In this episode, we explore the complexities of Clint Eastwood's film "Juror No. 2," delving into its narrative structure and character development. We discuss the rapid progression of the legal drama, noting Eastwood's distinct directing style and the portrayal of the protagonist—a recovering alcoholic navigating a morally ambiguous landscape. Our analysis critiques the film’s tendency to evoke sympathy for flawed characters and raises questions about the possibility of genuine change. We highlight the lack of emotional resonance and character evolution, ultimately expressing frustration with the film's conclusion and philosophical shortcomings. Through our conversation, we invite listeners to reflect on the importance of depth and authenticity in cinematic storytelling.
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00:00Okay, so we've got we are prostitutes at the theater because somebody why we didn't know if we're gonna get paid
00:06But somebody really wanted us to do a review of juror number two, which I was convinced was a sequel
00:12Oh, I just did such a good intro. Oh, sorry. Go ahead
00:18Spotlight freedom aliens we're back at it again with a movie review of
00:24juror number two we are
00:27Yappers, I'm so good at this beautiful. I should really just take over the podcast at this point. We want to rename it to Oh
00:36Divine divine yappers divine yappers. Yeah, so not freedom aliens. You're now divine yappers
00:42freedomaniacs, so the reason that is he's doing the intro is
00:46Jared's wife won without visible cheating. Let's just say that visible cheating. She won at uno
00:53She did a crazy victory dance, that's not
00:57What's the name of that tiny hippo?
01:00What muck bong?
01:02bang
01:02You know the tiny hippo that's all over a social media
01:05I've literally know she did a victory dance involving mukbang or then the tiny hippo that's all over
01:11It was really quite something we should have had that as the intro come to think of it
01:15But anyway, so she decided who did the intro she pointed at Izzy and Izzy pulled from the very depths of her being
01:23language of beauty and perfection
01:25There was swearing. No, I'm right. I just okay
01:28So we we saw the movie Jura number two, which incomprehensibly cost thirty five million million dollars to make and has grossed
01:35So far twenty one point three or something like that. It was skill issue. Yeah
01:41hmm, so directed by Clint Eastwood who's a famous actor from I don't know the 18th century or something at this point the man is
01:49He's a ghoul
01:50He's like what 94 or something?
01:52He's famous for not giving direction
01:54like nobody knows whether they do a good or bad job in a Clint Eastwood movie because he's just like yeah, that's good or
01:59That's a cut or whatever it is, right?
02:01So it is a weird kind of legal drama in so far as normally legal dramas
02:07Like they span the whole time of the movie, but this one the trial was over in like 25 minutes, right?
02:12Well, my question is like what are they gonna do if there's a sequel?
02:16Go on because the title is already number two, right? Right Mambo number five. That's another song
02:23What if they did it out of order the sequel was?
02:25Juror number one and then if they did a third one, they could just some random number juror number 13
02:31Well, there's this whole series in movies back in the 80s and 90s called about this guy dumb guy called Ernest
02:37Okay, so, you know, whatever whatever so juror two goes to jail
02:41Goes to jail
02:43All right, so this movie drove me a little batty
02:48Because it seemed so contrived
02:53so for instance, the the the juror is
02:57Was a raging alcoholic right like seriously insane alcoholic, right?
03:03And but now but now he's a great guy, you know with a loving wife
03:08Who's gonna have a baby now he needed to be an alcoholic for reasons we get into like plot wise
03:14He needed to be an alcoholic
03:15so it kind of drives me nuts when they need someone to be an alcoholic and then they make him the greatest guy in the
03:20Known universe that you totally sympathize with it's like I don't know if you all have known any alcoholics. Ah, I
03:26Mean, but if you've ever known an alcoholic, they're wretched people
03:32Manipulative destructive and even if he's like, well, I've quit. Okay. So how old would we say this guy was is he?
03:3832 32. Okay, so guys been a raging alcoholic probably since his mid-teens, right? So let's say
03:4515 17 years. He's rage. Okay quit a year ago. Was it six? No, I think he was four
03:50He said he was four years before you're tempted. Yeah, as we'll get into okay, so he's four years sober
03:55Okay, so he drank from like I don't know 15 to 28
04:0016 kidding says Izzy who just turned 16 trollery main things. I mean for me, I mean 15, but
04:08Just the rubbing alcohol you can find at home
04:10So mouthwash, so let's say 15 to 28. That's 13 years of rampant raging
04:17Alcoholism right now. That's gonna be somebody with some severe
04:22Psychosocial problems relationship problems. He's not gonna have learned how to deal with his demons
04:27he's not gonna learn how to get this wonderful wife that he gets and all of that like super pretty and and and
04:32Loving and and so how he has to be both the worst guy in the world in that he was a raging
04:38Alcoholic for many years and he also has to be the best guy in the world
04:4263 well
04:49Make the case the counselor good cheekbones good people eyes. Yeah, clean jaw. Yeah, well manicured good hair
04:57Giraffe, yeah
04:59Look, I mean it really doesn't matter what he's done
05:02I've never thought boy. No, but he's six three and clearly rich because that was a nice house
05:08We don't know what he does. Do we? Yes
05:10Oh, sorry. Yeah
05:12Magazine writers make a lot of money ruffs. So you got literally everything in one a bad boy
05:17Who's six three but great hair?
05:19Yeah, the only thing is like I don't think he's ever grown a single beard hair in his life
05:23I think he's strained like he had constipation and managed to pop a few mustache one. Yeah, it was not good
05:31It was not ideal. But all I'm saying is he really doesn't have to be a good person. So
05:36You've got this guy who's a terrible guy who then has to become a wonderful guy because Lord knows people who are
05:42Alcoholics and ex-alcoholics have super big consciences, right? So he's got all of that, right?
05:47that's number one number two the guy who's on trial for murder is a
05:54tattooed
05:56aggressive
05:57violent gangbanger gang drug dealer to children, but
06:02He has to be a great guy too. Yeah, because otherwise you'd be like throw this guy in jail
06:09He's gonna get popped for something. He's already dealt drugs to kids. He deserves to be in jail, but you have to want the bad guy
06:15the guy who's accused to not go to jail and you have to really care for the
06:20Ex-alcoholic that he not go to jail because he's gonna be a dad and it just kind of drove me crazy this opposite stuff is
06:27Just rank it just messes with your head because it reprograms people to think. Oh, yeah
06:31Some guy was an alcoholic for 13 years. He'd be a great dad
06:34Some guy was a did he hit his wife or did the girlfriend or whatever?
