In a more stringent measure to stifle Pakistan and make it pay for the terrorism it continues to unleash on Indian soil, the government on Friday formed a 3-step plan with regard to the Indus Waters Treaty to not allow any water to the neighbouring country.
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00:00Good evening. The U.S. Director of National Intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard, has hit out at the horrific Islamist terror attack at Pehlgaab in Jammu and Kashmir and said she stands in solidarity with India in our times of grief.
00:17Tulsi Gabbard is the Director of U.S. National Intelligence. She's their top spy director and she took to social media platform X to say, and I quote,
00:30We stand in solidarity with India in the wake of the horrific Islamist terrorist attack targeting and killing 26 Hindus in Pehlgaab.
00:44My prayers and deepest sympathies are with those who lost a loved one, Prime Minister Narendra Modi and with all the people of India.
00:53We are with you and support you as you hunt down those responsible for this venous attack, unquote.
01:02As the U.S. Director of National Intelligence, Gabbard's strong support actually reinforces the strategic partnership between the United States and India,
01:10particularly in the field of counter-terrorism.
01:14Her statement actually aligns with the broader U.S. commitment to back India's strong force for justice.
01:22Now, this is something that U.S. President Donald Trump has spoken of.
01:26This is something that Prime Minister Narendra Modi has repeatedly spoken of.
01:31And remember, Prime Minister Narendra Modi in Bihar, he pledged to track, trace and punish the perpetrators of terror wherever they may be hiding.
01:42Whichever part of earth, they'll be hunted down and brought to justice.
01:46We get you details of India-U.S. cooperation and partnership.
01:51We also get you details of the spike in tensions and reports of panic in Pakistan.
01:56Big story coming up. Big story on Indus Water's treaty and how it will impact Pakistan.
02:03I'm Gaurav Savant. We get you all these latest developments over the course of the next one hour.
02:07But as always, let's get started with the headlines on India first.
02:16India forms a three-step plan on Indus Water Treaty to stop flow of water to Pakistan.
02:23And capacity of dams along the Indus Basin rivers to be increased to store more water.
02:33India flexes its defense muscle.
02:36The Rafale fighter jets, the Mirage 2000 fighter jets and the Sukhoi-30 MKI air dominance fighters roar in India's powerful air drill.
02:45Navy tests the medium-range surface to air missile and the army intensifies its deep insertion ground exercises.
03:02Pakistan admits to dirty terror backing on camera.
03:06Pakistan's defense minister, Khwaja Asif, says, doing this dirty work for the U.S. and Western powers for over three decades.
03:22Supreme Court pulls up Rahul Gandhi for his remarks against Veer Savarkar.
03:28But state's summons says even Indira Gandhi had praised Vinayak Damodar Savarkar.
03:34Center files its affidavit in the Supreme Court on the VUKTH law.
03:44Government in reply to the Supreme Court says VUKTH by user only through registration of property.
03:51And two non-Muslim members will be allowed on the VUKTH board.
03:55Major development on the Indus Waters Treaty.
04:11India has decided to take decisive steps to ensure not a single drop of water is given to Pakistan.
04:18The decision was taken at a high-level meeting chaired by Union Home Minister Amit Shah and attended by Union Jal Shakti Minister C.R. Patil.
04:28Now, this was a meeting that was also attended by the External Affairs Minister, Dr. S. Jai Shankar.
04:35And after this meeting that lasted over two hours, India today has learned that Union Home Minister Amit Shah suggested several important points.
04:42And these important points are to be implemented very soon.
04:47The implementation will be done in a step-by-step manner.
04:51So, there is a three-pronged strategy.
04:53There are short-term measures that are to be undertaken.
04:56There are medium-term measures and long-term measures that will be undertaken.
05:00From what top government sources are telling India today,
05:03And we'll get our reporters on ground to join you for more on this big story.
05:08India's signal is very clear.
05:11India will not give Pakistan, and here I'm quoting top government officials and ministers.
05:17India won't give Pakistan even a single drop of water.
05:22Now, does this mean additional drop, both in their entitlement,
05:25when they say the treaty is being held in abeyance,
05:28what does this mean?
05:29We'll decode that.
05:30The decision to hold the Indus Water Treaty in abeyance will be implemented 100%.
05:39India has formally notified Pakistan in writing about the suspension of the Indus Waters Treaty.
05:45Secretary of the Ministry of Jal Shakti, Deva Sri Mukherjee,
05:50has shot off a letter to the Secretary of Pakistan's Ministry of Water Resources,
05:55Sayyad Ali Murtaza, on the Indian government's decision through a letter.
05:59And that letter we are putting out on your television screens,
06:02India has issued notice for changes in the Indus Waters Treaty.
06:07The letter states that Indian government has given notice to the Pakistani government
06:13for amendments to the treaty.
06:15The notice mentions that several fundamental aspects of the treaty have been changed,
06:20and require reconsideration.
06:22And what are these changes?
06:25Population changes, the development of clean energy,
06:29and various factors related to water distribution as outlined in the treaty.
06:34Any treaty should be implemented in good faith.
06:39And this is India making a very clear point to Pakistan.
06:43Any treaty should be implemented in good faith,
06:45but Pakistan is promoting cross-border terrorism in the Union Territory of Jammu and Kashmir.
06:52So, they kill our people, and this is the interpretation.
06:55They kill our people, and then they expect us to give them additional water,
06:59as per a treaty of 1960,
07:01which anyway was heavily loaded in favour of Pakistan.
07:05I want to quickly cut across to India Today's Himanshu Mishra,
07:09breaking this big story here on India Today.
07:13Himanshu, Indus Water Treaties ko,
07:16Sarkar نے tohye kaha, it'll be held in abeyance,
07:19yāni, isko sthagit kar diya jayega,
07:21ispər abhi karyanvayan nahi hooga.
07:23Yeh, joh, bohut mahatupoor, bethak hui hai,
07:26Grae Mantrali Amit Shah ke paas,
07:29jis meh videsh mantri bhi thai,
07:30jal shakti mantri bhi thai,
07:32jis meh kya kya nishkarsh nikal kar aya hai,
07:35aap hamaayre darsakoh ko kya batha sakti hai?
