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00:00 Asalam-o-Alaikum, viewers, you are watching the program with Kashif Abbasi.
00:02 Yesterday, a TV interview, Usman Dar, who was an important figure of Tariq-e-Insaf,
00:07 his interview has created a political uproar.
00:11 In that interview, he accused Chairman Tariq-e-Insaf of the 9th May incident.
00:17 He said that it was his order that in the state meetings,
00:23 the state institutions should be attacked in the event of an arrest.
00:30 This was a build-up according to Usman Dar.
00:37 If you look at Usman Dar's interview, there are two major angles that need to be looked at in detail.
00:45 One is what he said.
00:48 He was an insider of Tariq-e-Insaf.
00:51 He was close to Chairman Tariq-e-Insaf.
00:53 That is why he said all those things.
00:56 The merits of that statement will be decided by the court.
01:00 Will he go to court?
01:01 These are the questions that the court will have to decide now
01:04 because a case is being held on 9th May.
01:06 We will talk about the legal and political damage that will be done to Tariq-e-Insaf.
01:13 But there is another angle to this.
01:17 The second angle is that Usman Dar went missing from Karachi on 9th September.
01:22 He was arrested.
01:24 On 10th September, the Minister of Interior, Brigadier Haris,
01:27 said in a talk show that he was arrested.
01:31 He gave a TV programme on 4th October.
01:33 Where was Usman Dar for 25 days?
01:36 Where did he go missing?
01:38 These are the other angles that need to be looked at.
01:42 He was a hostage.
01:44 Who was he under the influence of?
01:46 Was he under the influence of the police?
01:48 Was he presented to a court?
01:50 He was neither under the influence of the police nor was he presented to a court.
01:54 How did he reach Lahore?
01:56 Because he was arrested from Karachi.
01:58 When did he reach Lahore?
02:00 How did he reach Lahore?
02:02 How did he contact Kamran Shahid?
02:04 Because I spoke to his family yesterday when this started.
02:10 When I told Usman Dar that this interview was going to be held,
02:14 he was surprised that he was not in contact with them.
02:18 How did this interview happen?
02:20 How did Usman Dar come here for this interview?
02:24 Why didn't he contact his family?
02:28 And immediately after this, his mother's statement came out.
02:30 In which she accused him of putting pressure on Usman Dar to do this interview.
02:34 Not only this, she said that she will fight the next election on the Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf ticket.
02:40 And she is standing with this party.
02:42 So, one angle is how did all this happen?
02:44 How did the administrative matters happen?
02:46 The second important thing is the incidents of 9th May.
02:50 Asad Umar has said in our program that there was a build-up after which it was inevitable that all this would happen.
03:00 The institutions were the target of criticism.
03:04 And it was understood that the policy that Asad Umar said that he also disagrees with,
03:10 he said that this was being built up in such a way that this matter would be fought.
03:16 And he was the Secretary General of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf.
03:20 He was one of the most important people.
03:22 He was a part of the most important meetings.
03:24 I met a lot of people after leaving the party of Tariq-e-Insaf.
03:28 A lot of people criticize this a lot.
03:30 The institutions that were criticized,
03:32 they thought that many times it was decided that this should not happen or not to do this.
03:38 But this was still done.
03:42 And the matter went in this direction.
03:44 Mehmood Maulvi is telling a completely opposite story.
03:47 He says that in the meeting of the President of Iran, it was decided that these 9th May incidents,
03:52 Usman Dar says that it happened in Zaman Park.
03:56 So, there are many things that can be answered by Usman Dar.
03:59 Or when this case will be held in the court,
04:01 then the answers to many things will be revealed.
04:05 And this is also a question that why the statement of 164 was not made in front of any magistrate?
04:10 Why did not you go to the police in the statement of 161?
04:13 Why was the decision to do a TV program finally made?
04:18 Because it has no legal status.
04:20 It is a television program.
04:21 Until they go to court and give this statement,
04:23 this statement has no legal status.
04:26 What did he say?
