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In this episode, we critique the film "Homestead" from Angel Studios, addressing its shortcomings in portraying human relationships during a nuclear apocalypse. We examine the use of simplistic characters and clichés, particularly in the depiction of gender dynamics, where male rationality is vilified while female emotionality is idealized. Our discussion highlights the film's reliance on narrative conveniences, lack of character growth, and shallow emotional responses. We advocate for more authentic storytelling that captures the complexities of survival and the human experience.

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00:00:00Yes, we're here. This is Stefan. Jared. This is James. All right, we're actually in the same
00:00:06room because we have used your fine donations to develop teleportation devices that defy the will
00:00:11of the gods. So I will, in fact, not be asking for donations remotely. I'll be showing up in
00:00:16your bedroom. You may not recognize me because I will be dressed as Ronald McDonald or the clown
00:00:22from it, depending on whether you've donated or not before. So freedomain.com slash donate
00:00:25to help out the show. Now, we are good friends and we try to help each other make good decisions.
00:00:34But I think it's fairly safe to say this is on me. I did not help you guys make a good decision
00:00:40yesterday. In fact, I strongly encourage us to make what is possibly one of the worst artistic
00:00:45decisions I've ever made, which is to go and see the movie Homestead. That's fairly good.
00:00:50Is it fair? I grovel in sublime levels of knee bending apology for this. And we will talk about
00:00:59the why. This is from Angel Studios, and they have a pretty uneven track record for me.
00:01:06And I've seen now four of their films. Two of them were good. And one of them was forgettable.
00:01:15And this one was bad. And on so many levels, it troubled me.
00:01:23Now, I should correct that because I did put it on you to say you took us to go see Homestead. But
00:01:27no, the reality is I've seen people on Twitter, it seems like, have you seen Homestead? And in
00:01:33retrospect, I get what it was. It was product placement. Someone was organic marketing. Maybe
00:01:38it wasn't. In my opinion, not organic at all. Whoever was paid to promote it and talk about
00:01:43it and bring it up. And I understand why, because they weren't going to get the organic love.
00:01:49But initially, I'm like, oh, yeah, I got to go see that.
00:01:52Matthew Feeney Well, if so, for me,
00:01:53it was right out of my novel, The Present. People should get that at freedomand.com slash books,
00:01:57which is about the collapse of a civilization. Mine is more of a slow motion economic
00:02:02collapse. And theirs is nukes in the harbor.
00:02:05Jay Gould Well, and The Present is like a good,
00:02:08hearty, grounded, real philosophical take on this kind of a situation. I was looking for,
00:02:14okay, what's more of a practical take? Like, show me the cool stuff. How do I filter the water? How
00:02:19do I do this? Or what are the relationship problems I'm going to come across in this
00:02:22situation that I'm not going to hear about from you because you're dealing with the heart and
00:02:26soul of things. But what's the more surface level stuff I need to think about and negotiate and
00:02:30blah, blah, blah? I'm like, I was pretty excited.
00:02:32Matthew Feeney Well, and for men in particular,
00:02:36fortress stuff is cool. Because we evolved with this. I write about this in my novel,
00:02:42The Future, which is like, we have enough food for winter, our neighbors don't,
00:02:46and their bodies are going to have to litter the backyard until we can bury them in the spring
00:02:51because we can't let them in. This fortress stuff, this is why. So to me, it speaks to something
00:02:57really primal, which is, I've thought ahead. I've planned ahead, this grasshopper and the ant stuff.
00:03:03I've thought ahead. I've planned ahead. I'm really sorry that you haven't.
00:03:06And there was this tension, right? And this tension between the men saying,
00:03:11we have to keep them out and all the women saying, oh, we have to let them in because feelings.
00:03:17And I thought, you know, this was going to be really, I mean, that's an interesting
00:03:20tension or whatever it is, right? And even that could have been really great foundation for
00:03:28a story because that is where we live now.
00:03:30And I want to see that conversation too, but it needs to go completely different
00:03:34than it did in that movie.
00:03:38Shall we say spoilers? Obviously, you know, that whole movie is a spoiler.
00:03:43So yes, there will be spoilers in this. I, you know, if you like to analyze art,
00:03:49it's not a bad movie to see. Like we've got some really good conversations out of it.
00:03:53I was going to say, yes, it was, it did cross a point to where it was so obscene. It was humorous.
00:04:00So the basic story is there is, you guys said it was China, that there's this nuclear bomb
00:04:08and a fishing boat, a bunch of nuclear weaponry or whatever, and a fishing boat off Los Angeles.
00:04:12They were South Americans because they were speaking Spanish and then, but you could see
00:04:16like Asian writing all over the stuff. And he's like, think about your family, your familia.
00:04:21And then so the implication to me was that they were like paid to sacrifice themselves.
00:04:26Or their family was going to get killed if they did.
00:04:28Or that.
00:04:29Something like that. Oh, you made a vow or something like that. So there are these two
00:04:32Polynesian looking guys speak in Spanish and they detonate this bomb off the coast. And then this
00:04:39does some daisy chain thing that I didn't quite follow. Okay. But no, but then the Russians,
00:04:44bro, the Russians. Oh, I thought the Russians were being blamed for the first nuke.
00:04:47No, no, no, no, no, no. It was the cyber attack on the great cyber attack. And like,
00:04:53yeah, like you said, a daisy chain, first it's a nuke and then something else goes on and
00:04:57eventually like cohesion in society breaks down and California, Utah are fighting and that kind
00:05:03of stuff. To me, the movie was the right wing's version of civil war in its obscenity of how
00:05:10much they got it wrong.
00:05:11Go on. Let's hear about how they got it wrong.
00:05:14Well, they couldn't, they couldn't do a full nuke thing.
00:05:16Okay.
00:05:17Because then everyone's dead. Right. Or has nine heads. And like, there's no surviving.
00:05:20If there's like, you know, 50 nukes dropped on America, there's no surviving.
00:05:24Right. I mean, you got, that's why, otherwise people wouldn't build bunkers. Right. So they
00:05:28couldn't do a full nuke scenario. So they had to do, you can't just have the power grid hack
00:05:32because there's no drama in that. Like the mushroom crowd, for me, it triggers like cold
00:05:36war shit from my childhood. Right. So, so they have to have the mushroom cloud and the, and the,
00:05:41why is the sky so weird, man? Chemtrails. So they had to have a nuke for the drama.
00:05:47Yeah. Don't breathe the air. Is that a thing?
00:05:49That was in the movie.
00:05:50I don't know.
00:05:54Do you inhale?
00:05:55It could be. It absolutely could be.
00:05:56You inhale the...
00:05:57No, you can have a dirty bomb.
00:05:58Well, I thought, I thought it was, I was not sure about it. And then when they got the Tesla.
00:06:03Yeah.
00:06:05Oh, there was a bio-message.
00:06:06Yeah. It was like a bio-hazard.
00:06:07Like a, what did I say?
00:06:09You're right. I didn't catch that. The Tesla.
00:06:10Like a bio-hazard button. It's like, this is interesting.
00:06:13Right.
00:06:14So it's like, it's like a nuclear, it's like a bio-weapon, like what's going on?
00:06:17But then you bring the dog in who's been inhaling and exhaling,
00:06:20apparently into the car. It's totally fine.
00:06:22Well, no, no, the car, the dog. Oh no, you're right. You're right. Yep. Because he...
00:06:28You can't breathe it, but bring the dog in who's breathed it. Anyway, that's neither...
00:06:31One of the things is that it would harm you individually. Because I think the case to be
00:06:34made is like, it's either radioactive particles themselves or particles that have been made
00:06:38radioactive by the explosion. And therefore you're bringing in this into your body.
00:06:42But wouldn't the dog breathe out something?
00:06:44Anyway, so I didn't know that was a thing. I don't mind being schooled and educated.
00:06:47I'm sure they did some research that way.
00:06:48I don't know if it's a thing outside of the movie at all.
00:06:50Right, right. But it was there.
00:06:51So they had to have the bomb for the drama and everyone's got to flee, right? And a,
00:06:56oh, the lights are flickering is not the most dramatic way to start a movie, right?
00:07:00And they flee. And I thought at the beginning, I don't know who was the actress who played the mom
00:07:05at the beginning, but she was in the car fighting her panic. That's such good acting for me. Like
00:07:09that hit my heart hard.
00:07:11The first five minutes they had me, I'm like this, oh, finally we have a studio that gets it. Like
00:07:16this is going to be a right-wing studio, you know? And yeah.
00:07:21And then it kind of got haywire from then. So that family flees. And then there was
00:07:26the interracial family, the tough guy and the tough woman, right? The white guy, she's black.
00:07:34They were both ex-military and he was like stone-faced golem-headed tough guy. And he
00:07:39had the look and I thought he acted it very well and all of that. Like I really believe
00:07:42that he was that kind of guy. It wouldn't surprise me if the actor was ex-military.
00:07:46Because he just seemed to have that in his bones, you know? Like some actors are just
00:07:49born to play cops. And this guy was just born to play soldier of fortune guy.
00:07:53Like the army fellow out of a full-mountain jacket.
00:07:56And yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, he was that guy, right?
00:07:59Yeah, he wasn't actually an actor. Yeah, totally.
00:08:01And then they have this, the number of plot threads that were left hanging
00:08:05was annoying. Now I try not to be too OCD about plot threads, but there's this girl
00:08:11and she has a vision. She draws a tree that looks vaguely like a nuclear bomb
00:08:17and he holds it up and it looks, and she drew this an hour before. So she's got some
00:08:22prognostication thing. She's, does that ever come up again?
00:08:26Oh no, no, it does. Towards the end. So you can go keep watching the series.
00:08:30No, no. After the end. That's after the end. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:08:33The advertisement, yeah.
00:08:34Yeah. So the advertisement for the series. So to me, if you're going to set up psychic
00:08:37kid who knows bombs are coming, it's got to pay off. I mean, don't set me up. There's an old
00:08:43thing from Chekhov, the Russian playwright. He said, look, if you have a dining room and on the
00:08:48mantelpiece is a gun, it has to be used before the end of the show. You can't just have a gun
00:08:53on the mantelpiece and not have it go anywhere. And so they were setting up all of this stuff.
00:08:57And I'm thinking, wow, they've already got the balls in the air here. Apparently it's
00:09:00really easy to be a juggler if you just let things fall. Just don't, just so that can,
00:09:04because that showed up nowhere again. And I'm not really sure what the point was of
00:09:09kid draws ambiguous bomb tree an hour before, which nobody can figure out what it is. Like,
00:09:13what does that even mean? Does she get a vision? Is God trying to save them? Well,
00:09:16wouldn't he send them something a bit more clear? Like, leave the house. A bomb is coming,
00:09:22as opposed to this tree could vaguely be. Anyway, so that kind of drove me.
00:09:26When it does fit the theme of women are magical and have a better connection to God,
00:09:31Oh, the blasphemy. We'll get into the whole, because towards the end,
00:09:38of course it's gynocentricity. Gynocentricity, the women have totally taken over because the women
00:09:43have a special relationship with God. Don't you know? And the women, they get God, they understand
00:09:49God. And all that men can do is trust the women, right? The woman says, I believe I trust God.