06:39I think a woman she actually well in one's one person's telling on it
06:43She hits him, but he never but he's yelling at her and also he seems to sweep that beer
06:47The beer glass off the table there was a certain level testimony was different right he went up
06:53He's like I did this and then when the other lady went up she was like he did that
06:57But when they actually showed the images it was aggressive versus non-aggressive between each one, which was cool. Yes
07:02Yeah, so but he definitely was a thug, right?
07:06He was a criminal a violent guy
07:08But you're supposed to be rooting for him now this rooting for the violent guys is really terrible because what happens is then
07:14People get let out of jail people they don't go to jail and then you know
07:18Like 90% of crimes or 10% of the people just doing it over and over again. Oh, but he's changed. He's a good guy
07:24How full was he okay to not go to jail this year?
07:26Which one the the thug the guy who was on trial he looks more like buff than tall. Does that count?
07:33Yeah, here's the book. Okay, excellent
07:35Maybe if you tattooed nobody it's a to having the sim here
07:39Yeah, this sympathy for the devil stuff drives me crazy
07:41Yeah
07:42Because the if this guy's been a gang as you say gangbanger drug dealer sold drugs to kids cuz and we know that from the black
07:48Jewelry guy, which we'll get to later. But so these guys are terrible terrible human beings, you know alcoholics
07:55He's driven drunk countless times and which is put enormously in children women moms dads everyone at risk
08:01Yep, he's probably when he he was a drug dealer or drug user probably violent with women
08:06He had this absolutely trash relationship with this woman
08:10It was entirely based upon vanity and looks like just an absolutely terrible human being
08:14but you have to root for him because the actor played him like I don't know if he was a complete sociopath is just getting
08:20Up there and like oh, but I've changed and so much better like but they have to play it for sympathy
08:26And so it felt so contrived
08:28Oh and also the the politician with a very strong conscience who just you know
08:34Who's gonna work to overturn her entire legal case that that she's gone through, you know, because of the
08:41Politicians are great people. Yeah, lots of people have a deep hunger for justice
08:46Yeah
08:46Lot lots of DA's who unjustly convict people are often working round-the-clock
08:50To undo if they have even the slightest suspicion like it was just so unreal
08:56In the extreme that it drove me a little little batty. So anyway, that's sort of my my thoughts
09:01But tell me what you guys thinking?
09:03Well, okay. So another thing that food in the vein of what you're sharing there
09:07It's not kind of batty is that both of these people the juror and this mr. Bad guy who's on the stand?
09:13The accused. Yeah, they changed like so the accused and according to the the narrative of the story like ostensibly this is like
09:20Yeah, I was a bad guy, but you know, I've been living a different life, you know, I'm a different man now
09:24Well, cuz he's in prison
09:26But it's for his argument or his case. He's like no he had changed before that. He had been changing
09:31He was dating this woman. He was it was in this trash relationship, but this woman who was so
09:36Immature that she'd walk home in the rain
09:38Rather than have any kind of because she wanted to move it
09:41She he basically had a stalker started drunk, but the woman wanted to move in with him
09:45He was hesitant about it and she was aggressive so aggressive and storms off thumbs him in the chest
09:50So he's in a trash relationship. He goes to prison and he comes out a pure angel
09:55But according to the narrative of the story he was like changed prior to that
09:58He had been saying he wasn't doing the like criminal gangbanger stuff prior that his claim
10:03Ostensibly and I mean that makes sense to tell the stories like you want to sympathize with him to some degree and say like, okay
10:09He's done a lot of horrible things, but he didn't do this
10:12You know, can we prosecute him for this now?
10:15And so, you know, there's this guy who changes for no reason no claim. No, no come to Jesus
10:20No, it's because it's no philosophy. No, I called my you know, my neighborhood philosopher and got some, you know feedback
10:27The same for juror number two
10:28All right
10:29Now there's this this idea that like he may he meets this
10:32Wonderful woman and she gives him a chance and that's his you're like his out to change
10:37But like this is one snap the blonde woman who he had a terrible relationship
10:42I'm talking about the juror. Oh the juror. Okay. Sorry. Yeah juror number two. Yeah ostensibly
10:47He's the same kind of person but we're staying situation where he's a changed man free will and all there's no explanation
10:53There's no like deeper process beyond he meets this woman
10:57She gives him a chance and so he just all the sudden changes it turns his life
11:00so that's what you want to do you want to say to women find a raging alcoholic and
11:05Just give him a chance and he'll be a great guy and give him a baby to him. Oh my god, just wretched
11:11Wretched. Yeah, I'm not sure I had something just now
11:16the thought was something like there's not really a
11:19Person you can identify with as like a decent normal person only by suspending judgment. Oh, yeah. Yeah
11:25Well, yeah taking people at face value like like I can't I can't stick myself in juror number two's shoes
11:29If I think about it for too long because I have to have this history of all this garbage
11:35Behavior behind me. Mm-hmm. You know, it's like you're gonna imagine like well what if I did something unawares and manchu, you know, but I
11:43Am the was the trigger for the what the gun with this guy's accused
11:46Yeah, but that requires all this other stuff to have been true, right and it's like that would never happen to me
11:52So so here and this is so this is the problem and I would never be falsely accused because another guy was a piece of
11:56Trash right? So so this is one of the problem with movies, right?
11:59So and this is true of TV shows too. So in movies and TV shows you see someone commit the crime
12:06Now again prior to video cameras and all this kind of stuff never happened, right?
12:11So so these are all people describing what happened, but you see what happened in the actual movie, right?
12:18You know, it's the juror number two
12:20So just very very briefly this couple of spoilers here
12:22But first sort of very briefly this guy the accused guy has a fight with his trash girlfriend
12:28She storms off and walks home in the dark with no lights. No reflective clothing in the rain, right high heels high heels, right?
12:35So then the her boyfriend goes to find her or the stops heading in that direction
12:41Realizes she's not gonna listen to him turns around and goes home, right?
12:44But then she ends up being found dead on the side of a like falling down a side of a bridge
12:50It overpass or something like an overpass or something like that and it turns out the juror number two
12:54Who's the ex-alcoholic was in the bar tempted because his wife had a miscarriage tempted to drink. He didn't drink
13:00He drove he hit someone or he hit something. He wasn't sure what he stops and checks
13:05He sees a damage on his bumper. He looks around looks over but it's too dark at night to see he sees a deer crossing
13:11Yeah, then he sees a deer crossing sign. It's like oh, I must have hit a deer
13:14that's a shame but whatever right and then he he goes on then he's called to jury duty and he realizes over the course of
13:21The trial the beginning of the trial that it was him who hit this woman not the guy who's being right
13:27So that's sort of the the backstory now we see we see what actually happened that
13:34Does not happen in life as a whole so someone says like let's say there's some some girl right and you date some girl and
13:41Then she says oh my ex he started off. Totally great. Totally normal
13:46We had a great relationship for a couple months
13:48Then he just kind of went nuts became a stalker blah blah blah right now
13:51You don't have in a movie you see what actually happened
13:55But you never have that when people are telling their stories, right if your name is in fact James
14:00So there's this idea that there's this objective view it's almost like the God view right that there's this
14:05Objective you so but you you have no so he says I wasn't drinking
14:11Right. This is why he has to be an alcoholic, right?