04:27 First listen to how the mindset was formed after the regime change operation.
04:31 What did he say about this?
04:33 The incident of 9th May did not happen in a day.
04:37 After the regime change operation, Pakistan's justice system has two mindsets.
04:42 One is the mindset in which Murad Saeed, Azam Subati, Imad Azhar, Farooq Bibi were there.
04:47 These were the anti-force.
04:49 Yes, yes. Supporting the politics of clashes.
04:52 One was the mindset like Asad Umar, Umar Ayub, Ali Muhammad Khan, Shafr-e-Mahmood Sahib were also there.
04:57 Who were talking about the path of mutual understanding.
04:59 Mutual understanding with the force.
05:00 Yes, absolutely. Imran Khan was supporting that group whose mindset was of clashes.
05:06 That started in a sequence.
05:08 There was a long march in the middle.
05:09 The ideology of that group was prevailing.
05:13 Imran Khan was supporting that policy.
05:16 He said that Imran Khan was supporting this.
05:21 What did Usman Dar say about the state meetings?
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06:20 [AUDIO DISTORTION]
06:32 So, he was the Minister of Internal Affairs.
06:35 Now, the question is that if there is pressure,
06:38 then the decision of truth and lie, as I said earlier, will be taken by the court.
06:41 But the administrative questions, where were they?
06:43 Whose custody were they in?
06:45 When did they decide that they have to come to Punjab, i.e. Lahore?
06:49 Then, they have to go to their home and do this interview.
06:51 How did they contact?
06:52 Who did it?
06:53 Because their phone was continuously switched off.
06:55 Even their family was not in contact with them.
06:57 So, these are the two strands, the two different angles of doing this.
07:02 Athar Kazmi is present with us.
07:03 Rishad Bhatti is present.
07:04 And Mansoor Ali Khan is present with us.
07:06 Mansoor is present from Lahore.
07:07 Bhatti sir, I will start with you.
07:09 What do you think?
07:11 After this interview, what was your first reaction, reaction, take away?
07:15 There was a new thing in this, that my friend, my brother, my lover,
07:24 came to the program of Kamran Shahid, and he gave the entry and did the program.
07:31 The rest was nothing new.
07:33 You told me an angle, where did he stay for 25 days, how did he get released,
07:40 how did he reach Lahore, how did he reach that interview?
07:43 Now again, I was in Mansoor's program, he was recording,
07:48 so he has not reached home yet.
07:50 So where is he?
07:51 He has reached home.
07:52 I talked to his brother again, he said he has gone to his home,
07:54 maybe he is with his family, his wife and children.
07:57 According to him, we have not contacted him yet.
08:00 I have not contacted him.
08:01 May God make him stay at home.
08:02 So, he…
08:03 Give a press conference, TV program will start.
08:06 Interview, okay, this.
08:07 And this is one.
08:08 The second angle is that, it is not surprising, because whatever he said…
08:12 People are saying that.
08:13 I have heard that, whatever happened on 14th May, 14th May,
08:18 Imran Khan said himself that if they arrest me,
08:22 then this was the reaction, it was natural, and I had to come there.
08:26 The second, the whole fight was of a speech.
08:28 The third, the long march, the things, everything was behind it.
08:32 We were discussing all of that in every program.
08:34 And it is also true that there were two groups,
08:36 one said fight, Ram will sacrifice, the second was, don't be unfaithful.
08:40 And in this group…
08:42 There are many people, as I said,
08:44 since people are leaving parties,
08:46 now it is a little bit open, many people say about this,
08:49 that sir, popular politics has happened,
08:52 the politics of confrontation has been left,
08:54 now we will have to do politics of unfaithfulness.
08:56 In fact, you were not there, maybe,
08:58 on the third day of Eid, a briefing was held in Zaman Park.
09:02 So, many people were present there,
09:05 Sohail Varaiyat sir was there, Malik sir was there.
09:08 The group was meeting all of them.
09:10 No, no, no, it is not that.
09:12 The Safis were called for the briefing.
09:14 In that also, it was said that sir, you should do CBM, CBM.