00:09:55And the man says, I trust you. Such blasphemy, such an inversion of the man is the head of the
00:10:01household of Christianity. Absolute female worship, death of modern Christianity, absolute
00:10:06garbage. Or even if, let's say you leave that outside of it, it's an inversion on like the
00:10:10equality of men and women, because now just men deferring to women's magical relationship with
00:10:15God. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So let's talk a little bit about the marriages. So James is still single,
00:10:23ladies. Jared is married recently and very happy. It's wonderful. Do it. I have a married 20,
00:10:30almost 20. Oh God. We just went over this last night, 22, 22, this January. Thanks mom.
00:10:37Well, I don't know because I heard it last night. Well, I was listening, Steph.
00:10:41Oh Jesus. No, I appreciate that. I can't help but be an apple polisher. It's just my nature.
00:10:47Edit this part out. Edit this part out. Okay. So none of the marriages were good.
00:10:55There was this constant thing where the men were trying to be sensible and the women got upset at
00:11:00them. Always, always, always. Like the guys got a whole, like, so basically there's a bunch of
00:11:05people who flee the cities and they get to the homestead. The homestead is this giant half
00:11:10bulbous Mediterranean castle on a hill in the Rockies where they don't maintain the fencing.
00:11:15Apparently it's just not important. Don't maintain the fencing, but people got to stay out.
00:11:19So they get to this homestead and I guess the first quarter of the movie is them
00:11:24getting to the homestead, right? The drama of driving through and getting gas and there's an
00:11:28electric car. Why did you get an electric car? Like she gets mad at her husband. Why did you
00:11:33get an electric car? It's like, why didn't you know that there was going to be a nuclear incident
00:11:37and then the Russians were going to hack the grid? And like, come on, man. Like how about pulling
00:11:41together a little bit in a crisis, you know? Oh, sorry. We don't have a matched little girl
00:11:44in our house. I'm sorry. The bomb tree didn't tell me in the one hour before it happened to
00:11:50sell the car, the electric car and get a, I don't know. And why is it anyway?
00:11:55Well, and the electric car that also happened to have the biohazard.
00:11:58That saved their life. How dare you buy something that saved her life? So all that happened was the
00:12:02men were trying to be sensible and rational and the women were just upset about it, right? So
00:12:08there's this silver haired guy, the guy my daughter referred to as ball, by the way,
00:12:14why is he not in this movie review? I remember at least for much of the movie, some of the movie,
00:12:21part of the movie, I did see her in the movie theater. This is where I admire her wisdom.
00:12:26She fled. She's like, I'm done. I'm cashing out. So there was an interesting synchronicity between
00:12:31the movie and the audience because the movie characters were fleeing the irradiated bomb
00:12:38in the Harbor. And my daughter was fleeing the irradiated bomb of the movie. So there was really
00:12:42quite a lot of refugees occurring. And so she went to the washroom and she was gone an alarmingly
00:12:50long time. Like, what are you, 58 with a phone? Anyway, that's another story that has nothing to
00:12:55do with anyone at the table. But, and then she just came back and she said, is it okay if I don't
00:12:59return? I'm like, absolutely. I don't know about it. But she doesn't even mind a bad movie if you
00:13:06can make fun of it. But this was appalling to her. And again, out of the mouth of babes, right?
00:13:12The wisdom of the young. So this is why she declined to participate and she would just only
00:13:17be able to talk about it before she left. So the married couples, so the guy, the silver haired guy
00:13:22has on the wall, the chalkboard, right? And he's the patriarch. He's the one who is competent
00:13:27enough to build this megalith mansion, cellar, all this stuff, like all this big pepper thing.
00:13:34But-
00:13:34And he's got the greenhouse and he's got, here's the people, here's the calories. He's got the
00:13:39math, right? He's got the math. And he's like, and then there's a problem with the potato. No,
00:13:43the grain, the grain gets broken into some pair. And this is of course the big night.
00:13:46The rats, yeah.
00:13:47Like I felt my bladder squeeze when I saw that scene, ancestral memories. No, rats getting in.
00:13:53If the rats get into the grain, you're dead. This is why the domesticated cats and all,
00:13:58like you cannot, because you can't, like you eat it, you die. You don't eat it, you starve.
00:14:03So I'm like, oh God. So anyway, he's got this whole chart on the wall about all the calories
00:14:09and he's like, we can't make it. And his wife is just like, my God is bigger than math. Was it
00:14:14something like that?
00:14:14And that's it verbatim.
00:14:16My God is bigger than your silly math. And it's like, so there was this guy who turned out to be
00:14:22like off his meds and crazy. And it's like, still not that crazy though. Still not as crazy as the
00:14:27women who were like, we can bring everyone in because outside the gate, right? It's kind of
00:14:32funny, right? There's this gate to this whole compound, the homestead, where they keep it
00:14:35locked and all these refugees piling up who want stuff, right? Even friends of the guy inside,
00:14:39right? But on the back, there are no gates whatsoever. There's no gates. And people just
00:14:45walk right, the fence is down. Remember the guys who walk over the fence and there's like,
00:14:48no trespassing. So everyone apparently just waits at the gates and starves to death rather
00:14:53than go around the side where you can get in with no problems. So anyway, I just found that
00:14:59strange, but true. So the women are just, so the men are like, here's what we need to survive.
00:15:05And the women are like, no, because miracle, faith and feelings. And it's like, and that
00:15:11tension is interesting, right? And so on, but none of the marriages are happy and none of the
00:15:17people, none of the men are respected. Can you think of one time when a man was respected?
00:15:22Well, between the two, no, no. It's math. God made math. God made human beings so that you need a
00:15:31certain amount of calories in order to survive. How does feeling, you know, estrogen does not
00:15:38remake reality. Although I guess it does in the modern world, but that to me was just appalling.
00:15:42I had no sympathy for any of the married couples whatsoever. Now, one of the women was like,
00:15:47we have to let the refugees in because feelings, right?
00:15:50Literally they're calling, and these are like their local neighbors and friends who are at
00:15:55the gates, the men that have counseled, like we're not letting them in, not happening. Okay.
00:15:59And then they literally call them the refugees and then they're literally letting the refugees in.
00:16:05Well, there's a real contradiction in the morals, right? So do you remember at the beginning,
00:16:09the woman is leaving in the Tesla or whatever. It's a Tesla, some electric car, right?
00:16:14Yeah. It's some kind of electric car, but it's not a Cybertruck. I don't care. Those
00:16:18things are seriously cool. They appeal to my Lego brain. So she's leaving in the Tesla
00:16:25and the Tesla is running out of power, right? And I was a bit jaw dropped at this,
00:16:31but I thought it was very cool and I thought this would really pay off, right? So she decides to
00:16:36steal a man's regular car, a man's gas car, right?
00:16:41Yeah.
00:16:41A Cadillac? No, an internal combustion, something like that. So some guy's in,
00:16:48I guess he leaves his keys in the car, which is stupid, right? If you're fleeing and it's
00:16:53like a lawless situation, you don't leave your keys in the car. Anyway, excuse me,
00:16:58for the convenience of the plot, he leaves his keys in the car. So she sneaks her children
00:17:03into his car and steals his car, drives away from the car with him hanging off the window,
00:17:09screaming, like, why not take him with you?
00:17:13Oh, well, maybe he would want to go somewhere else.
00:17:16So he could be going to pick up his kids because it was a big car. So it wasn't just his car.
00:17:20And then do you invite that conflict? No, you don't.
00:17:23But she's willing to kill the guy because I thought it's very easy when you're hanging
00:17:27onto the side of the car, you fall and you get driven over by the car and you die, right? It's
00:17:31not like there are any hospitals that are functioning in this environment, right?
00:17:34So she's willing to kill a guy and steal his property and condemn him to death because now
00:17:39he's out in the middle of nowhere, because this was a gas station or whatever it was in the middle
00:17:43of nowhere. So he's in the middle of nowhere. He's got no car. They did throw his wallet out
00:17:48of the window, if I remember rightly, or something like that, right? But regardless, it's not like
00:17:52his money or ID is going to do him any good, right? So she is willing to kill a guy and steal
00:17:57his car to save his family. Save her family.
00:18:00Sorry, save her family. Thank you for that correction. To save her family, she's willing
00:18:05to kill a guy because she's driving with him, hanging off the side. He's that desperate,
00:18:10because he knows he's dead, right? He's dead. Who's going to take it, right? He's got nothing,
00:18:15right? So he's only- He had a wild look to him, unkempt hair, that kind of thing.
00:18:18Well, yeah, they had to kind of say that, right? But she's basically, she's either going to kill
00:18:23him directly by driving over him, which I thought was going to happen, or he's just got nowhere to
00:18:29go, he's in the middle of nowhere, and he's got no food, no water, nothing of value, and he's
00:18:35going to just die out there, right? So she's willing to kill a guy to save her family, but
00:18:41later, all the refugees have to come in. So she's willing to sacrifice other people to save her
00:18:47family, which I understand, that's genetic in-group preference, that's biology 101. She's
00:18:51willing to kill a guy to save her family directly, drive over him, leave him to starve, but she'll
00:18:57let everyone else, she wants everyone else to come into the compound, despite the fact that
00:19:01it's going to kill her family. This makes no sense. Implicitly, because she supports the other
00:19:05woman's choice to do that. She's not the one that makes the decision, but she supports the other
00:19:09woman. Yeah. She's not fighting with the other woman and saying, listen, I killed a guy to get
00:19:14my family here. I didn't do that so you could invite everyone in. I wouldn't even invite that
00:19:18guy into my van, his van that I stole. His van. And sorry, wasn't it, tell me if I may have this
00:19:25wrong. So the silver-haired guy, it was his wife who was driving out of the, who stole the van?
00:19:32No, no, no. It was not the silver-haired guy's wife who stole the van.
00:19:35It was his sister?
00:19:36The sister. Oh, his sister. So the silver guy is the patriarch of the homestead, his wife is the
00:19:42matriarch, and she's the one that's like, let some refugees in. She's always on the homestead,
00:19:46she stays here, and throughout the whole movie, she never leaves. It's her sister that's coming
00:19:50in the Tesla.
00:19:50Is it? Oh, yeah. Okay.
00:19:51Okay.
00:19:52Got it.
00:19:52It was some relation.
00:19:54But the sister is not saying, you cannot let, listen, I've got blood on my hands,
00:19:57I killed a guy to save my family, you can't let these refugees in because we don't have the food,
00:20:01right? So that drove me just nuts, that contradiction. And so let's move to the
00:20:10army couple, right? That they were two ex-military, right? So they have a son,
00:20:15they have two sons, and then the girl that they adopted, right?
00:20:18Mm-hmm.
00:20:18Yeah.
00:20:19The girl who-
00:20:19Some sort of foster-
00:20:20Yeah, some sort of foster situation.
00:20:21She has some kind of terrible history or something like that, abuse or something like that.