07:38Putnitik star par joh hai,
07:40bharat abh Pakistan ko gheer raha hai,
07:42aur isi silsle meh áj joh hai,
07:44Indus Water Treaties ko lhe kar joh hai,
07:46Grae Mantri Amit Shah ke saath,
07:47jal shakti mantri C.R. Patil ke baihtha koi,
07:49wahaan yeh treh hua ki tīn tariqe ke farmulis pe kama hooga,
07:53eek short farmule ke saath kaam hooga,
07:55eek mid term farmule pe kama hooga,
07:57eek long term farmule pe kama hooga,
07:59jis se eek bhi bhoom joh hai,
08:01paani aane wale dhinoh mein joh hai,
08:03woh Pakistan ke paas na jahe,
08:05PCS ka jo fesla tha,
08:06Indus Water Treaties ko paakistan ke saath,
08:09rad karne ka,
08:10usko lhe kar kal jal shakti mantri alay ke,
08:12joh sachiv hai,
08:13mukhar ji,
08:15unho ne patr likh diya,
08:16paakistan ke jal shakti sachiv ko,
08:19aur ab,
08:19aaj usko lhe kar eek fardar bethak ho gai,
08:23aur usfardar bethak me eek aagya,
08:24eek budh paani na jahe,
08:26usko lhe kar yeh bhi vikalt tlash te jah raha hai,
08:28ki bharat me,
08:29joh sindhu nadi hai,
08:32usko joh paani hai,
08:33usko jahada se jahada store karne ke liye,
08:35joh nai technology hai,
08:36uska istmaal kiya jahe,
08:37joh diesel hai,
08:39usko kiya jahe,
08:39saath me,
08:41joh world bank,
08:42dhek raha hai,
08:43ispure maamilie me,
08:44usko bhi joh hai,
08:45is treaty ko cancel karne ke,
08:47joh information hai,
08:48woh dhe di jaheegi,
08:49samei rehtte huye,
08:50to eek tariqe se,
08:51bharat poori tariqe se,
08:52joh hai,
08:52paakistan ke ufar nakeel kasna chata hai,
08:55aur bharat is baat ko bhali baati jahata hai,
08:57ki sindhu,
08:58jal sandhi joh hai,
09:00uske tahit,
09:01paakistan ko,
09:02agar yeh pani milna,
09:03band ho jahe ga,
09:04to paakistan ke anndar,
09:05joh hai,
09:05woh trahi trahi hooghi,
09:07usse,
09:07uske,
09:08joh jal jivan hai,
09:10uspe fark paalega,
09:12viparik star pe padega,
09:13arthik star pe padega,
09:14joh hai,
09:14woh fark paalega,
09:15aur aise weng,
09:16agar yeh,
09:17ti ti ti rad hooti hai,
09:18aur iska implementation,
09:19agle chay,
09:19mahinay mein hoota hai,
09:21to kaahi na kaahi,
09:21yeh,
09:21yeh,
09:21kaah saakti hai,
09:22ki paakistan ki,
09:23joh arth vivaas tha,
09:24aur jal jivan hai,
09:26uski kubad chute sakti hai,
09:27aur isi,
09:28nagariye se,
09:29agar aap dekhenge,
09:30to bharat tariqe se,
09:32har,
09:32moote par,
09:33pakistan ko gherna chaata hai,
09:35ah,
09:35kiunki,
09:36jis tariqe ka hamla huwa hai,
09:37muche lagta hai,
09:38ap,
09:39pakistan ko,
09:40usi bhaasha mein,
09:41javaab diya ja raha hai,
09:41joh bhaasha,
09:42pakistan,
09:42aur waha ke,
09:43ah,
09:44joh atan ki sanga chan hai,
09:45usko samasne ghi,
09:46thik,
09:47let's try,
09:48ah,
09:48himanshu,
09:48aap is khabar par,
09:49nazar banai rakhye,
09:50tazha jaan gari ke li,
09:51phir,
09:51mein aapke paas lot ka rahunga,
09:53joining me now on this special broadcast,
09:54is India Today's,
09:56Anisha Mathur,
09:57she'll give us a legal position on this,
09:59also with me on this special broadcast,
10:01Ambassador Veena Sikri,
10:02former top diplomat,
10:03and joining us from Pakistan,
10:05is senior journalist,
10:06Mona Alam,
10:07welcome to all my guests,
10:09let me try and understand,
10:11the legal position right now,
10:13from,
10:13Anisha Mathur,
10:15who joins me on this special broadcast,
10:17so,
10:17Anisha,
10:18India Today's access,
10:19this letter,
10:20that's been written,
10:22by,
10:23Debar Shri Mukherjee,
10:24who's secretary in the Jal Shakti,
10:26ministry,
10:27to,
10:27Sayyad Ali Murtaza,
10:28who's secretary,
10:29ministry of water resources,
10:31in Pakistan,
10:32and in this letter,
10:33I want to draw your attention,
10:35to point number three,
10:37as our viewers watch this letter,
10:39the obligation to honor a treaty,
10:41in good faith,
10:42is fundamental to a treaty,
10:45however,
10:46however,
10:47what we have seen,
10:49instead of,
10:49sustained cross-border terrorism,
10:53by Pakistan,
10:54targeting the union territory,
10:56of Jammu,
10:57and Kashmir,
10:59the resulting,
11:00security uncertainties,
11:02have directly,
11:03impeded,
11:03India's full utilization,
11:05of its rights,
11:05under the treaty,
11:06furthermore,
11:07apart from other breaches,
11:08committed by it,
11:10Pakistan has refused,
11:11to respond,
11:12to India's request,
11:13to enter into negotiations,
11:15as envisaged,
11:16under the treaty,
11:18and is thus,
11:19a breach,
11:20of the treaty,
11:21legally,
11:23Anisha,
11:23is India,
11:24on a strong,
11:26sound,
11:26legal footing,
11:27well,
11:29Gaurav,
11:29we'll have to see this,
11:31from the perspective,
11:31of international law,
11:33now,
11:33remember,
11:34India,
11:35and Pakistan,
11:36have signed this treaty,
11:37back in 1960,
11:38it has been,
11:39in force,
11:40and in fact,
11:41the Indus Water Treaty,
11:43has all,
11:43even been cited,
11:44across the world,
11:45as an example,
11:46of bilateral cooperation,
11:49but we've been speaking,
11:50to senior lawyers,
11:51we've been speaking,
11:52to people familiar,
11:53with the working,
11:54of this treaty,
11:54and the Indus Water,
11:56system,
11:57and how it's been working,
11:58all this while,
11:59and what is,
11:59what is very clear,
12:01is that India,
12:01is taking,
12:02a very nuanced stand,
12:05that,
12:06under the law,
12:07of treaties,
12:07under the international,
12:09convention,
12:09that is the Vienna,
12:10convention,
12:11on the law,
12:11of treaties,
12:12a country,
12:13is in fact,
12:14entitled,
12:15to either suspend,
12:17or unilaterally,
12:19cancel a treaty,
12:21if there is a,
12:22fundamental change,
12:24in circumstances,
12:25now that,
12:25is the,
12:26that is the,
12:28phrase,
12:28that India,
12:29will be using,
12:31whether it is,
12:32in the letters,
12:32that we are sending,
12:33to Pakistan,
12:34whether it is,
12:34the diplomatic,
12:36conversations,
12:38we will need to have,
12:39with other countries,
12:41or whether it is,
12:42discussions here,
12:43in the media,
12:44or elsewhere,
12:45India,
12:46is going to prove,
12:47that the treaty,
12:48in 1960,
12:49was signed,
12:49in the spirit,
12:50of cooperation,
12:51in the spirit,
12:52of friendship,
12:53and in these,
12:55intervening years,
12:56with the population,
12:57change,
12:57with environmental,
12:58changes,
12:59and most importantly,
13:01with the fact,
13:02that,
13:03Pakistan,
13:03has not cooperated,
13:05that Pakistan,
13:07is still,
13:08harboring,
13:09terrorists,
13:09in fact,
13:10supporting,
13:10the terror attacks,
13:11on India,
13:12this is,
13:13this constitute,
13:14a valid,
13:14fundamental,
13:15change,
13:16in circumstance,
13:17and that argument,
13:18that the senior lawyers,
13:20are telling us,
13:20will have to,
13:22be used,
13:23by India,
13:23on the international stage,
13:25stay with me,
13:25as I draw in,
13:26Mona,
13:26Alam,
13:27into this conversation,
13:28and Ambassador,
13:29Sikri,
13:29Mona,
13:30is it,
13:31sinking in,
13:32India,
13:33holding the,
13:34Indus Water Treaty,
13:35Waters Treaty,
13:36in abeyance,
13:37because,
13:38there's a fundamental,
13:39change,
13:40that has happened,
13:41that is,
13:42sustained,
13:43cross border,
13:44terrorism,
13:44by Pakistan,
13:45and perhaps,
13:46the message is,
13:47that,
13:49blood,
13:49of innocent Indians,
13:51cannot be spilt,
13:52by Pakistan,
13:53and then expect,
13:54that we will continue,
13:55to,
13:56generously give,
13:57more than Pakistan's,
13:58share of the water,
14:00thank you,
14:00Gaurab,
14:02I really like,
14:04the way,
14:04Anisha spoke,
14:05on the legal aspects,
14:07of the matter,
14:08I think,
14:09as far as I could,
14:10interpret from her conversation,
14:11she said that,
14:13you know,
14:13they're going to,
14:14you're going to build a case,
14:15in,
14:15you know,
14:16in the international fora,
14:18that,
14:18the friendship,
14:19on which the treaty,
14:20was signed,
14:21in the first place,
14:21does not exist,
14:22between India,
14:23and Pakistan,
14:24because of cross border,
14:26terrorism,
14:26by Pakistan,
14:28that still has,
14:29to be established,
14:30because there hasn't,
14:31been any,
14:32you know,
14:33fair inquiry,
14:33or investigation,
14:34into the matter,
14:35I think,
14:35because Pakistan,
14:36refuses to investigate,
14:38you know what,
14:39Gaurab,
14:39I think,
14:40my defense minister,
14:41has been on record,
14:42for,
14:43you know,
14:44expressing,
14:44condemnation,
14:46of the attack,
14:47and expressing sorrow,
14:49at the loss of lives,
14:49I haven't heard,
14:50a single Indian minister,
14:52express,
14:53any such sorrow,
14:54for the loss of lives,
14:56here,
14:56of innocence,
14:57in Balochistan,
14:57in fact,
14:58I've spoken about it,
14:59multiple times,
15:00with you,
15:00that India was,
15:02in jubilation,
15:03whenever that,
15:04innocents were being attacked,
15:06slaughtered,
15:06here in Pakistan,
15:07so,
