Where do Miami Heat fans stand right now in this situation with Jimmy Butler, is it time for both parties to part ways?
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00:00We need to delve into it
00:04I'm asking you heat fans
00:08You two guys are heat fans as well
00:12Where are you right now in the Jimmy situation is it to the point where it's like, you know, what?
00:18Maybe this maybe time has run as has run its course. Maybe it's time to for an amicable amicable breakup
00:26Maybe it's time for both parties just to leave. It's been a run. It's been a great run. We've
00:33Achieved the highest of eyes, but we haven't achieved the ultimate high
00:39yeah, but maybe it's time as you are further along in your career and as
00:45Pat getting further along in his career in life. Maybe it's just time for us to
00:51Just to you know reload
00:56Change course, here's what I would say
01:00When they didn't extend him to me that told me all I needed to know
01:08Because
01:10Without extending him
01:15You really don't want to be on the hook for 52 million in
01:20one year
01:22Because it makes it more difficult to trade him
01:26So by not extending him I
01:30Always thought that we would be in this at in this moment
01:37right with
01:39stuff circling because
01:41you don't want him to opt in and if
01:46Think about this if you don't want him to opt in for 52 or whatever that mean
01:51I think it's 52 right around that amount
01:54yes, if you don't want him to opt in for that, the only way you can save money is by extending it and
01:59If you could have extended him you would have did it already. So the fact that you weren't gonna do it
02:04I always thought this was
02:07You know gonna happen now
02:12What doesn't help is?
02:15Jimmy being out
02:17Now the heat have done two things this offseason
02:22Two things that people need to pay attention to
02:26They got longer in and and younger
02:31Right, they got longer and younger right and
02:36And when I ask you because of them seeing that seeing
02:41The difference in Tyler this season that you have
02:45It could have very well been Tyler. You've already given BAM the extension
02:51He's El Capitan for your team, right? Right. You got Tyler you drafted triple J
02:58You have Nico, right?
03:00I have Pele is it maybe that Pat Riley and Eric's bolster in a heat brass have seen?
03:05Okay, they've seen enough of those young guys to say
03:10We but we can we have something special and maybe we can we need another younger
03:18Star
03:21Around the same age or a little bit older then got a lot of got a lot of
03:26Right a lot of juice a lot of blood on the tire. Is it time to do that, right?
03:31Yeah, or the Heat fans that want to get rid of Jimmy Butler or want to trade Jimmy Butler off
03:35My one warning to you is this
03:37Be careful what you wish for you just might here. Here's what here's what I would say. I
03:45Have no question
03:47None in Jimmy's ability. Okay, none whatsoever
03:53However
03:56It's a different basketball team
04:00when Jimmy is playing and
04:03When everybody else is playing
04:06It's a different basketball team. Oh really because their record is very similar than it was for the past two years right now
04:11No, I know but but I'm just saying
04:14I would just say I would just say you don't know when he's gonna miss games
04:19Right. You know what you're gonna get if you trade him
04:24But you do know what Jimmy's capable of well see see here's here's the thing here's the thing I
04:31Don't want to sound
04:34Negative when I say this
04:38Right, but go ahead and lay it on us people are always saying
04:43But when this time comes Jim is gonna be this and when this time comes Jim is gonna be that Jim is 35 years old
04:52What the hell's wrong with y'all?
04:54like you
04:58Yesterday's Jimmy ain't today's Jimmy
05:02But what do they always say about Pat Riley he's in win now mode
05:06What gives you the best chance to win now with this team a healthy Jimmy. There you go
05:11Oh
05:13He can get healthy though, that's
05:16You want Jabari Smith?
05:19Here's what you can't do in sports stop doing this I
05:23Hate when fans do this. I get it
05:26No, you're right when your team is the season last year you assume we what you're gonna do the following year
05:31You're doing it with Jimmy right now
05:33Oh when we get to January when we get to the playoffs when we get here
05:38You can't live your life on when we get there this is gonna happen you need to know certain things
05:44I'm no, I'm saying this you're counting on Jimmy to get healthy. You're okay. And what if he doesn't then what then?