00:20:25So they're two soldiers. Apparently, although they're both soldiers, their son knows nothing
00:20:30about guns because he's only gone hunting once. The guy is a soldier of fortune obsessed guy who
00:20:35is still a hired security killer guy, but his son knows absolutely nothing about any kind of
00:20:41weaponry. So the son says, I want to go and guard, I want to go and guard the perimeter,
00:20:48right? Because I want to contribute, right? And the dad says, yeah. And the mom says,
00:20:54no, not my baby.
00:20:56Absolutely not. It's all the other young men who have to go and risk their lives, but not
00:21:01my child. So again, your child should be kept safe from this, but other people should suffer,
00:21:08right? And I don't remember what her view was of the refugee situation,
00:21:11but I don't think she was super positive about it.
00:21:13She... What I remember is one situation where the homestead owner's wife was going to the front gate
00:21:24with the food. She was going to give food. It was like one of the first times that happens. It
00:21:28happened several times. It was like the rotting food that they're going to throw away and they
00:21:31had to throw away, which the homestead owner is like, well, actually, we can't throw any stuff
00:21:36or anything away. But what you do if the food is going to go bad, so I didn't drop it, you eat it
00:21:42and maybe it makes you five pounds heavier, but you need that. Your body is storing the food.
00:21:48You are a fridge, right? Sorry, I mean to look at you directly. I look in the mirror. No,
00:21:53you are a fridge, right? The reason we gain fat is so that we can safely store calories for when
00:21:58we need it later. Like you remember that Scottish guy who lost like 200 pounds just by eating
00:22:02vitamins over 18 months? He's just eating his own ass every day, right? Cannibalism. So the fact
00:22:09that the food is going bad does not mean you throw it out. It means you feed everyone up
00:22:13so they can store the calories in their waist or their butt or wherever, right?
00:22:17Bibs. And then you eat it later, right? That's what the fat is for, but sorry, go ahead.
00:22:22Yeah. So it's what I recall. Excuse me. Whatever.
00:22:26Now, you know, if this was a movie, you'd be dead in the next scene, right? Oh no,
00:22:29a character has coughed. That must mean nobody coughs by accident.
00:22:32And then I'd be like, oh, look at my hand. And I'd hide it from the whole planet.
00:22:38Yeah. And then you'd go out and do something heroic knowing you were going to die.
00:22:40Yeah, yeah, exactly.
00:22:41Clint Eastwood style. So go ahead. You will get to your point.
00:22:45Eventually, whether it's by hook or by crook. Oh my goodness. All right. Yeah, exactly.
00:22:54So we're just going to put James in a bubble boy outfit or maybe just put a condom over his head.
00:22:59Oh my God.
00:23:01And this was the beginning of the pandemic movie.
00:23:03Yeah, yeah. So I was going to say, I remember the army wife was like,
00:23:08looking at her like, are you sure this is okay? But not like fighting her.
00:23:11Yeah. And there's none of the females disagree with anyone except their husbands.
00:23:17So yeah. So she's like, not my boy. And it's like, but it's a military situation.
00:23:24Now they should of course have trained their boy, right? The fact that it didn't,
00:23:27it's just for dramatic potential. So then there's this completely wildly unrealistic scene for me
00:23:33where the boy ends up shooting a guy, right? And now you say he's a boy, what is he 17? He's like,
00:23:40you can legally join the army at 17, I think in the States with parental permission, I think 18
00:23:44without. So he's of army age, he's got army parents and so on. But they sent him up to guard
00:23:52the perimeter with another guy who knows nothing.
00:23:54Another young man.
00:23:55Who knows nothing. Who knows so little that the guy who's only gone hunting once,
00:24:00which means he may have shot a gun once or twice.
00:24:02He's the one.
00:24:03He's the one with the gun. So they send two completely inexperienced people to guard the
00:24:07perimeter, even though they're military. That makes absolutely no sense. They would send someone
00:24:12experienced up at least for the first two to a couple of times, right? So that you don't have
00:24:16the kid doing this, right? So anyway, they completely retarded send two complete noobs up
00:24:22there with, by the way, a malfunctioning microphone, megaphone and say, well, the batteries are low,
00:24:27man. It's like, but they're military. You would check that first.
00:24:30Prepare for that.
00:24:31Because that's essential because you need to warn people to get off your property. So they
00:24:35send two complete noobs up with a malfunctioning megaphone, which is completely like the military,
00:24:45competent military people would never let that happen, like in a million years, right?
00:24:49And then there's these two chunky guys come up and one of them, they're trying to figure out
00:24:53what's glinting up on the hill, right? And you said it's obviously a blind. And what was it?
00:24:58No, I said it's obviously a hunting blind. So you've got guys, they're-
00:25:01A berm, I think he called it.
00:25:02Right, they're a berm, not a hunting blind. If you're out there in the woods,
00:25:07if you're out there hunting ostensibly like these guys-
00:25:09Nothing reflects in the woods.
00:25:10Well, there's that. And you know what a hunting berm is.
00:25:14Right. These guys look like hunters, well-fed hunters,
00:25:17competent hunters, hunters with lots of winter ass.
00:25:20They're definitely carbohydrate American.
00:25:21They are. So these guys come up and they're trying to see what's glinting up there by
00:25:28looking through their rifle sight, which is, okay, if it is somebody who's up there with a gun,
00:25:34pointing a gun at them is the bad idea.
00:25:37Here's the thing. Let's say I am in that shoot, I look up and why am I looking through my scope?
00:25:43Okay. But let's say I am looking through my scope because as a hunter or a man who knows guns,
00:25:47I'm aware that you point your gun when you're ready to blow whatever it is in front of it away.
00:25:53You don't use it as a sight aid.
00:25:55Yeah. And so, okay, let's say these guys are just incompetent or negligent, whatever.
00:26:00He's there for a good two or three minutes pointing his gun up and using the scope and
00:26:04staring at this thing. A, you recognize it as a hunting blind. B, once you've got reflections
00:26:10coming off, you're like, oh, that's binoculars. Someone's watching me. Or what you really do in
00:26:16your mind is you say like, oh, someone is pointing a gun at me.
00:26:19Right.
00:26:20Because it's the glint of the scope. And oh, I'm pointing a gun at them. Holy,
00:26:24you know, if you stop, you point down, you point away.
00:26:27Now, we don't know exactly how far these men were. And I know this sounds like detail oriented,
00:26:31but for me, it's really, really important because the logic of the story is really
00:26:33important because this was a pivotal moment, right?
00:26:36So why don't the men say, hello?
00:26:39Hello, anyone up there?
00:26:41Right. The hunter guys.
00:26:43He does yell. One of them does yell at some point. Like, whoa, what is that?
00:26:47Hello. Because after they do the warning shot. From my recall, he does.
00:26:50Okay. So, but you would do that ahead of time, right?
00:26:53You would do that ahead of time.
00:26:54Hello, anyone up there?
00:26:55Yes.
00:26:56We come in peace, you know, because you've got weapons and it's a lawless
00:26:59society, right? So you would know that, right?
00:27:02But it doesn't take far before you would really need the megaphone. Like I, from what I...
00:27:07We were discussing this last night. So yeah, go over that logic.
00:27:09From what I've shot at, it was my buddy's rain.
00:27:13Mall. Sorry.
00:27:15No, I'm pretty sure that it was a hundred yards and it was at least 80 yards, what we were
00:27:20planking. And even at that range, that's, you've still got to account for bullet drop and all
00:27:26that. And you like, you go...
00:27:27And that's in a wind free environment.
00:27:29Relatively wind free because there's berms on the side, but it's still like, it's enough
00:27:32distance even there that you boom. And then you hear, you know, it's far enough away.
00:27:38The sound takes a moment to come back.
00:27:39Right. Well, it takes a... Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so to my mind, they could have been a
00:27:45couple of hundred feet away. If that, and you would still...
00:27:47You can call in a couple of... You can yell in a couple of hundred feet.
00:27:51If you focus, if there's not a lot going on...
00:27:53That's the problem, you cup your hands, you just give... You would try, right?
00:27:55Well, I think they could have, but even then, like from that distance, like you can yell.
00:28:00And if someone were yelling to my mind from what I was shooting at, I would have heard like...
00:28:05No, I get that. But at least you would establish that there was a human being up there.
00:28:08Totally agree.
00:28:09They didn't even know what it was, right? So you yell something, you may not get the words,
00:28:12but you get... If two people cup their hands, because you had two guys up there,
00:28:15two guys cup their hands and yell down the hill, you're going to hear. Or if it's far
00:28:20enough that you can't possibly hear the odds of that kid making that shot drop to zero effectively.
00:28:25Fair, fair. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:28:26So either they were close enough that you can yell, or they're so far that the only
00:28:32possible way you can make any kind of sound that reaches them is with a megaphone, in which case
00:28:36they won't probably even hear the words, they'll just hear... If they're far enough away that
00:28:41yelling doesn't do any good, then the odds of a guy who's gone hunting once hitting a guy square
00:28:47in the chest from a thousand yards, I mean, that's like lethal weapon, like a one guy in a thousand
00:28:53could have made that shot. That's just crazy, right? And even though you were saying you got
00:28:58your laser sights, you got all this, that... And you would have to account for bullet drop.
00:29:04Bullet drop and wind. The trees were blown.
00:29:07Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, yeah, that's fair. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's fair.
00:29:12No, that's a difficult shot for a brand new...
00:29:16It's a virtually impossible shot. Come on, how much would you bet on a guy
00:29:20hitting a target this big from a thousand feet when he'd never shot that kind of gun before,
00:29:26and he had almost no experience shooting, and the other guy didn't know what he was doing,
00:29:29otherwise he would have said, you take the shot, you're the expert gun guy.
00:29:32Now that I think about it, when I was making those shots, my buddy was spotting for me,
00:29:35and when I missed, he'd be like, you're up, right a little...
00:29:39That's what they call it. That's what they do for... They call it, right?
00:29:41So in this one, the kid hits him first try.
00:29:44First try.
00:29:45Yeah, yeah.
00:29:46Also, they know... They're seeing the berm, and then he does a warning shot.
00:29:53Yeah.
00:29:54He does a shot over their heads, right? So you're looking up, something's splinting,
00:29:57these guys are hunters, right? And then there's a warning shot. So why are they standing... Why
00:30:02is he standing there still splinting up at his gun?
00:30:04For a minute, he's pointing this gun.
00:30:06Right, even though there's a warning shot, they don't like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
00:30:09You know, we're hands-off weapons, we turn around, you know, we slowly... Like,
00:30:15whatever, or stop pointing the gun at the place where you've received a warning shot.
00:30:21It was so contrived. It's contrived to traumatize the kid, right?
00:30:27Yeah, the hunters were absolutely idiots, because when they got that warning shot,
00:30:32it was like, did someone get a mark on it? Like, did someone shoot an animal?
00:30:39Like, when they were saying, I remember even them saying, like, hello up there,
00:30:42like shouting.
00:30:43Yeah, yeah. It was all completely contrived.
00:30:45Yeah.
00:30:45And then the young man who shoots the hunter is traumatized for, like, the rest of the movie.