15:08I'm happy to note,
15:09and I second,
15:11the defense minister,
15:11in this,
15:12I'm very sad,
15:12for the incident,
15:13which has happened,
15:14it has indeed,
15:15caused,
15:15loss of innocent lives,
15:17but it has nothing,
15:18to do with Pakistan,
15:19I mean,
15:20as far as I have gathered,
15:22I have gathered,
15:22my neutral information,
15:23on the matter,
15:24and I think,
15:25it seriously needs a trope,
15:26as to whether,
15:27this was from Pakistan,
15:28or,
15:29this was a false flag operation,
15:31false flag operation,
15:32is a bogey,
15:33floated by Pakistan,
15:34it actually,
15:34you know,
15:35it's adding,
15:36it's adding salt,
15:37to our wounds,
15:39you know,
15:39the collective psyche,
15:40of Indians,
15:41is so,
15:42shaken,
15:43by,
15:44not yours,
15:45not yours,
15:45but in general,
15:46Pakistan's,
15:47absolute shamelessness,
15:50absolute shamelessness,
15:51of Pakistan,
15:52I don't mean it,
15:53personally,
15:53in your instance,
15:54because,
15:55you know,
15:55I want to understand,
15:57such a radical,
15:59Islamist,
15:59state sponsor,
16:00of terrorism,
16:01that Pakistan is,
16:02there's absolutely,
16:04you know,
16:05it's just shocking,
16:06shocking,
16:07I want to bring an ambassador,
16:08secretly,
16:08into this conversation,
16:09because I don't intend,
16:10getting into a,
16:11tootu mehmeh,
16:12slanging match,
16:13when I have seen,
16:14those videos,
16:15of Hindus,
16:17being singled out,
16:18by radical,
16:19Islamist terrorists,
16:20and shot dead,
16:21at point blank range,
16:23I have also,
16:24lived through,
16:251990,
16:26Ambassador Sikri,
16:27Ambassador Sikri,
16:28I have lived through,
16:291990,
16:30where,
16:31mosque loudspeakers,
16:32and,
16:33I have read,
16:33those reports,
16:34Raliv,
16:35Ghaliv,
16:35ya Saliv,
16:36you know,
16:37when Hindus,
16:37were thrown out,
16:38of Kashmir,
16:39so we have seen,
16:40mass exodus,
16:40in our own country,
16:41and I am sorry,
16:42I don't intend,
16:44seeing,
16:44another mass exodus,
16:45from within our country,
16:46at least not,
16:46in our lifetimes,
16:48Ambassador Sikri,
16:49is India,
16:50on the right track,
16:50on Indus water treaties,
16:52perhaps sending that message,
16:53that blood and water,
16:54cannot flow together,
16:56absolutely,
16:57India is totally,
16:58on the right track,
16:59and also,
16:59I must say,
17:00I am quite shocked,
17:01to see what,
17:02your colleague,
17:03from Pakistan is saying,
17:04they seem to be,
17:05in complete denial,
17:06they are not even,
17:07talking about,
17:07the Indus waters treaty,
17:08as though,
17:09it doesn't exist,
17:10or,
17:11as though the decision,
17:12that Indian government,
17:13has announced,
17:13hasn't taken place at all,
17:15so they are living,
17:15in complete denial,
17:16and,
17:17they are not even,
17:18recognizing,
17:19the seriousness,
17:20in which the Indian government,
17:21is taking the situation,
17:22and,
17:23the way in which,
17:24we are planning,
17:25we are saying,
17:25within,
17:27India has every right,
17:29to take the steps,
17:30that is now,
17:30planning to take,
17:31the letter,
17:32worded by the,
17:33Secretary,
17:34Jal Shakti Ministry,
17:36is very carefully,
17:37worded,
17:37very correctly,
17:38worded,
17:39and makes it very clear,
17:40that the situation,
17:42is being brought about,
17:43entirely,
17:43because,
17:44of what Pakistan,
17:45has been doing,
17:46all these years,
17:47and,
17:47of course,
17:48terrorism is one,
17:48very big factor,
17:49and to be in denial,
17:51not only on the,
17:51Indian waters treaty,
17:52but also about the,
17:53you know,
17:54Lashkar-e-Taiba,
17:54being responsible,
17:55for this attack,
17:56everybody,
17:56the whole world over,
17:57is talking about that,
17:59in parlor,
18:00across the world,
18:00in UK,
18:01they are talking about,
18:02Lashkar-e-Taiba,
18:03being responsible,
18:04for this,
18:04or one element of their,
18:05one group among their,
18:06and here in Pakistan,
18:08which is the home,
18:08of the Lashkar-e-Taiba,
18:09they are in complete denial,
18:10so it's very,
18:11unreal,
18:12you know,
18:13surreal kind of conversation,
18:14It indeed is,
18:15and it's actually,
18:15very hurtful,
18:16I'll tell you why Mona,
18:18Hafiz Mohammed Said,
18:20lives in Pakistan,
18:21in Mureed Ke,
18:23he's a Pakistani citizen,
18:25many say,
18:25a well-respected,
18:26Pakistani citizen,
18:27there are also,
18:28those who've seen him,
18:29lead the Eid Namaz,
18:30at the Gaddafi stadium,
18:32so can you imagine Mona,
18:33a UN designated,
18:35banned terrorist,
18:36leading Eid Namaz,
18:37at Gaddafi stadium,
18:39or that,
18:39Mawlana of Terror,
18:40Masood Azhar,
18:41Jaisem Mohammed,
18:42is a terrorist organization,
18:43again UN designated,
18:45banned terrorist organization,
18:46operating out of Pakistan,
18:48and,
18:48you know,
18:49such a long list,
18:50the United Nations sanctions,
18:521267 committee,
18:54largest number of sanctioned terrorists,
18:56live in your country,
18:57tell me this Mona,
18:58as,
18:59a citizen of Pakistan,
19:01does that upset you,
19:02or does that not upset you,
19:04that the largest number of terrorists,
19:06on that sanctions committee,
19:08live in Pakistan,
19:09I think,
19:12what upsets me further,
19:13is the fact that,
19:14you know,
19:15all of this is,
19:16complete deviation,
19:17I think this is a very,
19:17generic,
19:18kind of,
19:19tirade against Pakistan,
19:21because,
19:22it's a fact,
19:22how can it be a tirade,
19:23you know what,
19:24let me finish now,
19:25it seems as though,
19:26you know,
19:26you're trying to throw everything,
19:28on Pakistan,
19:28hoping that something,
19:29would stick,
19:30right,
19:30I am not throwing it,
19:31I am not hoping,
19:32Mona,
19:33as far as,
19:34I am concerned,
19:35Pakistan,
19:36is a state,
19:37sponsor,
19:38of,
19:39radical Islamist terror,
19:41I don't need to be convinced,
19:42I don't think,
19:43any Indian,
19:44needs to be convinced,
19:45anymore,
19:46especially after,
19:47we have lived through,
19:482611 Mumbai terror attacks,
19:50Ajmal Amir Kassab,
19:52came from Fareed court,
19:52in Pakistan,
19:53do you deny that,
19:54am I trying to,
19:55make something stick,
19:56the other nine terrorists,
19:57came from Pakistan,
19:59David Coleman Headley,
20:00is of Pakistani origin,
20:02Captain Tahovar Hussain Rana,
20:03is of Pakistani origin,
20:05Osama bin Laden,
20:06was killed in Abbottabad,
20:07in Pakistan,
20:09it sounds like,
20:10you know,
20:11I,
20:11let me,
20:12let me take this point,
20:14because you,
20:15you,
20:16you kind of,
20:17you know,
20:18you kind of throw everything at me,
20:19I'd say it again,
20:20and hoping that something,
20:21or the other would stick,
20:22right,
20:22let me take it point by point,
20:24and if you don't allow me,
20:25the time to take it point by point,
20:26then this simply means,
20:27that this is just a tirade,
20:29it's a rhetoric,
20:29but,
20:30you know what,
20:31I want to make a point,
20:32Madam Ambassador,
20:33has spoken about,
20:34the nature of the treaty,
20:35and that Pakistan,
20:36seems to be living in denial,
20:38Madam Ambassador,
20:39I think,
20:40if I tell you,
20:41and if I speak for the sentiment,
20:43here in Pakistan,
20:43regarding this treaty,
20:45we've made it very clear,
20:46that this will be taken,
20:47as an act of war,
20:48and this will be taken,
20:49in the ambit,
20:50of water terrorism,
20:51if India,
20:52dares to take,
20:54any such measures,
20:55dare say,
20:55lay liya,
20:57held in advance,
20:57Gaurav,
20:58no,
20:59no,
20:59no,
20:59no,
20:59no,
20:59no,
20:59no,
20:59no,
21:00Gaurav,
21:00if you want to,
21:01practically,
21:01if you want to block,
21:04waters of Pakistan,
21:05then it,
21:06you will have to construct,
21:07some dams,
21:08it's going to take decades,
21:09and even if you do,
21:10I've spoken to some ministers,
21:12here at the head of affairs,
21:13they're saying,
21:14we are very well,
21:14in the position,
21:15to bomb those dams,
21:16I mean,
21:17they've gone to this extent,
21:18they're actually,
21:19warning India,
21:20of this dire circumstances,
21:22if India does,
21:23any such misadventure,
21:25okay,
21:25ambassador,
21:26Sikri wants to come in,
21:27because,
21:28clearly your ministers,
21:29live in cuckoo land,
21:30they live in cuckoo land,
21:32because,
21:32you dare do that,
21:33you know,
21:34then Pakistan,
21:35will face consequences,
21:37and your power kilo bum,
21:38will not save you,
21:40trust me on this,
21:41ambassador,
21:41Sikri wanted to come in,
21:42it's an impractical,
21:43you know,
21:44solution or narrative,
21:46that you're just,
21:46selling to your domestic audience,
21:48No,
21:48my channel is watched,
21:49more in your country,
21:50and across the world,
21:52my domestic audience,
21:53anyway is convinced,
21:54but go on ambassador,
21:54Sikri.