14:13So he's got a sponsor Kiefer Sutherland being grim and gravel voice for once in his career
14:19So Kiefer Sutherland is his sponsor in a a and he goes to Keith Kiefer Sutherland says hey, man
14:25I give you a buck your lawyer attorney-client privilege. I think I might hit this
14:29Woman, right. I thought it was a deer came home and he says were you drinking? He says no, I swear to God
14:33I wasn't drinking a bar. Well, yeah, you were at a bar. You ordered a drink
14:38Mm-hmm, and no jury on the world is gonna believe you weren't drinking right because otherwise he would have just said oh my gosh
14:44That was me. I thought I hit a deer blah blah blah, but because you're an alcoholic
14:47You were at a bar. Everyone's gonna assume you were drinking. Yeah now we know that no quote know that he wasn't drinking
14:55Right because the movie shit says that he gets up he doesn't drink right? Yep
15:00But we wouldn't know that in the real world in the real world. You only have what people tell you
15:06Mm-hmm. You don't have God mode looking at the fan
15:09So this is what I mean when I say it was so manipulative, right?
15:12I think it would have been better if they never showed him
15:15Like getting the drink and not doing it. They should have left that up for audience discretion
15:19Did they do that then?
15:21Yeah, we spend all our time arguing did he have the drink or didn't he and then like it we don't get to the what?
15:27Does happen?
15:27well
15:28they don't really care if you think if you spend your time arguing about what does or doesn't happen because at the end they left
15:33Us hanging with arguing about what does or doesn't
15:36If they're gonna do that, I think they should commit to it
15:40They should why is he?
15:42Lock-in. Yeah
15:43So this God mode stuff it took me an embarrassing amount of time in my teens and 20s to realize
15:49That most people just don't tell you the truth about their lives. So this guy's gonna say I didn't drink man
15:55Of course, he's gonna say he's an alcoholic
15:57He's he's there. He's got 13 straight years of pathological lying, which is what alcoholics do
16:03He's he's probably stolen from people. He's gotten into bar fights. He's he's cheated on people. He spread STDs
16:10He's done all these terrible things because he's a raging alcoholic. Mm-hmm
16:13So but but we have this objective God view where we now we we have to sympathize with this guy
16:19Because he said he didn't drink now if he says he's his point if he said he didn't drink, but we didn't know
16:24We would lose sympathy for him. Yeah, right. So that is
16:30This this God mode stuff. I was in a play when I was in theater school called Rashomon
16:34Which is about a husband a newlywed and his wife going through the forest and they get set upon by a bandit, right?
16:40And when the bandit tells the story the husband is begging for his life and pleading and he gets takes off with the woman
16:45right his wife when the husband tells the story he stands down the the
16:49Bandit and beats him up and his wife is like, oh, you're such a hero, right?
16:53And and the wife I can't remember what she does but something heroic she beats up there
16:56So everyone has their own version of the story. We're very tempted by this God mode thing
17:01Right very tempted by the gut mean look at January 6, right?
17:04We got all this video right and people cannot even with all this video thousands of hours of video
17:09People can't say what happened right and people like this is it's a look at the the fine people
17:16How exactly yeah people have it on video and they cannot agree
17:19So even if you have it on video people cannot agree with what happened
17:23None of the stuff that happened that night is on video except for them
17:26Somebody took a video of them at the bar right where the other guy the drink
17:29I thought he was gonna show up in the back
17:32Yeah, but that that didn't happen. So somehow that he was missed in in the bar
17:37Footage and so on right so
17:40Even even if you get God mode people massively disagree. Do you remember Trump was dumping out the koi food?
17:45Yeah, and everyone's like it's so disrespectful
17:48But it was actually the Japanese the Japanese prime minister who did it first and Trump was just following him
17:53But if they cut that out, it looks like he's over feeding the koi silly stuff like that, right?
17:56Yeah, or or me, you know, I mean if you if you've done any kind of public stuff, that's even remotely controversial
18:02You realize that it's so wild to me. Like I was on Twitter the other day looking at this 5.6 million view
18:09People saying like hey, why did Steph got deplatformed?
18:12He seemed pretty milquetoast or whatever right and then people are like he was the best guy ever
18:16He was the worst guy ever, you know
18:18like you can see if you've been at all prominent and at all controversial you realize just how that nobody has
18:24Very few people have any kind of objective view. Yeah of you so except for the positive people
18:30Exactly. Yeah, totally objective. Absolutely
18:32So I I don't like this in in you have to always make your information off incomplete
18:37You have to make your decisions off incomplete information, right?
18:40And so I felt it was very manipulative in that we knew for sure. He didn't drink. Mm-hmm, which I which nobody can know for sure
18:48Right, if he says he didn't drink
18:50I'm why would I believe him? I think his wife barely believed him
18:55Actually you believe them or not she just accepted him he said he didn't right because what other choice does she have like, yeah
19:00Yeah, I mean she's about ready to have his kid. Yeah
19:04Yeah, yeah, but but but in that in that situation like we haven't mentioned this yet
19:09But like with the accident itself, he reported the damage
19:12But he reported a completely different road so that to draw his wife away from realizing that he had been at the bar
19:17Right. Yeah, you know, so he was already lying there
19:21even though
19:22Substantively used to protect his wife, but I mean that's there's always an excuse
19:25Yeah, right. So this idea that we can get to the truth behind what people say
19:30Yeah, I mean, I also know this from listening to my mother and my father talk about their relationship and divorce
19:36It's like it's not even the same planet man. Yeah, not even the same planet
19:40So and there's no there's no video footage and even if there is a video footage people were completely disagree
19:45Like January 6th to say oh, well, they unlocked the doors and let them in. No. No, it was a violent insurrection
19:49It's like well, why would there no weapons? Oh, right
19:51So this idea that we can just look objectively if you have that you wouldn't need to trial
19:57So the trial is because we have incomplete information
19:59But the movie kind of cheats because they give you complete information and that that bothers me a little bit
20:05also, okay, let's get into some of the technicals which is
20:08okay, so this woman was hit by a car when spiraling over the bridge and
20:14Then rains down on rocks and dies right at some point right now
20:20the coroner says
20:22Yeah, that's pretty much like being hit with a blunt instrument. Yeah, not even a bit
20:26Yeah, like I'm no coroner, but that can't but I watched a little bit of psych
20:31Right, like that cannot like it's not it's really not it's not a car being hit by a car
20:38It's not being hit in your head with a blunt instrument. Yeah, right
20:42Well, what did the med student say the med student there's a best student on the jury who looks at the two clavicles have broken
20:48She's like this looks like someone got hit in the back by a very strong force as you like
20:52Oh, yeah car accident and that was battle of the Asian expert. He's not even a coroner. She's third-year med student, right?