00:30:52However, the mom who steals the van, almost drives over the guy and leaves him to certain death,
00:30:59is totally fine. Totally fine. Come on, wouldn't that haunt you a little? You stole a guy's car,
00:31:05condemned him to certain death, almost drove over him.
00:31:08And as you mentioned, nobody's got family somewhere else that they're, like, lamenting
00:31:13in the absence of.
00:31:15So the purpose of good art is not to say, here's how people should act,
00:31:19or wouldn't it be cool if they did this? That's superhero garbage, right?
00:31:22It's comic book Saturday morning.
00:31:23It's to put, and you guys talked about this sort of comic book AI dialogue, and it was terrible.
00:31:27So what you do is you say, okay, so these are people who've got, they're Christians,
00:31:32right? They're family oriented. They have grandparents, they have aunts, they have
00:31:38uncles, cousins, siblings, and so on, right? And they have fled a city, they have no idea
00:31:47what's happened to their extended family, they don't know if they're alive or dead,
00:31:50they can't call anyone, they can't get any information, and everyone's totally fine.
00:31:54And the only people they're worried about are the refugees, not what the heck has happened to my
00:31:59family. I mean, I would be tormented. I'm not even close to my family of origin,
00:32:03but I'd still be kind of tormented about, you know, what would happen to you guys?
00:32:06What would happen to my friends? What would happen to... I would not be like,
00:32:11well, I guess we're in this new world now, let's flirt and let's have fun.
00:32:15And if you are in that place, you don't give a fuck about the refugees.
00:32:20Why would you care more about the refugees? Nobody ever said what's happened to our
00:32:23grandparents. Nobody ever said what's happened to my aunt and uncle. Nobody ever said,
00:32:27I can't believe we don't know what happened to my sister-in-law or anything, right? Nobody.
00:32:31I mean, they're willing to risk death to go back and get a dog, but they don't care about
00:32:35their extended family. There's not one little bit. And this young woman.
00:32:39The daughter?
00:32:40Oh, the daughter.
00:32:41Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:32:42Oh, the daughter. Oh, the transplant trunk, transplant kid. Okay. So she's just fun and
00:32:48chatty and flirty and happy. And let me tell you all about peach wine. And let me do this.
00:32:54And it's just like the entire world has just been destroyed.
00:32:57Yeah.
00:32:58She was more upset about not being asked out to the prom
00:33:01than the death of her entire civilization. Like that's schizo. That's beyond bizarre.
00:33:06That's like, there's no humanity in any of the writing in any. And the actor should have been
00:33:10like, no, I'm not going to be like giggly, chatty tween girl. Because the entire world has just been
00:33:16destroyed. Remember at the beginning when I was really upset because I hadn't been asked to the
00:33:20prom. I went to the prom, but I hadn't been asked to the prom. It was really upsetting for me.
00:33:24How is it that I'm so upset about not going to the prom, but then when the entire civilization
00:33:29gets destroyed and I'll never go to a prom again, I'm totally fine and chatty and happy and giggly.
00:33:34Right. Right. Yeah.
00:33:36Oh my God.
00:33:36That was pretty off putting.
00:33:37Oh my God. I don't mean to root for radiation. I really feel that that's wrong. That is just,
00:33:43that feels fundamentally wrong to me. And I don't mean to, I hope that the refugees end
00:33:48up eating them. That also feels wrong. And I rebel against that morally, but I,
00:33:52I have a twinge because, oh my God. Oh my God. And the nobility of the woman who's just like,
00:33:59and the music, she lets the refugees in, right?
00:34:02Right.
00:34:02And whose wife was that?
00:34:04That was the patriarch's wife. She was the matriarch.
00:34:08She's the matriarch.
00:34:08Of the homestead.
00:34:09Oh my gosh. So she lets all the refugees in and they're all thankful to her and she's walking
00:34:14and she's so proud and the music is swelling and, oh, right.
00:34:17That night I realized I had the love of me all along.
00:34:20Or something like that.
00:34:22You can eat love. You can eat love. What you do is you open the chest and you fry up the heart.
00:34:27Anyway. So this virtue signaling, we're going to find a way and blah, blah, blah, right?
00:34:35There's something about this, it really, really pisses me off. It's so corrupting. Sorry,
00:34:41losing the thread a bit here. Okay. No, no, it's this virtue signal without any reference to some
00:34:46kind of objective, corrective, universal morality, moral system. Is there something more evil,
00:34:52more destructive? I'm really getting to a place where some Christianity without UPB is harmful.
00:34:59Well, or at least without the Christian injunction that the man is the head of the household,
00:35:03right? Because this is Angela Merkel right there, right? We're going to let millions of people in,
00:35:09we'll find a way, we'll figure it out, right? Which basically means that if there's a lot
00:35:13of conflict, the men are going to get called up. But anyway, so this, I'm heart swelling in love
00:35:19and I'm taking the immediate gratification of everyone thanking me with no plan about how it's
00:35:24going to work. That is absolutely appalling. And she does this. So the silver haired patriarch guy,
00:35:31by the way, this drives me crazy too. So just before we get to that, so he hires these soldier
00:35:37of fortune guys to come with machine guns to protect his entire homestead and his family.
00:35:42And he's like, well, I don't really want to use anti-violence. A FEMA is going to come and
00:35:47everything's going to be just fine. Like, then why are you hiring all of these people with machine
00:35:52guns to protect your family if you think there's no one to protect them from? That was more just
00:35:57unrealistic, unrealistic. Another thing that was really disappointing about the movie. I'm like,
00:36:02okay, we're going to get that real right wing, more conservative, more libertarian perspective.
00:36:08And these people were just like California conservatives. They were milquetoast. They were
00:36:13caricatures, caricatures of a conservative. So the patriarch guy, the guy who's in charge of
00:36:20the homestead, he gets shot. And there's, you know, not particularly important to see,
00:36:28but he gets shot and he is in a coma for 10 days. Now his wife knows for an absolute fact
00:36:34that he does not want these gates opened. And the refugees let in because they've lost
00:36:40some significant portion of the grain to the rats or whatever got into the grain depository,
00:36:45right? Repository. So she knows for an absolute fact that he believes, and he's got the math.
00:36:52She doesn't argue with the math. She just says that math is unreal. And I can't believe that
00:36:57the other guy is considered crazy. The guy off his meds, this is more off the meds, right?
00:37:00So she knows for an absolute fact that the man who funded, controlled, created, and is in charge of
00:37:07this whole homestead, he absolutely forbids her from letting the refugees in. He gets shot,
00:37:14he's in a coma, and that's when she does it. That is so jaw-droppingly a violation of the
00:37:21marital vow. Not even the obey thing, just basic, like, Oh, he's almost dead. Great. I'll disobey
00:37:29him. I'll go against the marital vows. Like that is so jaw-droppingly horrifying. I can't even tell
00:37:35you. I can't even tell you. That's worse than having an affair, right? What would you think
00:37:41of a woman? What would you think of a woman whose husband forbids her from having an affair,
00:37:46and then he's shot and in a coma, and she goes and bangs the guy?
00:37:50Vile.
00:37:51It's beyond vile. Well, he could die because they don't know he's coming back, right? So now that
00:37:57my husband is shot and dying, I'm going to go let the refugees in. I'm jaw-dropped. And then he
00:38:04wakes up and she's like, I trust you. Like, which means that his God is not God. His God is not
00:38:10math. His God is not reality. His God is not survival. His God is his wife. The female worship
00:38:15that is in modern Christianity, and of course it is in the modern left, right, which is worships
00:38:20the single female, right? Absolutely.
00:38:22So this gynocentric female worship where women can do whatever the hell makes them feel good,
00:38:26and men have to figure out how to make it work is absolutely astonishing. Oh, you don't have
00:38:31to have babies. We'll figure something out. Or you can all go work for the government. We can
00:38:37have massive debt. You can have endless abortions. The fat nurse that finger-wags at the military man
00:38:42for having his son on the front line and the son shooting the guy. She's like, oh, she starts
00:38:48dressing him down. This murder, murder, murder, like wisdom pops up out of chunky woman.
00:38:55You're murdering the food. You're murdering other people.
00:38:59I remember now that-
00:39:00No, no, pause on that for a second. Because that woman, who was like, she doesn't know
00:39:03the circumstances. She does not know the circumstances. She just straight up calls the
00:39:08kid to his face, a child. She straight up calls him a murderer with having no thought to the
00:39:14circumstances. And then they're like, get that kid out of here because the little psychic girl
00:39:19wanders in, right? And it's like, whose child is this? If I had a kid who was, first of all,
00:39:24he was obeying orders, the kid who shot, the young man who shot. He phones his dad, the military guy
00:39:30and says, there's a guy pointing a gun at me. He's not backing down. I fired a warner shot.
00:39:34He's still pointing his gun at me. And the father says, shoot, right?
00:39:38He yells, screams over and over, shoot.
00:39:41Shoot. Take the shot. With his 20 plus years of military experience. And then this absolute witch
00:39:47of a nurse calls the kid a murderer because she saw the guy die and she feels upset.
00:39:54She's upset. And why anyone blamed the kid is beyond me. He was taking orders from his
00:39:59military father with 20 years of experience who put him up there. And if somebody with 20 years
00:40:05of experience tells me what to do, I'm going to do it. Seriously. I mean, if I'm going hunting
00:40:14and there's some guy who's got way more experience than I have, right? And he says,
00:40:17don't take the shot. I think there are people out there. I'm not going to take the shot.
00:40:22Right. Of course not. I mean, my doctor has 20 years plus, I don't have any medical training.
00:40:27So if my doctor says do X, Y, and Z, well, then I'll Google and not do it.
00:40:35Talk with me about this, guys. As a man, don't you have a bit of a martial spirit?
00:40:39Like I hate the state. I would never join the military. But if I were in that situation,
00:40:43I understand the imperative of following orders.
00:40:49He was trying to save his son's life because the son had fired a warning shot and some guy was
00:40:54still pointing a gun at him, a sniper rifle, because it had a scope, right? I mean, that's
00:40:59a hunting rifle, but with a kind of sniper scope, right? So anybody who points a gun at you and does
00:41:06not retreat when you fire a warning shot, I assume is considered imminent danger. So he was yelling
00:41:11at the son to shoot because he thought the other guy was about to shoot his son. I can understand
00:41:15that, but sorry, go ahead. No, no, I totally agree. I'm saying there's an instinct for this.
00:41:19There's a masculine martial instinct for this kind of a situation. You follow the order. You continue.
00:41:26Well, especially because your dad is an expert and your dad has literally been hired as a military.
00:41:31Biological connection. Your dad is telling you to shoot.
00:41:33Dad is telling you to shoot, yeah. Your dad is telling you, do not waste all the time I spent
00:41:37raising you by getting shot, right? And also, if you get shot, I've got to go out and hunt the guy
00:41:41that puts me at risk, which puts the rest of the family at risk. And this guy's dying anyway. Either
00:41:45way, this guy's going down. Yeah, if he shoots you, I'm going to have to go kill him anyway,
00:41:48because I'm a soldier of fortune guy and it's a lawless society and we've gone back to Hatfield
00:41:52versus McCoy's, right? And nobody, I mean, this wouldn't happen in this movie, but nobody said,
00:41:57whoa, whoa, whoa, you're calling him a murderer? What if it was this little boy? My boy was on the
00:42:02table bleeding out, right? Right, right. If I didn't give the order to shoot or he hesitated
00:42:09and he was shot, don't get out of here. Is it your son? Yeah, but that's sad because maybe
00:42:15that's the only argument that would work. You need to make it personal rather than principle.