05:52Are you willing are you willing to risk because here is what the ramifications of getting that wrong are
06:00Jimmy I've sent for 52 million or he opts out and go somewhere and you get nothing for him
06:05Are you willing to risk that are you in because wait, I know players I
06:12Know players
06:14That if it don't happen the way they want to
06:18Get the bubble guts more. Oh, I know no best-case scenario
06:21Jimmy gets healthy makes another run in the playoffs worst-case scenario is he opts in and doesn't care at all next year and you're on
06:27the hook for 52 million dollars to the player who has
06:31Again again, here's the deal
06:35Okay
06:36You can say all of these things
06:40but here's what I'm gonna put out to you if you are you run the Miami Heat as
06:48Great as Jimmy's been
06:50you have been in the same spot for the last three years and
06:56What you have hoped for is
07:00Jimmy Butler
07:01to be playoff Jimmy
07:04You cannot run a franchise like that
07:08Okay, because when it goes south you're gonna be on the hook and gonna be in no man's land
07:16no man's land is a
07:18whole bunch of money paying out and
07:23No results on the court
07:25So Jimmy's 35. That's like that's your issue. I'm not fault any Jimmy for being 35
07:34For you guys for you guys to think
07:38That 30 or old Jimmy
07:40He's not even 35 you wrong guys. He's 35 in birth years. Okay, maybe he played for tips
07:46He played for tips. He's actually 41. So so it's not
07:54It's not
07:55That I don't think Jimmy is any good
07:59That's not but what I'm saying is
08:04smart a
08:07Smart organization
08:11Doesn't let it play out to where you have
08:15Coming off the bench D wait
08:17So dollars to doughnuts does Jimmy Butler get traded before the deadline in February? It looks like yes
08:24Most likely. Yes, glad it looks like yes. Oh, yeah, Jimmy's gonna be
08:29And you gotta listen here's the thing with all you saying you're right and this is
08:34This is a really delicate situation. It is because it has nothing it listen
08:39It has nothing to do with Jimmy's ability
08:42But it has to do with Jimmy being 35 having a 52 million dollar bill at the end of the year
08:48It's not about Jimmy's ability and you said not take sending but Dan said it's about Jimmy's availability
08:55and that's another point but
08:57I'm gonna go with the Bill Belichick
09:00Philosophy, I'd rather let go of you a year early then keep you a year late
09:05You know what? I'd rather do that
09:08But so that is the nucleus that you've shown me right now
09:12You've got a young nucleus something to be excited for you don't want to play none of them
09:17But that's a whole nother story. That's a whole different story and you know, but hey, let me ask you
09:24Here's here's what
09:26Here's how you need to look at this situation
09:31What is the best-case scenario
09:34Keeping Jimmy Butler
09:38Well best-case scenario I'm being 100% honest with you what happened two years ago you make it to the NBA Finals, that's hope
09:46They were a eight seed right? Yeah
09:53Okay
09:55When was the last time I ate seed made the finals the mix right a long time 99 it was right
10:02Do you understand right? Do you understand what you're hoping for has only happened twice in 30 years?
10:10Okay, okay now that that's your best-case scenario for something to happen
10:16For the third time or the second time in three years, but it is your best game. Hold on now
10:23What is your worst-case scenario told you 52 million dollar case of bubble guts, okay
10:28No, I'd even playing you don't even make the playoffs. You know this season this season. Yes worst-case scenario
10:35You're a playing team again. Okay now way the two options
10:40Let's not even talk about the 52 million
10:43Way the two options way to two
10:46Way the two options and then tell me
10:50Are you better off?
10:53Maybe trying to shake it up a little bit
10:59Are you better off with a known talent that can lead your team to the finals no
11:06Dude did you just hear what we talked you wanted you you're asking you're hoping for something that to happen
11:13For the second time in three years
11:16That's only happened. That would be three times in 30 years the variables you're eliminating are
11:21It's basically the same team with the same coaching staff in the same organization. You're not you're ignoring those variables. No
11:28What do you mean? No, I'm not
11:30So you're not no, I'm not I'm saying that. Yeah
11:38It happened
11:40But that's an anomaly. That's not the standard
11:45Okay, so you're telling me this team
11:49Okay with the hopes of Jimmy
11:53Playing some of his best basketball again. Yeah, you again. You're making an assumption
12:02This team
12:04Can compete with Boston Cleveland, right
12:10New York New York
12:13Yeah, you throw New York in there Milwaukee, right? They're playing mom
12:18so
12:19So you you're saying this team Orlando?