20:58So like but she's Asian. Yeah
21:01But so was the car now, wasn't he? Oh, yeah
21:04Little Japan Korea combat Asian cancel it there was a point at some I forget who was talking to the DA
21:12Or maybe was the Defense Council talking to yet the DA the DA elect or whatever
21:16But you should the politician running for office prosecutor. There we go something about the coroner having done five autopsies that day
21:22I don't know if it's a large number or not, but they made it sound large
21:25So like the coroner like skimmed over something in one day. Yeah, if it's an eight-hour workday, that's really not a lot
21:32Well, I guess I guess really considering a possible murder case. Yeah. Yeah
21:36Unless for them if like determining the cause of death is that they were decapitated or something like them. Yeah
21:42Yeah, but even then you'll want to know what weapon did it right like stuff like that
21:45so I didn't believe that the coroner was unable to determine even difference between being hit by a car. Yeah and
21:54Spiraling over a bridge or being like a government. Yeah. Yeah. Well it was right
21:59Yeah, but that did not seem very
22:03But I just know this because I read a lot of books and when they're like a lot of murder mystery kind of things
22:08And whenever there's a murder, I always look up the facts what happens if X happens to a person how long does it take you?
22:16right, like a lot of movies will have it you get shot and like the arm or something and bleed out and
22:24Or you're completely fine the next day and you're lifting stuff. Well, it's either one
22:28It's like you have to lose like five liters of blood or something to actually die or passed out from blood loss. Yeah
22:34Movies are really really inaccurate because of this or movies and shows. I mean and this is a big one
22:40I think they could have done the setup a lot better
22:42Like they could have had they just could have had something done differently
22:46I think with the whole setup for the death that would have made it a lot more believable because for me I get upset over
22:51Technical problems in movies. Yeah a lot of the like emotional and character decisions unless it's
22:57Some of the character decisions made in like the movie avatar is an example where it's really obvious that nobody in their right mind would do
23:04Something that's stupid. Mm-hmm, but in movies like this, it's like yeah, I kind of see why you do this
23:08Yeah, I can kind of see why you do that. But when it comes to technical stuff, there's no yeah, I can kind of see it
23:15It's like either it looks like it or it doesn't either it is or it isn't like when it comes to technical stuff
23:21That's my big nitpick with movies. Okay, that's like the rules of reality in the movie, right?
23:26Yeah, right, yeah
23:28yeah, the premises of
23:31Emotional you can never say nobody would do that because you don't know what's going through their head, right?
23:36Right. Okay, but emotionally there's some stuff that people would never do so
23:41Yeah, but again there can always be some
23:44But you do if you're gonna make an exception you have to make this sort of believable
23:47So come up with a reason you can't just like the main character now. We sort of had this discussion during the movie
23:53What's the responsibility of the writer or the actor or the director?
23:58Yeah
23:58so again
23:59My limited experience directing plays and being in place is that the actor has to be the advocate for the character
24:05So if I was playing the main guy
24:08we realized this took place over how long do we think like a murder trial can be long because the due date was a toy was
24:14October 25th and
24:15He's gets called a jury duty before that, but it doesn't end till well beyond there like there. It's like into I
24:22Would say it's at least a couple of weeks
24:23Yeah, they break they have they have do they go to deliberations or they're still doing a trial and they say Happy Halloween
24:29No, that's deliberations is happily. I believe yeah, so so yeah, right couple of weeks at least
24:33Yeah, probably closer to four to six if it's a complicated murder trial, but at least a couple of weeks, right?
24:38Yeah, so let's just say it's three weeks. So this guy
24:43After a couple of days in the trial, he realizes that he is the one who caused the woman's death
24:48So now he's got murder that he killed or homicide. Let's think it was accidental. He caused her death, but it was not intentional, right?
24:54So he's realized he's taken a life. He's got a wife who's got a poos pregnant and
25:00And then he realizes after he talks to his sponsor that he could be facing 30 years in jail
25:06Or he's got to send an innocent quote innocent drug dealer or whatever to jail, right? Mm-hmm
25:11So you really can't pile more stress on a human being?
25:17And then he's aiming for a mistrial right which means that he can be tried again
25:21Right that the bad guy or the supposed bad guy
25:24So he realizes that the mistrial won't work because his lawyer says to him
25:29Nope, there has to be a conviction or there has to be an acquittal, right? So
25:34It's one or the other so he is gotta convince everyone
25:38To vote the guy guilty
25:40Because he can't get everyone to vote for acquittal, right?
25:43He tries he tries a couple holdouts and then one guy especially just like no matter what I am putting this guy down, right?
25:48You know, I'm certain he did it. So
25:51He's got just about the most stress that you could possibly have on a human being
25:57Assuming he has a conscience. You know, that's important thing, right? Yeah, if he doesn't have a conscience, he'd be like, whew
26:03Thank God, you know
26:04This guy's gonna take the fall not me and I'm gonna say along with my life and never give him another thought cuz that happens
26:09Right, you know criminals or cops sometimes the criminals will frame someone else and they will go on with their lives the criminals
26:16Someone else goes to jail and they're like, well, thank God it not me right and they just go on with their life
26:21So so this guy has a conscience. Otherwise, he wouldn't it would there would be no tension, right?
26:26You're like, oh, thank God. This guy's taking the fall. I'm going back to my family, right?
26:30Well, he wouldn't be puking his guts out the first he wouldn't be puking
26:33So he's a sensitive guy with a conscience facing the fact that he's six three
26:38Okay
26:40Facing the fact that he killed a woman
26:41Facing the fact that he either gonna go to jail for 30 years or he's gonna send a innocent quote innocent man to jail for
26:4730 years that's massive stress over a couple of weeks, right?