09:17 So, Mr. Khan replied, he said, I have sent the message,
09:20 but he said, the answer is not coming from now on.
09:22 But everyone thought that, stop it,
09:23 the fight should not be with the institution.
09:25 I think it was too late by that time.
09:27 No, no, it was not in 9th.
09:28 No, the time it was going on,
09:30 before that, 2-3, anyway, that is another discussion.
09:33 So, this was a normal,
09:35 like you used the word once, new normal.
09:37 So, what is this new normal,
09:39 that you are using the word 'Irshad Bhatti'
09:41 Now, I was seeing on social media,
09:43 that Sadaqat Abbasi sir was also recorded in the interview.
09:45 Sadaqat Abbasi, Faisal Wada sir, our reporter friend,
09:48 we are living in the era of two people,
09:50 the era of Kamran Shahid and the era of Faisal Wada.
09:53 So, he said, Usman Dar sir has suffered,
09:56 Farrukh Habib is ready.
09:58 When will the era of Irshad Bhatti come?
10:00 It is going on in parallel.
10:02 That is why, to avoid the evil eye,
10:04 I have told Mansoor sir,
10:05 I will not tell Atar, he will get jealous.
10:07 I will not hide it from you, obviously.
10:09 So, that, anyway,
10:11 those two,
10:13 that is all, obviously,
10:15 there is a big press conference coming up,
10:17 interviews can also be done.
10:19 So, it is going on, the process will go on.
10:21 No one is coming, no one is coming.
10:23 The Usman Dar who spoke, 90%
10:25 He was supposed to come, but he will not come.
10:27 He crashed the hard drive.
10:29 Usman Dar, where he was for 25 days,
10:31 he can say anything, anything.
10:33 He is a good man, he is a good man.
10:35 The real question is this,
10:37 he was missing, there is pressure,
10:39 there is no pressure,
10:41 what is being discussed, is it true or not?
10:43 The real question will come to that.
10:45 You are under pressure,
10:47 but you have to differentiate between
10:49 lying and speaking the truth,
10:51 that is it a lie or truth.
10:53 I think the big question for me is
10:55 that Usman Dar was missing,
10:57 his residence petition was in the Sindh High Court,
10:59 his family was looking for him,
11:01 and Usman Dar, who in many cases
11:03 was wanted by the Punjab Police
11:05 and other security agencies,
11:07 he had a lot of FIRs,
11:09 he went to Kankak's house while roaming around,
11:11 now tomorrow Sheikh Rasheed will reach you,
11:13 or some other Mohsin Sheikh.
11:15 It is very interesting, what will you do with Sheikh Sahib,
11:17 leave the party? There is no party,
11:19 now you have to leave the party.
11:21 Wife, children, no one.
11:23 What will he tell you inside,
11:25 those were not party meetings,
11:27 Sheikh Sahib is in a very strange position,
11:29 he is not in a position to be in a party or TV program,
11:31 what will you tell him, because he cannot say anything.
11:33 I think his allies will not remain allies,
11:35 and will tell him that he is also
11:37 a member of the Nationalist movement.
11:39 So I think the way
11:41 the interview was done,
11:43 there are a lot of questions,
11:45 that the person who is not known,
11:47 suddenly reaches the house of a respected journalist,
11:49 and then there are questions,
11:51 and then he comes on the stage
11:53 running,
11:55 and there are all the questions.
11:57 Doesn't it look like an Eid show?
11:59 When did you come into politics,
12:01 how are your parents,
12:03 how are the rest of the family?
12:05 So I think
12:07 there were all the things,
12:09 and then there were questions,
12:11 and they took out a lot of information.
12:13 Is the information relevant for the journalist?
