👉 El gobierno venezolano ha emitido un comunicado oficial en el que se dice que Nahuel Agustín Gallo, gendarme argentino, fue detenido y procesado por presunta vinculación a acciones terroristas. Según el Ministerio Público, Gallo intentó ingresar irregularmente al país bajo el pretexto de una visita sentimental.
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00:00We're going to review the Venezuelan government's statement.
00:03It says, among other things... Pablo, you have it there, right?
00:07We're going to review it and read it in full.
00:09Attention, this is the official statement...
00:13...of the Attorney General of the Republic of Venezuela...
00:16...regarding the Argentine Gendarmerie.
00:19A statement that confirms that the Argentine Gendarmerie...
00:22...is prosecuted for links to terrorist actions in Venezuela.
00:29What does the statement say?
00:30Having fulfilled the corresponding procedural deadlines...
00:34...as provided by the criminal procedural organic code...
00:37...the public ministry reports that Mr. Nahuel Agustin Gallo...
00:41...has been arrested for trying to enter...
00:44...the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela irregularly...
00:48...hiding his true criminal plan...
00:52...under the guise of a sentimental visit.
00:55A criminal plan with the excuse of visiting his family.
01:00This is what the Attorney General of Venezuela says.
01:04In this sense, this citizen, Nahuel Gallo...
01:08...is subject to the respective investigation...
01:11...for his link to a group of people...
01:15...who tried, from our territory...
01:18...and with the support of groups of the international far-right...
01:21...to carry out a series of destabilizing and terrorist actions.
01:28The pre-nominated defendant, Nahuel Gallo...
01:32...is at the disposal of the judge...
01:33...on the basis of what is established by our constitution...
01:36...and national laws.
01:38The statements and actions made by the Argentine government...
01:41...using the relatives of the defendant...
01:43...as well as the judicial resolution taken by the Federal Chamber of Mendoza...
01:48...make clear the complicity of the authorities of that nation...
01:52...that is, Milley, Huerta, Patricia Ulrich...
01:55...in the subversive plans that seek to attack the Venezuelan state...
02:00...and its legitimate institutions.
02:03This prosecution, as well as all public authorities...
02:06...we remain firm in the supreme duty to preserve and defend peace...
02:10...sovereignty and the principle of self-determination of peoples...
02:14...as fundamental pillars on which our republic is based...
02:19...signed by Tarek William Saab...
02:22...Fiscal General of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela.
02:27Several issues arise from here.
02:30On the one hand, the prosecution as news.
02:33On the other hand, the ratification that, according to Venezuela...
02:38...it is part of a plan of the international far-right...
02:41...to carry out destabilizing and terrorist actions...
02:44...and, finally, how it scales up the diplomatic conflict.
02:47Because this is not an action, according to Venezuela's view...
02:52...it is not an action of a loose madman...
02:56...or of an international terrorist group, according to Venezuela's view...
03:00...but this is orchestrated and digitized...
03:02...from the highest levels of the Argentine state...
03:06...which clearly states the complicity of the authorities of that nation...
03:10...of Argentina, in the subversive plans...
03:13...that seek to attack the Venezuelan state at any cost.
03:17This is the opposite of McCarthyism.
03:19It's like the speech of the 1970s here in Argentina...
03:25...but in the opposite line, ideologically.
03:29So, this is Venezuela's position.
03:31Let's see what the Chancellery's answer is.
03:34And I go back to the point I was telling you about a while ago, Javi.
03:38Look how Venezuela...
03:40...marks it on the plane of an international conflict.
03:43Therefore, the answer must be through the diplomatic path.
03:48The Chancellery has to answer this.
03:50What you have to do right now, and the task is to recover...
03:54...in this case, the Argentine citizen.
03:57Actually, regardless of whether he's a gendarme.
03:59That's why I think it's very important to mark that.
04:01Patricia Bullrich, of course, has to speak.
04:04The Chancellery has to speak.
04:06The Chancellery has to face this.
04:09This is a very important issue.
04:10I'd like to ask Gabriel Astrosky, who's here with us.
04:14Hi, Gabriel. How are you?
04:15Hi, Javi. How are you?
04:16What happens in a country in conflict, in war, and so on?
04:20Are they all suspects? Do they all go to jail?
04:24Look, it depends on the situation and on who's going in.
04:28The truth is that what's happening with the gendarme in Venezuela...
04:31...compared to how it would look in Israel, is a very strange situation.
04:36I mean, arresting a person and starting a case against a person...
04:42...just because it's something out of the ordinary, in general...
04:49...or at least the way Israel as a country moves diplomatically.