21:55No,
21:56I am not going to come on your show,
21:57again,
21:57if you're going to have discussions,
21:58like this,
21:59this is completely unacceptable,
22:00it's a Sikri only ambassador,
22:01you're giving,
22:02going on and on and on,
22:03giving face to a person,
22:05who is talking complete,
22:06irrelevant stuff,
22:07I mean,
22:08as I said,
22:08I just said,
22:09that the world is accepting,
22:10that this is the attack,
22:11by Lashkar Taiba,
22:12yes,
22:13everybody in the world,
22:14and here you have a person,
22:15saying that,
22:15this is not true,
22:16and you're giving the person time,
22:17again and again and again,
22:18what is this all about,
22:20what is this all about,
22:21Gaurav?
22:22It is to expose,
22:23such elements,
22:24that thinking,
22:25but go on ambassador,
22:26I would like to,
22:27I would like to say,
22:29that the attack,
22:30on innocent pilgrims,
22:32in itself,
22:32was an act of war,
22:34there is no other act of war,
22:36beyond that,
22:37what we are doing,
22:37is looking within our complete rights,
22:39we have explained everything,
22:41to the counterpart,
22:42in the Pakistan government,
22:44about why we are doing,
22:45what we are doing,
22:46everything has been properly explained,
22:47and it is the act of war,
22:50committed by,
22:51the terrorists,
22:52on innocent Indian pilgrims,
22:53that has gone on,
22:54started off on this track,
22:56and we want to say,
22:57that the only effort,
22:59India should be making,
23:00now,
23:00this water is going to happen,
23:01on its own,
23:01there are meetings being held,
23:03there is no,
23:03they shouldn't dream,
23:04about building dams,
23:05there are so many provisions,
23:06in the treaty,
23:07which we were not even,
23:08implementing,
23:09because of,
23:09problems raised,
23:11by the Pakistan side,
23:12I have seen the analysis,
23:13in the Dawn newspaper itself,
23:15which expresses,
23:16this real concern,
23:17about the,
23:18even a 5 to 10 percent,
23:19shortage in water supply,
23:20from the western river,
23:22and what impact,
23:23it will have on Pakistan,
23:24so I would request you,
23:26Goddard,
23:26please,
23:26next time you call me,
23:27on your show,
23:28please don't have a discussion,
23:29like this,
23:29because this is not acceptable,
23:30to me,
23:30no I completely agree with you,
23:32but ambassador,
23:33I also want Indians,
23:34to know what's happening,
23:35on the other side of the hill,
23:36because you are,
23:37way too long,
23:38hold on,
23:39hold on,
23:39hold on,
23:39that is the only effort,
23:43we should be working on,
23:44with our international community,
23:45who have expressed,
23:46so much sympathy,
23:47and interest,
23:48for India,
23:49and sympathy for India,
23:50in this way,
23:51Pakistan is a state sponsor,
23:52of terror,
23:53and the sooner,
23:54it is declared so,
23:55by the international community,
23:56the better it will be,
23:57I will not have to listen,
23:58to all this kind of stuff,
23:59on your show,
24:00I completely agree with you,
24:02no but my only,
24:03my limited point is ambassador,
24:05we must know,
24:05what is the thought process,
24:07on the other side,
24:08it is very important,
24:10because I will tell you,
24:11why I want to put this out,
24:12we have too many of these,
24:13Aman ki Asha types,
24:14in our country,
24:16too many,
24:16we have too many,
24:17in our country,
24:18who are also on,
24:21who are beholden,
24:22to the Gulaam Nabi Fais,
24:24you and I know them ambassador,
24:26but our country at large,
24:27doesn't,
24:28and that is why,
24:29I want our country to know,
24:31what we are dealing with,
24:33when an educated,
24:34but you can't,
24:35have somebody saying,
24:36something exactly,
24:37the opposite of the truth,
24:38all the time,
24:39all the time,
24:39in a real global fashion,
24:40that if you repeat it,
24:41often enough,
24:42it will become the truth,
24:43it doesn't happen like that,
24:44it doesn't happen like that,
24:45we have to talk about it,
24:46I agree with you,
24:47but to stay on the substantive point,
24:48on the debate,
24:49Ambassador Sikri,
24:50before I bring in Mona Alam,
24:52and I want you to,
24:53Ambassador Sikri,
24:55tell our Pakistani guest,
24:56and the world at large,
24:59the reactions,
25:00that are coming in,
25:01from the United States of America,
25:03from the United Kingdom,
25:04from countries like,
25:07Israel,
25:08countries like,
25:09you know,
25:09across the world,
25:10Germany,
25:11Australia,
25:12world over,
25:12the reactions that are coming in,
25:14Ambassador Sikri,
25:15vis-a-vis,
25:16Pakistan's,
25:16false fake narrative,
25:18because,
25:19Pakistan doesn't seem to care,
25:20and I want to know why,
25:21but go on Ambassador Sikri,
25:23what does that indicate?
