Murtaza Wahab Strongly Responds Kamran Murtaza's statement
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Murtaza Wahab Strongly Responds Kamran Murtaza's statement
Murtaza Wahab Strongly Responds Kamran Murtaza's statement
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00:00We have repeated this position again and again at 10.20 pm.
00:08In these words, Mr. Bilawar is not saying the right thing.
00:11Mr. Bilawar was in favor of article 8 and we stopped it.
00:19Mr. Bilawar did not say the position.
00:21And this is not a man from Tehreek-e-Insaf or a journalist.
00:24Mr. Kamran Murtaza himself is saying this.
00:26What is this?
00:28Waseem, the statement will continue.
00:31Has the atmosphere become bad because of this statement?
00:33No.
00:34Look, when the leadership is directly in touch and the leadership is clear,
00:38moving forward with clarity,
00:40that yes, there is a need to make reforms,
00:43and there is a need to build consensus,
00:45there is a need to respect each other's opinion,
00:48and on which you all agree,
00:50that document needs to be taken forward,
00:52then I think the atmosphere is not bad.
00:54So, exactly what happened?
00:55When Mr. Bilawar came, I asked him,
00:58what is article 8?
01:00He said, yes, there is, but what can we do?
01:02It is a compulsion.
01:03Look, even yesterday I…
01:04You had gone with him at 2.30 pm.
01:06Look, I had three meetings with Mr. Bilawar.
01:09Right.
01:10We met weekly, at night, at Mr. Bilawar's house.
01:13There was no secret meeting.
01:15It is an open secret that Mr. Bilawar came to Mr. Bilawar's house and…
01:19Weekly means when there was a meeting in the morning.
01:21It was a weekly meeting on Sunday night.
01:23Right.
01:24Mr. Bilawar came on the night of the week,
01:26and Mr. Bilawar met Maulana Sahib,
01:29and Maulana Sahib was with him,
01:31and there were other members of his Shura,
01:33and we were also present with Mr. Bilawar.
01:35Right.
01:36On the day of Sunday,
01:37Maulana Sahib met Mr. Bilawar at night,
01:41when Maulana Sahib himself came to the committee meeting.
01:44Right.
01:45And in the day,
01:46he also met Kamran Murtaza Sahib,
01:48and Shahida Bibi,
01:49who is a member of his parliamentary committee,
01:51he also met her in the Parliament House,
01:53and the reading was done clause by clause.
01:57And the third meeting,
01:58or the fourth meeting,
01:59was with Maulana Sahib on the day of Peer,
02:01in the evening.
02:02Right.
02:03When he again came to his house,
02:04and he spoke to him about
02:06how we need to move forward in this matter.
02:09And he is saying about the first meeting,
02:11that when the first meeting took place,
02:12then I told Kamran Sahib,
02:14Mr. Bilawar,
02:15that what is this,
02:16this article,
02:17this is not true,
02:18he is saying.
02:19Kamran Sahib raised many objections.
02:21It is his right.
02:22But most of all,
02:23this one.
02:24Yes, yes.
02:25But I will say this with respect,
02:26and with responsibility,
02:27that Mr. Bilawar did not say anything like this.
02:30Even today,
02:31I am saying,
02:32come to the merits.
02:33Leave these things.
02:34Kamran Sahib says,
02:35that Article 8 is bad,
02:36which was the suggestion of the government.
02:37Mr. Bilawar himself has also said,
02:38I also say,
02:39keep Article 8 aside.
02:40Tell me what else is bad.
02:41Where is Article 8 bad?
02:42See, Article 8.
02:43No, no,
02:44Article 8 has not been amended,
02:45the government which brought it,
02:46in their wish list.
02:47See,
02:48the context of the amendment,
02:49needs to be understood.
02:51In that,
02:52Mr. Kamran can have one perspective,
02:54the government can have another perspective,
02:56and Mr. Bilawar,
02:57can play the role of a bridge,
02:59how to bridge things,
03:00and move forward.
03:01But tell me,
03:02what is the issue?
03:03Yes, I will analyze.