12:15 No, the information is relevant,
12:17 the information they have taken out,
12:19 no school of journalism can prepare you for this,
12:21 that a person is not known,
12:23 no one is getting him,
12:25 and he comes to a journalist's house,
12:27 and then the journalist,
12:29 with such great skill,
12:31 questions and gives all the information,
12:33 but there is some information that has not been presented for the first time,
12:35 so there were things,
12:37 that this planning was done at this place,
12:39 that planning was done at that place,
12:41 and this decision was made,
12:43 that we have to do this,
12:45 that has to be done,
12:47 so I think,
12:49 after this interview,
12:51 I don't know what will happen to Usman Dar's politics,
12:53 he has left Pakistan,
12:55 that is what will happen,
12:57 but Pakistan's journalism has lost its life,
12:59 I can see this journalism being alive again.
13:01 Mansoor Ali Khan Sahib,
13:03 what is your opinion,
13:05 about this interview,
13:07 that Usman Dar came suddenly,
13:09 he was missing,
13:11 there are petitions going on,
13:13 that where did he go,
13:15 although the interior minister himself has said,
13:17 that he has been arrested,
13:19 he was not in any court,
13:21 but again,
13:23 there is another element,
13:25 that his revelations,
13:27 the things that he is telling,
13:29 you cannot leave either of them,
13:31 that we catch him and leave him,
13:33 where are you standing on all this?
13:35 Thank you very much Kashif Sahib,
13:37 first of all,
13:39 your coordinator,
13:41 and the coordinator of my program,
13:43 I think we should fire them first,
13:45 and fire them and hire a new coordinator,
13:47 because they are not doing their job,
13:49 and we have found a coordinator,
13:51 who was crying,
13:53 and his mother was not getting her child,
13:55 she was waiting for her son,
13:57 to come home,
13:59 she could not find him,
14:01 her brothers could not find him,
14:03 they had to file a petition,
14:05 in Sindh High Court,
14:07 they still could not find Usman Dar,
14:09 but the coordinator,
14:11 found out that Usman Dar,
14:13 was hiding under a pot,
14:15 or behind a cupboard,
14:17 and brought him here,
14:19 and the second thing is,
14:21 we will be lying to ourselves,
14:23 and all of us sitting here,
14:25 you have the most experience,
14:27 of doing programs,
14:29 if you think that,
14:31 there is no doubt,
14:33 or any doubt,
14:35 then I think,
14:37 this is a lie,
14:39 and it cannot be,
14:41 I have seen the whole episode,
14:43 of one hour,
14:45 and the questions,
14:47 are the questions,
14:49 I don't want to comment on the anchor,
14:51 because I think,
14:53 it is bad,
14:55 that you are trying to say something,
14:57 to your competitor,
14:59 but the whole thing,
15:01 did not look right,
15:03 in such matches,
15:05 where you think,
15:07 that there are 10 runs left,
15:09 and 8 wickets are left,
15:11 and if 8 wickets are lost,
15:13 then the match starts,
15:15 and the second thing is,
15:17 the conversation of Usman Dar,
15:19 is arrested on 9th September,
15:21 and in his last tweet till 9th September,
15:23 he is expressing his love for Khan,
15:25 he is expressing his love for Khan,
15:27 in all his tweets,
15:29 and no doubt,
15:31 that he was the mastermind,
15:33 and you have a thought process,
15:35 and he is saying that he was thinking,
15:37 and you are not thinking,
15:39 and you are following Khan,
15:41 and you have done so many programs,
15:43 except for each show,
15:45 how many current affairs shows,
15:47 have you done at your home,
15:49 how many current affairs shows,
15:51 have you invited your guests,
15:53 and done programs at home,
15:55 so there are too many questions,
15:57 and from a legal point of view,
15:59 yes, from a legal point of view,
16:01 it is possible that Dar sir,
16:03 can go and testify in the court,
16:05 and say that I am doing it,
16:07 without any pressure,
16:09 and if you show him this interview,
16:11 and he says that I will not vote for Balla,
16:13 then I think he is making a fool of himself,
16:15 then I think he is making a fool of himself,
