Madaris se mutaliq mazeed koi shikwah nahi lekin..." Kamran Murtaza ka ahem bayan
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00:00If I can ask you without going into too much technicality,
00:03then is it right to say this, or please correct me if I am not able to say it correctly,
00:07that you said that we want to register from here,
00:11the other team or the opposing team said that no, we are registered from there, so we will be registered from there,
00:17then this bill has come in which the summary is that you can register from wherever you want,
00:22and they too will not have to come this way by modifying their registration,
00:26but they too will have their own system, is it right to say this?
00:30Ultimately, you can take it in two ways,
00:34one is that the bill came on 20th and 21st October,
00:37and ultimately it became an Act, in that only the matter of registration was ours,
00:41but after that, I think the ordinance must have been issued today,
00:45we had agreed on that ordinance,
00:47so as a result of that ordinance, some amendments have been proposed,
00:53and as a result of that amendment, they too will be able to register from wherever they want,
00:59and for us, it has become an Act.
01:01Okay, now Mr. Kamran, the question is that it is good that the situation is going on,
01:05it was not a good scene in any way that the Ulema are sitting here, the Ulema are sitting there too,
01:09and there is chaos,
01:10but it is good that the matter is settled,
01:13but can the order of the country go on like this in the long run,
01:17that Mr. Badami, if you want to do it from here, you can do it from here,
01:20Mr. Kamran, if you are coming, you can do it from here,
01:22can it go on without uniformity in the long run?
01:26See, the registration that was happening before, there was no statutory force behind it,
01:31we presented ourselves before the law, and now there is a statutory force behind our registration,
01:38in fact, after the implementation of this ordinance,
01:40which must have been done today or will be done by tomorrow,
01:43after that, there is a statutory force behind their registration too,
01:47and that statutory force has been given in the same Society Registration Act,
01:51apart from this, there was no such law behind which they were being registered,
01:56so the statutory force was given to them while fulfilling our ultimate demand,
02:01and while finding their way,
02:04otherwise, without any law, they were saying that we have been registered with the Directorate of Religious Education,
02:11so their registration, their registration, their not being registered,
02:15there was no relevance in that,
02:17but now that there is a statutory force behind it,
02:20so now there will be relevance, and they will also be covered.
02:23Should your complaint be termed as an end,
02:26or do you have a complaint that something was committed,
02:29but even after that, it could not be done smoothly, after going through so many stages?
02:34If it is finally corrected, then we do not complain after that,
02:38at least in this regard, there is no further complaint about Madarish,
02:42there is a complaint about the election,
02:44we say that the election was not correct, but in this regard…
02:47That complaint will be somewhere else, I was asking about our President's complaint,
02:50there is no further complaint there.
02:52If it is corrected, if it ends well, then everything is well.
02:56It's all well that ends well,
02:57and Sir, we hope that in the future too, your Jamaat can get the support of the government.
03:04No, see, even now, in the midst of this,
03:07I had said that we had reservations regarding the election,
03:11and we will be reservations until the elections are not cancelled.
03:16In this, the judicial matters are not interfered with.
03:20Until then, we will have reservations regarding the election.
03:23We have reservations on the government as a whole,
03:26in which Khawar Pakhtunkhwa is also included,
03:28and here Wafaaq is also included,
03:30and we have objections and reservations on these elections.
03:35But the call to come to Islamabad,
03:37if it had fallen, then the call would not have been permanent,
03:40but it would have ended, right?
03:42There is no such call at the moment.
03:44If the call had been made,
03:46if there had been such a thing,
03:48that there would have been a refusal,
03:50and it would not have been taken forward by the government,
03:52by the President,
03:53then it was possible that the call would have been made,
03:56and as a result, people would have been gathered in Islamabad.
04:00Okay, so now, in a way,
04:02the 26th amendment has been completed,
04:04in a way that it was already done, technically,
04:06but that was also done,
04:07what you had committed to them,
04:08and what they had committed to you,
04:10that was also done.
04:11If I ask you a simple question,
04:13what kind of experience was this?
04:14All this effort, which finally reached its end,
04:16what kind of experience was this?