25:24Well,
25:25I can tell you one thing,
25:26about what the Pakistani,
25:27defence minister said today,
25:28they actually revealed,
25:29that we are supporting,
25:30these groups,
25:31because we are doing,
25:32the best dirty work,
25:33so they actually revealed,
25:35that yes,
25:35these groups are there,
25:36number one,
25:37and number two,
25:38the Pakistan government,
25:38is supporting them,
25:39they actually revealed that today,
25:40so I don't know,
25:41what your colleague,
25:42from across the border,
25:43is trying to say,
25:43that we don't know,
25:44what this is,
25:44and we do inquiries,
25:45he actually admitted it,
25:47in a press conference today,
25:48so why are we even talking,
25:49about the fact of,
25:51you know,
25:51Lashkar-e-Taiba,
25:52not being there,
25:53or being there,
25:53we know,
25:54the world knows,
25:55Pakistan defence minister,
25:56has admitted,
25:57that we support these groups,
25:58because they are doing,
25:58the best dirty work,
25:59and I am telling you,
26:00you are absolutely right,
26:01there is a huge amount,
26:02of support coming in,
26:03because the world community,
26:06Israel,
26:06USA,
26:07who have tremendous,
26:08capabilities of,
26:09intelligence gathering,
26:10and tremendous capabilities,
26:11of knowing,
26:13what is the situation,
26:13on the ground,
26:14these countries,
26:15are completely,
26:16accepting that yes,
26:17these were Lashkar-e-Taiba terrorists,
26:19and they have come,
26:20and killed innocent,
26:21tourists,
26:22and this is unacceptable,
26:23and they fully realise,
26:25what India is saying,
26:26Pulsi Gabar's message,
26:27is worth reading,
26:28the one she sent today,
26:29and I think we have to,
26:30base ourselves on this,
26:32and take action on that,
26:34the Indus-Warris Treaty,
26:35is a very brilliant first step,
26:37for 15 years,
26:38it is being discussed in India,
26:39and today,
26:40I am very glad,
26:41that the government,
26:41has taken this decision,
26:42because it was such an unequal treaty,
26:44and not only being unequal,
26:46it was being implemented,
26:47in a completely one-sided fashion,
26:49where India,
26:50put pressure upon,
26:51to give up all its rights,
26:53under the treaty,
26:53and even what we were doing,
26:55in terms of run of the river projects,
26:57and so on,
26:57we were being stopped,
26:58because the design was being checked,
26:59or the working of it,
27:00was being checked,
27:01so all this has made us decide,
27:03that we are going to stop,
27:05and keep in abeyance,
27:06the Indus-Warris Treaty,
27:07and step by step,
27:08by step,
27:08as our client,
27:09in the meeting,
27:10chaired by,
27:11Home Minister Amit Shah today,
27:13we are going to make sure,
27:14that we are able,
27:15to use the waters,
27:16for the benefit,
27:17of the people of India,
27:17and not,
27:18absolutely,
27:19yes,
27:20and I think,
27:20that we must work,
27:22on this getting,
27:23Pakistan declared,
27:23a state sponsor of terror,
27:25of getting the,
27:25before we work,
27:27on getting,
27:27Pakistan declared,
27:28a state sponsor of terror,
27:30shouldn't we declare,
27:31Pakistan a state sponsor,
27:32of terror,
27:33officially,
27:34because you know,
27:34we have somebody,
27:35in Bollywood,
27:36who will still invite,
27:37a Pakistani,
27:37movie star,
27:39we will have somebody,
27:39who will still invite,
27:40a Pakistani musician,
27:41and then,
27:43we will say,
27:44but the government,
27:44hasn't declared,
27:45Pakistan a terrorist state,
27:46so we have so many,
27:47weaknesses within,
27:49that we need to sort out,
27:50it seems,
27:50but Mona Alam,
27:52you know,
27:53irrespective of what,
27:54your political friend,
27:55or minister told you,
27:57that they think,
27:58that they can bomb India,
27:59I am sure they can,
28:00but then you know,
28:01they also think,
28:01of Gazway Hind,
28:03and Pakistan has lived,
28:04in this cuckoo land,
28:05of Gazway Hind,
28:06since 1947,
28:07they haven't succeeded,
28:08but be that as it may,
28:10how does,
28:11Indus water treaties,
28:13in you know,
28:14the waters treaty,
28:14in case,
28:15India just utilize,
28:16what is rightfully ours,
28:18how does that impact Pakistan?
28:21Look,
28:21Baurav,
28:22I think,
28:22I was just trying,
28:23to make a point,
28:23that you,
28:24even if you want,
28:25to hold it in abeyance,
28:26or suspend it,
28:27it will not be done,
28:28overnight,
28:29I mean,
28:29you cannot stop,
28:30overflow,
28:31flows of water,
28:32practically speaking,
28:33until and unless,
28:34you build a dam,
28:35or you try to divert,
28:36that flow elsewhere,
28:37this is what,
28:37I was all talking about,
28:39and I,
28:40There is a lot more,
28:40that you will learn,
28:41in the next couple of weeks,
28:42but go on,
28:43go on Mona.
28:43Yeah,
28:43that said,
28:44you can,
28:44you can give your best,
28:46you can,
28:46all the best to you rather,
28:47in fact,
28:48I would wish you the best,
28:48in whatever that you want to do,
28:50we will respond,
28:51in a much,
28:53you know,
28:53aggressive manner,
28:54that,
28:54that I can assure you of,
28:56whatever that ambassador,
28:57was speaking about,
28:58I just want to make,
28:59a respectful point to her,
29:00I respectfully,
29:02just made my point,
29:03I spoke to her,
29:04in extremely polite manner,
29:06but I think,
29:07Sure,
29:07but you know,
29:08in India,
29:08we don't like it,
29:09we seriously don't,
29:11when Pakistan,
29:11remains in denial,
29:13if Hafiz Saeed,
29:14is a chicha,
29:15in Pakistan,
29:16he may be,
29:16Pakistan's chacha,
29:18then Indians should know,
29:19that we should not be dealing,
29:21when you are chacha,
29:22and thupar,
29:22Hafiz Saeed,
29:23and Masood Azhar,
29:24I was just,
29:25No,
29:26I want you to understand this Mona,
29:28if Hafiz Saeed,
29:29is your chacha,
29:30and if Masood Azhar,
29:31is your thupar,
29:32then we should know,
29:33that everybody in Pakistan,
29:35is just a 50 shade,
29:36of Hafiz Saeed,
29:37whether you are educated,
29:38or illiterate,
29:39your army chief,
29:41and Hafiz Saeed,
29:42speak the same language,
29:43but perhaps,
29:44that's the point,
29:45that's the point,
29:46I want every Indian to know,
29:47I told you,
29:47once in our debate as well,
29:49that he just spoke about,
29:50two nation theory,
29:51it's a theory,
29:52which is globally taught,
29:53in schools,
29:53across the globe,
29:55by Muhammad Ali Jidup,
29:56two nation theory,
29:57flopped,
29:57it flopped,
29:58when Bangladesh,
29:59became an independent country,
30:00it flopped,
30:01it flopped,
30:02when Afghanistan,
30:03started beating,
30:03Pakistan Ambassador Sikri,
30:05it is taught globally,
30:06only in,
30:07Pakistani madrasas,
30:09it's only taught,
30:10in Pakistani madrasas,
30:11it seems,
30:12Ambassador Sikri,
30:12Yes,
30:13I would like to say one thing,
30:14two things,
30:15about since,
30:16your colleague from across the border,
30:18is referring to the statement,
30:19made by,
30:20the chief of army staff,
30:21who is also known as,
30:22Maulana Asim Mir,
30:24that you know,
30:25the two nations,
30:26far from being taught,
30:27far from being taught,
30:29in schools,
30:30all across the world,
30:31is being said clearly,
30:32that when Bangladesh was formed,
30:34the two nations theory,
30:34was shattered,
30:35number one,
30:35and number two,
30:37I think,
30:38to see the way,
30:39in which,
30:40the expression of hatred,
30:42against people,
30:43of a certain religion,
30:44of the Hindus,
30:45living in India,
30:46expressed by the,
30:47chief of army staff,
30:48of Pakistan,
30:50horrendous to watch,
30:51a person of that stature,
30:53when you are supposed to say,
30:54talk about making friendship,
30:55and the person of that stature,
30:57expressing,
30:58personal hatred,
30:59on the basis of a religion,
