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Host:
- Aniqa Nisar
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- Sheikh Waqas Akram PTI
- Senator Irfan Siddiqui PMLN
- Major General (R) Zahid Mahmood (Defence Analyst)
"Government and Opposition have Dissolved their Negotiation Committees...," Sheikh Waqas Statement
Over 5,000 PTI workers were arrested on November 26, their bail granted...." Sheikh Waqas Analysis
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Guests:
- Sheikh Waqas Akram PTI
- Senator Irfan Siddiqui PMLN
- Major General (R) Zahid Mahmood (Defence Analyst)
"Government and Opposition have Dissolved their Negotiation Committees...," Sheikh Waqas Statement
Over 5,000 PTI workers were arrested on November 26, their bail granted...." Sheikh Waqas Analysis
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00:00In the name of Allah, the most Gracious, the most Merciful, I am Anika Nisar with the
00:10program Ehteraaz-e-Haq.
00:11Ladies and gentlemen, politics is on a standstill in a way, because when politics is about possibilities,
00:15it is thought that we will find some possibility somehow.
00:18We will try to find some solution to this difficult situation, this vicious cycle that is stuck
00:24in Pakistan.
00:25But nothing of that sort is happening.
00:29Unfortunately, on the one hand, the government is threatening us, and on the other hand,
00:34Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf is warning the government.
00:38Mohsin Naqvi Sahib has said that the situation will be the same as it was before.
00:44We will not do it.
00:45Like before, we will request them not to do it.
00:48Like before, when it was 26th November, they had picked dates like this.
00:52If we don't do it, then...
00:54Now, a very big allegation is being put on the PTI by the government, that they want
01:01to get some NRO somehow, to get some deal, to get some sort of deal.
01:05But Salman Akhundraj Sahib is saying that Khan Sahib has once again refused any deal,
01:09that there will be no deal, there will be no NRO.
01:12Listen to that too.
01:13I met Khan Sahib in Adiyala Jail today.
01:16Khan Sahib has said that I have been in prison for a year and a half now, and I will remain
01:23in prison.
01:24I will not do any kind of deal.
01:25We are standing for truth and justice.
01:27We are not in favour of any deal.
01:29Now, whether there is a deal or not, and there is a protest, and in return, if the protest
01:34goes towards a break, then it is the government's action.
01:37If it doesn't go towards a break, then it is the government's action.
01:40That is one side.
01:41But I have always had a stance that countries come to the table after fighting.
01:46So these are our Pakistani political parties.
01:48They should come to the table and continue the negotiations.
01:52But on the one hand, there is a press conference on behalf of PMLN, after the Charter of Demand,
01:56and on the other hand, PTI removes the hand that we do not want to negotiate.
02:00Then Wazir-e-Azam says, let's make a parliamentary committee.
02:03But in 2018, Khan Sahib's government had made a parliamentary committee and brought it.
02:07This time, this government is trying to do this.
02:09So the situation is that there is nothing coming out of the protest and the negotiations.
02:14We are trying to find a solution.
02:17Sheikh Waqas Akram Sahib is with us.
02:19Thank you very much, Sheikh Sahib, for joining us.
02:22Sheikh Sahib, you know that I have had a clear stance for a long time that we should negotiate.
02:29We should talk in some way.
02:31Obviously, Imran Khan Sahib had made a negotiating committee.
02:36Even today, that negotiation has not taken place in the Speaker's office.
02:40Because officially, the letter is written that we have received statements from our side
02:49and we have received tweets.
02:51Has the Speaker's office not been told in a written form that we should not negotiate?
02:57Look, the first thing is that the Speaker's office is only a facilitator.
03:02It is neither our representative of Pakistan Tariq-e-Ansaaf
03:07nor does the Speaker's office represent the government of Pakistan.
03:10That is, the ones who are sitting in the PDM.
03:15So, both parties have changed these committees on their own.
03:20So, nobody needs to write nothing to the Speaker's office.
03:24It is as simple as that.
03:26Because it was the discretion of both parties.
03:29And we did it first.
03:31And you must have heard Irfan Siddiqui yesterday.
03:33He also said that it is over.
03:35It was over for us a long time ago.
03:37But I don't know who we were waiting for.
03:40So, it doesn't matter what is in the Speaker's office and what is not.
03:45Political parties are not bound by any office in the process of negotiation or dialogue.
03:50Dialogues are made on their own free will.
03:54They are not bound by any office.
03:56No, Mr. Sheikh, I have a concern and that is for an armed worker.
04:00Look, you too, obviously,
04:02whatever opposition there is,
04:04if the government comes on heavy handedness,
04:06then it suffers.
04:08You are also doing it.
04:10But the worker does not have the capacity
04:12that once he goes to jail,
04:15if you come back on the streets
04:17after 8th February,
04:19then what will happen to that worker?
04:21Because I have told you about Mohsin Naqvi
04:23that if it happens again,
04:25then our action will also be the same as before.
