"9 May ka jin logon par ilzaam hai, jo judicial inquiry kyun nahi hui?" Ali Muhammad Khan
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00:00Ali Muhammad Khan sahab, you must have listened to the press briefing of DJI and SPR.
00:03One thing that is very important in it is that the case of justice will not be completed
00:08until Mansoob Asaaz and the real masterminds behind 9th May are punished.
00:16Now, this statement has come at a time when there will be negotiations on 2nd January.
00:21Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf, are you seeing the matter of negotiations being impacted by this?
00:26Considering that the establishment is an important stakeholder in Pakistan's case.
00:32Thank you very much. In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
00:37Allahumma salli ala Muhammadin wa ala Ali Muhammad.
00:40This is an important statement.
00:42I think that DJI and SPR have not repeated this statement.
00:51This is our demand as well.
00:54The demand that DJI and SPR are making, they are making this demand now.
01:01We have been making this demand since 9th May.
01:05Since Imran Khan sahab was released, I think it was 13th May.
01:08I was arrested on 11th May, when Khan sahab's case was in the Supreme Court.
01:13On 13th May, Khan sahab's statement was released.
01:17Since then, there has been only one statement of Imran Khan sahab and Tehreek-e-Insaf.
01:21Tehreek-e-Insaf itself demands that the judicial inquiry of this 9th May incident should be done.
01:31So that whoever has a role in this should come forward.
01:34But it should be a judicial inquiry.
01:36It should not be a military trial of civilians.
01:40It should be a proper judicial commission inquiry.
01:43And our Mazaqraq has also done an inquiry of 9th May, which is one of our main demands.
01:49So we are also making this demand.
01:51But Imran Khan sahab, there has been a response to this.
01:54The response is that you used to say that this was a false flag.
01:57This was done by the army itself.
01:59This was done by the law enforcement agencies themselves.
02:01The people of the agencies were involved in this.
02:03So now DJI and SPR have also asked this question that if the people of the agencies were involved,
02:06then why did we punish the people of our agencies by putting them in the box of justice?
02:12So why is there a blame on that?
02:13Why is there a regret on that?
02:14Why is there a worry on that?
02:16Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf should be happy that
02:18Faiz Ameed has been punished for this matter or for intervening in politics.
02:24As far as General Faiz sahab is concerned,
02:28we have a clear position on that of Tehreek-e-Insaf that it is an unnecessary matter of the army.
02:34And there is no need for us to comment on it or say anything.
02:39But the people who are accused of 9th May,
02:45why hasn't there been a judicial inquiry yet?
02:48A high-powered inquiry under the High Court,
02:51or a high-powered commission under the Supreme Court,
02:54which should be headed by a sitting judge of the Supreme Court.
02:57We ourselves are demanding this.
02:58Ali Mughal Khan sahab, any sitting judge or senior-most judges,
03:02because your demand so far is that of senior-most judges,
03:05will it also be accepted that any judges on the side of Ayni Bench should also listen?
03:11Or some other judges should also listen,
03:14other than the three senior-most judges you are demanding?
03:19Look, we are not in favour of judge-shopping,
03:22but it should be with the senior-most.
03:24Even in the military, the senior-most are the ones who come forward.
03:31This is also the case in bureaucracy.
03:33So if you want to do an inquiry,
03:35why would anyone want to do it with a junior judge?
03:39Why not the sitting Chief Justice or his senior-most sit on it?
03:44Or there is another solution to this.
03:46Why not full-bench?
03:47All of them should sit.
03:48Why can't they sit?
03:50If they could sit on other issues,
03:52then this is a very important matter.
03:55So the PTI, instead of demanding three senior judges,
03:59if there is a full-bench, then Pakistan will accept your justice.
04:02That is a very interesting point.
04:04Until now, there was a demand for three senior judges, right?