00:42:19But the fact that this woman, the nurse, and thank you for bringing that up,
00:42:23the fact that she said he's a murderer, this is straight up murder, but knowing nothing about the
00:42:26circumstances and the fact that none of the men said, you are absolutely awful, we're putting you
00:42:32outside the gates. Right, you are a liability. You have now traumatized this kid for life by now
00:42:38implanting the idea that he's a murderer in his head, right? Like you have bypassed the chain of
00:42:43command parental authority, right? You are now calling this kid a murderer, which is incredibly
00:42:48scarring psychologically. I mean, I think he was more scarred by the nurse than even shooting
00:42:51because if his dad had said, look, it was him or you, man. And the thing is too, after the other
00:42:58guy flees, right? After his friend gets shot, right? So he's willing to run, but not with the
00:43:04warning shot. I mean, come on, right? So they don't know if the guy was going to shoot the kid
00:43:09because he dies, right? So the guy didn't live and say, no, we had no intention. I was just trying
00:43:16to figure out who was up there. So there's absolutely no indication that the kid was not
00:43:22in mortal danger. There was every indication that he was in mortal danger. And as far as I
00:43:26understand it, this is the rules engagement. If you're a cop and someone's pointing a gun at you,
00:43:30you shoot them. A warning shot, it's really nice. Sorry.
00:43:34No, no. This is the example that supposedly right-wing conservative men, a lot of them
00:43:38out there will be giving their kids as like a decent moral value, moral system, moral movie.
00:43:44All right. And the men in this are eunuch cuck subs to the women.
00:43:48Oh, it's awful.
00:43:49And this is the example that a lot of quote unquote right-wing or conservative or non-leftist
00:43:56culture has for their children. They're saying the evil Hollywood movie, but I was counting out
00:44:02all of these, like, no, this is the same old Hollywood bullshit. So I remember where I was
00:44:06going with that, with the lack of skepticism for government. All right. So you have these operators.
00:44:14All right. Yeah, yeah. So you have these operators.
00:44:16What are operators? Okay. An operator is, how can I, what would you call?
00:44:20It's a masculine geek term for like a real soldier. Like he's an operator. He knows what
00:44:25he's got.
00:44:25A soldier of fortune guy. A top G with a gun.
00:44:27Not soldier of fortune. Like they've done time in the U.S. military and yeah,
00:44:31they'll work private stuff. But like, these are true super superior soldiers.
00:44:36What do you mean they've not done time in the military?
00:44:38No, they have done. That's what I'm saying. No, they've said specifically they have done
00:44:42time in the military. I mean, then they may work contract stuff, but they're also like
00:44:46bread and butter Americans and stuff.
00:44:48Okay. So the soldier of fortune stuff is just that they're not paid to be security guys after,
00:44:53but they're like, they're really experienced soldiers.
00:44:55Oh, no, no. They are paid to do private security. These guys will go off like Blackwater. They'll
00:44:59go off there. Those are operators. A lot of them. All right. All right. So the call comes
00:45:04in on the radio as they're fleeing. All right. There's a nuke hit. And then all of a sudden
00:45:08it's like, oh, we're trying to figure out what's going on. Like, oh, Russia's hacked.
00:45:11Anybody like in that situation, any real man operating this, he'd be like, well, it's more
00:45:16like most likely our government more than anyone else. Like they're going to laugh at the idea.
00:45:19That it's some external thing.
00:45:21It was Russia, right? They're not going to take it as like, that's the truth.
00:45:25Right. Right. Right.
00:45:26You know, like don't kiss my... Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like it's just as likely and especially
00:45:29in reality, it's just as likely to be our own fucking three letter agencies.
00:45:34Yeah. So I was just kind of appalled at just the sentimentality and the syrupiness and all of this
00:45:42and the programming of basically the whole thing was it's happy wife, happy life, but with guns.
00:45:47And the matriarch, the gray haired man.
00:45:50The matriarch? The patriarch.
00:45:51Sorry. Well, he was.
00:45:54Do not misgender Mr. Silver Fox.
00:45:55Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:45:57I have blue eyes, rule.
00:45:58No, in him, this guy, who's the one who was competent enough to go out into the marketplace
00:46:02and earn all the money to build this mega, you know...
00:46:04And forethought enough to hire the machine gun and soldier.
00:46:07And he's like, FEMA's going to come get us. Of course, we're all good. Like, no, bullshit.
00:46:12Anyway, this homestead situation is filled with people who are skeptical of our government or
00:46:17government in general and know that it's like, from their perspective...
00:46:20Post-violations, who's going to believe FEMA, right?
00:46:22A necessary, they will call it at least a necessary evil, you know, and like,
00:46:27no, there's just, it's unrealistic. It's unrealistic.
00:46:31Now, and we know this for a simple biological evolutionary fact, that the only way that
00:46:37we evolved and survived, particularly as Northern climate people, whether it's sort of the East
00:46:42Asians up in Siberia or the Europeans in Northern Europe, is that the only way that we survived
00:46:48is to not let the refugees in, in situations of emergency winter food rationing, right?
00:46:55So, for a simple fact, we evolved and listen, the fact that the women have their hearts out
00:47:00there on their sleeves and care about the world, I think it's wonderful. I mean, of course, the
00:47:04caring that is designed for 10 children, unfortunately gets focused on often one or
00:47:09two children, which, you know, is one of the helicopter over-mothering stuff.
00:47:12But the fact that women care about outsiders is great. I think it's really nice because it
00:47:17means that they can embrace people into the community, they can, you know, and they care
00:47:21about strangers down the road, they'll make them food and come visit them. I think that's lovely.
00:47:24Outdoor preference, like, not to the enemy tribe, obviously, but outdoor preference is
00:47:29part of how we build communities because, you know, men are a little bit solitary, right?
00:47:33We're a little bit of, like, basement futon and Xbox, right? So, the fact that the women have this
00:47:40empathy is great. I have no problem with it. And we know that I can't complain about anything to
00:47:45do with female nature because women plus men got us to the top of the food chain and the only
00:47:50brilliant species in the universe that's cognitively able to process concepts and have these
00:47:55kinds of conversations. This was a team effort for men and women. So, I'm not going to fault
00:47:59any female instincts or any male instincts, but we do know for a simple fact, biologically,
00:48:04mathematically, calorie-wise, that the men had to override female sympathy in order for their
00:48:09families to survive in a time of scarcity. And that is absolutely known, that is an evolutionary
00:48:14fact, it could not have gone any other way. Because when the women's sympathies overrode the
00:48:19male math, the family died off, the community died off, right? And so, men saying we can't,
00:48:26and women saying we want to, that the men had to override that. And that's great. And the fact
00:48:32that the women sometimes override the men and say, we need to be more community-oriented.
00:48:37I mean, everyone who's married and his wife is part of the community says, so-and-so is having
00:48:42a birthday, so-and-so is having a christening, we have to remember such and such, we can't go over
00:48:46there without food, like, they're very communal-minded. And I think it's beautiful, it
00:48:50really is. Not the way my brain works, but it's great. And I defer to, my wife is very communal
00:48:56minded, when we have people over, I mean, she works for days ahead of time, she gets everything
00:49:01ready, we had people over at Christmas, and it was like a beautiful time. And it wasn't,
00:49:06if I'd be like, hey, I had some potato chips, that's just not how I work, right?
00:49:11But so, the community-minded stuff is great. And it needs to be overridden by male math.
00:49:17The male isolation side is great for hunting and war, but it needs to be overridden by female
00:49:23community thing, community area, right? And that's virtue. Like, we went out last night,
00:49:27and what did my wife say to me about my pants? Change them. Change them.
00:49:33I wasn't present for that conversation.
00:49:34No, no, because I'm wearing my usual highfalutin gym shorts. And my wife was like, no,
00:49:41if it doesn't have belt loops, you're not leaving the house, right? She's right about that. She's
00:49:45right about that. So, having the women override in terms of community is great. Having men override
00:49:50in terms of scarcity is essential, right? And it was all just one way. It was all just
00:49:56the women rule, the women rule, and the men just have to figure it out. And that is female worship,
00:50:01and that is a blasphemy. That is a false idol, the worship of women rather than the worship of God
00:50:06and reality.
00:50:07Amen. Well, no, I'll have this stuff, like, it is a recipe for the devil. Like, that's how the
00:50:11devil's going to get in and corrupt things.
00:50:13Oh, you've seen that meme of like, God says there's only one rule, and then you see a picture
00:50:18of a woman naked with an apple in her mouth. So, yes, and men are programmed to defer to women
00:50:25because women historically have chosen who they mate with, and a lot of men didn't mate. So,
00:50:29we're programmed to defer to women, and there's nothing wrong with that. Again,
00:50:32I can't complain about any evolution that got us to this table with this technology.
00:50:36But to defer to women relentlessly as a form of worship is provoking and producing the sin
00:50:45of vanity. And you saw this. So, what happened was, the women are all like,
00:50:49a miracle will save us, a miracle will save us. I don't believe in math, I believe in miracles,
00:50:53right? And then there was this very contrived thing afterwards, which we don't really get into
00:50:57about how they could survive even with the refugees, although we don't know that for sure,
00:51:01about how to grow potatoes by baking the bread at night in the greenhouse.
00:51:03All these brilliant people didn't think of all these simple things, but the refugees
00:51:06knew how to solve that problem.
00:51:08No, there's a guy who knows how to make fireplaces. Anyway, so,
00:51:11so, this worship of the female, and you can really see this in Christian communities,
00:51:17and not just Christian, in the left as well, the worship of the female, and the exhoriation of the
00:51:21male, it is devilish. In the same way that you wouldn't want, obviously, some fascist regime
00:51:26where only the men are worshipped, the women are used as breeding cattle, like the women are
00:51:29denigrated and the men are worshipped. You don't want that either. You need that balance.
00:51:33You are feverishly typing.
00:51:35I'm taking notes. I just want to lose it because I'll lose stuff.
00:51:38Yeah.
00:51:39All right. So, now, you were making the case about how we as Europeans, the survival situation,
00:51:43yada, yada, yada. I was just kidding it. This is also why we moralize. This is also why we-
00:51:49Morality is based on scarcity.
00:51:50Well, no, that, yes, I agree with that. But though, this is also why,
00:51:54in the times of relative peace, we were, you shouldn't be doing this. You should stop smoking.
00:51:58You should eat this. You should go work out. You should, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
00:52:00so that whenever the time comes, and you've made this case on the show before, it's like,
00:52:04brother, I spoke. I said something. Where the hell were you? Sorry, you're at the end of the gate,
00:52:09and you're not coming in, but I told you. I gave you plenty of heads up. I told you to buy Bitcoin,
00:52:16or not tell you to, but I made the case.