26:50right now if he's got a conscience the first thing that's gonna be affected is his sleep and
26:55He just seemed to have this same sort of semi blank Ken Cupid all thing going on throughout the whole movie
27:01Yeah, he was pretty blank face. Yeah
27:05So he
27:07He did have this a little bit blank a little bit monotone and you can say well, that's the director or whatever
27:13But the actor should have been pushing for that and saying look if I put myself in that situation
27:16I'm not sleeping. And if he's not sleeping, he's gonna get erratic. He's gonna directors sociopath. Well, yeah
27:23It's a whole other question, but it was so the the character needed more of an arc. He need to be more writing
27:30Well, that's not all the direction I guess could be like put makeup on or don't well
27:35Just tell him deliver these lines like you're kind of haunted and haggard
27:39So yeah, but he's got doesn't do crap for line delivery. He's just like, yeah
27:42Yeah, he just and there was only one point but he really showed any stress and that's when his wife caught him on something
27:47He can do kind of like a haunted look. Yeah, you know for a moment, but he's like no this
27:53Just like stare. Oh, yeah, you know the parking got right was that moment where he realizes that it could have been him
28:00He played that pretty well trying to keep it together trying to keep that was good
28:04The exact same way he did very decent for that moment
28:06But he that was the same kind of like anytime it was stress or though
28:10They he went right back to that place every time all the time and like Steph said he was never withered
28:16he was never emotionally drained and taken down this point like you see him like
28:21You've got to you lose an HP over time. You lose a constitution point
28:25Yeah, you know because of the loss of sleep now this guy who again raging alcoholic for at least a decade probably more and
28:32Alka alcoholics often use alcohol to deal with stress and anxiety
28:37Right. So a lot of times it's social anxiety. They don't know what to say. They don't know how to be
28:42but
28:44When they drink they're more fun, right?
28:47So or they feel they lose their self-consciousness as well, right?
28:51So the fact that over the course of this absolutely horrible ghastly brutal
28:56Trial where this guy is having his entire life turned upside down and facing 30 years in prison
29:00He never once indicates any desire for a drink
29:03yeah, you think I thought he would go back to the bar and drink or something or something like that, but he had no recurrence of
29:10Temptation even though alcohol is almost always a stress management and it was stress. How is this worse?
29:16Sorry, how is this not nearly as bad as a miscarriage like, okay, obviously
29:22That's depressing and all right, like I'm sorry that sucks, but
29:26They never even existed
29:28Like they were yeah, they never even got born like I'm sorry
29:32I get sad and I guess especially if you've been having problems for a long time
29:35But I can totally get being upset and being sad for some time, right? Yeah, but the prospect of
29:43Leaving the wife and your literal physical child this time. You actually have a baby who's about to be born
29:52Like stillborn unless it's something like that, right
29:54You literally have like it's not gonna be miscarriage at this point and a wife and
30:01You have like your entire life to possibly behind bars for the rest of your life because he said it could be a life sentence
30:07Yeah, and he's like
30:10Hmm. Yeah, this isn't great. Yeah, I guess I'm gonna have to figure something out and he has zero temptation to like
30:18Do anything but no you see a miscarriage is like easily
30:24That's a great great a great point. I hadn't thought of that. That's fantastic
30:28So so this is where to me
30:30I've always been interested in character arcs to me the whole point of a story like if you think of the present, right?
30:36Rachel at the beginning Rachel at the end, right?
30:39so to me the character arc does what matters how how life and decisions and choices change you right and
30:45He just seemed to be kind of monotone
30:47Throughout the whole thing and and the same thing I felt was true of just about everybody
30:52Everybody was just kind of the same at the beginning the middle and
30:56The end and the only one who had a bit of a character arc would be the defense attorney
31:01The dark head guy. No, you mean the prosecutor. Oh crap. Yeah prosecutor, right?
31:06But she was still it was barely anything like her personality didn't change her motives change
31:11That's it then it's funny because she will this is the frame famous actress Toni Collette
31:15She played the mom in six cents, which was a very warm hearted character and she played this one very cold
31:20No in the sixth sense
31:24So but she plays this one very cold and serpent-eyed and and and you know, like frozen-faced and all of that
31:31So robots machine woman. Yeah. Yeah girl blast cyborg machine woman like something out of Battlestar Galactica
31:36So she's just a really good actress as far as that goes. Although she didn't get very much to
31:41To to work with as far so that the character arc to me is important
31:45I also thought that the defense attorney was absolute trash
31:51Like so remember the guy the guy the guy the guy who lives the eyewitness, right?
31:57It's like through the rain in the dark, you know, and and he doesn't bring up like hey, can you see that?
32:03Well, I think that's when I looked at my you have a prescription
32:06Have you ever seen cousin Vinny my cousin my cousin Vinny? Yeah, apparently that's very famous with lawyers. It really is
32:12Accurate is right. So when the audience who's not a lawyer is screaming at the TV like he can't see he's an old guy
32:19Does he have glasses? It's raining out. Yeah, so so if you're that bad as an attorney
32:26What do you do? How do you grab? Well, he is a public defender. No, I get that but then play him as an idiot
32:33But then play him as an idiot, but the actor didn't even say the actor
32:37Funny if he was like
32:39Like really really dumb dropping his papers and I can't find my glasses. They're on top of his head. I don't know just I'm slick
32:46Again, this guy gives no direction so we can't blame a single thing on the director, right?
32:50So like if there's bad acting or bad characters, that's on the writers and the actors
32:55Yeah, it's it's like because you know, they spent about thirty five million dollars to make this movie, you know spend
33:01I don't know spend a couple hundred bucks for a psychologist to review the script and say
33:06You know, here's what would happen in this situation. Here's what would happen in this situation
33:10I mean, this is worse than war because at least with war you can shoot and fight and run, you know
33:14This is like you just you've got to convince everyone I lie. I am like so so
33:19but aside from
33:20Paying the actors to act props could be like ten thousand max
33:25Cuz like yeah, there's some blood obviously clothing and stuff, but people could just bring their own personal wardrobes
33:31you could save money on that, but then there's like
33:33Maybe to save money of rental you could just build like a mini courtroom or not a mini courtroom
33:38But like the enough maybe not the courtroom because that would be way more but like the jury
33:43Table and stuff read the courtroom for a day or something
33:45Like it could literally be so cheap aside from the actors and I didn't recognize any big names
33:50So like now JK Simmons keeping his shirt on for once in a movie. He's the guy from Red One. Oh, yeah
33:57The only one then yeah, he was JK Simmons
33:59I'm sure that Tony Collette is she's not a movie star star, but she's certainly competent actor
34:04But they weren't paying like massive fees for like Brad Pitt or something like that
34:08So yeah, so the fact that the defender did not even bring up some of the most obvious stuff, you know
34:13Which is to cross like to say did he do five autopsies? How many autopsies did you do that day?