04:27Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf
04:29arrested 5,780 people
04:31when they were returning on 26th.
04:33Is it right?
04:35Can you tell me
04:37if anyone has an idea
04:39who has got thousands of people
04:41arrested in this country?
04:43Who has collected the cash
04:45from their pockets?
04:47Did their family members
04:49give them food,
04:51clothes and blankets?
04:53No.
04:55Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf
04:57is totally different
04:59from other parties in Pakistan.
05:01The party has collected
05:03the food,
05:05clothes,
05:07blankets,
05:09shoes,
05:12it was provided by a party
05:14and the teams
05:16have been formed.
05:18So, this is not a party
05:20that leaves its worker
05:22and does not find him after that.
05:24We stand with our worker
05:26till the end
05:28and the worker leaves
05:30because he knows
05:32that this is a party
05:34that will not abandon us.
05:36You see,
05:38the compensation of crores of rupees
05:41that has been collected
05:43on 26th
05:45has never been given
05:47by any political party
05:49in this country.
05:51No one has given such a big amount
05:53and within 10 days
05:55it has been given.
05:57This is a very important point.
05:59Can you clarify
06:01whether PTI has given it
06:03from its own fund
06:05or from KPK's fund?
06:07KPK has announced
06:10that the KPK government
06:12will give the money.
06:14The KPK government has given the money.
06:16Gunshots have been given 10 lakhs
06:18and the rest of the people
06:20have been given crores of rupees
06:22from their own pockets.
06:24Keep this in mind.
06:26Okay, the pockets are fine
06:28but the KPK government
06:30has a lot of voters
06:32from other parties
06:34or KPK government.
06:36Let me complete.
06:39Does the taxpayer
06:41give the money
06:43to the PTI workers?
06:45PTI workers
06:47are not from India.
06:49They are from Punjab.
06:51The money
06:53of the KPK government
06:55will be used
06:57for the welfare
06:59of the KPK people
07:01and there is no legal or legal basis
07:03in it.
07:05We say that it was a crime.
07:07If someone from another party
07:09would have been martyred
07:11and he would have been from KPK
07:13he would have got the same compensation.
07:15Mr. Sheikh,
07:17if the Punjab government
07:19makes a protest
07:21and they just
07:23put their tax money
07:25on the pockets
07:27of the PTI workers
07:29won't you raise your voice
07:31against it?
07:33Who told you that
07:36the PTI workers
07:38have been martyred?
07:40The PTI workers
07:42have been martyred.
07:44The PTI workers
07:46have been martyred.
07:48The PTI workers
07:50have been martyred.
07:52The PTI workers
07:54have been martyred.
07:56The PTI workers
07:58have been martyred.
08:00The PTI workers
08:02have been martyred.
08:05The PTI workers
08:07have been martyred.
08:09In case
08:11in case
08:14the government
08:16yes, you know
08:19things happen
08:21and so does we.
08:23Yesterday Mr. Rana
08:25said that the PKI
08:27ordnance turned out
08:29to be white,
08:31black but
08:33So tell me, in case your government comes, and if there is a PMLN government in Punjab and they do the same, will you accept it?
08:45I want to know from now on, how will it be in the future?
08:47I will tell you, I will tell you.
08:49Look, listen to me.
08:51The 13 martyrs, there are 8 from KP, 3 from Punjab, and 2 from Balochistan.
08:57The 3 from Punjab have been compensated, and the 2 from Balochistan have been compensated by the KP government.
09:12So I don't think there is a difference here as to who belonged to which community.
09:18I think the people who have the right, they should get it.
09:23Okay, I won't go to Punjabis, Balochis, Pakhtuns and Sindhis, I think they are all Pakistanis.
09:29And I agree with that that we shouldn't go to any community.
09:32Mr. Sheikh, let's move ahead.
09:34What is going to happen on 8th Feb?
09:36What are you going to do?
09:37Different this time, which has never happened before, and after that nothing has happened.
09:41Look, nothing is going to be different.
09:43I don't know why people have made it clear to themselves.
09:46There is going to be a protest.
09:48There will be a peaceful protest.
09:50There will be a grand protest.
09:52There will be a protest in Sarwabi, which will be done by the KP people.
09:55It will be the same protest.
09:57All KP will be a part of that protest.
09:59In the other 3 provinces of this country, in Kashmir, Gilgit-Baltistan, people will go to their own cities,
10:05their own schools, their own districts, they will go out, they will rally, they will have a public meeting.
10:13They will protest peacefully.
10:15Look, we are observing Black Day, because our mandate was stolen on that day.
10:21So, there is a protest against that.
10:24Why are people so worried? I don't understand.
10:26Actually, they are worried that this time you will wear a shroud and tell your family about the funeral, or otherwise?
10:34Look, the first thing is that the new president himself will announce what he will do and what he will not do.
10:44There is no such direction from Markaz.
10:48Markaz has only said in the light of Imran Khan's order that there will be a protest on Black Day, 8th February, which is our right and it will be peaceful.