04:56We used to say, at most, he'll be detained for a couple of days...
05:01...and then he'll be expelled, or something like that.
05:04That's the first thing that should happen, a deportation.
05:08With diplomatic relations cut off, there should be an instance...
05:13...in which he's allowed to leave the country...
05:16...even if Venezuela intends to continue judging him.
05:19The soldier Yalit, who was an emblem, right?
05:24He was kidnapped for never, right?
05:26He was kidnapped for never, for five years.
05:29And he was returned, of course.
05:30He was returned in exchange for a negotiation...
05:33...in which Israel agreed to release 1027 prisoners...
05:38...legally imprisoned, just for the life of Yalit.
05:44Among the 1027 prisoners was Heji Asinuar...
05:47...who orchestrated the massacre of October 7th.
05:51October 7th, exactly.
05:53Well, those are the negotiations that are taking place.
05:55Now, with Argentina, I don't know what kind of negotiations...
05:58...they're going to have with Venezuela, in this case.
06:00For now, we don't know...
06:01They're not prisoners of war.
06:03For now, of course, it's a completely different situation.
06:06We're talking about...
06:08That's why I insist on this.
06:10He's a member of the Internal Security of Argentina.
06:13Yes.
06:14We're not talking about a soldier who went to Venezuela...
06:19...and then they say they want to intervene in Venezuela.
06:22We're talking about a member of the Argentine Security Force...
06:25...who operates borders into Argentina...
06:28...who was on vacation, and if they have any proof...
06:32...that he's participating in a destabilizing action...
06:35...what they have to do, as you said before, Javi, is deport him.
06:38There's no reason to kidnap, out of suspicion...
06:42...an Argentine citizen.
06:45I insist on this idea of a citizen.
06:47He's not a member of an external security force.
06:51What is he doing?
06:52Maybe he's a member of the army, or some other member.
06:55It would be a huge issue of international conflict.
06:59But at least it would be within the framework of a conflict.
07:03There's no conflict here.
07:05Wait, it's not that there's no conflict.
07:08Argentina has a political conflict with Venezuela.
07:11Right?
07:12But now it's transformed...
07:15But political from another plane.
07:16No, of course.
07:17It's not a war conflict with Venezuela.
07:19No, of course not.
07:21So what kind of conflict is it now?
07:23We don't know, because diplomacy didn't work.
07:26It's very complex.
07:29I tried to talk to a lot of people from the Chancellery...
07:32...people I've known for a long time, other new people.
07:36Nobody knows anything.
07:37I'm strongly concerned.
07:40Nobody can explain to you what the strategy is...
07:43...against the Gendarmerie.
07:45Yes, there was some communication in the middle of a presumed...
07:49...intervention of Pope Francis, but when you talk about it...
07:52...you're immediately reminded of an intervention by Catamarca's governor...
07:56...Raul Jalil.
07:58It doesn't seem to be an organic intervention by the government.
08:02It's an intermediation by Kirchnerist leaders.
08:06Juan Grabois first, also closely linked to the Pope.
08:10Then Oscar Laborde.
08:12But none of them spoke to the government to tell them...
08:15...they have the possibility of getting there...
08:18...they have Maduro's cell phone...
08:21...they want him to call them...
08:24...no, they did it on their own, in the case of Laborde...
08:28...who is now denounced by Patricia Woolrich herself.
08:32This can also harm the negotiations.
08:35That's why I was telling you, those who appeared as emissaries...
08:39...one of the three that appeared, or circulated in the last few days...
08:44...Pope Francis, Juan Grabois and Laborde...
08:48...one of them is already prosecuted for treason against the country.
08:52He's been denounced.
08:54What did I say? Prosecuted?
08:56But denounced by the government, not by a law firm.
08:59Denounced by the government, no one gets involved here.
09:02There's a lawyer who denounced Laborde too.
09:05But well, he added to the government's denunciation.
09:10I insist on this.
09:12The government should give clear explanations.
09:15The Chancellery? I hope they do it now.
09:18I'd like to see the logo of the Ministry of Security instead of the Chancellery.
09:22Okay, it's something. Both of them will be there, Patricia Woolrich.
09:26I don't quite understand what Patricia Woolrich is doing there.
09:30No, Patricia Woolrich is the head of the Gendarmerie.
09:33Yes, but I go back to the point. Who should be in charge of this?
09:36Well, okay, but she...
09:38For me, it's her.
09:39But why?
09:40Because she is responsible for the Gendarmerie.
09:42She wasn't in charge.
09:43Of course, that's what I'm saying.
09:44Gendarmerie didn't travel like Gendarmerie to Venezuela.