31:00and saying it to people,
31:02of Pakistani,
31:03or in that matter,
31:04what does it say,
31:05about the nation of Pakistan,
31:07what does it say,
31:07it's a failed radical,
31:08Islamist terror state,
31:09they want to be recognized,
31:10in the community of leaders,
31:12or do they want to spread,
31:13the hatred among their people,
31:15it survives,
31:16it survives,
31:17and begging bowl,
31:18and that's the point,
31:19I want every Indian to know,
31:21it's a radical,
31:22Islamist terror state,
31:24most of these people,
31:26you know,
31:26you speak to,
31:27they may be very suave,
31:29and seriously,
31:30very suave,
31:31Oxbridge accents,
31:33everything,
31:33scratch beneath the surface,
31:36bring up Kashmir,
31:38talk about Indus Waters Treaty,
31:40and they are 50 shades,
31:42of Hafiz Saeed,
31:43trust me,
31:44I have seen this,
31:45over decades,
31:46reporting,
31:47on Pakistan state sponsor,
31:49radical Islamist terror,
31:50and we'll track this story,
31:51very closely,
31:52I want our viewers,
31:53to know,
31:53why this Indus Waters Treaty,
31:55is so crucial,
31:56in terms of,
31:57why Pakistan is panicking,
31:59Ambassador Sikri,
32:00and Mona Alam,
32:01for joining me here,
32:01on India First,
32:03many thanks,
32:05I now want to talk,
32:06about the Indus Waters Treaty,
32:08holding the Indus Waters Treaty,
32:10in abeyance,
32:11is Pakistan's,
32:12worst fear,
32:13coming true,
32:14worst fear,
32:15Pakistan's,
32:16state sponsored,
32:17radical Islamist terrorists,
32:18singling out,
32:19Hindu tourists,
32:20and killing them,
32:21at point blank range,
32:22in cold blood,
32:23has angered,
32:24the nation,
32:25and Prime Minister,
32:26Narendra Modi,
32:27is very clearly,
32:28sending out a signal,
32:30water for Pakistan,
32:31is not more precious,
32:33than the blood,
32:34of innocent Indians,
32:36that Pakistani terrorists,
32:38backed by the Pakistani state,
32:40have been spilling,
32:41for decades,
32:43so what does,
32:44holding the treaty,
32:45in abeyance mean,
32:46let me explain this,
32:48it means,
32:49no meetings,
32:50of the Indus Waters,
32:52commissioners,
32:53it means,
32:54no data sharing,
32:55with Pakistan,
32:56no advance information,
32:58of any new projects,
33:00along the Indus rivers,
33:02to be given to Pakistan,
33:04India,
33:05can now,
33:05build dams,
33:06improve dams,
33:08without any objection,
33:09from Pakistan,
33:10or even if there's any objection,
33:12India will not care,
33:13because the treaty,
33:13is held in abeyance,
33:15it's actually good,
33:17as,
33:17one,
33:18analyst told me,
33:20for the speedy,
33:21development,
33:22of Jammu and Kashmir,
33:23remember,
33:24Chief Minister,
33:25Omar Abdullah,
33:26has also said,
33:27the Indus Waters Treaty,
33:29the way it was signed,
33:30in 1960,
33:31was unfair,
33:32to the people,
33:33of Jammu and Kashmir,
33:34so no field visits,
33:36of Pakistani officials,
33:38to the Indus Waters Treaty,
33:40to all these rivers,
33:41no publication,
33:43of any annual report,
33:45so when none of this happens,
33:46what would that entail,
33:48what does that mean,
33:48it means Pakistan,
33:50will slowly have no visibility,
33:52on the Indus water management,
33:54Pakistan's agriculture sector,
33:56which according to some reports,
33:58from Pakistan,
33:59accounts for approximately,
34:0024% of Pakistan's GDP,
34:02and,
34:03employs,
34:04about 40% of Pakistani workforce,
34:07is heavily dependent,
34:08on the Indus river system,
34:10around 80% of Pakistan's,
34:12cultivated land,
34:13which is approximately,
34:1516 million hectares,
34:16according to reports in Pakistan,
34:18relies extensively,
34:20on the waters,
34:20from the western rivers,
34:22which is,
34:23Indus,
34:25Jhelum,
34:25and Chinab,
34:26for irrigation,
34:27specially,
34:28in Pakistan's Punjab,
34:30and Sindh provinces,
34:32but that's not all,
34:33several Pakistani cities,
34:35including,
34:35Lahore,
34:36Karachi,
34:37and Islamabad,
34:38depend on the Indus waters,
34:39for the domestic water supply,
34:42so any reduction,
34:43in the river flow,
34:44will also lead,
34:46to water shortages,
34:47in cities,
34:49Pakistan relies,
34:50on the Indus system,
34:51for hydroelectric power,
34:53with dams like,
34:54Tarbela and Mangla,
34:56contributing,
34:56very significantly,
34:58to Pakistan's,
34:59national electricity grid,
35:01reduced water flows,
35:03could impair,
35:05power generation,
35:06and this,
35:07would lead to,
35:07energy shortages,
35:08and economic disruptions,
35:10in Pakistan,
35:11so it's not just,
35:13their agriculture,
35:13it's their economy,
35:15it's also,
35:16urban living,
35:17rural living,
35:18urban living,
35:19and,
35:20their industries,
35:22now Pakistan,
35:22has to decide,
35:24is terror,
35:24more important for them,
35:26or is water,
35:27more important for them,
35:28the ball,
35:29is in Pakistan's court,
35:32now,
35:32in the wake,
35:33of this deadly,
35:34Pehelgam terror attack,
35:35by Pakistan's,
35:36state sponsored,
35:37radical Islamist terrorists,
35:39India,
35:39has pledged,
35:41there will be,
35:42a strong response,
35:43Prime Minister,
35:44Narendra Modi's warning,
35:46has sent shockwaves,
35:47across Pakistan,
35:49it's triggered,
35:50red alerts,
35:51it's triggered,
35:52frantic military activity,
35:54and Pakistan's ministers,
35:56are now on camera,
35:57admitting,
35:58yes,
35:58they had ties,
35:59with terror,
36:00and of course,
36:01there are reports,
36:01of firing along,
36:02the LOC,
36:04speculative fire,
36:04so Pakistan is panicking,
36:06any time,
36:07they hear,
36:08any movement at night,
36:09and these are reports,
36:10that came from last night,
36:11any movement heard,
36:13Pakistanis would open fire,
36:14suspecting,
36:15this is where the surgical strike,
36:16is coming from,
36:18so this is Pakistan's fear,
36:20any fighter jet,
36:21taking off in India,
36:22Pakistan would scramble,
36:23multiple fighter jets,
36:25so they're exhausting,
36:25their fuel,
36:26which they can ill afford to do,
36:27there is exhausting,
36:28flying hours,
36:29on their aircraft,
36:30airframe life,
36:32their engine life,
36:33everything's being reduced,
36:34but anyways,
36:34well it's their funeral,
36:36tension in Pakistan,
36:37is escalating,
36:39and how,
36:39we get to more,
36:40in this report.
36:48India has vowed,
36:50strong retaliatory action,
36:51in Pakistan,
36:52after the Pehelgaam,
36:53terror attack.
37:01Prime Minister,
37:02Narendra Modi's pledge,
37:03to punish supporters,
37:04of terror on Thursday,
37:05sent shockwaves,
37:07across Pakistan,
37:08its military,
37:10is on red alert,
37:11and is anticipating,
37:13a retaliatory strike,
37:14from India,
37:15in panic,
37:16multiple incidents,
37:17of firing by Pakistan,
37:18have been reported,
37:20along the line of control,
37:21non-stop jet activity,
37:25non-stop jet activity,
37:26at the crucial,
37:27Kamra airbase,
37:28signals that,
37:29Pakistan is bracing,
37:30for impact.
37:33Amid all this,
37:34Pakistan's defense minister,
37:36Kwajah Asif,
37:37made a shocking admission,
37:39of Pakistan's role,
37:40in terror activities.
37:41We have been doing,
37:43this dirty work,
37:44for United States,
37:45for about three decades,
37:46you know,
37:47and west,
37:48including Britain.
37:50Even as they admit,
37:52they're rolling global terror,
37:53Pakistan's foreign minister,
37:55issued threats,
37:56against India,
37:56in parliament.
37:57The Pahalgaam attack,
38:13was one of the deadliest,
38:14in recent memory,
38:15and is now pushing,
38:16the region,
38:17closer to a breaking point.
38:22When military maneuvers,
38:24underway,
38:24and diplomatic ties,
38:25fraying,
38:26the threat of escalation,
38:28looms large.
38:29Vishwani Sharma,
38:30Bureau Report,
38:31India Today.