10:58Okay. So, after Junaid Akbar's arrival, generally, and he himself said that the hawkish side of PTI will now come to the front.
11:06Ali Ameen Gandapur Sahib was not being called hawkish. That is something surprising as well.
11:11Because he also spoke very straightforwardly. What can be more hawkish than this?
11:15But Junaid Akbar is saying that now the hawkish side will come in front of PTI.
11:19So, what change should we expect now, Mr. Sheikh?
11:22Look, he is a provincial president. He can explain that better.
11:28But I just want to say that all the workers of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf have been beaten up all around Pakistan.
11:35All of them are tough people. All of them have become tough.
11:39They have suffered a lot.
11:41Now, the allegation that was put on them, well, it was put on them a long time ago.
11:45That Khan will not be able to spend a month in jail.
11:47That he will not be able to fight the election.
11:49That he will not come out on the day of the election.
11:51We have turned everything upside down and put it back on their faces.
11:54So, those things are no longer applicable on them.
11:56So, Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf is the biggest political party in this country.
12:00Which proposes and when it does, it grants.
12:04So, that is what is going to happen.
12:06There is no hard line or soft line in this.
12:10No, this is what you are saying. Junaid Akbar thinks something else.
12:13And when I have put this statement in front of you that he has said...
12:16Look, I will tell you one thing. If you allow me, I will tell you a little more.
12:19Look, I think, this is my personal opinion. I am also a worker of Imran Khan.
12:23And I have a lot of love for KP.
12:29Many of my friends are related to KP.
12:34My mother is also related to KP.
12:36And I will tell you that before 9th May, after 9th May, till 8th February...
12:44They have seen as many problems as the PTI has seen in any part of Pakistan.
12:50Then, the government came in 8th February.
12:52But all the mobilization happened till 26th November.
12:55In all that, KP has led the PTI in the whole of Pakistan.
12:58There is no doubt.
12:59Okay?
13:00In that, our MNAs, MPAs, especially MPAs.
13:03Remember.
13:04MPAs.
13:05After that, your officials, your ministers, your ministers, workers,
13:10all the officials.
13:12Look, our ministers were caught there in Islamabad.
13:15But, Mr. Sheikh, I understand what you are saying.
13:17I am just saying it.
13:19I am just saying it.
13:20I hope it gets better.
13:21So, I think that America's efforts, the beatings, the bullets, the rubber bullets,
13:27the shanty, the tear gas, the beatings, the beatings,
13:32these people are not soft or homeopathic.
13:37They are Mujahideen.
13:39After your smile, I felt that you don't agree with Mr. Junaid Akbar's statement.
13:46He is my brother.
13:49He is your brother.
13:50Ali Ameen Gandapur is also your brother, right?
13:52But, he has given a statement.
13:53So, he has said something about the last president.
13:55All PTIs are connected by a relationship called Imran Khan.
13:59And, we are all brothers.
14:00And, all political parties are connected by a relationship called Pakistan.
14:04So, in this way, you are the brother of the people of PMLN.
14:07And, you are the brother of the People's Party.
14:08So, to make a brother, a lot of people become brothers, Mr. Sheikh.
14:10But, there is always a fight between brothers.
14:12And, we have the right to protest under the same Pakistan law.
14:16All brothers should know this.
14:18Okay. I mean, they can become brothers.
14:19I am saying that there can be differences of opinion.
14:21I mean, this group had differences of opinion with other brothers.
14:25That is why they said that this time, the people of Hawkesh will come.
14:27Earlier, they were softies.
14:29No. I don't think it is appropriate to call PTI workers softies.
14:35But, they are my brothers.
14:36I accept their opinion.
14:38I would like to say that KP's worker is not a softie.
14:44KP's responsible person is not a softie.
14:46They are all ignorant.
14:47Okay. So, last question.
14:49There was an issue going on in Islamabad High Court,
14:53where judges had written that no judge should come from anywhere else in Islamabad High Court.
14:58Now, there are changes.
14:59Islamabad High Court of three different judges.
15:02PTI's expectations were much higher than Islamabad High Court.
15:06Maybe, it was lower than the Supreme Court.
15:08Although, Mr. Khan wrote the letter.
15:09Now, where do those expectations stand, Mr. Sheikh?
15:12We have always put our expectations on Allah.
15:15And then, we put our expectations on Allah and fight for it.
15:20We do our best.
15:22And, Allah gives us success.
15:24Keep this in mind.
15:25The letter written by the judges,
15:27we consider that letter to be valid.
15:31Chief Justice should play his role in this.
15:33This will be a violation of the law.
15:35Article 200 should be reviewed.
15:38President of Pakistan, Chief Justice and respective Chief Justices of the High Court.
15:42These are the parties.
15:44They should sit and make decisions.
15:46Because, as the judges have written in the letter,
15:49you must have seen that it will be a fraud on Constitution.
15:51So, it is a violation and a fraud.
