👉 Gabriel Astrovsky, corresponsal en Medio Oriente, informa sobre un reciente ataque del ejército israelí en la ciudad de Saná, Yemen. Este ataque es una respuesta a una serie de seis ataques realizados por los hutíes de Yemen sobre territorio israelí durante la última semana y media. Strovski también comparte su experiencia personal viviendo en Israel durante estos tiempos de conflicto y cómo las familias locales manejan la situación.
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00:00We talk to Trotsky, who we usually see with another scenario.
00:05Gaby, how are you?
00:06Hi, Facu, how are you?
00:07Our man there in the Middle East, in Israel, in what is being lived there.
00:11There are news from the last moment, Gaby, because there is an invasion now, right?
00:14Exactly, in the last hours there was an attack by the Israeli army on Yemen's territory,
00:21precisely in the city of En San, in the capital of Yemen,
00:26where, according to Benjamin Netanyahu himself,
00:30the attack responds to the whole series of six attacks
00:34that the Houthis of Yemen carried out on Israeli territory during the last week and a half.
00:40Well, this is usual, it happens.
00:43I mean, we were just talking a little during the break with Gabriel Trotsky,
00:47I repeat, who we always see from the position he transmits to the American group,
00:52everything that is being lived there in the Middle East.
00:55Are you living in war, Gaby?
00:57We are living in war, the reality is that yes,
01:00maybe in certain points of the country we live, as we just said,
01:04maybe we can live a little with a certain air of normality, more on one side than on the other,
01:09but the reality is that a year and two months ago Israel was living in a situation of ongoing war.
01:13The situation in the north is more complex, and in the south,
01:16due to the borders, due to the limits, due to the proximity even of the military possibility of arriving with weapons, right?
01:24Exactly, in the south, definitely yes, based on what was the attack.
01:27What area is that?
01:28The south is the whole area of Ashdod or Ashkelon down,
01:31adjacent to the Gaza Strip, to the east of the Gaza Strip,
01:37which is actually the area that was most affected on October 7, 1923,
01:42when the group never entered Israel,
01:45and you are talking about an area in which the vast majority of the people still could not return to their homes.
01:52First, because their homes are not rebuilt, and second, also due to a security issue.
01:56And to the north, which borders with Lebanon?
01:58And to the north, all the part that borders with Lebanon, the part of Metula ...
02:01Roshaniqra, but there is a border, which is a border where the United Nations is, if I'm not mistaken, above.
02:08Well, yes, you have the whole part of the blue line, where the whole part of the United Nations was,
02:15which since October 8 of last year began its withdrawal,
02:19when Hezbollah began in solidarity with Hamas to attack the north of Israel,
02:24and when Israel began to respond to Hezbollah's attacks,
02:28the first thing the United Nations did was, in some way,
02:32to run to safeguard the Blue Helmets and leave freedom of action to both Hezbollah and Israel.
02:40Gaby, in recent hours there had been talk of a rapprochement of positions between Hamas and Israel,
02:45and these negotiations seem to have fallen. What happened? How did that come about?
02:50Look, Pablo, the reality, what is officially known, is that the conversations do continue,
02:57that they are being carried out, especially with the mediation of Qatar and Egypt.
03:02There was a statement from Hamas emissaries in the last 24 hours
03:09regarding the situation, which says that they intend to continue talking,
03:16but that they are beginning to freeze that dialogue in some way,
03:20as soon as Israel asks again for certain requirements for that ceasefire,
03:25which it is never willing to give in.
03:28Basically, the points that are in greater discussion are, the first and foremost, the kidnapped.
03:35The number of kidnappers that Israel intends to return, which are 100,
03:39and the number that it never intends to return, which is a list of between 30 and 34 people.
03:45And on the other hand, the situation of Rafiha, the limit between the Gaza Strip and Egypt,
03:52which Israel regained control of during the months of war,
03:57and which it is never intending for Israel to retreat, to leave,
04:02and this is one of the most sensitive points and there is greater discussion.
04:05Regarding the detainees that Israel has,
04:08or what they say, political prisoners, terrorists, whatever,
04:12are there also doubts about those numbers, what Israel should give?
04:16Look, the number that Israel is handling at the moment...
04:18You were talking about about 5,000?
04:20No, the number that Israel is handling, 5,500, between 5,000 and 5,600,
04:24is the total number of Palestinian prisoners who are housed in Israeli prisons.
04:29That's what I was going to say. It is worth noting that they are legalized.
04:33Totally.
04:34Each family knows where each prisoner is.
04:37Totally.
04:38It is a very different situation from that of the hostages.
04:40That is the difference.
04:41Very serious.
04:42It never has 100 kidnappers, people who were taken by assault.