38:39News coming in,
38:40the Defense Research,
38:41and Development Organizations,
38:44Development Laboratory,
38:45the DRDL,
38:46in Hyderabad,
38:47has successfully,
38:48conducted the ground testing,
38:50of an active,
38:51cool scramjet,
38:52subscale,
38:54combustor,
38:54for over,
38:551,000 seconds,
38:57and this is,
38:57about 16 minutes plus,
38:59that's a major development,
39:01that is taking place,
39:03this test,
39:04was held,
39:04at the newly built,
39:06Scramjet Connect,
39:07test facility,
39:08and this marks,
39:09a significant leap,
39:10in hypersonic,
39:11weapon technology,
39:13following,
39:14an earlier,
39:15120 second,
39:17test,
39:17in January,
39:18so that was,
39:19120 seconds,
39:20test earlier,
39:21it's,
39:211,000 seconds,
39:22now,
39:23that's a major leap,
39:24for now,
39:25the achievement,
39:26validates,
39:26the design,
39:27and the endurance,
39:28of the scramjet,
39:30combustor,
39:30now that's the core,
39:31component,
39:32of the hypersonic,
39:33cruise missile,
39:34and why is this,
39:35so significant,
39:36because,
39:37we all know,
39:38supersonic fighters,
39:39that fly,
39:40faster,
39:41than the,
39:42the sound,
39:42the speed of sound,
39:44when you talk about,
39:45hypersonic,
39:46that's actually,
39:46five times,
39:47more than five times,
39:48the speed of sound,
39:50that's almost like,
39:52more than 6,100 kilometers,
39:54per hour,
39:54and that's significant,
39:56in new generation,
39:57new age warfare,
39:59so there is no,
39:59interceptor,
40:00that can stop,
40:01a hypersonic missile,
40:02that's coming your way,
40:02because it will come in,
40:03so rapidly,
40:04so swiftly,
40:05now these missiles,
40:07they actually rely on,
40:08air breathing engines,
40:09with supersonic consumption,
40:11for long duration flights,
40:12and the,
40:13and the distances,
40:14that they travel,
40:15and in quick time,
40:16so this success,
40:17we are told,
40:18is a result,
40:18of those,
40:19collaborative efforts,
40:20between the,
40:21defense research,
40:22and development organization,
40:23the industry,
40:24and universities,
40:26that are working,
40:27with the,
40:28defense research,
40:29and development organization,
40:30and that's,
40:31extremely significant,
40:33so this lays the foundation,
40:34for India's,
40:35own hypersonic,
40:37cruise missile program,
40:38defense minister,
40:39Rajnath Singh,
40:40praised achievements,
40:41of this,
40:42and he said,
40:42it's a testament,
40:43to the government's,
40:44commitment,
40:45to advance,
40:46defense technologies,
40:47DRDO chairman,
40:48Dr. Samir Kamath,
40:49he's congratulated,
40:51the DRDL team,
40:52led by,
40:53Sri U Raja Babu,
40:55and Dr. G.A. Srinivas Moorthy,
40:58for demonstrating,
40:59this technological feat,
41:01and I quickly,
41:01want to cut across,
41:02to India today's,
41:04Manjeet Singh Negi,
41:05joining us for more,
41:06on this,
41:07Manjeet,
41:08when you talk about,
41:09Atmanir Bhart Bharat,
41:10the big effort,
41:12you know,
41:12when the country talks about,
41:13Atmanir Bhart Bharat,
41:14the big effort,
41:15is to make,
41:16cutting edge technology,
41:17that's not available,
41:19either off the shelf,
41:20or other countries,
41:21are unwilling to give it to you,
41:22and this is where,
41:24this test,
41:25of a missile,
41:26that one day,
41:27will fly,
41:27more,
41:28at Mach 5,
41:29more than 6,100 kilometers per hour,
41:31becomes extremely significant,
41:33Manjeet.
41:33Well Gaurab,
41:35day before yesterday,
41:36Pakistan has announced,
41:37that they will,
41:38conduct a,
41:39surface to surface,
41:41air missile test,
41:42in Arabian sea,
41:43but before that,
41:44India has,
41:45first time,
41:46carried out,
41:47a successful,
41:48ground test,
41:48of scramjet engine,
41:50and an air breathing,
41:51engine capable,
41:52to sustaining,
41:53compression,
41:53during the,
41:54supersonic flight,
41:56and this crucial,
41:57milestone,
41:58in developing,
41:59next generation,
41:59hypersonic missile,
42:00that can travel,
42:01speed of more than,
42:03Mach 5,
42:05five times,
42:05the speed of the sound,
42:07and these,
42:09advanced weapon,
42:10hypersonic missiles,
42:11have the potential,
42:12to bypass,
42:13the existing,
42:14air defense system,
42:16in Pakistan,
42:17and China,
42:19deliver,
42:20rapid and high impact strike,
42:22and in today's,
42:24circumstances,
42:26the only,
42:27the United States,
42:28Russia and China,
42:29have developed,
42:30technology,
42:31to fill,
42:32fast maneuvering,
42:33hypersonic missile,
42:34that fly,
42:35at the lower,
42:36altitude,
42:37and,
42:38are extremely,
42:39hard to track,
42:41and intercept,
42:42so,
42:42this is a big,
42:43development,
42:44in terms of,
42:46recent development,
42:47with Pakistan,
42:48and great,
42:49achievement,
42:50government,
42:51for D.R.D.O. and,
42:51Indian Armed Forces,
42:53truly a game changer,
42:54and Manjeet,
42:55keep tracking that story,
42:55I will come back to you,
42:57for more,
42:57for the moment,
42:58Manjeet Negi,
42:59for joining me here,
42:59on India Today,
43:00many thanks,
43:01shifting focus,
43:02to the other big story,
43:03we're tracking here,
43:04on India Today,
43:05and that's,
43:05tensions between,
43:06India and Pakistan,
43:07they've actually,
43:08soared to new heights,
43:09after,
43:10Prime Minister,
43:10Narendra Modi,
43:11made it very clear,
43:13Pakistan,
43:13state-sponsored terror,
43:14will not go,
43:16unpunished,
43:17now,
43:18after the,
43:18Pehalgaam incident,
43:20now,
43:2026 Hindus,
43:21were killed,
43:22in Pehalgaam,
43:23the Prime Minister,
43:24said,
43:24wherever the perpetrators,
43:25are not just the perpetrators,
43:27but those,
43:27who trained,
43:28armed,
43:29and launched them,
43:30those who shielded them,
43:31those who supported them,
43:32wherever they may be hiding,
43:33the other end of earth,
43:34India will track them,
43:36and bring them to justice,
43:37now,
43:37India's resolve,
43:38has never been clearer,
43:40and,
43:41because of this,
43:42there's a diplomatic,
43:43meltdown,
43:44in Pakistan,
43:45Pakistan's,
43:46actually,
43:47in panic,
43:48what's happening,
43:48on ground,
43:50we bring you more,
43:51in this report.
43:53India will,
43:56identify,
43:59track,
44:00and punish,
44:03every terrorist,
44:05and their backers.
44:09A day after,
44:10Prime Minister,
44:11Narendra Modi,
44:12promised India,
44:13will crush terror,
44:14and its supporters,
44:16New Delhi,
44:16has turned up the heat,
44:18many notches.
44:19The Home Ministry,
44:21has given instructions,
44:23to cancel,
44:23all visas,
44:25related to Pakistan.
44:26Home Minister,
44:27Amit Shah,
44:28spoke to all,
44:28chief ministers,
44:30all states,
44:30have been told,
44:31to remove,
44:32Pakistani citizens,
44:33on Indian visit.
44:35Army Chief,
44:36General,
44:37General Upendra,
44:38is in Srinagar,
44:38to review,
44:39the situation.
44:41He was briefed,
44:42about the ongoing,
44:43operations,
44:44in the valley.
44:45He also met,
44:46Jammu and Kashmir,
44:47LG,
44:48for security review.
44:50The diplomatic,
44:51war between India,
44:52and Pakistan,
44:53has escalated further.
44:55After India,
44:55suspended,
44:56the Indus Water Treaty,
44:58Pakistan responded,
44:59by suspending,
45:00the Shimla agreement.
45:01While India,
45:02closed,
45:03the Atari border,
45:03in Amritsar,
45:05Pakistan,
45:05responded,
45:06by closing down,
45:07its post,
45:08on the other side,
45:09in Wagah.
45:10India,
45:10has also revoked,
45:11visas,
45:11for Pakistan nationals,
45:13forcing them,
45:14to leave immediately.
45:15In retaliation,
45:17Pakistan,
45:17has cancelled,
45:18visas of Indians,
45:19under SARC scheme.
45:21While India,
45:21declared,
45:22Pakistan,
45:22defence officers,
45:23in India,
45:24persona non grata,
45:26Pakistan,
45:26responded,
45:27by expelling,
45:28Indian defence advisors.
45:30The situation,
45:31at LOC,
45:32also remains tense,
45:34even as Pakistan,
45:35violates,
45:36ceasefire.