15:54You reject this step.
15:55Okay, Mr. Sheikh.
15:56Thank you very much for joining me in the program.
15:58I will have many more important discussions with you in the future.
16:01It was a pleasure having you.
16:02We will go to the break.
16:03Irfan Siddiqui will be with us.
16:05He was the head of PMLN and the Spokesperson of the Government Negotiating Committee.
16:08Let's ask him.
16:09Negotiations will not be held again.
16:11If we go to the other side, to Tajaj,
16:13what will PMLN do after the break?
16:18Welcome back after the break.
16:19Irfan Siddiqui is with us.
16:21He is the senior head of PMLN.
16:22He is the spokesperson of the negotiating team
16:25which was made by the government for negotiations with Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.
16:29The negotiating team has not yet been approved by the Speaker's National Assembly.
16:34Despite this, the PTI has said that the negotiating team does not exist anymore.
16:39Irfan Siddiqui, thank you very much for joining me in the program.
16:42Always a pleasure having you in the show.
16:44Irfan Siddiqui, is the negotiating team of the government still there?
16:50Because the PTI has already approved the negotiating team.
16:55They say that it is not for negotiations anymore.
17:00The situation is that the two committees that were formed,
17:05one committee was first formed by Imran Khan of the PTI,
17:11and the other committee was notified by the Prime Minister when the Speaker contacted him in response.
17:20Meaning there by, these two committees were not formed by the Speaker.
17:28These committees were formed by two different personalities.
17:32Now, on one hand, it has been announced that we have approved the committee,
17:37but I consider this to be an unofficial announcement.
17:40I don't consider it to be official.
17:42What is official is that the Speaker should be informed in writing
17:46that this committee was formed and now we have approved it.
17:50So no more talks.
17:52So is the case with the Prime Minister House.
17:54The Prime Minister House has neither announced nor notified the Speaker.
18:02So as far as the Speaker, both committees exist in his documents
18:10because on both sides, he was not asked to comment.
18:15When asked, he will comment.
18:17But in practice, you should know that he is commenting
18:20because he is not doing any work.
18:22One committee was actually approved, which he said, even though it was unofficial.
18:26The other committee, which is ours, even if it exists,
18:30there is no agenda in front of it, there is no work in front of it.
18:34So in practice, you should also understand that if there is no approval,
18:37then at least there is a delay.
18:39So in other words, Mr. Irfan,
18:41for the time being, let's leave any hope of negotiations,
18:44considering that 8th February has come from the day,
18:47and after that, a new series of protests is going to begin.
18:51Yes, there is no doubt about it.
18:56When they left the negotiations 5-6 days before the date was set unilaterally,
19:04they have turned the whole thing upside down.
19:06Obviously, if they have left the table dialogue and gone towards the road dialogue,
19:11then the government will also dialogue in the same language.
19:14But Mr. Irfan, you have just said that the same things will happen as before.
19:18On 28th November, they claimed that they lost a lot of lives.
19:21Then on 9th May, we saw that there was a protest,
19:24then there were arrests.
19:25So this time, the protest will mean that
19:27there will be a deal with Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf in a stricter manner.
19:31This time, they are saying that we are not alone.
19:33All the opposition is being discussed at this time,
19:36and it is going to be mixed up this time.
19:39I will come to that.
19:41The first thing is that when you are chanting the slogans of Al-Jihad,
19:46when you are raising the flags of Maro and Marjao,
19:49when you are attacking the government with firearms,
19:52with sticks with nails,
19:56when respected guests from outside are staying here,
19:59two steps away, in a five-star hotel,
20:03and when you go there, unsuccessful,
20:06then won't there be arrests?
20:08Will they call you and give you beatings?
20:11Will they put a garland around your neck?
20:13Is this what states do?
20:15You see, when incidents like this happened in Britain,
20:18what happened?
20:19What happened in America?
20:20What do they expect?
20:22That we do all this?
20:23No one should arrest us,
20:25no case should be filed against us,
20:26no punishment should be given to us,
20:27nor should we go to jail.
20:29This is a tribe that has a strange kind of mentality.
20:33I don't understand that whatever work you do,
20:36whatever crops you sow, you will cut them.
20:38If you attack the state,
20:40then the state will not put a garland around your neck.
20:43The state will defend itself,
20:45it will defend its dignity,
20:46it will defend its people,
20:48it will defend its people.
20:50This is the statutory responsibility of the state.
20:52It is a legal responsibility.
20:54The second thing you said in your question,
20:57that they will not be alone.
20:59I think they will be alone.
21:02Because the political parties of Pakistan,
21:05which have a democratic culture,
21:07which know the democratic principles,
21:11they will not be their fire.
21:14If they expect that Maulana Fazlur Rehman Sahib
21:16will also come with his tribe
21:19and will run on the D-chowk,
21:21or will adopt the 9th of May policy,
21:23Maulana does not do politics of destruction,
21:25of violence,
21:26of burning,
21:27of deepening.