04:19There is still a limit to this,
04:22regarding Waqf-e-Milag in Islamabad,
04:24and that is pending,
04:26maybe there is a meeting after a day,
04:28in that too, the legislation that has been done,
04:30has not been corrected,
04:31so it was also promised to be corrected.
04:33Now you said that how was all this experience?
04:35This experience was very scary.
04:38Whatever the original draft was,
04:40the original draft would have gone to everyone.
04:42If we had accepted that original draft,
04:45then the result would have been completely bad,
04:48and I was surprised at how it could be agreed upon.
04:53There were 56 clauses in it,
04:55and those 56 clauses were brought to the government in part on 22,
04:59and it was also guided.
05:02Five days later, we included ourselves,
05:04which had to do with the issue of the constitution,
05:06there were some issues with the issue of the court,
05:08there were issues with the issue of the Islamic Council,
05:11so we took a few steps forward with regards to our draft,
05:15including the registration of the Madrassas,
05:18and we tried to reduce the rest of it,
05:22but we can say that it was not an ideal situation,
05:26which still the court is examining,
05:28we will confirm it.
05:31Towards the end,
05:32do you think that the government and PTI negotiations will have a positive outcome?
05:39You can see that the negotiations are going on.
05:45Obviously, there will be some kind of backdoor diplomacy,
05:48or it has already happened,
05:50and the establishment will be involved in some way,
05:53which they don't want to be involved in.
05:56Now, with the establishment,
05:58how much it has become,
05:59or after that,
06:00like Mr. Khawaja Asif's statement came out yesterday,
06:02that stay awake,
06:04so that we don't get harmed,
06:08so now the establishment has to be one of the two,
06:12because how can we keep two together in today's world?
06:15Okay, not permission for two,
06:17but how can we keep two in today's world?
06:23It will be difficult.
06:24Let me tell you that
06:25if we are talking about two swords in one hand,
06:27then we are responsible for our own thoughts,
06:28we are talking about this.
06:29I understood that answer,
06:30I said the same thing,
06:31what are you saying?
06:32Okay,
06:33and sir,
06:34tell me the last thing in this,
06:35some friends gave this opinion,
06:37that was there any better wisdom taken from the PTI,
06:40that the way the government has increased its weight,
06:42not sitting alone in this negotiating table,
06:45but with the People's Party,
06:46which is not even a technical alliance,
06:48including them,
06:49and Mr. Salik is also there,
06:50and Mr. Ejad Ul Haq is also there,
06:52and so on,
06:53so is there any good strategic PTI here,
06:55if Mr. Achak Zahid or Mr. Monana's party
06:57keeps any of their representatives,
06:58it would be a good strategy.
07:00Do you think so,
07:01or if they would have offered you this way,
07:03or if they would have given this suggestion, then?
07:05With PTI,
07:06because we are engaged in the 26th amendment,
07:08so my experience is that
07:10as long as their matter is there,
07:12at that time,
07:13the right matters are going on,
07:15the moment that matter is over,
07:17then after that,
07:18they do not recognize.
07:20Then,
07:21you see it till today,
07:22that we have not put any helpful opposition
07:24even within the parliament.
07:26It was the job of the big party,
07:28to take everyone along,
07:29but they could not take everyone along.
07:31A committee was formed on our part,
07:33a committee was formed on their part,
07:34that we will cooperate in legislation,
07:36issue to issue,
07:37we will move forward,
07:38but you have seen that
07:39even in the 26th amendment,
07:40its weight,
07:41although everything was done by their will,
07:43but ultimately,
07:44they did everything on the other side,
07:46and then after that,
07:47the benefits of that,
07:48they came to collect them themselves.
07:50So this,
07:51I think that
07:52they will not involve others,
07:54maybe.
07:55For this,
07:56there is a need for self-development,
07:58and because there will be an establishment behind this,
08:01and the desire of both sides is that
08:03there will be an establishment,
08:05to make it settled.
08:06So,
08:07if the establishment will settle something,
08:09then everyone will agree to it.
08:11Right.
08:12What do you say,
08:13pride of beauty,
08:14pride of love,
08:15they cannot come,
08:16we cannot go,
08:17then it is fine,
08:18nothing will happen.
08:19Thank you very much.