said that he reads the newspaper,
04:28it seems that everything is going well.
04:30Is there anything about that?
04:32That angle is also very pleasant.
04:36So, Mr. Khan also...
04:39He scolded me a lot today.
04:41He scolded me a lot.
04:42He scolded you?
04:43He scolded me a lot.
04:45He won't say this.
04:46Obviously, he can't say this.
04:47But I am telling you, he scolded me a lot.
04:49What did Mr. Khan want him to do?
04:51Should he come with a sword?
04:52Or should he stop talking nicely?
04:54What should they do?
04:55Look, Imran Khan,
04:56you both know Mr. Khan as much as I know him.
04:59Actually, to be fair with the present PTI,
05:02you know him more than me.
05:04Mr. Khan is an aggressive player.
05:06Mr. Khan doesn't like to play long games.
05:11He doesn't like to play games that are easy.
05:13So, that pressure was Mr. Khan's issue.
05:16And I think he is very right.
05:18Negotiations also happen when there is pressure.
05:21If you don't have pressure,
05:23and if you negotiate,
05:25then how will you succeed?
05:27So, it is right that KP should do it.
05:31But there are bigger textures of pressure.
05:33For example,
05:34I think Mr. Khan made the right point.
05:36And I have said it many times in your programs.
05:38He said,
05:39it was suicidal not to move on 9th February,
05:42when you were sitting at home.
05:44You should have been out on 9th February.
05:47When Chatha's statement came,
05:48Liaquat Chatha's statement,
05:49you were sitting at home.
05:50After that,
05:51you don't have any pressure in the parliament.
05:54You both,
05:55because you remember this,
05:57and you both have seen
05:58how Benazir Bhutto created pressure in the parliament
06:00with 14 seats.
06:02In our country,
06:03there is no pressure of the parliamentary parties.
06:05So, there are also tactics of pressure.
06:07There are levels.
06:08So, it is not that you have to do it every time.
06:11Bring the rest of the pressure.
06:13But,
06:14this pressure is not enough.
06:16It is not enough
06:18to change the status.
06:20Would you agree?
06:21What he is saying,
06:22do something in the parliament.
06:24And Ali Ameen,
06:25I can understand.
06:26You must also understand
06:27what Ali Ameen is saying.
06:28Negotiations will happen.
06:29He means,
06:30give him a year.
06:31No,
06:32Ali Ameen is in a unique position.
06:34He is also the chief minister.
06:35So,
06:36he has a contact with the establishment.
06:38It is not necessary that
06:39every time it is about PTA.
06:41Terrorism on the rise.
06:42Kurum issue is going on.
06:43All issues are going on.
06:44Yesterday,
06:45they have also called
06:46an apex committee meeting.
06:48So,
06:49after that,
06:50there are a lot of legitimate excuses
06:52from the establishment
06:53to interact.
06:54So, obviously,
06:55these things will break.
06:56Look,
06:57Imran Khan is a very aggressive man.
06:59There is no doubt about it.
07:00But,
07:01I have always seen
07:02that over the years,
07:03he has a very targeted aggression.
07:05He has a very calculated aggression.
07:07I think,
07:08the real loss
07:09that PTA has suffered a lot,
07:11for example,
07:12his official twitter handle,
07:14it runs on its own game.
07:16And,
07:17Abbas sir,
07:18I have also tweeted
07:19on that twitter handle.
07:20No,
07:21look,
07:22Kashif,
07:23you and I
07:24are sitting in America
07:25and doing the program.
07:26Our program
07:27will have a very different mood.
07:28Sir,
07:29when it comes to
07:30who is in control of that,
07:31the biggest
07:32conflict
07:33that Imran Khan
07:34has with the
07:35establishment,
07:36I think,
07:37whatever is happening
07:38on twitter,
07:39whether you call it
07:40X or social media,
07:41one thing is that
07:42you are calculated.
07:43Okay,
07:44I agree that
07:45Mohd. Butta
07:46Who feeds
07:47social media?
07:48I think,
07:49wording.
07:50But,
07:51messaging
07:52is with approval.
07:53The message
07:54that came from Bangladesh
07:55is with approval.
07:56You give a message
07:57that,
07:58we will suppress
07:59the army.
08:00Leave the army
08:01on this.
08:02Now,
08:03what is the wording in that?
08:04If you come
08:05on personality,
08:06family,
08:07the reaction
08:08will be different.
08:09Aggression has to be
08:10a very calculated
08:11aggression also.
08:12No one does it.
08:13You can't imagine
08:14Imran Khan without
08:15aggression.
08:16But,
08:17I think,
08:18Imran Khan
08:19puts more pressure
08:20through this X
08:21because
08:22his party
08:23can't put
08:24that pressure.
08:25Tell me,
08:26who are the people
08:27who put
08:28that pressure?
08:29Twitter X
08:30is in their hands.
08:31Everything
08:32comes down
08:33to words.
08:34When Ameen
08:35Gandapur came
08:36for the last time
08:37in November,
08:38his funeral
08:39and Fatah,
08:40read everything.
08:41Now,
08:42he came
08:43and said
08:44we will bring
08:45the army
08:46and do everything.
08:47We will talk
08:48the same way.
08:49You give an
08:50excuse to the
08:51government.
08:52You give an
08:53excuse.
08:54Then,
08:55the government
08:56says,
08:57what do you
08:58want?
08:59You are
09:00giving it
09:01in a plate.
09:02They are
09:03talking.
09:04How can we
09:05let them come?
09:06Politics is
09:07all about how
09:08you say
09:09something.
09:10It's not
09:11what you
09:12do.
09:13It's all
09:14about expression.
09:15All about
09:16expression.
09:17The game
09:18of expression,
09:19I think,
09:20the strength
09:21of PTI is
09:22Imran Khan
09:23is extremely
09:24popular.
09:25His vote
09:26bank is
09:27intact.
09:28Now,
09:29why are
09:30you wasting
09:31it?
09:32Sir,
09:33there is
09:34no other
09:35option.
09:36I said
09:37in the
09:38beginning,
09:39how does
09:40PTI get
09:41out of
09:42this?
09:43If you
09:44are in
09:45this position
09:46and you
09:47are
09:48dictating,
09:49why should
09:50we spoil
09:51it?
09:52There is
09:53nothing
09:54like
09:55that.
09:56You
09:57can talk
09:58harshly
09:59to me.
10:00You
10:01can talk
10:02without
10:03abusing
10:04my family.
10:05When you
10:06abuse my
10:07family,
10:08my reaction
10:09will be
10:10different.
10:11But
10:12I think
10:13PTI has
10:14to change
10:15its status.
10:16It
10:17can't
10:18be done
10:19with
10:20small
10:21things.
10:22Khan
10:23has
10:24said
10:25that
10:26PTI
10:27has
10:28to
10:29change
10:30its
10:31status.
10:32It
10:33has
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