04:08Look, what you said,
04:10that if someone says,
04:12you yourself said,
04:14that the judge should come to the bench,
04:16we will say that he is the senior,
04:18he will say this and that,
04:20someone will say this, someone will say that,
04:22then everyone should sit in the Supreme Court.
04:24Everyone should sit and investigate.
04:26I don't think there will be anything
04:28that if something blatant comes up,
04:30why would a sitting Supreme Court judge want
04:33to put pressure on something that is wrong.
04:35But what has happened now,
04:37what has happened in the military courts,
04:39you tell me, is this justice?
04:41Trialing civilians and political workers in military courts.
04:44Military courts are either for terrorists,
04:47who are jet black terrorists,
04:49or for the military personnel,
04:51who have their own internal work,
04:53I don't have any other work.
04:55Mr. Ali Khan, that political workers thing,
04:57you are right that they are political workers,
04:59but here the line becomes very grey,
05:01if they attack the security institutions,
05:03are they just political workers,
05:05or do they comply with the definition,
05:07where the terrorists work,
05:09do they comply with the definition?
05:11This is a grey area at this time,
05:13either clarify this grey area,
05:15by sitting in the parliament,
05:17because it will not be clear in this way,
05:19that they are just political workers,
05:21but whenever the political workers want,
05:23they can attack the security institutions,
05:25make a claim.
05:27Look, I don't think anyone has attacked,
05:29or protested,
05:31and some people have accessed the protest,
05:33there is no denying that.
05:35Who can tell anyone,
05:37to go and set fire,
05:39the one who set fire is wrong,
05:41the one who broke the bodies,
05:43the replicas,
05:45whoever did it is wrong,
05:47who is defending that?
05:49The point is not this,
05:51the point is that at the end of the day,
05:53these are civilians,
05:55these are political workers,
05:57the military courts are closed for terrorists,
05:59we are often asked this question,
06:01we are often asked,
06:03that in your time too,
06:05civilians were punished by the military courts,
06:07absolutely,
06:09who can tell,
06:11was there a worker of Nood League,
06:13People's Party, ANT, Jamaat-e-Islam,
06:15or Jamaat-e-Islam?
06:17The government often answers this,
06:19Ali Muhammad Khan says,
06:21did any of our workers ever go and
06:23make a claim on a security institution?
06:25I am just trying to understand,
06:27because there is another response to this.
06:29We are not here to have a political debate,
06:31the People's Party or Nood League,
06:33I will answer them,
06:35my point is,
06:37my point is,
06:39if you ask me,
06:41tell me,
06:43did we ever make a claim on security?
06:45Did we ever kidnap a PIA?
06:47Did we ever attack the Supreme Court?
06:49Did we ever,
06:51like the Chief of Army Staff,
06:53he was saying,
06:55take him with you,
06:57he will not go to Pakistan.
06:59Did we ever kidnap a PIA?
07:01This will go far,
07:03we are not even talking about it.
07:05My point is,
07:07the civilians who were punished in our time,
07:09they were terrorists,
07:11a terrorist does not come in a uniform,
07:13he also wears a sherwar shirt,
07:15he was a civilian,
07:17they are political workers,
07:19they are the future of the nation,
07:21they are your own children,
07:23and second thing,
07:25I am saying this for the fourth time,
07:27if you pick up a gun
07:29and attack our rangers,
07:31police, military,
07:33our armed civilians,
07:35if you could talk to them,
07:37if you could talk to the terrorists,
07:39you did not do the dialogue,
07:41which was done by Mr. Safdar.
07:43Mr. Ali Muhammad Khan,
07:45let's go to the Balochistan side,
07:47but there is a problem with the dialogue,
07:49that terrorism ended in 2021.
07:51My argument is other,
07:53I am saying that,
07:55when the Corps Commander Peshawar
07:57wore a Guldistani uniform,
07:59there was no dialogue,
08:01if you could talk to them,
08:03why are you being so strict
08:05with your own children?