45:38Pakistani nationals,
45:39currently visiting India,
45:41are rushing,
45:41to reach,
45:42the Atari Vaga border,
45:44to return home.
45:45They have,
45:46a 48 hour,
45:47deadline,
45:48to leave the country,
45:49following India's,
45:50decision,
45:51to suspend,
45:51the SARC visa,
45:52exemption scheme,
45:53in the wake,
45:54of Tuesday's,
45:55Pehlgam massacre.
45:57I have to make
45:59my married,
46:00and,
46:01I want to go to Pakistan.
46:03And I want to go Pakistan.
46:06What is the need to come?
46:07Do you wear Indian passport?
46:10I have to come back,
46:11as I am Indian,
46:11I will go to Pakistan.
46:14They have to give us time,
46:15so we were away.
46:15I was distraught.
46:16We must be getting to have
46:17the border cross.
46:18It is 48 hours time.
46:19The idea that kids,
46:20that goes back,
46:21the Pakistani passport.
46:22There is not being
46:23to land on their visa accent.
46:25They are not-
46:25because they have
46:2610, 8, 5 years old.
46:56Allowed or not.
47:26Sector to central sector.
47:29Indian Air Force pilots carried out missions for mountain and ground targets, including long-range sorties.
47:36With Aseem Bassi at the Vaga border and Meer Farid from Pehelgam, Bureau Report, India Today.
47:44The security forces crackdown continues in Jammu and Kashmir, especially in and around Pulwama in South Kashmir.
48:01Information we are getting, forces have demolished the house of another terrorist.
48:06Remember, this is the third house to be taken down in 24 hours.
48:12Now, we are told this is a Lashkar-e-Taiba terrorist.
48:16His name is Ehsan Sheikh.
48:19The information we have been able to gather through sources in the Jammu and Kashmir police is,
48:25forces crackdown in Pulwama resulted in the house of another suspected terrorist, Lashkar-e-Taiba's Ehsan Sheikh.
48:34That's been taken down by the security forces in Pulwama.
48:40There are multiple raids that are being carried out almost simultaneously.
48:44So, this demolition has taken place in the Moran area of Pulwama.
48:52Ehsan Sheikh, according to the police, is an active terrorist.
48:57Before that, two OGWs, overground workers, have been arrested.
49:04Two pistols, two magazines and several rounds of ammunition were recovered from the Thokarpura area.
49:11This is Quaimo in Kulgam.
49:14This was, again, a joint forces operation that was carried out.
49:18So, this is the third house that has been taken down.
49:22Now, the big question remains, are these houses being demolished?
49:25Or did these terrorists have ammunition and explosives stored in their houses and that detonated?
49:34Because there are two reports that are emerging that some of the explosives kept inside the house
49:40when the house coordinate search operations were on, there were some explosives that were seen.
49:46We are still waiting for more clarity on this.
49:48None of the family members were out because when security forces went in for the coordinate search operation,
49:53all of those people living in those houses, we are told, and in adjoining areas, were asked to come out.
49:59Another big story coming in, the U.S. State Department spokesperson, big story.
50:05The U.S. State Department spokesperson, Tammy Bruce, snubbed a Pakistani journalist.
50:10Now, the Pakistani journalist was trying to get a reaction in favor of Pakistan after the Pahalgam terror attack.
50:19And the U.S. very clearly said, the world stands united with India.
50:26And that's very clear.
50:28The U.S. leads the way in this international support for India in the global war on Pakistan's state-sponsored radical Islamist terror.
50:39In his first term, President Trump offered to mediate between India and Pakistan on the issue of Indian-occupied Kashmir.
50:50I know you just said that this administration has no position on Kashmir, but there's too much tension on the border.
50:56I'm not going to be remarking, sir.
50:57As I mentioned, I appreciate this.
50:59And perhaps we'll come back to you with another subject.
51:00I will say nothing more on that situation.
51:03The President and the Secretary have said things, as have the Deputy Secretary.
51:08They've made their positions clear.
51:10I will not continue with something in that matter.
51:13The U.S. State Department spokesperson, Tammy Bruce, was visibly upset and refused to entertain the Pakistani journalist.
51:21Right at the beginning of the briefing, the U.S. State Department had an announcement about the Trump administration's support for India with regard to the terror attack in Pahalgam.
51:31Now, on to the terrorist attacks in Pahalgam.
51:37As President Trump and Secretary Rubio have made clear, the United States stands with India, strongly condemns all acts of terrorism.
51:46We pray for the lives of those lost and for the recovery of the injured and call for the perpetrators of this heinous act to be brought to justice.
51:59Questions followed.
52:00I wonder, does the U.S. have sort of more reaction to that?
52:05Do you see Pakistan as potentially being behind this?
52:07And are you playing any role in diplomacy to try and call tensions between the two?
52:11Well, I put it in the topper, obviously, because it was a horrible situation.
52:15But at the same time, that's basically going to be the extent of the comments at this point.
52:20What I can tell you is, of course, as we all know, it's a rapidly changing situation.
52:25And we are monitoring it closely, as you might imagine.
52:29And we, of course, are not now taking a position on the status of Kashmir or of Jammu.
52:36But when the Pakistani journalist further tried to get a reaction, he was snubbed unceremoniously.
52:43In his first term, President Trump offered to mediate between India and Pakistan on the issue of Indian-occupied Kashmir.
52:53I know you just said that this administration has no position on Kashmir, right now.
52:57But there's too much tension.
52:59I'm not going to be remarking, sir.
53:01As I mentioned, I appreciate this.
53:02And perhaps we'll come back to you with another subject.
53:04I will say nothing more on that situation.
53:08That wasn't the only time.
53:10When New York Times published a report on Pehel Ghan calling it a militant attack,
53:14the U.S. State Department promptly corrected it and definitively called Pehel Ghan a terror attack.
53:22From the very beginning, the Trump administration has been standing by India.
53:26The U.S. President, right after the terror strike on 22nd April,
53:31first texted his condemnation of the terror strike and then he dialed Prime Minister Modi,
53:36calling the attack deeply disturbing.
53:39He expressed his solidarity with India in the fight against terrorists.
53:43U.S. Vice President reiterated the President's support while visiting the Taj Mahal.
53:50I want to just, of course, issue our condolences to the people of Kashmir
53:55who were affected by this terrible terrorist attack.
53:57The President's already spoken with Prime Minister Modi.
54:00U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio has also expressed support for India.
54:05In a post on X, Rubio wrote,
54:08The United States stands with India.
54:10Not only the U.S., other international allies do have rallied around India in this hour of grief
54:18and in the fight against terrorism.
54:21Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called Prime Minister Narendra Modi on Thursday
54:25and strongly condemned the terror attack on Indian soil.
54:29He expressed solidarity with the people of India and the families of the victims.
54:33The Pahalgaam terror model has eerie similarity with the Hamas attack of October 2023.
54:44UK MP Tanmanjit Singh Desi raised the Pahalgaam terror attack in the British Parliament
54:49and the British government paid its condolences, calling the attack devastating.
54:54This attack on innocent tourists in Jammu and Kashmir.
54:59The families of the victims are very much in my prayers
55:02and I sincerely hope that the perpetrators will be swiftly brought to justice.
55:07Does my right-general friend, the Leader of the House,
55:10wish to take this opportunity on behalf of our Parliament
55:13to convey our heartfelt condolences to the Indian people?
55:17Well, absolutely, and can I thank him for raising this.
55:20The horror of this horrific terrorist attack in Kashmir was utterly devastating
55:27and it was, as he says, a cowardly act.
55:30And my thoughts and the thoughts of the whole government are with those affected,
55:34especially those who've lost...
55:37France, European Union, Australia, China, Japan,
55:42everyone stands by India.
55:45Diplomats of US, UK, European Union, Italy, Qatar, Japan, China, Russia, Germany, France
55:54were briefed by the Indian Ministry of External Affairs
55:57about what happened in Pahalgaam on 22nd April.
56:01Biarra Report, India Today.
56:05This will be a long war to defeat Pakistan-sponsored terror,
56:10but we will continue to report from ground zero
56:15as India wages this war, leads this war
56:18to break the back of Pakistani terror.
56:22That is all I have for you on this special edition of India First at 10.
56:26Many thanks for watching.
56:27News and updates continue on India Today.
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