21:30The whole world knows this.
21:32Irfan Sahib, I am sorry to cut you short.
21:33He lives in the realm of law and order.
21:35You have said with great confidence
21:37that Maulana Sahib will not be a part of this destruction.
21:40Are you saying this from your experience,
21:42or is there a discussion of the government
21:44just like there is a discussion of the PTI
21:46with all the opposition parties?
21:48No, I think there is no such discussion.
21:52As much as I know Maulana,
21:54his politics,
21:55his political history,
21:56and the history of his parents,
21:59he will never for violence,
22:01for incidents,
22:02or what his leaders are saying,
22:04that we will go from there,
22:05we will close the roads,
22:06we will close the telephones,
22:08we will not talk to anyone,
22:10and if someone shoots us,
22:11we will shoot them.
22:12If he is coming for this,
22:14and he expects Maulana to get on his truck,
22:17then this is a big mistake of his.
22:19One more party,
22:20which has joined hands with the PTI
22:22for the protection of law and order,
22:25is the party of that person,
22:28or the party of those personalities,
22:30who used to be in PMLN.
22:31I am talking about Shahid Khakhan Abbasi Sahib,
22:33from the Pakistan party.
22:34Do you think Shahid Khakhan Abbasi Sahib,
22:36Mufti Ismail Sahib,
22:37these people will join together
22:39and become a part of this protest?
22:43Even if they become a part of it,
22:45then their gathering,
22:47if it is of one lakh people,
22:49then it will be of two people,
22:51it does not make much difference.
22:53So you do not give much importance
22:55to the people of Pakistan,
22:57to the party, Irfan Sahib?
22:59No, not at all.
23:01They do not have a crowd,
23:03they do not have a people,
23:04they do not have a gathering.
23:05If they become a part of this protest,
23:07to show themselves,
23:09then it will be of one lakh,
23:11two people,
23:13it will be of two people.
23:15Otherwise,
23:17they will not add anything
23:19to the power of the PTI.
23:25Right.
23:26Irfan Sahib,
23:27now the question arises,
23:29that the negotiations are over,
23:31the Prime Minister has given an olive branch,
23:34that let's make a committee in the Parliament.
23:36We know that the Parliamentary Committee
23:38was formed in 2018,
23:40there was a delay after delay.
23:42So is this also seen as a delaying tactic
23:44by the government,
23:46that this is a delaying tactic?
23:50No, it is not like that.
23:52The first thing is that
23:54this is only when the PTI
23:56has left the negotiation process.
23:58They started the negotiation process,
24:00they formed the committee,
24:02he contacted the Speaker,
24:04he requested the Speaker
24:06to ask the Prime Minister
24:08to form a committee as well.
24:10The Prime Minister formed a committee
24:12on his request,
24:14so this was his proposal.
24:16He came and left on his own.
24:18So the matter is that
24:20they did not let the process
24:22complete.
24:24I have repeatedly said that
24:26whatever we were going to give them,
24:28perhaps they would not have been
24:30satisfied, but they would have
24:32been satisfied to some extent.
24:34They rejected that.
24:36They left the bus,
24:38they left the train,
24:40now they will not come back.
24:42Now what the Prime Minister has said,
24:44the Prime Minister has spoken
24:46in broad terms,
24:48that it is fine,
24:50the committee should be formed,
24:52just like you made it,
24:54he also made it in 2018,
24:56whose head was Parvez Ghatak,
24:58they do serious exercises there.
25:00We will not do one, we will do ten.
25:02A similar parliamentary committee
25:04had been formed in 2018,
25:06and had done a lot of work.
25:08Parliamentary committees work,
25:10if there is seriousness.
25:12At that time, there was no seriousness.
25:14Therefore, they have also taken it
25:16by force, within two hours,
25:18they have confirmed the
25:20proposal of the Prime Minister.
25:22I repeatedly say that this is not
25:24their area of specialization.
25:26They use the diction of
25:28bravery, bravery,
25:30so they have gone to that field,
25:32see what they get
25:34from this field,
25:36what they get from this meeting.
25:38Isn't a peaceful protest
25:40their right?
25:42They are the opposition party,
25:44if they go out on the streets
25:46peacefully, then why are they
25:48stopping you?
25:50I am surprised, Anika,
25:52when experienced people like you,
25:54say that it is a peaceful protest.
25:56Tell me one protest of theirs
25:58that was peaceful.
26:00Here, at that time,
26:02I was working with
26:04Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif,
26:06I do not know how many
26:08rounds we used to go to
26:10the Prime Minister's house.
26:12This protest went on for four months,
26:14no one hit them,
26:16they said that we are coming
26:18night and night,
26:20we are coming in D-chowk,
26:22the Prime Minister called a meeting
26:24at 12-12.30 at night,
26:26what should we do?
26:28Many people said that enough is enough,
26:30whether you test their strength or not,
26:32but the final decision was
26:34that no, do not test their strength,
26:36let them come, let them sit here.