34:18You know, how do you know it wasn't a hit-and-run like just the most obvious stuff?
34:21so the fact that the attorney was played as competent and an equal to the prosecutor the defense attorney, but
34:27The audience was screaming at the screen like how could you miss?
34:29This is the most obvious thing known to man right to say that like I was sitting there thinking like the guy
34:34Through rain at night old eyes. It's not it's not even lit. Right, right
34:39And and he thinks he sees a guy with a beard who's exactly that guy points out this guy
34:45So I got I saw that man and how many feet away?
34:48And then and then say how did you how did you know it was him?
34:52Well, the cop showed me a photo did they show you any other photos, you know, just that kind of stuff, right?
34:55Yeah, so five photos put them up and say which one did you see he's not gonna know right, right
35:01So the fact that the defense attorney was so bad, but then that was necessary, right?
35:05So they needed to have the guy credibly convicted, which means that the defense attorney had to be absolute trash head
35:12Like just one of the worst even played that way
35:14it should have been played that way because the guy was played as a you know,
35:17confident nice guy who was kind of it funny if the guy like the
35:21Criminal guy who was wrongly convicted
35:24Was up there and was saying the points that the defender or the public defender didn't make
35:30Like that was like when he was up there and he was like don't forget man this guy he can't even see
35:34How is he gonna recognize me?
35:36Like that would've been funny because it would have been a guy look really dumb
35:39I would have exaggerated it one and it seemed just once he's like
35:42Maybe like in just terms like reviewing the script reviewing script as written before it actually gets to you know
35:49Casting everything else you find something like that, which is just obviously just kind of obvious problem
35:54Yeah, right. It's an obvious problem for the defense
35:55Yeah, you know unless they actually put a lot of work and then the defense's case become stronger which makes it harder to convict
36:02Yeah, right. And so his job becomes
36:06Kind of easier in a way because he can quit the guy
36:09Yeah, you know, so it's like well, you know review review that stuff and you don't have hot you don't have an eyewitness
36:14Why was it in there in the first place?
36:16Well, so this is the challenge for me is that somebody has a good idea like wow, wouldn't it be cool?
36:20It's actually the guy who committed the crime. Yeah, I remember reading an old story a short story about that
36:25But anyway, so then you say what is a cool idea?
36:28Yeah
36:28wouldn't it be cool if and then what you do is you you put all of the pieces together to make that work without any
36:34consideration of the actual people involved the humanity of
36:38It's like you're assembling a Lego thing or putting together some clock by need this piece to work here and I need this piece
36:44to work here without any particular
36:46Focus on the actual human beings go through your little plot machinery. Now. I'm I'm not strong on plot as a writer
36:53So I focus I'm always battling between plot
36:56Theme message and humanity because the characters for me they're always advocating for themselves and say well
37:01I want to do this and I'm always battling with them to try you got to follow the story screw the story
37:05This is what I want to do, right? Right and so there's didn't I didn't get any this was so over control
37:10This is like some philosophically empty Ayn Rand over control
37:14Well, the characters have to do this and we're gonna make it ironic because of this and then we got the guy
37:18You need to get conviction during our witness a terminism very clockwork
37:22And so I found it kind of soulless like when the guy was playing with his daughter
37:27I'm like, okay, but you're just a hollow-hearted guy. Who's now killed someone and quote got away with it
37:33I don't care
37:34I think that his wife is an idiot for not noticing any of this stuff and just like oh
37:38Well, I get it so they had to make her pregnant so that that the stakes were higher for her and it's like well
37:43She needs to be pregnant to make the stakes higher for her and it's like, okay
37:46but then if she's a prey if she's a woman who gets involved with and has a kid with a guy who's a
37:52We don't know how long it was after he'd quit drinking, right? That's
37:57Yeah, they got together. I think it was that she met him or he said he well
38:01They met each other while he was on community service
38:04For his do yeah, he was serving community service at the UI, right, correct. Yeah, he was reading to kids or something
38:10I don't know how to write
38:13So, yeah, yeah, she she met him and in his community service
38:16Yeah, and that's he stopped drinking after that but at that point presumably or whatever and then you know
38:22That's I mean, I don't know how long that had been before. I thought it was well
38:25I don't know if that was four years from there or what but his his AI token
38:29I think I'd remember four years. I could be wrong. I think from my recall. Yeah, he's a took those four years
38:33Yes, that's four years, you know
38:36Yeah, I'm gonna just see if there's just anything in here and this is part of the whole like people can change conversation. Yeah
38:42Yeah, right, right
38:44But yeah, I know that that remember that part of the story where you know, they met on his community service
38:49so then saying to women, oh you should totally have kids with a
38:53Recovering alcoholic who's been drunk for his adult life. Yeah, and as a writer
38:58God help you, right? So so have a kid but the guy who's
39:036-3 and and good-looking right as long as you know, he's 6-3 and good-looking you can overlook the fact that he's a raging
39:11Alcoholic who's just reformed and he's doing his his probation or DS community service for a DUI and it's just like oh my gosh
39:20monstrous
39:21So yeah
39:22I thought it was a clever plot
39:24But the real challenge is to get the plot together with the actual motives of the actual people and this guy
39:30You know
39:30He needed to look more haggard over the course of the trial
39:35the other guy is in prison and he needs to look worse and
39:39And and and and less like either more buff or less or skinnier because that's what happens in prison, right?
39:45You either get more buff because you go to the gym all the time or you get skinny because you're too stressed or whatever
39:49Right. I did not even note. I didn't I was looking, you know
39:52There's always this thing in movies where the guy gets the guilty verdict
39:55But the criminal the quote criminal the accused gets a guilty verdict or the innocent verdict
39:59Yeah, and you're looking for a reaction. I get nothing from this guy. Oh, yeah. He's just nothing. Okay eggs milk butter
40:05What else do I have to get from grocery store? Oh, I guess I've sentenced to life in prison
40:08Anyway, so that just kind of drove me cigarettes. Yeah. Well and and so that kind of drove me a little bit nuts
40:14So I think that it was a clever idea
40:18Kind of empty the people were just props for
40:21The big quote story and oh and and the Neil deGrasse Tyson looking guy
40:27No words wanted to mention that so, you know, the black woman was like, I want to get on my kids
40:33You know that kind of thing, right? I don't care
40:34It's like, you know with lynching and all of that
40:36You'd think you'd be kind of sensitive about just throwing someone in prison because you want to get home
40:40Yep
40:40And then this is sort of the impossibility of some of the race relations that go on in America, I guess most places, right?