16:17 I think that if Imran Khan himself,
16:19 goes and tells his PTI followers,
16:21 that I did it on 9th September,
16:23 I was the mastermind,
16:25 then his followers will say that it is absolutely correct,
16:27 their thinking has become like this,
16:29 they will say that it is absolutely correct,
16:31 they will not even question it,
16:33 so I don't think that politically,
16:35 it will make a big difference,
16:37 so the question is,
16:39 how did this interview happen,
16:41 like I said there are two strands,
16:43 how did this interview happen,
16:45 where was he, who was he with,
16:47 how did he come suddenly,
16:49 how did this interview happen,
16:51 so these are the questions,
16:53 I was watching,
16:55 Kamran Shahid sir has also answered some of them,
16:57 and he said something interesting,
16:59 Manu Chatto, interview him,
17:01 he said something like this,
17:03 when he was asked this question,
17:05 he largely bases, and you too,
17:07 he is largely basing this thing,
17:09 that how, how did this happen,
17:11 how did this interview happen,
17:13 but is his logic,
17:15 you people,
17:17 let me ask him,
17:19 briefly, then I will ask Rishabh Bhatti,
17:21 is his logic not important for you,
17:23 what he said, because it is also possible that
17:25 you are saying something right,
17:27 no, that will be proven in the court,
17:29 when he goes to the court,
17:31 he gives a statement,
17:33 leading up to it,
17:35 that what happened,
17:37 Sadaqat Abbasi sir is still missing,
17:39 Farah Habib is missing,
17:41 then this is missing,
17:43 his family kept looking for him,
17:45 and he suddenly came on live TV,
17:47 then such things,
17:49 did you feel uneasiness,
17:51 I am saying,
17:53 that is why the questions in my mind,
17:55 I put them all in front,
17:57 that the interior minister says,
17:59 that we have arrested,
18:01 and you take him to the police station,
18:03 where there is FIR,
18:05 he presents the accused in a court,
18:07 you take remand from the court,
18:09 and say that I want remand,
18:11 remand from the court,
18:13 again the extension request is made,
18:15 or it is judicial,
18:17 there is a process,
18:19 there is a law,
18:21 the problem here is that
18:23 the interior minister had agreed to arrest,
18:25 but no one knows what happened after that,
18:27 the administrative side,
18:29 the administrative side,
18:31 where were they,
18:33 how did they reach Lahore,
18:35 how did they contact them,
18:37 how did they come to give interview in that house,
18:39 then after that where did they go,
18:41 why were they not arrested,
18:43 because they are wanted,
18:45 like the interior minister said,
18:47 that they had warrants,
18:49 and cases,
18:51 so how did they go suddenly,
18:53 why were they not caught in some other case,
18:55 so as a journalist to be honest,
18:57 if they come on TV stations,
18:59 or TV channels,
19:01 and put such allegations,
19:03 will people give importance to that,
19:05 I don't think so,
19:07 other questions will arise,
19:09 more questions will arise.
19:11 Can anything be done legally,
19:13 Bhatti sir,
19:15 there are FIRs on 9th May,
19:17 a case has to be run,
19:19 if it had to go to the court,
19:21 it would have been better
19:23 if they had gone to the magistrate,
19:25 and had recorded their statement,
19:27 that I heard it myself,
19:29 I saw it,
19:31 this happened in front of me,
19:33 this happened on that date,
19:35 there would have been a legal weight of that,
19:37 this can only be the weight of perception,
19:39 and now the fight of legal vs perception will start,
19:41 that they are saying,
19:43 that it has no effect on perception,
19:45 the larger perception that is there,
19:47 no,
19:49 overall,
19:51 the way justice has gone in three branches,
19:53 the way people are leaving justice,
19:55 the way press conferences are happening,
19:57 interviews are coming,
19:59 this way,
20:01 it seems that justice will be harmed,
20:03 these are all people,
20:05 who were supposed to stand,
20:07 but what Mansoor said,
20:09 that the voter,
20:11 will it be a turn, no,