26:38They came and sat there for four months.
26:40What did they not do at that time?
26:42Are electricity bills
26:44burned in a peaceful protest?
26:46Are attacks on PTV
26:48carried out in a peaceful protest?
26:50Are police officers
26:52hanged on the streets
26:54and tortured in a peaceful protest?
26:56Which peaceful?
26:58Was it peaceful on 9th?
27:00Was it peaceful on 26th November?
27:02When you say that it is
27:04allowed to protest peacefully,
27:06I am surprised.
27:08This community has not
27:10started a peaceful protest
27:12till date.
27:14Look at their language.
27:16This protest says that
27:18we will not stop.
27:20Now they will attack.
27:22Let me finish.
27:24Let me finish.
27:26When you call these people
27:28peaceful protest,
27:30you are violating history,
27:32information and facts.
27:34But we should understand that
27:36if there is a problem from there,
27:38then there will be a problem from here.
27:40This is decided.
27:42There will be no problem from here.
27:44There will be no problem from here.
27:46Whatever will happen from here
27:48will be according to the law.
27:50When there is an attack
27:52on a government,
27:54on a city,
27:56on a province,
27:58tell me Anika,
28:00increase my knowledge.
28:02In the history of the world,
28:04India is close to us,
28:06if a state of India
28:08attacks New Delhi,
28:10under the leadership of its Prime Minister,
28:12what will they do?
28:14They will crush it with full force.
28:16We did not do anything.
28:18But we will do.
28:20If they do like this,
28:22then we will do
28:24what the law tells us to do.
28:26We will do it.
28:28Point noted.
28:30Mr. Irfan, I want to come to that.
28:32You gave a speech in the Senate.
28:34You said that Al-Qadir Trust
28:36is not a trust.
28:38Shibli Farah's answer was also
28:40that Al-Qadir Trust is present.
28:42It is present on the ground.
28:44Then you wrote a column.
28:46You said that Al-Qadir Trust
28:48does not exist at this time.
28:50The argument of PTI
28:52is based on the fact
28:54that it is a trust.
28:56It is made for the poor.
28:58If land comes in it,
29:00if money comes in it,
29:02then what is the problem
29:04when it will come in the hands of the poor.
29:06You are saying that trust does not exist.
29:08If you have read that column,
29:10and it is in front of you,
29:12then everything in it,
29:14after complete research,
29:16after investigation,
29:18after looking at the records,
29:20everything has been done.
29:22If there is any mistake in it,
29:24then today I think
29:26it has been at least six days
29:28since this column came.
29:30No one objected.
29:32No one explained.
29:34No one said that Mr. Irfan Siddiqui
29:36is wrong.
29:38I still claim in your program
29:40that this trust has only
29:42existed for eight months
29:44from December 2019
29:46to August 2020.
29:48And the amazing thing is
29:50that they changed the law
29:52of 1882
29:54in August 2020
29:56that whoever is
29:58the trust of Islamabad,
30:00they should be registered
30:02from a new head,
30:04they made this law.
30:06But when their trust
30:08ended under this law,
30:10they have not registered
30:12till date.
30:14What does it mean?
30:16Translate it practically.
30:18Translate it practically
30:20that there are two trustees of it.
30:22One is Mr. Imran Khan
30:24and the other is his wife.
30:26So the hundreds of acres of land
30:28or the building
30:30or the millions of rupees
30:32is not owned by the trust.
30:34It is not a trust at all.
30:36It has gone into their
30:38personal ownership.
30:40I am sorry I am cutting you short.
30:42After the change of law,
30:44there was a time of six months
30:46for the trust to be re-registered.
30:48So why won't it be re-registered
30:50under their own government?
30:52I don't understand this.
30:54This is the question.
30:56You ask this question
30:58that you make a law
31:00that it won't be registered
31:02within six months.
31:04Why didn't you register it within six months?
31:06Was it your intention
31:08and you wanted all these things
31:10to go to two people?
31:14Let me tell you
31:16another shocking thing.
31:18The 485 acres of land
31:20that was taken
31:22in April 2019
31:24and
31:26in May,
31:28when the university was inaugurated,
31:30there was no trust at that time.
31:32There was no trust
31:34at that time.
31:36The trust comes into existence
31:38in December 2019.
31:40And that land was given
31:42to Zulfi Bukhari
31:44who later transferred it to the trust.
31:46When the trust ends,
31:48I don't know who owns it now.
31:50But Irfan sir, in 2023,
31:52the PTI reached out to the government.
31:54You had a government at that time.
31:56Yes.
31:58I have written in my column
32:00that when the Naib started
32:02investigating,
32:04he was called
32:06and then he realized
32:08that we don't have trust.
32:10We will be caught and killed.
32:12Then he applied.
32:14He did charity in our department.
32:16He did it under the
32:18Act of August 2020.
32:20Then there are five
32:22departments
32:24and the department
32:26who registers the trust
32:28asks for their clearance.