12:23Can't even beat Orlando. We with it with their C team. What happens when all those guys?
12:29That C team the next night wouldn't beat Boston too. So let's not get too. Okay. Well, I'm just saying
12:35Okay
12:38We're not making a good point for yourself
12:40Me when you say that that C team beat the Bosh's Celtics the next night
12:45Which means if you can't beat Orlando with their start with their starters being out
12:50I'm saying what's gonna happen when they do come back. I'm trying to say don't discount
12:53But I'm not discounted but but that's also proving that the East has gotten better while you remain the same
12:59What I'm saying is this best case scenario NBA Finals worst case scenario your best case scenario your best case scenario
13:07is
13:08an anomaly that happened two years ago and so you can say like you you
13:14Like
13:15That's not the norm
13:17you're making you're making your best case scenario seem like a norm that happens on a
13:24Regular on the regular and it's only happened twice in 30 years
13:28Well, that's why I'm saying this best case scenario worst case scenario. Then there's reality somewhere in
13:35reality
13:36Reality or succeed and you make it into the playoffs and you get a first round you think this team is gonna be a 60
13:41Yes
13:43We're
13:46Every year in December
13:48Right Jimmy's goner. Is that what we're saying? I'm just I'm just look I don't know that
13:54But here's what I do know saying it would make the reasons that the reasons that everybody is giving me
14:00to tell me
14:01Let's wait. Let's go on another Jimmy run
14:04I'm saying if you run the heat and you sitting around waiting for the Jimmy run. You ain't doing your damn job. I
14:12Understand I understand I'm just trying to get to the bottom and trying to see best case worst case
14:17This is how everything's gonna go. I've said this all year
14:19But if the man don't want to play
14:21This to put your two best players in this city
14:27Was gonna their time
14:31Or and their talent was gonna get to the point where the troubles weren't gonna be worth it or the you know the constant
14:39Stories or trolling or all of that. It was gonna get to a point that it was people were gonna
14:47Start backlash and like there's gonna be backlash people are not gonna feel it anymore and that's happened with Jimmy
14:52That's happened with Tyree. The fortunate thing was they gave Tyree to money the heat
14:58Made sure they're like, all right. Yeah. Well, maybe if you do this, yeah you do that
15:03Yeah, you have a contract that's guaranteed next year
15:05but we'll see about giving the extension because
15:09We always say
15:11Once the production once the production
15:15Starts waning the problem's not worth it anymore. Well, that's what we're saying
15:20Buddy best-case scenario. Let the season play out with Jimmy and let Jimmy walk next year
15:26Yeah, but Jimmy cannot that Jimmy cut opt-in and stick it with a 52 million dollar bill that makes it more difficult to move
15:33So what I'm saying to you is is
15:36The heat of weighing all of the options. Okay, you're trying to get something
15:43All right, if they're gonna trade him at all they're trying to get something if you let him walk and
15:50Get nothing for him
15:53You know what? The first comment is gonna be
15:56The first comment is gonna be why didn't you trade Jimmy?
16:00In all fairness in all fairness the way these contracts are now
16:04In order for the player to get what they want. It's gonna have to be a trick
16:08That's why that's why LeBron right like LeBron could assign as a free agent
16:12But they they had to do the trade so in fairness for Jimmy to get also what he wants
16:18He's probably gonna be it's probably gonna have to be a trade so that a sign a trade, right?
16:22Yeah, it's gonna be I don't know if you can do it. I don't know if you can do a sign a trade
16:26Can you give him an extension now and then trade him or
16:32Now I don't think you'll be able to trade them until like maybe sometime right
16:37That's where we are. Now. I don't think you can do a sign a trade
16:41I don't that's why I think the heat of it's gonna be it's gonna happen sticky sticky sticky for the