04:45Of those who are not known how they are.
04:47Of those who are not known how they are, of those who are not known how many are alive
04:50and how many have been murdered, of those who are not known absolutely nothing,
04:54because any story that those kidnapped who were released throughout this year
05:00could say, I was there and I saw it.
05:03Now, I was there and I saw it in November of last year.
05:06At this time it is not known what state it is.
05:08The little that is rebuilt from those who were still kidnapped
05:11is because some released person said, I saw it with my own eyes in November.
05:15In November or last January, not now.
05:17And on the other hand, you are the prisoners who...
05:19Tell me something, tell people a little, because it seems important to me
05:24to give a dimension of how an Argentine family lives there in the middle of all this.
05:31What treatment is there in the media of this issue?
05:34It is a constant issue.
05:36One wakes up and goes to bed talking about this situation, about the war.
05:42How is it worked?
05:44You have small children.
05:46How do you work as a father, as a mother, as a family?
05:49To contain the youngest?
05:51To explain to them that this is happening in this part of the world?
05:56Because ultimately the world speaks of Israel, the world speaks of Ukraine and Russia.
06:01And we don't often stop the ball in the madness we live
06:06to think that the world is at war.
06:08The world is definitely at war.
06:10And you know, Facu, and this is something we always say
06:12through the outings and the different programs in the A24 program.
06:17It is very difficult for me not to make the separation
06:21regarding what happens in the different areas of the country.
06:24It is not the same situation in the south and the north as in the center.
06:27I am in the center of the country and fortunately it is lived as a certain normality.
06:32Your children go to school, you go to the supermarket.
06:35Exactly, I can get in the car to go to work.
06:38And do you do it when you get in the car?
06:40This is such a normal thing that you highlight something
06:43that of course is normal for anyone who is watching us.
06:46Do you do it with fear?
06:48Do you do it thinking that something can happen?
06:50Do you do it with precautions?
06:52Or do you feel that it has become normalized and naturalized?
06:55You know what?
06:56Let's see, I don't know so much if it's the word fear or precaution and always being alert.
07:02Because fear you can have if you are afraid that they will come to steal your car
07:08when you are standing in a traffic light.
07:10It is not that fear, but it is the permanent alert state
07:13of being maybe driving on a highway
07:16and that the sirens on the phone start ringing.
07:19You have seen it several times.
07:21You have an app.
07:22I have an application on my phone.
07:24You have an application on your phone that as a WhatsApp message arrives
07:27or a notification of an alert of something,
07:29you get the notification of a siren ringing in a certain area.
07:32And suddenly you come walking through Tel Aviv,
07:35which is a beautiful city, very European.
07:39Totally.
07:40I always compare it with Barcelona.
07:42Totally.
07:43Or with Miami, with some places in Miami.
07:46You come walking and you hear an alarm
07:49and suddenly ten blocks later you know that there is a complication.
07:52Exactly.
07:53Or in the place where you are walking or where you are stopped in traffic.
07:57It's terrible.
07:58But Tel Aviv is a city like Barcelona, like Buenos Aires,
08:01that in a few hours you are in the middle of a highway
08:04and you don't move with the car and you can take an hour to drive 20 kilometers.
08:08And at that moment you can hear a siren
08:10and you have to be careful to get out of where you are.
08:13You were asking me what things we naturalize.
08:16But above a highway you stop the car and get out?
08:18Exactly.
08:19And everyone gets out?
08:20Everyone has to get out.
08:21Gabi, you are also a porter.
08:24But General Paz,
08:26you come walking through General Paz or Lugones.
08:28The siren goes off, people stop the car, get out and look for a shelter.
08:32If you have, depending on where you are,
08:35depending on where you are, you have a certain time to take refuge.
08:39In Tel Aviv you have a minute and a half.
08:41If you are in the middle of the highway
08:43and you know that in that minute and a half you can get to the bench and hide,
08:47you do it.
08:48If traffic does not allow you and we are all cars stopped in all lanes,
08:53you get out of the car with the key, which is something we naturalize.
08:56You start traveling with the car key on top of your pocket
09:00so as not to forget the car is open
09:02and run to the bench as far as you can from the cars
09:06and take refuge there in the open air, face down, lying on the floor,
09:10with your hands covering your head.
09:12Question.
09:13How do your children live that also when they are at school
09:16there may be a siren, there may be an alarm
09:18and they also have to go to take refuge?
09:21That is part of what the boys also naturalized.
09:25And to me, as an Argentine, I say,
09:27maybe the opinion of someone who was born there
09:30and lived constantly in a situation of possible conflict,
09:35I see it in another way.
09:36But those of us who come from other parts of the world,
09:38it is more difficult for us to naturalize.