32:30The Naib said
32:32that these two people
32:34who wanted to become
32:36trustees of the trust
32:38are involved in cases
32:40and we are investigating against them
32:42and we do not recommend
32:44that the trust be registered.
32:46The same answer went to charity
32:48and it was not registered.
32:50So as for now, there is no Al-Qaeda trust.
32:52I will take this question from the PTI
32:54so that we can have their perspective as well.
32:56PTI is more than welcome.
32:58Irfan sir, last question
33:00before I wrap up this segment.
33:02The PICA bill
33:04has been signed
33:06and it has become a law.
33:08On top of this,
33:10there is a journalist community
33:12protest.
33:14All the unions of journalists
33:16are telling the government
33:18that they should have taken suggestions
33:20and the PTI law
33:22is wrong.
33:24Can we still
33:26change this law
33:28and make it
33:30according to
33:32what the opposition
33:34wants?
33:36Yes,
33:38we can change this law.
33:40Before making this law,
33:42there was one thing
33:44that should have been done.
33:46If it was not done,
33:48it would not have been possible.
33:50A law has come into existence
33:52and Sadr-e-Garami Qadar
33:54has signed it.
33:56It has become a law of the land.
33:58Now, if
34:00the journalists
34:02have some genuine concerns,
34:04they can be addressed.
34:06There is a forum for discussion
34:08and negotiations.
34:10They can meet and
34:12say that this thing is not right.
34:14They can correct it.
34:16As
34:1826 amendments
34:20have been made in the constitution,
34:22a law is a
34:24very ordinary thing.
34:26It is not
34:28something new
34:30in the history
34:32that can be changed
34:34in a matter of minutes.
34:36I think
34:38it is being thought about.
34:40The Minister of Information
34:42has also said that
34:44the doors are open.
34:46I think that
34:48we should have
34:50good negotiations
34:52with the journalists
34:54instead of
34:56quarrelling.
34:58I made the law of Pemra.
35:00We had negotiations
35:02with the journalists for 6 months.
35:04If there are no negotiations,
35:06it does not mean that the law has come
35:08and we cannot negotiate in the future.
35:10What was the urgency
35:12to have negotiations
35:14and then pass the law?
35:16Secondly,
35:18Asif Zardari
35:20told Maulana that
35:22Mohsin Naqvi will come
35:24and then we will sign.
35:26But they signed on the same night.
35:28This was a wrong
35:30statement with Maulana Fazlur Rehman.
35:32In other words,
35:34there was no urgency.
35:36Look,
35:38the chapter of
35:40negotiations has ended.
35:42If there was urgency,
35:44it was done.
35:46If there was no law,
35:48it was done.
35:50I told you not to cross the line.
35:52Let's move ahead.
35:54As far as Maulana and Sadr-e-Maudram
35:56are concerned,
35:58I am not privy to that.
36:00I do not know what happened.
36:02If Sadr-e-Maudram has said
36:04or not,
36:06Maulana has said something,
36:08I would like to comment on that.
36:10Very interesting.
36:12Thank you very much Irfan Siddiqui.
36:14It is always a pleasure having you in the program.
36:16We will come back after the break.
36:18We will discuss another important topic.
36:22Welcome back after the break.
36:24Viewers,
36:26where there is political instability in Pakistan,
36:28security issues get worse.
36:30Our political capital
36:32is spent on politics.
36:34Thinking about the country and the people
36:36is a waste of time.
36:38The reason for that
36:40is that our economic
36:42and security conditions get worse.
36:44It was a sad incident.
36:46At the same time, it was a success.
36:48I will present that to you.
36:50Balochistan is generating
36:52economic activity.
36:54I showed you the show of Rekodik
36:56a few days ago.
36:58Terrorists attacked in Kalat.
37:00In the attack,
37:02terrorists tried to block the roads.
37:04They tried to cut off the people.
37:06Security forces and law enforcement
37:08acted in a timely manner.
37:10They failed to deal with the terrorists.
37:12Basically,
37:14the terrorists closed the roads
37:16on the night between 31st January
37:18and 1st February.
37:20Due to the closure of the roads,
37:22the local population faced security threats.
37:24On top of that,
37:26their income and expenses
37:28were also badly impacted.
37:30Making sure of their security,
37:32our security forces killed
37:3412 terrorists.
37:3618 people from Balochistan
37:38and FCE
37:40were martyred.
37:42Remember,
37:44these 18 people
37:46are related
37:48to the families
37:50of the martyrs.
37:52They are not alone.
37:54After that incident,
37:56a new investigation was conducted
37:58in Hannai.
38:00After the Kalat terror attack,
38:02the terrorists were sent to hell.
38:04We have with us
38:06a defence expert,
38:08General Zahid Mehmood.
38:10Thank you very much
38:12for joining me in the program.
38:14It's a pleasure having you.
38:16Balochistan is a place
38:18where we have high hopes for the economy.