09:46We had civil citizens.
09:48But she's a member of his force. That's what I'm going for.
09:51It's like, I don't know,
09:53traveling to, I don't know,
09:55some citizen of a private profession.
09:58But wait, I'm going to take your point, Javi.
10:01I'm going to take your point and I'm going to tell you,
10:03you're in consonance with the tweet that Villarroel published and deleted.
10:08What did he say?
10:08Patricia Woolrich shouldn't have let him go.
10:10Therefore, Patricia Woolrich,
10:12who is assuming the protagonism of this conflict,
10:15is politically responsible for having let him go.
10:17No, at the very least, she could have given a recommendation
10:21not to travel, for example, to countries
10:24in which Argentina has a certain conflict.
10:26But we don't have a conflict with Venezuela.
10:28There is an epistolary exchange, let's say, a debate.
10:31Sorry, Maduro has a conflict with Venezuela.
10:35In addition, Maduro has mentioned Patricia Woolrich
10:39a couple of times.
10:41Yes, but we don't have...
10:42We have an intellectual, ideological conflict
10:46of political relations with the Republic of Venezuela.
10:52But there is no real conflict that implies
10:55that I can't travel to Venezuela.
10:57But, sorry, I ask you,
10:59why should Patricia Woolrich authorize a person to travel or not?
11:04Even if he is an employee of the police force,
11:07when he doesn't go on an official trip...
11:09I understand.
11:10I understand that he has a police state.
11:14I understand that he does.
11:15Even when he goes on vacation alone, without a uniform?
11:20Yes, of course.
11:22Yes, because he has a rank.
11:25He is not an ordinary citizen.
11:27He is a member of a security force.
11:29But then what Pablo is saying makes sense.
11:31If there is no situation, beyond the epistolar,
11:35in which Argentina is in conflict with Venezuela,
11:40then there is no need for Patricia Woolrich
11:43to prohibit or recommend to his staff
11:45not to travel to certain countries.
11:47No, because you...
11:49There are certain countries in which they can recommend
11:54not to go.
11:55For example, Iraq.
11:57But it has to do with their conflict.
12:01As a member of a security force, you have to...
12:05At least, that's the protocol I know.
12:07You have to inform where you are going to travel with your family
12:10on vacation.
12:11We are going to a certain place.
12:13Because if there is a problem,
12:15in which, as in this case in Venezuela,
12:18the same place where you belong
12:22also has to take care of your situation
12:24if there is a problem.
12:26I take it from you and I take it back to the comparison
12:29with Israel that you asked before.
12:31Since October 7 last year,
12:33there are many countries in which, as you know,
12:36there were anti-Semitism outbursts,
12:39there were persecutions of citizens
12:42of the different countries of the Jewish communities,
12:44and Israel, not the employees of the gendarmerie
12:47or military forces, but the entire citizenship,
12:51Israel issued, throughout this year,
12:54different messages saying that the population is recommended
12:57not to travel to a particular country.
12:59Now, there is no recommendation from Argentina
13:02to the gendarmes or to the entire citizenship
13:05saying, don't travel to Venezuela.
13:07So, the gendarme had total freedom
13:10to travel wherever he wanted.
13:12Sure. Let's see.
13:13I want to reinforce the debate.
13:16Because I actually raised this because I say...
13:19You think about it, sorry.
13:20I go back to the point.
13:21You think about it, the gendarme, the military,
13:23and the police have been, in quotes,
13:27it is said in this way, military.
13:30When you go to another country and a police officer comes,
13:35on vacation,
13:36Yes.
13:37supposing he comes with a gun that he has to take somewhere else,
13:40he says, I am a police officer.
13:41Well, he can't come here.
13:42He can't travel with a gun, if he goes on vacation, less.
13:45We are forgetting a fact.
13:46Yes.
13:47Argentina, like most countries,
13:49did not know the result of the Venezuelan elections.
13:52Besides.
13:53For the Argentine Republic, the result of the Venezuelan elections
13:56There is a conflict.
13:57It is fraudulent.
13:58Between countries.
14:00Well, then.
14:01For Argentina, Venezuela is at least a country that had...
14:05I don't want to blame the gendarme.
14:08Or a dictatorship.
14:09Yes.
14:11So, you have to be very careful with the recommendations
14:14of Argentines who travel to Venezuela,
14:16especially if they are members of the security forces.
14:18I don't want to get into legal issues
14:20of international relations that are very complex.
14:23It gives me the feeling that we don't speak
14:25in the face of this non-recognition.
14:28We can't get to a status of conflict between countries.