00:52:18I said Bitcoin was quite important like 12 years ago.
00:52:21Yeah. And it's like, and where the hell were you when I was speaking? So, I am now guilt-free.
00:52:25My conscience is completely clean, and that's also, I would make the case why women in that
00:52:29time of relative peace, it's a virtue. It's a positive thing for them to be charitable,
00:52:33and community, and all that stuff, so that if that time arrives, and when it does, you say,
00:52:39hey, the reason you got fat on your sides right now was because of me back then.
00:52:43Right.
00:52:44So, burn that to take care of your own ass.
00:52:46Right. Also, keeping, like handing out food to the refugees keeps the refugees at the gates.
00:52:53Rather than saying, there's nothing for you here.
00:52:55Uh-huh.
00:52:56You need, and the guy said, remember the guy said, what did the guy say to the bald guy?
00:52:59Go find a farm.
00:53:00Go find a farm and wait this out. Like, waiting at the gates is not gonna work.
00:53:04And the only reason they waited at the gates was they kept getting food,
00:53:07and that traps them in a situation that's completely unsustainable.
00:53:10Yes.
00:53:10Uh-huh.
00:53:10Because they did talk about winter coming. I guess it was up in the Rockies or whatever.
00:53:13So, the winter was gonna come, but they're gonna freeze to death at the state.
00:53:16Other thing, minor continuity thing, but it drives me crazy. First of all,
00:53:19I had no idea how much time was passing until the end of the movie,
00:53:22when it said 30 days, and the guy had been in a coma.
00:53:25For 10.
00:53:26For 10. So, all of this happened in three weeks.
00:53:29Yeah.
00:53:30Come on. Come on. Like, that's crazy, right? All of this stuff happening in three weeks.
00:53:35Like, my kids are still, I guess you can start in three weeks, right? But here's the thing,
00:53:39and as a bald guy, this drives me a little crazy, right? And it's a minor point,
00:53:43but it's the detail that matters, right? So, the guy's out in front, there's a guy with a shaved
00:53:48head, right? And a beard. So, he's not got alopecia, or he's not in chemo or something,
00:53:52right? So, he can grow hair, and his head remains perfectly shaved throughout the entire movie,
00:53:58throughout an entire month.
00:53:59Into the world, but, you know, you're gonna get those clippers, keep them charged,
00:54:02and run them every night.
00:54:03Well, we are starving to death, kids, but daddy's gotta go and bick his head.
00:54:06Right.
00:54:07Like, that just makes, and nobody grew a beard, like, oh, so they're all just,
00:54:11you know, we gotta, I mean, it's the end of the world, man, but you gotta stay shaved.
00:54:15Yeah.
00:54:15I mean, isn't that kind of the first thing you wouldn't worry about?
00:54:19And the ones that did have beards, particularly military again, they're all like,
00:54:22perfectly, like, you know,
00:54:23Perfectly shaved.
00:54:23Coiffed, coiffed, like, the third year of the coiffed, I know that's not the word for it.
00:54:26Right.
00:54:27Nobody can come in except you, the barber. Okay, you can come in, because we gotta stay groomed,
00:54:32right?
00:54:33There's a salon right next to the med bay.
00:54:35Right.
00:54:35That's what it was.
00:54:36Yeah.
00:54:36So, that bothered me, because an overemphasis on grooming in a post-apocalyptic scenario,
00:54:44it's a bit gynocentric as well. I'm gotta stay pretty for the women, you know? It's like,
00:54:48what are you, like, Dancing Boys in Afghanistan? Like, this is terrible.
00:54:51Yeah.
00:54:52It's just those little bits of continuity, right? It just drove me crazy. It means they
00:54:56really hadn't thought things through as far as how everything was gonna, those little details,
00:55:00it was really distracting for me, because I'm looking at that guy like,
00:55:03why is he still as close shaved? It's been, I thought it had been months, right?
00:55:06Right.
00:55:06So, it turns out in some weird, maybe they were traveling near the speed of light,
00:55:10some weird time compression thing, it'd only been a couple of weeks, but those little details
00:55:14really mattered to me. It's like, it's like the guys in the Middle Ages with their perfectly
00:55:17trimmed hair and beards, it's like, you didn't have that back then, right? So, it just, you know,
00:55:22give me the full-on bush beard, right? All right. Did we cover, I mean, I think we covered most of
00:55:28it, but I think we covered most of everything here. I cleverly didn't take notes, but I think
00:55:32we got most of everything. No, I think we got most of everything.
00:55:39So, I haven't thought here, like, if you were on the left and you saw the rise of the right
00:55:44and you wanted to capitalize on that, this is the movie you would make.
00:55:48I think there is a certain amount of, and you talked about this after the movie,
00:55:53Jared, and I think it was a really good point. There's a certain amount of
00:55:56conscious marketing.
00:55:57Oh, the whole thing was a commercial. It was a constant.
00:55:59Like, we're going to be about the tough guys facing down scarcity and post-apocalyptic and
00:56:04we don't need no government and all of that. And I was interested in that as a cultural
00:56:09phenomenon. I wouldn't agree with all of that, but I was interested in that as a cultural
00:56:13phenomenon, but it turned into the same old treacly, gynocentric wishes, feelings over
00:56:18reality, wishes over faith in God.
00:56:20Maybe I'm being too harsh, but like the work of the devil, like, this is how you corrupt
00:56:23morality. This is how you corrupt the fight between good and evil, this kind of thing.
00:56:26It did seem kind of cynical. And it did seem like,
00:56:32I mean, this is why for me, the novel, The Present was so important for me to write,
00:56:36was I really wanted to write about men's needs, men's preferences and male authority, right? I
00:56:42mean, the novel is basically about Oliver having authority in the realm of morality and reality and
00:56:48Rachel coming around. Rachel submits to, she escapes vanity, she submits to authority. Now,
00:56:54the authority happens to be somewhat personified in Oliver, but I view men because we generally
00:57:01have to deal more with objective reality than women do. And women generally go into professions
00:57:05that are persons and feelings based, nothing wrong with that. But we men are supposed to
00:57:10deliver some of the principles of objective reality to women, and women are supposed to
00:57:14deliver some of the principles of relationships to men. And that's a great exchange, right?
00:57:18I'll bring you objective reality, you bring me a community. Men suck at building community,
00:57:24but women are obviously not quite as objective because they're dealing with the feelings and
00:57:27the people more, right? And again, this is just a trend. It could be 51-49, but it's still a trend.
00:57:32So I think that's a great deal. But all it is, is about provoking women's unreal psychosis
00:57:39by saying you can act entirely based on vanity and feelings. And the woman who opened the gates,
00:57:44ah, the angel, the sunbeams hitting her, I'm full of love. And it's like, but there's no plan here,
00:57:49right? So it's provoking the vanity of women and the vanity of women to overcome rules and have
00:57:55men pay the consequences is kind of the story of Adam and Eve, right? Just one rule, right?
00:57:59Just one rule. And of course, you know, what can men say when there's a naked woman offering them
00:58:04fruit, right? So men's job is to deliver some aspects of this more empirical reality to women,
00:58:12and women's job is to deliver more of the relationships to men, because relationships
00:58:16are what make the world worthwhile. But in order to have relationships, people actually have to
00:58:20survive in reality, right? So this combination is a really great yin and yang of men and women.
00:58:27And this was just entirely on the female side. Entirely, like, women can basically kill a guy
00:58:34and never worry about it again. One guy takes direct orders from a military expert, and he's
00:58:39traumatized for life. And the only way he can be saved is with a woman who's completely psycho,
00:58:44giggling about the end of the world in a green house.
00:58:46Richard Averbeck And praying for him, she prayed for him.
00:58:48Peter The praying is just a wish that men will fix it somehow, right? So this worship of the
00:58:56feelings, this worship of fantasy, and this elevation of women to, because the women let
00:59:02all the refugees in, and then the men figured out how to fix it, right? Which is to say that,
00:59:06well, women just have to have faith, but men actually have to solve the problem,
00:59:09is it says that men can never disagree with or oppose women's feelings. And that is absolutely,
00:59:16completely, and totally toxic. In the same way, it would be that men can, that women can never,
00:59:20ever oppose men's, quote, objectivity, right? Because men can say quite,
00:59:25we deal with tangible, empirical, material reality, right? So we're friends, right?
00:59:30Does the friendship exist in tangible, empirical, material reality? No. The relationship doesn't
00:59:35exist in reality, right? It exists because we're here talking across the table, and we like chatting,
00:59:41and we enjoy each other's company, and we've worked together and all of that and done some
00:59:44great things in the world. But tangible, material, empirical reality, no, does not exist. So women
00:59:51have to remind us that the stuff that doesn't, quote, exist is really, really important.
00:59:55And we have to remind women that the stuff that does exist is also really important, like math,
00:59:58and food, and grain, and hunting, and danger, and enemies, and murderers. So, yeah, that this,
01:00:05for women to bring the unreal to men is great, because that reminds us of the importance of
01:00:09relationships. For men to bring the real to women is also important, because then we get to not just
01:00:12be friends, but also live. Because the relationship doesn't exist in the future if we don't have enough
01:00:16food. So in the movie, they do say, and this, you know, this, my love will heal the world woman
01:00:22says something along the lines of, like, we are the world. No, there's some lines from the movie,
01:00:27you know. The, what'd she say? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. We survive, but we gotta, like,
01:00:34life has to be worth living. Yeah. And that's totally right. I absolutely agree. But it's,
01:00:40that message has been so, like, viciously created, malicious. For meaning to exist,
01:00:47life has to be sustainable. For life to be meaningful, relationships have to be valuable.
01:00:51I totally get that. And that's, we give the relationships to the women, and they give the
01:00:55material objective stuff to us, to some degree, right? But we have to respect each other's
01:01:00expertise in this realm. And I'm really, really sick and tired of all of this culture that says,
01:01:05all we have to do is worship women, and everything will be great. That is corrupt to beyond. And it
01:01:09does, it is demonic, and to your point, in that it provokes female vanity, that all I have to do is
01:01:14feel and wish and act. And I just have to wait until my husband is shot, and that I can do the
01:01:18exact opposite of what he's told is necessary to survive. That's demonic.
01:01:22Sorry, this might be too much of a tangent.
01:01:23If you want to get your way, get your husband shot.
01:01:26This might be too much of a tangent, but imagine the power trip, if you're this kind of, like,
01:01:30corporate plastic-wrapped Christian woman, that you've married God, but not in, like,
01:01:38the virtuous sense, but, like, you're getting orders from God directly. Like, imagine the
01:01:43female power trip.
01:01:44It turns women into the mystery religion cultists, right? In that, you know, you can't talk to God,
01:01:49you can only talk to me. And this is why, when the woman says, I had faith, and the man says,
01:01:54I believe in you, right? He's saying, you are the pipeline to all that is true and good,
01:02:00I can't talk to God directly. What if God was telling him to keep the refugees out because
01:02:04he wants the people who prepared to survive, right?
01:02:06Good grief.