40:46It's just like so the black guy who seemed, you know decent, you know, whatever middle-class kind of guy, right?
40:53So then it turns out that the black guy had a brother who was in a gang and selling was sold drugs to or something
40:59Like something I don't remember it, but you know, yeah, and and the the white guy is like, oh, I'm sorry
41:05I didn't know it like yeah, you didn't know it's like so so now because you don't assume that the black guys
41:11Got some criminal
41:12Family member who was what was he shot by someone in that gang?
41:16I think he died from the drugs from that gang something like that
41:19So the accused guy was in a gang because of the neck tattoos
41:22And and the gang caused the death of this guy's little brother or something like that, right?
41:26Yeah
41:27So the black guy is like really angry at the white guy for not assuming that the black guy's family is full of criminals
41:33Right, and it's like okay. So what now what are we supposed to do?
41:36Yeah, I mean if I assume that your family's full of criminals, that's really terrible if I don't assume that your family is full of
41:43Criminals, that's really terrible and it's like this really does not help people be comfortable with each other
41:49Anyway, just kind of drove me a little bit nuts. How dare you not assume that my brother was a drug addict
41:53Well, this is after he basically like mimes out Dobie white guy for the for the what for the jury. Yeah
42:00He was kind of oh, I just want to get home
42:01I just want to be out there. So y'all did right by that young man is like you don't really care, you know
42:06Yes
42:07that's the black guy was accusing him the black guy was accusing juror number two like our main character because when he says in the
42:12initially the start of the
42:14The the lip the juror jury deliberation
42:17Number two everyone else is like guilty guilty guilty guilty and he's like, oh hold up, you know
42:21We need we're talking about a man's life
42:22We need to think about this and the black guy's like, oh, you don't really care
42:26You just want to sleep well at night like I did right by that young man
42:30So it's okay to like act out you use someone with a conscience, so that's bad anyway that just just and that seemed
42:37Uh, I hate to sort of say racist or anything like that because there's such an overused term
42:41But it did seem a little bit like okay
42:43So the black guy a black guy and the and the and the black
42:47woman
42:47really really want to rush to judgment just throw someone in prison so they can get this over with I'm like
42:52And then they start mocking and attacking the guy who's got a conscience and wants to slow things down to make sure you get it
42:57Right. I don't know. It just didn't seem quite it wasn't right. Yeah, it was interesting
43:02And and just another one of these you can't win like you can't win, right?
43:06So I thought that was that's kind of tragic. So I you know, the story's clever stories clever
43:12I mean, you can't really say much about the scenery very little music at the ending
43:19You know, I honestly I didn't care I didn't care so the ending is
43:23The prosecutor shows up, you know on the guy's door and then that movie just ends, right?
43:27Yeah, and is she gonna say I'm not gonna pursue you or she gonna say I'm gonna pursue you
43:32I assume it was I'm gonna pursue you. Yeah, we assume at that point to my mind that she's going to prosecute him
43:38so throughout the
43:40Towards the end of the movie we can see that the DA is putting it together
43:43What actually happened and then it was actually true number two that did it and she's bound in this conflict of should she act on?
43:50It or not. Yeah, and they have a meeting where like without in not so many words
43:56You know
43:56he's giving her the reasons why she shouldn't or number two is giving so many reasons why she should not pursue it like what if
44:02He's a good man with a family and pursuing. This is just gonna destroy a life needlessly and then she like she doesn't
44:09Act on it at that moment and so for the for the moment
44:12We see then we later another scene see him playing with his baby girl and that's when there's the knock at the door
44:17Yes, we think like okay. Well, he got away with it. And then yeah, there's not for the door in the day
44:21What's up, so then I have to assume at that point. She's changed her mind. Yeah. Yeah, she's gonna come after him
44:25Yeah, but so he and he has this conversation
44:27It starts off kind of cryptic and then it gets very not cryptic after the trial
44:31He comes and watches the sentencing right of the convicted guy right and sentenced to life in prison. So then he's out
44:38Sitting on the on the bench and then the prosecutor comes out right the Tom Cruise guy the juror number two
44:44He he's sitting on the bench and then they basically have a conversation where he says, yeah pretty much I I'm responsible
44:50And it's like why would you say that she's gonna be recording? Well, yeah
44:54Yeah
44:55So so the idea this is from an old movie Wall Street
44:57It's happened a bunch of times is like, you know
44:59I've been recording this whole thing and now with a cell phone. It's like you don't even you wired up
45:03You just have your cell phone there record everything, right? Yeah, so
45:07The fact that he went through all of this
45:10All of this to make sure he didn't get convicted of anything and then confessing to the DA makes the entire movie completely pointless
45:20Completely and totally pointless
45:22Because she kind of gets him because of the car records of the repairs and all that kind of stuff, right?
45:26She kind of gets as a suspicion and so so but he she doesn't have any proof and does she want to do the whole thing?
45:31Again, if he's gonna deny everything and his wife is gonna give him an alibi whatever it is, right? Yeah, so
45:37the whole the whole movie is
45:39all of the hoops he's got to jump through to stay out of prison and then he's like or
45:44After I've succeeded in that I could just confess to the DA
45:48Or the prosecutor and I'm like, so there was no point to any of this like not even a bit
45:54Right. Look at all the crazy loops and machinations. I have to go through to stay out of prison
45:58So at the end of the movie I can confess to the crime
46:00It's like he's never heard of if they find new evidence. They could reopen a case. Yeah, right, right, right, right, right, right
46:08Right, so I that's like that it is a real thing
46:10He would be like I have no idea what you're talking about
46:12You know, I I'm I just I wanted to see this through like first of all don't go right, but he asked you
46:17But again for the plot he has to go right and and his wife, you know would say where are you going?
46:23So is he now lying to his wife?
46:25He said I'm going to like I like he's like he's at that point. It's out in the open between the two of them
46:29Yeah, he's like, you know, I basically put this guy away for you know for life
46:33The least I can do is go to his sentencing. Well, and what would she say as a wife she would say like
46:40Absolutely, not you we did not go through all of this like he's a bad guy. She would say, you know, he's he's fine
46:47Yeah, like I mean, so oh no
46:48He can't be part of his gang and sell more drugs to kids or whatever was going on with him, right?
46:52So she would say like but he's like she's like yeah off you go. Here we go Pat off you go
46:56Yeah, you go hang around that that prosecutor and all of that, right?