03:04One minute.
03:05So that we can talk about the merits.
03:06We are not talking about the merits.
03:08We have started talking,
03:09about other things.
03:10I will ask a very small,
03:11simple question.
03:12That,
03:13the Lawyer's Movement,
03:14started in 2007.
03:15Right.
03:16It was said,
03:17there will be a state,
03:18which will love every citizen,
03:19like a mother.
03:20Everyone said,
03:21that the system of justice,
03:22has become clear.
03:23It is absolutely clear.
03:24Now,
03:25justice is cheap,
03:26and justice,
03:27will get standard justice.
03:28Tell me,
03:29is justice getting?
03:30Is there a need,
03:31to amend the system?
03:32So,
03:33what are you establishing with this?
03:34I am establishing,
03:35that there is corruption in the system.
03:36And,
03:37the fundamental work of the parliament,
03:38is under this paper,
03:39under this book,
03:40that it is our work,
03:41the work of the parliament,
03:42to amend it.
03:43So,
03:44try to amend it.
03:45So,
03:46not to make it worse.
03:47Absolutely.
03:48So,
03:49let's talk about Article 8.
03:50In which,
03:51it is,
03:52that sir,
03:53I mean,
03:54obviously,
03:55we are talking about reported things.
03:56Yes.
03:57Either you say it or not.
03:58Yes.
03:59It is not like that.
04:00Yes.
04:01By the way,
04:02Kamran sir,
04:03has also said on record,
04:04that brother,
04:05that document,
04:06in that,
04:07there was a statement about Article 8.
04:08That document,
04:09is still with me,
04:10even today.
04:11On which,
04:12I have made everyone,
04:13again,
04:14I am repeating it again,
04:15that sir,
04:16what is this?
04:17And,
04:18were you also against it?
04:19Or,
04:20because Maulana was against it,
04:21that's why you got it removed?
04:22No,
04:23I am telling you,
04:24that Bilawal sir,
04:25kept engaging periodically.
04:26We,
04:27from the aspect of military court,
04:28think,
04:29that,
04:30A,
04:31you have to,
04:32let's say,
04:33amend the judicial system.
04:34And,
04:35at the same time,
04:36as you remember,
04:37in the 21st century,
04:38when the APS incident happened,
04:39the military courts came,
04:40building a consensus.
04:41So,
04:42even in that,
04:43the Supreme Court said,
04:44that there should be a judicial review.
04:45We,
04:46somewhere,
04:47should not allow,
04:48any power,
04:49to be given,
04:50to any individual,
04:51to any institution.
04:52What was the wish list?
04:53What did the government want,
04:54in relation to Article 8?
04:55What did they want?
04:56They had a proposal,
04:57that the military court should be made.
04:58That the military court should be made,
04:59so that the civilians can be trialled.
05:00Yes.
05:01So,
05:02on that,
05:03Bilawal sir,
05:04engaged with them.
05:05He said,
05:06no,
05:07that the absolute right,
05:08should not be,
05:09that you,
05:10send a person to a military court,
05:11that there should be a judicial review.
05:12On what basis?
05:13That on the 21st amendment,
05:14the decision of the Supreme Court,
05:15it is written in that,
05:16that yes,
05:17it is right,
05:18that the amendment,
05:19was upheld.
05:20But,
05:21he said,
05:22that the High Courts,
05:23will have the right,
05:24to review it.
05:25We are moving forward,
05:26with the same principles,
05:27that are in place.
05:28But look,
05:29we were talking about merit,
05:30but you,
05:31I mean,
05:32this thing,
05:33cannot be ignored.
05:34Because,
05:35what has happened,
05:36Pakistan People's Party,
05:37obviously,
05:38talks a lot,
05:39about democracy,
05:40and democratic credentials,
05:41and sacrifices.
05:42If,
05:43a comrade,
05:44comes and says,
05:45that,
05:46I don't agree with this,
05:47but we have to do it.
05:48You are repeating,
05:49the same thing,
05:50again and again.
05:51Yes,
05:52that is why,
05:53you are ignoring it.
05:54No,
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