01:02:07Right? He can't talk to God directly, he can only access God through his wife.
01:02:12And that is absolutely, that's the exact opposite of Christianity.
01:02:16That's darkness.
01:02:17Right? I mean, what is the Garden of Eden is, well, you access Satan through Eve, right? And
01:02:22so, this idea that the women are the holders of the mystery religion, and they just have to feel
01:02:27and wish, and all men can do is trail after them and make their wishes come true, absolutely
01:02:32demonic and wretched for the kid.
01:02:34Yeah, Angel Studios owes some...
01:02:37Hey, this more than cancels out Sound of Freedom for me. This is, yeah, it's pretty dark,
01:02:42and nobody seems to be...
01:02:43They've got something to make up for and apologize for, my opinion.
01:02:46I just, you know, can you imagine that if the woman had been shot and the man disobeyed her,
01:02:53and she said, after she woke up from being shot, and she realized that he'd completely
01:02:59betrayed their marriage, said, I worship you. If the woman had said to the man, I worship you,
01:03:04after he did something terrible to her, while she was shot, and she woke up and said, I worship
01:03:10you. I mean, that would be considered psycho. That would be like a codependent in the extreme
01:03:15abusive relationship, that he utterly betrayed her while she was shot and dying, and he cared
01:03:21more about the refugees than her. Like, you sit by your bed and help your husband lives rather
01:03:26than go out. And so, if the woman had been shot and the man had completely betrayed her,
01:03:31and then she woke up and said, I just worship you, that would be psycho. That would be so
01:03:36unhealthy.
01:03:36He went out and got all the refugees driven away or shot.
01:03:39Right!
01:03:40You know, from the get-go.
01:03:40Right!
01:03:41You know, and the fences he broke, all the fencing, the non-fenced area around the property,
01:03:47razor wires, you got guard towers, you know, everything else, and everybody's been trained.
01:03:50Yep.
01:03:51You know, it's like they went a whole hog into, we're going to make this,
01:03:54this has to be a fortress because, you know, my wife just got shot.
01:03:57I have heard it implicitly.
01:03:58That would be more survivalist, right?
01:04:00No, I get it. I get it.
01:04:01That would be the closest I could think of a betrayal of her in that context.
01:04:06Right.
01:04:07Yep.
01:04:08If he had betrayed her in the most foundational way, and she, while she was shot, and then she
01:04:12woke up and said, I just worship you, that would be psycho. She wouldn't be angry. She wouldn't be
01:04:16upset. She would just become, the religion would be him. And that would be, I don't know, some
01:04:20bizarre far-right fascist fantasy of abs and peaked calves. I don't know. It's just too
01:04:27strange for words. So.
01:04:28All right.
01:04:29Anything else that we wanted to add at the end?
01:04:31Well, you know, it's been so much fun tearing this apart. I do appreciate
01:04:34that aspect of it. It's been rather cathartic.
01:04:38It was costly, man. It was costly. I don't often feel my bladder visibly contract
01:04:44in the course of a moobit. I'm like, I mean, I don't often order
01:04:47popcorn, but I would have needed the bag. I felt I needed the bag near the end.
01:04:51And I think there's something optimistic and celebratory in the fact that for the moment,
01:04:56the left seems to be taking a big cultural correction and you've got time and breath to.
01:05:03Yeah, the vampires sleep during the day.
01:05:04Yeah, but I'm with you. But for the moment, we have the time and breath to critique the false
01:05:09right or the, you know, the.
01:05:11It's the woke right. It's just the woke right to me.
01:05:13This is the joke right. This is terrible.
01:05:16So, okay. Happy New Year to everyone because this is our last show of 2024.
01:05:22We're ringing it out with a testosterone-laced ranty bang.
01:05:26So, that's excellent. And we will, of course, see everyone on the flip side of the new year.
01:05:30And thank you, everyone, for next year is going to be the 20th year.
01:05:36Yeah. No.
01:05:36Next year, because I first published in 2005 on Lew Rockwell.
01:05:43Lew Rockwell was my very first. It was the State of the Society, an examination of alternatives.
01:05:48It was my first essay and it was 2005. So, next year is 20 years
01:05:54of pure, unbridled, straight-to-the-veins philosophy with only a few minor holdbacks.
01:06:01So, yes, it has been an incredible ride. We've got a lot to celebrate next year.
01:06:05Still, north of the grave is always a good thing.
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01:06:22is there anything? So, Izzy, sorry, just as we end up here.
01:06:26Oh, I heard you guys for the last half hour.
01:06:28So, Izzy, we did give you a great sorrow as to why you weren't part of the movie review.
01:06:36No, sit here.
01:06:36Yes, yes. Oh, okay, okay.
01:06:38So, Izzy, you had some thoughts, I think, if I remember right.
01:06:42Yeah. So, I walked out, basically. No, actually, I took a very slow walk out because I did not want
01:06:51to take my time. So, I did a very evil thing. I snuck a drink into the theater,
01:06:58and no one noticed, it's all I'm going to say, but I drank the drink, and I had to use the bathroom.
01:07:04Yeah, Izzy's like, I need to go to the bathroom. I'm like, yeah, right.
01:07:07This was a huge theater. Genuinely, there were so many different venues or whatever
01:07:12the heck they're called where you could see the movies, like the actual theaters.
01:07:16So, it's a big building. There were like four different bathrooms.
01:07:21I went to the one at the entrance, and we were at the very end,
01:07:24like the opposite end, because I was like, let me out.
01:07:28So, Izzy, sorry, the joke I made earlier was the movie was about people fleeing a bomb,
01:07:32and then you actually acted out the movie by fleeing a bomb.
01:07:35I literally did. And I'm standing, after I wash my hands and everything, I'm just standing there,
01:07:41and I'm like, do I have to go back? So, I go back, and I'm like, look, what if I'm being
01:07:48rude, and I have to like, what if everyone else likes the movie, and I'm just being rude?
01:07:55And you've never walked out of a movie before.
01:07:57Why not? I really wanted to.
01:07:59Oh, yeah, yeah. But you've never actually have.
01:08:02I think you're right.
01:08:04You're normally fairly patient?
01:08:06No, I'm not. No, I'm not.
01:08:07No, no, no. In terms of like, you will stick it out.
01:08:10I will stick it out, because again, the thing is like, if everyone else likes it,
01:08:13I don't want to be the rude one who just leaves.
01:08:15Spoils it for everyone.
01:08:16Yeah. So, I was just like, I was really thinking that I'm like, nah, this is really bad.
01:08:21So, I walk, and I'm like, can I leave? And you're like, yeah.
01:08:25Yeah, go.
01:08:26I'm like, okay. So, out I go.
01:08:28And also, I mean, I was still at the point where I thought the movie was redeemable.
01:08:32I didn't.
01:08:33So, tell me, when did you first start to feel alarmed?
01:08:37Beginning.
01:08:38No, no, no. What do you mean?
01:08:40Beginning.
01:08:40Like, what?
01:08:41First scene. It was like right-
01:08:43The kids. There's a girl trying to plan a date in the hallway.
01:08:47That is not the first scene.
01:08:49What was the first scene? Oh, the first scene was the South Americans or whatever with the bomb.
01:08:54Because it was like, nothing made sense. How did you even get that?
01:08:59And like, look, I don't mean, obviously, I was like, okay, you know what,
01:09:02maybe this will get explained. I just had a gut feeling none of it was going to get explained.
01:09:07Maybe it did sometime after I left. I don't know. I just didn't think it was going to happen.
01:09:11And then after, when she was trying to plan a date, I thought it was too cliched.
01:09:16Like, the video game, the shallow girl, the TV addict, and then the fitness mom with her greens.
01:09:23And maybe that was supposed to be a joke, but this was not a comedy movie.
01:09:27It's a post-apocalyptic movie with, like, nuclear weapons and war.
01:09:32And it's not supposed to be funny. And it's not supposed to be a bunch of cliches.
01:09:36Now, I could have seen it being an interesting story arc if they gave all the cliched characters
01:09:42their own story arc or character arc with, like, the bomb.
01:09:46And they took all these kind of annoying stereotypes and turned them into, like,
01:09:50someone with depth when they all had to go into, like, the shelters or whatever,
01:09:55the homestead, right? That could have been interesting.
01:09:58Personally, I didn't see it happening. I also didn't think any of the actors were any good.
01:10:03You really hated the acting of this.
01:10:04Hated the acting of this.
01:10:06Oh, do you know what it was that you hated is?
01:10:08They genuinely did not. Nothing felt real.
01:10:11I think a big thing, a big problem for me is the... where's my brain?
01:10:15A big problem for me is when they do music, too much music takes away from the acting.
01:10:23It's like...
01:10:24You're subbing the music for the feeling.
01:10:26Yeah. And there's no feel... when we're sitting here, there's no dramatic cinema movie.
01:10:32Like, no, there isn't. We're just here yapping.
01:10:34Like the gopher churning.
01:10:36It was like in a lot of horror movies, they'll kill it all or they'll kill all the suspense
01:10:40by putting in music. And it's just not creepy. You know what conveys a lot more than music,
01:10:45in my opinion, is silence. Because I think silence, it relies upon the atmosphere and
01:10:52the characters to make the emotion, not just sad piano or happy violin or whatever, right?
01:10:57Right, right.
01:10:58So that was my big problem. And then after that, I felt like a lot of cliches, just like,
01:11:04here's a bunch of far right dudes who are chads and super manly mans.
01:11:09No, and the problem with you is that, I mean, other than the far right stuff,
01:11:14that's your lived experience with Jared and James and I. It's just the manly soldier of 14.
01:11:21No, it's just I felt like I was watching some debate on Twitter. And it's one of those
01:11:26talk shows where they're all kind of annoying. And like, all the people who are like,
01:11:32yeah, I'm a chad, but not like Andrew Tate, who can be kind of funny, but also not great at the
01:11:37same time. But like, the people who are trying to be cheap copies of guys like him or whatever,
01:11:43or who are all like, I don't know, it's just it's a type of...
01:11:45I'm gonna order my son to shoot a guy and never talk about it with him again.
01:11:49No, but it's just... Oh, is that another thing?
01:11:52You never see how a leftist makes a meme of a gun or an image of a gun and they
01:11:57completely don't understand how guns work. And like the entire bullet is coming out of
01:12:00the chamber. It's like that. It's like they're caricatures of people they really don't understand.
01:12:06This felt like they were all caricatures of just a bunch of those Republican dudes on Twitter.
01:12:14There was another thread episode with threads that were raised and not followed,
01:12:18and maybe it shows up in the series. I was kind of surprised that it basically was a
01:12:21preview for a series. Hey guys, it's really important that no one pulls out their phone in
01:12:24a theater. As we're going to be told 20 times halfway through the previews, but please pull
01:12:29out your phone and scan the QR code. I didn't actually see that. I was reading about it online.
01:12:33So there's this guy named Christian. Now, if there's a movie about Christians and there's
01:12:39a guy named Christian, I'm going to expect layers of whatever, right? Analogies and metaphors.
01:12:44So he's kind of a preppy looking dude. Oh, the creepy guy?