09:40And the boys who got there a little older,
09:43it is also difficult for them to naturalize the fact that
09:45maybe they are in a class and have to run
09:49or be playing ball in a break and have to run
09:52to the protected area that the schools have,
09:54which are generally either the acting room
09:58or some fairly large classroom that can group
10:01at least half of the boys who have
10:03the student universe of each school
10:06so that they can all enter safely.
10:08And if you are on the street, how do you quickly identify
10:10which is the refuge?
10:12Look, you know it's very normal that the buildings,
10:16the doors of the buildings do not usually have a key,
10:19they do not usually lock.
10:21They are open.
10:22Especially in these times of war.
10:24So it happened to me, for example, last week,
10:26I was driving the car, the siren rang,
10:28I left the car on a quiet street,
10:31there was not so much traffic, I was with a friend,
10:34we entered, we saw people who were entering a building,
10:36we were not from that building, we got in there,
10:39we waited 10 minutes and we left.
10:41If you don't have that possibility,
10:44back to the sidewalk, to the floor.
10:46To cover you somewhere.
10:48To cover you somewhere.
10:50Well, it's strong to hear it in the first person.
10:55I close this part, Gaby, of course,
10:57thanking you, we are very happy to see you.
10:59I always tell you on the cell phones
11:01because you are in a very complex place
11:05and well, of course, we will continue in contact.
11:08And I close this part,
11:10I don't know if you want to add anything else.
11:12In particular, having the opportunity,
11:15after a year of war, to be here,
11:17thank the A24 team for everything.
11:21The coverage that could be given to the war
11:25from the A24 screen
11:28is something that has not been given in all channels,
11:30not in Argentina and not in many parts of the world.
11:32And the truth is that living there
11:34and having a little beyond the professional part,
11:36having the need to know what is happening,
11:39the support that the A24 has always had,
11:41it is to emphasize.
11:43Well, thank you, Gaby.
11:44I close with this, the message of peace,
11:46the request made by Pope Francis.
11:48Look.
12:09There it highlights a little what we were talking about, Gaby,
12:20before the ceasefire in different places.
12:22The world is at war, this must be understood.
12:24And we must make it visible, as we said just now,
12:27and show it.
12:28It is necessary to make it visible
12:30and allow me, Facu, to have a purely personal opinion
12:34regarding the declarations of the Pope.
12:37It is so controversial to hear at this time
12:40the declarations of the Pope
12:42that for a year he has not even asked
12:46for the liberation of the 100 kidnapped.
12:48Why do you think?
12:50You know it is very difficult to think
12:52why it may not have happened.
12:54Because ultimately you are talking about
12:56the representative figure of the Catholic Church
12:58who should not take part
13:01in Israel or the Jewish religion
13:03and should not take part
13:05neither by the Arabs or Muslims
13:07or by the Islamic extremism.
13:09So it is very good that he asks for the ceasefire.
13:12I think he should have asked for the ceasefire.
13:15I think he should have asked for it
13:17several months ago.
13:19But beyond asking for hunger in Gaza,
13:21which has not happened since October 2023,
13:24but has been coming for many years,
13:26in which he has never governed
13:28and continues to govern.
13:30I also think that if he already takes part,
13:32he should also take part for the 100 kidnapped.
13:34What is the situation of Hamas today?
13:36The situation of Hamas?
13:38Is it reconfiguring?
13:40I think it is reconfiguring.
13:42It is very damaged, yes.
13:44It is not destroyed as Israel intends,
13:46as the government intends.
13:48All this time, since October 8,
13:50Israel manages to kill leaders of Hamas.
13:52It manages to kill leaders of Hamas.
13:54It is true that it is very damaged.
13:56It is true that it is quite isolated.
13:58It still has some support from Iran,
14:00although not the same as it had
14:02in October of last year.
14:04It is not as eliminated,
14:06the reality is that it is not as eliminated
14:08as Netanyahu's government declared
14:10a year and a half ago,
14:12that it intended to eliminate it.
14:14I think that the fact
14:16that the Houthis in Yemen
14:18are starting to carry out
14:20so many consecutive attacks against Israel,
14:22in some way,
14:24is what is allowing Iran
14:26to focus the world,
14:28to focus the focus of the Houthis in Yemen,
14:30so that, in some way,
14:32Hamas and Hezbollah in the north
14:34can also start to reorganize
14:36until they return.
14:38I don't know if they will have the same power
14:40that they had during the last months,
14:42because it is true that Israel damaged them
14:44and a lot, but yes,
14:46that they can regain some control over France.
14:48Javi, welcome back home and thank you for visiting us.
14:50Thank you, Facundo.
14:52See you soon on the screen.