14:31Conflict between countries is when you have a limitrophic difference
14:35or some conflict, as it could have been
14:37between Argentina and Uruguay over Botnia.
14:40Here we are talking about the Argentine opinion
14:42about the elections of a country that is far away.
14:46But there is a political conflict.
14:48Political.
14:49Yes, there is no war, there is no territorial conflict.
14:53It's bad to see it because it's not a political conflict.
14:55But there is a political conflict.
14:57The Argentine embassy is surrounded.
14:59Of course.
15:00I can't give you more examples than that, Pablo.
15:03Yes.
15:04And it's the biggest there can be for a country.
15:06And the historic partners of the Bolivarian or Venezuelan government,
15:10as you like to call it, have questioned,
15:13for example, the gendarmerie,
15:14they have also questioned the results of the elections.
15:16The relations between Argentina and Venezuela
15:18are at their worst.
15:20It's clear that they are at their worst.
15:21There is no discussion.
15:22There is conflict.
15:23But it's not that Nahuel Sosa was going to a place
15:27where there is a war conflict and where they are kidnapping people.
15:30But you don't need a war conflict to be arrested
15:33if you are a security member
15:35and a country considers this to be espionage.
15:38You don't need a shooting.
15:40In fact, there is a shooting in Venezuela.
15:43Because there are a lot of political prisoners in Venezuela.
15:45Yes.
15:46Yes, but it doesn't matter.
15:48People who don't coincide with Maduro inside, not outside.
15:52Internally.
15:53I mean, it's totally questionable.
15:55It's not questionable.
15:56It's fine.
15:57But they are internals.
15:58They are Venezuelan citizens who,
16:00according to the government's regulations,
16:03of the Maduro dictatorship, let's call it whatever you want,
16:05are infringing the law that Maduro himself created.
16:08Well, imagine an Argentine citizen.
16:11An Argentine citizen who is not a friend of that country.
16:15If he follows a rule, he has to be deported.
16:17Yes.
16:18If he doesn't, who has to intervene?
16:20The Chancellery.
16:21Well, that's fine.
16:22Or else, Petri, let's go and start a war.
16:24That's a point.
16:25No, I hope not.
16:26I hope not.
16:27If we are in conflict, let's go.
16:29If we are in conflict in this way, it would be complicated.
16:31But I think that, let's see,
16:33it is logical that Patricia Woolwich intervenes.
16:37From what I already said.
16:39The military state of the gendarme.
16:41Even when I'm on vacation, it doesn't matter.
16:43I'm still a gendarme.
16:45The profession of that person is gendarme.
16:48A member of an Argentine security force.
16:51Who is going to visit his family.
16:53Or who is going to buy, I don't know, coconuts in Venezuela.
16:57Or fuel, whatever.
16:58But he is a gendarme.
16:59Now, protocol-wise, on the Argentine side,
17:02what you are saying about Woolwich is fine.
17:04Now, shouldn't Woolwich make himself available
17:09to Wharton for the Chancellery to take action?
17:11That will surely happen.
17:13Remember when there was a conflict...
17:15The picture is the other way around.
17:17Do you remember when there was a conflict with Bolivia?
17:21That great conflict that Venezuela had
17:26with Evo Morales de Lido, who later came here.
17:30Are we talking about this year or the blow of Yañez?
17:33Yañez.
17:34And he was surrounded by the embassy.
17:36Do you remember?
17:37Well, Gendarmería intervened there too.
17:38He ordered to rescue and take care of Bolivia.
17:43And we were not in conflict with them.
17:45Or, actually, there was an internal conflict.
17:48Yes, there was no internal conflict.
17:50But if the new government interpreted
17:53that the security forces that had traveled from Argentina
17:55to supposedly take care of the Argentine embassy
17:59could be spies for some of them,
18:02they would put them in jail.
18:04Yañez put them all in jail.
18:05Remember that at that time there was the Quixanerism,
18:09which was the end of Evo Morales.
18:12In fact, when security personnel travel to certain countries
18:16to take care of the embassies, the diplomatic headquarters,
18:21the chancellories of each country have to accept,
18:24I mean, recognize the security officials
18:28in the same way they recognize a diplomatic personnel
18:30who is going to take possession of a position.
18:34So, if this were the case, for example, of the Gendarmerie,
18:39the Venezuelan government should also recognize them,
18:42which does not happen anywhere.
18:45That's why we are waiting for the conference.
18:47Diego, let's see, I'll make the last touch with Diego
18:50before closing this topic for a while
18:52and come back as soon as he tells us.
18:54Diego, nothing, right?
18:56You don't tell us anything as soon as it starts?
18:59Yes, let's see.
19:01Let's see.