38:20Mines and minerals are being mined.
38:22Foreign investors are coming.
38:2418 people were martyred there.
38:26It's not a small number.
38:28Giving such a big sacrifice
38:30is not a small number.
38:32We were successful in bringing
38:34the terrorists to hell.
38:36But why are security issues
38:38suddenly becoming so volatile?
38:40You are right.
38:42There is a surge
38:44of terrorism in Balochistan.
38:46Balochistan's economic activity
38:48and context
38:50is like Pakistan.
38:52Balochistan is like
38:54a guarantee for Pakistan.
38:56Balochistan is like
38:58a guarantee for Pakistan.
39:00That is why
39:02Balochistan is being targeted.
39:04It's a huge sacrifice.
39:06First of all, we pay
39:08tribute to these martyrs.
39:10Pakistan's security forces,
39:12police,
39:14FCA, army
39:16are making history
39:18with their blood.
39:20There are a few reasons
39:22for the surge in Balochistan.
39:24First of all,
39:26we need to understand that
39:28Pakistan is a direct victim
39:30of proxy war and state-sponsored terrorism.
39:32I will clearly say that
39:34India, as a sponsor of this proxy war
39:36and state-sponsored terrorism,
39:38and in the form of clients,
39:40Afghanistan's Aburi government,
39:42I am not saying Afghanistan,
39:44but Afghanistan's Aburi government,
39:46and in the form of clients in Pakistan,
39:48TTP, BLA, BLF,
39:50Majeed Brigade,
39:52all of them have become part of this proxy war
39:54as their clients.
39:56The victim is Pakistan.
39:58Unfortunately, there are
40:00abators and supporters in Pakistan
40:02who are benefitting from this economic terrorism.
40:04The economy is attached to terrorism.
40:06A huge amount of money
40:08is attached to this.
40:10Trump has also said
40:12that as long as we have weapons,
40:14I have seen the US spending
40:16$7 billion on weapons.
40:18Yes, I have seen it.
40:20How can they be with the terrorists?
40:22Yes.
40:24This is the first question.
40:26The second question is
40:28how can we stop them?
40:30We have been in Pakistan for a long time.
40:32We were supposed to go to 80,000.
40:34Now we have gone to 90,000.
40:36The civilians, the police, the army
40:38have sacrificed.
40:40How long will this go on?
40:42Anika, this challenge remains
40:44in a protracted conflict.
40:46We need to understand the whole application.
40:48I don't want to put aside
40:50the house in order
40:52in Pakistan.
40:54I don't want to say that
40:56the response we are giving
40:58is a prompt response
41:00or a matching response
41:02to the threat.
41:04What should be the response?
41:06The whole of a nation approach,
41:08responsibility,
41:10the military and kinetic
41:12needs to be understood
41:14by the entire nation
41:16or the strategy is 40%
41:18and the rest is political.
41:20There needs to be a political response.
41:22There needs to be a socio-political
41:24improvement in the area.
41:26There needs to be a socio-economic development.
41:28These are the breeding grounds
41:30that are available to the people.
41:32They recruit the children
41:34and radicalize them.
41:36We need to address this
41:38with the whole of a nation approach.
41:40The war is fought by political leadership.
41:42The political leadership of Pakistan
41:44will have to take the responsibility.
41:46The military is its instrument.
41:48They will use it.
41:50The war is fought by the nation
41:52and the battles are fought by the army.
41:54In the kinetic,
41:56Pakistan is always
41:58giving a matching response
42:00not only in asymmetric warfare
42:02or the hybrid application.
42:04We have been facing India
42:06for more than 77 years.
42:08We have defeated Russia in the backyard.
42:10We have managed the Americans.
42:12India is not an ordinary country.
42:14This is what we need to understand.
42:16The response of the kinetic
42:18or the military
42:20is that they engage
42:22their targets at 11 am.
42:24If they do it with 5 bombs...
42:26They have already seen
42:28the fiasco in Valakot.
42:30They will not engage us directly.
42:32They will do it with a proxy.
42:34There is a problem.
42:36How will they tackle
42:38the issue of proxies and brainwashing?
42:40The military cannot do this.
42:42Is there a will in the political leadership
42:44to work together?
42:46The politics are being played here.
42:48It is a tug of war.
42:50I am a big supporter of democracy.
42:52I do not want to blame anyone
42:54as a defence analyst.
42:56But as a Pakistani,
42:58I want to ask
43:00that we enjoy the power
43:02that comes with power.
43:04But we do not implement
43:06the attached responsibility
43:08in a democratic way.
43:10We do not take that responsibility.
43:12So the whole of a nation
43:14whether it is a federal government
43:16or a government
43:18or a civil society
43:20we have to take
43:22a whole of a nation approach.
43:24Our popular systems
43:26like the Jirga system
43:28and our elders
43:30unfortunately
43:32we throw our dirty laundry
43:34towards the establishment
43:36Thank you very much.
43:38It was a pleasure having you.