46:59So it kind of drove me nuts because the whole point of the movie was like all the twists and turns and crazy stuff
47:04He had to go through to make sure that the other guy went to prison and then he shows up
47:08But she has to do right he shows up because it's part of a plot, right?
47:12Yeah, and so he shows up his wife doesn't say over my dead body
47:16Are you going that you you you set no foot near anywhere of this ever again, right?
47:20yeah, but she's like
47:21Oh off you go a patch your lunch a long one because you'll need it for 30 years and then he's sitting on the bench
47:26and he basically just confesses to
47:28The prosecutor and it's like so the entire two hours was pointless
47:33pointless
47:35Oh
47:36My gosh, no that that felt like again, that's just part of a well wouldn't be cool if and you know what they've got these
47:42They it's a bunch of writers or make his one writer, but he's probably
47:46Wouldn't it be cool if oh, yeah, we're gonna he's gonna go and then she's gonna have this conversation and and and it's just like
47:51Oh, but but you know have some
47:54Sympathy for the audience that's invested their time in the story and don't make the entire story pointless by having him confess at the end
47:59Basically, it's like having it all the dream
48:01Yeah, yeah. Yeah, or it's it's it's like a well, you know, but he's so guilty. He ends up having to confess, right?
48:08Like he's so good. He's so guilty that he ends up having to confess
48:12it's like okay, but we didn't see any of that wrestle too much over the course of the
48:17Yeah, and and you know, what's what's really good is is we know if you're gonna give the audience the view into what's really happening
48:23We need to get a couple of winks, right?
48:25So we need to see we need to see we know what he's really upset about
48:30Which is he's exhausted and he's under all the stress
48:32But he appears to be really unhinged in a way and the other people are like gee, I wonder what's going on
48:36But we know what's going on. Right? So in Hamlet, it's that Hamlet sets up this play to trap the king and
48:42We know what's going on, but the king doesn't and it's believable that he doesn't right
48:46So those layers were just not built in and I mean Clint Eastwood is a bit of a mechanical director
48:53That way he just he does more stuff a plot and story and it wouldn't be cool if rather than the actual
48:58Humanity stuff, but yeah, you you needed someone who was good with that character arc because man that just wasn't the thing
49:05So it's like, okay
49:05So he goes he goes to prison and he's gonna go to prison now also for not just the homicide
49:12But also for subverting the entire legal process
49:14Right and and being a juror and not coming and saying I got a recuse myself because I got a cough like he's just he's
49:21Toast, right? Yeah, and then I'm like, okay, so the the bad guy who was a crime guy gangbangers
49:27You say who sold drugs to young people? Okay, or his he's gang did so he gets out of prison
49:33Am I supposed to feel good about that? Nope. So this guy who got away scot-free and then went back and confessed
49:38He goes to prison. Am I supposed to feel bad about that? Oh, no the ex-alcoholic who killed someone isn't gonna be around to be
49:44a dad
49:45So I don't care and and do I care that the woman who had the terrible choice and
49:50Fatherless loses a guy because he goes and confesses like I don't care about any of them. Please. Give me someone to root for
49:57Please give me someone to root for the micro
49:59so box
50:00I was about to get on the beginning of this review was like and all of these things all that the movies reviewed a lot
50:05of the conversation had like
50:06What goes on in the world that I Elon Musk on Twitter and all these like philosophy is sorely missing from all of these
50:13Conversations morality and philosophy. It's nowhere to be found
50:18Nope, so all right. Anything else that you wanted to mention? I've got nothing you oh
50:24No you
50:26So well, I have that question of like would you recommend for one to go watch this movie?
50:31Because I personally would not would not yeah, I would I would not because I found it just a complete empty experience
50:39You know, I mean I was trying to root for people I was trying to find the good in someone and I just couldn't I
50:45Didn't believe the gangbanger who said but I'm a nice guy now. I didn't believe him
50:49I didn't believe that the guy was gonna be a good dad after being at this point after being an alcoholic for so long
50:55I thought that the woman was a complete idiot to to settle down with this kind of guy. Although he's a teacher
51:01She
51:06Did I care about the DA I didn't care about the prosecutor
51:10Did I think that the doofus Italian guy who was the defender?
51:12Was like I just didn't care about anyone and it was so it was a clever idea
51:17But I thought it was just so badly
51:19Executed as a whole and such a sort of hollow emotional experience that I think the only thing the only good things ever get
51:24I'm out of this is this review. Yeah, I do have one sort of thing
51:28It sort of goes back to basically what you were saying
51:30There were times where I thought like and it's just one of those it wouldn't be cool if probably ideas
51:35I thought there there was times would be flirted with this notion of like 12 angry men
51:40Yeah
51:40I thought it was like that would have been interesting
51:42but they only sort of came approach and then he just turned to whore away from it for the rest of the story base that
51:46They wanted to put together and it in that way. It's not satisfying
51:50Well, the other unsatisfying thing was there was this whole speech where he convinces everyone to vote guilty
51:54That was the whole climax of the movie that doesn't even happen on screen, right?
51:58He spent most the movie and getting up to like half of the jury to say the guy's innocent
52:04Realizes he can't go to get the full for the hopeful way. Yeah switches switches gears. Yeah, we don't find out
52:09We see none of it. We only find out later and he's not even at the reading of the verdict, right?
52:13He's like missing from the box, right? Yeah, we don't I'm not sure what that was all about either
52:19Do you don't have to be there because she asked did everyone agree to this?
52:22There yeah, but she's asking the floor person who I think sure it speaks on his behalf, but yeah, he wasn't there
52:27I'm not sure if that was explained or if I missed something or I was so really
52:32Oh, that's right, maybe
52:35Yeah, so I would say no, I didn't really believe anyone involved at the motivations and the humanity
52:41I
52:42only go that you've heard the review don't really need to watch the movie like the movie was about a cool concept for a
52:47Story and you just heard the cool concept of the story. So I don't think it's worth it
52:50And they janked up that executing that concept. Yeah
52:53Yeah, I only care about the people in in movies. I really only care about the people
52:59It's kind of like in life
52:59I can only care about the people the stuff and the the cleverness and the circumstances don't really I don't really care and also
53:05I just know enough about human nature to know that there was nobody I was rooting for except maybe the deer
53:12You convinced me because I initially I was like, you know, it posed an interesting enough question
53:16I think it's worth watching but but when you point out the fact that they built this up and it just negated the whole thing
53:22I'm like, oh, yeah, you know what you're right and that it's rude. No, but nobody noticed this
53:28I mean, there's a professional storytellers does nobody notice this kind of stuff. Yeah, we have the same same questions, right?
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