01:12:48Yeah, the creepy guy, right? You were just despawning, I think at this point,
01:12:53disintegrating. I was there when he let the government agent in, which was really dumb.
01:13:00Oh, you're right. Did you guys not talk about this?
01:13:04There's so much to cover, but yeah, we can talk about this.
01:13:07You know what? I'm going to cover it all. Trash. Don't watch it. Trash. All right, we're done.
01:13:14So yeah, because we didn't even know if he was a government agent. He was just some guy coming in
01:13:18to threaten like crazy, right? No paperwork, no data. He's just some guy coming in and threatening
01:13:23them, right? Why is this assistant kid letting him into the house, letting him into the property?
01:13:27I don't know, because he claims to be authority, right? And that was an interesting question.
01:13:31What is authority? Who pays my check is the authority for them, like in any real world.
01:13:35In this kind of situation, the authority is the people who have the guns.
01:13:38Well, that's generally true in most situations. But hang on. So the guy who's Christian,
01:13:43the preppy looking creepy dude, right? So I thought this was going to be a whole Judas
01:13:47story time, although why you'd call the Judas Christian is not right. Because he comes in and
01:13:51he's like, he's like weirdly fondling the ammo in the back of the-
01:13:55I honestly wasn't looking for that. I think it was on my phone, but-
01:13:58Yes, and you were saying, when can I leave?
01:14:01Yeah, I was just like venting.
01:14:02No, so he was in there and he was like half like caressing the weaponry, the bullets, right?
01:14:09Maybe he doesn't sound like a Christian.
01:14:10Out of an odd concern, it's like, hmm, what is all this?
01:14:13Right, right. And then the soldier guy is like, you got a problem or is there anything wrong?
01:14:17Or he's like, no, no, I'm just oily guy. I'm just slippery dude, right?
01:14:24This creepy guy is like fondling all the ammo and then he never shows up again in the rest
01:14:28of the movie. I don't understand what this was all about.
01:14:30No, dad, that's for the series.
01:14:33You're right. Oh, there was so much of it was just a plastic product.
01:14:38They just wanted a series.
01:14:40Very exciting. All right. Now, is there anything else that anyone wants to add?
01:14:44I just want to mention that I'm pretty sure I've heard you guys try to end the show like
01:14:47three or four times.
01:14:48It often happens. It happens in my own mind. My life streams are only planned to be three minutes.
01:14:51Well, I've secretly covered everything and then, oh, and then there's this! No, I'm kidding.
01:14:56It's like one of my stories, except this will, in fact, end.
01:15:00So the whole worship woman thing was sort of previewed,
01:15:04with the hug in the trail, with the guy, and we did talk, we just sort of mentioned this earlier,
01:15:10where the military guy who ordered his son to take the shot never talks to his very,
01:15:15very green son about having just killed a man.
01:15:17Yep. I mean, he says, it changes a man.
01:15:20Yeah. I'm not going to talk to him.
01:15:22Like I changed a napkin.
01:15:24It's the same old Hollywood trope that men are incompetent, emotional.
01:15:27Yeah. Sorry, go ahead. Sorry.
01:15:28Yeah. And then, but then he's like, he goes to the girl, magical heart transplant girl,
01:15:33I can't talk to my parents, can I talk to you? And then it's like, you know, I'll pray for you.
01:15:38And then just through her girl, her girly giggles and smiles that he just sort of feels a little
01:15:41better. I can't talk to my parents. I can only come to the really attractive girl in the middle
01:15:47of the night and cry because that's who I met. Oh, come on, man. I mean, like, that's a move.
01:15:53I mean, come on. Of course. And of course, in the highly Christian community,
01:15:57the two young people, the whole school girl just went into my bedroom at night.
01:16:01Yes. Come in her room. Oh no. Come sit on my bed in the middle of the night,
01:16:06you hunkasaurus of weepiness. So, so the fact that they're out all night,
01:16:12nobody has any problem with it at all. Anyway.
01:16:16Well, the dad has a problem with it a little bit later.
01:16:18But the thing is, no one's checking up. There's no chaperone. Like how does she disappear?
01:16:23Yeah. So the, the, the man has a problem because he's like, I don't know if the soldier
01:16:26of fortune guy is going to work out in the community. I don't even know what that means.
01:16:31He hired the guy to protect him. The guy's doing a great job of protecting him. It turns out they
01:16:34do need protecting, but he's like, I don't know if we're going to need this protection that I
01:16:38hired and that it's pretty effective and that we totally need. I don't know. So I didn't know what
01:16:42that made sense. I didn't know if that made any sense at all. Like what sense that made.
01:16:46The movie is hard to cover because there's so many things that are just set up without paying off.
01:16:51There's nothing good about it. Like that's the way we cover it.
01:16:54No, there is something good about it, which is this show, which if we go a little longer,
01:16:57it's almost the length of the movie. Something good about it is that it ended.
01:17:01No, I'm legitimately, I'm like, wait, the movie or this show?
01:17:04Yeah. It was so cathartic to, to tear this thing apart. And look, there's a lot of cultural
01:17:10stuff in here that needed to be corrected. That is these, these are not the first people that
01:17:14have made this mistake. Like if you want to make a non-leftist movie, not even right wing,
01:17:19if you want to make a non-leftist movie, here's what you need to do. You want to be authentic
01:17:23with this. Anytime you're afraid, if I do this, I'm going to be called this word. Ignore that.
01:17:29If you're afraid of being called the word, ignore it. Ignore that impulse and create
01:17:34the movie you want to create. That would be art.
01:17:38Just show women having an equivalent respect for men that men have for women.
01:17:42That's revolutionary. Like that is, that is so, that, that to me would be traditional. At least
01:17:47ask for mutual respect. Now in traditional Christianity, the man is the head of the
01:17:50household, so he's supposed to get more respect, but just make it equal. And that's just going to
01:17:54be, oh, have the women be wrong? What were the women wrong about? Was, was any woman wrong about
01:17:59anything in this movie? That to me is the wildest thing.
01:18:02Well, but if there, if she was, she was corrected or helped by another woman.
01:18:06Okay. What's an example?
01:18:07Like the mom, like she's trying to call it like, okay, so there's these super ultra mega prepper
01:18:11people who got infinite resources ostensibly, but their daughter who's in another state,
01:18:20now she did have a SEAL escort, but her daughter who's in another state didn't have a satellite
01:18:25phone, but super wise, you know, military army woman knows how to, you know, get off the satellite.
01:18:31She's got a satellite phone and we go, oh, look, we can get it. Oh, thank you so much.
01:18:34And then the daughters were never, she wasn't wrong. She just needed help in, in what, in what
01:18:43was the woman wrong and was corrected by a male? This does not exist in art anymore,
01:18:51except in my novel, the present free domain.com slash books. No. And what is a woman wrong?
01:18:57Who is corrected by a male in that movie? And what is a woman wrong where she's even corrected
01:19:03by a woman? Not wrong. Like I need some help contacting my daughter. That's just a technical
01:19:08thing, right? In what has a woman made a significant mistake and is corrected by anyone?
01:19:13Can women be corrected or be wrong? I picked the wrong nail polish color
01:19:18and was corrected by another woman. Or a gay man. It's hard to tell nowadays.
01:19:27No, that that's too revolutionary for words. Cause you know, there's this trope in the
01:19:31commercials that women are always wise and smart and the men are always idiots, right? Like
01:19:34this, this appeal to female vanity is completely pathological and it makes women
01:19:40unbearable in relationships because they can't conceive of being incorrect about anything,
01:19:44which means you really can't have much impact on them. Right. Right. It's just a one-way street
01:19:49of a gynocentric enslavement to absolute perfection and the God called woman that
01:19:53you have to worship and can't contradict. It's, I think it's, it's, it makes women progress.
01:19:59Because as this appeal to female vanity has increased over the last 50 or 60 years,
01:20:02women have got progressively more and more and more unhappy because vanity and, and megalomania
01:20:09and narcissistic perfection is not a state of happiness. It's not a state of able to be loved.
01:20:14It's a state of offering commands and getting enraged at anyone who disagrees with you,
01:20:18which is kind of where culture is. And it just makes a man who is endlessly praised and deferred
01:20:22to goes crazy. It's actually sabotage and an assault upon femininity to make them always
01:20:27perfect and always right and can't be contradicted. It is, it is growing a truly demonic seed of
01:20:33vanity and isolation, right? Because we, we correct each other all the time, right? I mean,
01:20:36that's part of being in relationships, right? And if you immune stack, you can't be in a
01:20:41relationship and you can't be happy. You can't be loved. And taking away relationships from
01:20:45women in particular by appealing to their vanity and the sense of being perfect takes away from
01:20:50women what they generally treasure the most, which is connection and relationships. Take
01:20:54relationships away from men. We still have technology. We have TVs. I still have a smart
01:21:03market, but, but no, I mean, it's bad to take it away from men, but it's, I think slightly worse,
01:21:08even more so to take it away from women because women live to connect and to be in relationships
01:21:14and to be in love. And that's really, really important for men and for women, a little bit
01:21:17more important for women taking that away through vanity is just absolutely sabotaging women's
01:21:22happiness. And we can see this in the data. Women are more and more unhappy and more and more mental
01:21:26illnesses, more and more antidepressant addiction and so on. And right. I mean, being in a relationship
01:21:33is the best way for women to be happy and provoking their vanity means them, makes them
01:21:38impossible to relate to. So, all right. I think we're done. Fifth time. Come on, let's be kind.
01:21:46I think it's at least eight. Oh, no, no, no. Don't tease us now. Don't tease us now. All right.
01:21:52Anything else? Last going once, going twice. Final word. Don't give them your money. Yeah. Don't,
01:21:56don't give those, don't give these people your money. Yeah. Trust us. Don't go see it.
01:22:00And I pulled, like, I'm waiting for some kind of response, apology from the studio,
01:22:03which won't happen. But yeah, that's your skeleton meme at that point. Yeah. Yeah.
01:22:08It means that nobody, they've lost credit. It means that because you think of the number of
01:22:12people who have to sign off on a movie. Yeah. I mean, this movie probably tens of millions of
01:22:17dollars. You know how much that hurts? Like this went through like a hundred people and not at
01:22:22least a hundred people and not to mention all the actors and not a single one was like, guys,
01:22:27this sucks. And the reason this is to your point, Jared, being called a name. So if they put a scene
01:22:34in, if they put a scene in where a man was wrong and corrected by a woman, nobody has a problem.
01:22:39If they put in a scene in where a woman is wrong and corrected by a man, that's so misogynistic.
01:22:44Are you saying that women need men in order to like, so they're still just running away from the
01:22:48misogyny label, which means it's not real art. Real art has to be willing to risk offense. It
01:22:53has to be willing to show not sacrificing yourself. You could have been a lot edgier than
01:22:58this. We're going to get to that eighth time. You know what? If we keep this going, we can
01:23:06make this show that lasts an entire year. You know what? I'm going to do that. 2025
01:23:11free domain forever. Wait, Izzy's getting closer to the phone. I'm getting closer to the phone.
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