20:13 if all of Usman Dar sir,
20:15 becomes a voter,
20:17 then where we have taken positions,
20:19 there are positions,
20:21 where no one is coming from here,
20:23 no one is going from there,
20:25 everyone has taken their positions,
20:27 legally, in this country,
20:29 Ishaq Dar sir,
20:31 wrote a petition against Udaibiyah,
20:33 and then,
20:35 and the reason for his punishment,
20:37 he went back,
20:39 and then he became the minister of treasury,
20:41 so this time,
20:43 this person can go anywhere,
20:45 legally nothing,
20:47 for now,
20:49 I don't know,
20:51 how Mansoor came,
20:53 how he reached,
20:55 how he came from there,
20:57 but tell me,
20:59 if he said anything new,
21:01 if you didn't hear anything,
21:03 tell me,
21:05 tell me one thing,
21:07 in Zaman Park,
21:09 we heard many times,
21:11 many times in interviews,
21:13 many politicians said,
21:15 there were meetings in Zaman Park,
21:17 and if we do it legally,
21:19 that there were two groups in Zaman Park,
21:21 everyone knows this,
21:23 the people who are leaving now,
21:25 they consider themselves as an outsider group,
21:27 that we were an outsider group,
21:29 who were not allowed to enter,
21:31 Faiz Ameed sir had to become the army chief,
21:33 Asim Munir sir was not allowed to wear a tie,
21:35 the long march was held,
21:37 he told all these things,
21:39 so content wise,
21:41 there should be an inquiry,
21:43 how this long march was held,
21:45 who were behind it, who were ahead,
21:47 everything should be known,
21:49 secondly, what is it that the new people should know,
21:51 what they said was old,
21:53 content was the same,
21:55 what they said,
21:57 and secondly,
21:59 you can see,
22:01 how he reached,
22:03 where he went,
22:05 and what happened,
22:07 these things will be in place,
22:09 let's take a break,
22:11 welcome back,
22:13 we are getting news from different places,
22:15 that from inside Muslim League Noon,
22:17 Mian sir is being advised to return,
22:19 what is happening?
22:21 Kashif,
22:23 this is a fact,
22:25 there are some people in Muslim League Noon,
22:27 who think that Mian sir should not return on 21st,
22:29 or should delay it a little,
22:31 I have received this news from sources,
22:33 but,
22:35 as far as I have been informed,
22:37 majority of the sources of Muslim League Noon,
22:39 are still ready to welcome Mian sir,
22:41 on 21st,
22:43 and just now,
22:45 during the break,
22:47 I have received this news,
22:49 that tomorrow, at 3pm,
22:51 Shabaz Sharif sir will be doing a press conference,
22:53 a very important press conference,
22:55 and he himself is going to do it,
22:57 so this means that,
22:59 preparations are in full swing,
23:01 and from 2-3 days,
23:03 Jalsas and other events have started in Lahore,
23:05 and yesterday's incident,
23:07 on Shabaz Sharif sir's car,
23:09 it is an isolated incident,
23:11 a small incident,
23:13 it should not be taken seriously,
23:15 or the Muslim League Noon should take it very seriously,
23:17 that this is the reaction of the public,
23:19 how do you see this?
23:21 I think it is too early to actually decode that,
23:23 that this is a one-off incident,
23:25 or there will be other incidents like this,
23:27 but this is a fact,
23:29 there are no two opinions in this,
23:31 I am present in Lahore,
23:33 I have done various shows,
23:35 and I have been to the elections,
23:37 and I have been there,
23:39 so Mian sir's support is not there,
23:41 the support is less,
23:43 I don't want to give out a figure,
23:45 let me ask you a vague question,
23:47 you say that the support is not there,
23:49 is the winning support still there,
23:51 or do you think that the competition is tough,
23:53 no, this is a losing support,
23:55 can you hear me?
23:57 yes, I can hear you,
23:59 I think 2-3 ways can be used,
24:01 when you go to a ring,
24:03 like we go holding a mic,
24:05 do you think that Mian sir's support
24:07 is still going to win,
24:09 but not as much as it was before,
24:11 or do you think that it will be a very tight competition,
24:13 or do you think that it is a losing support?
24:15 I heard half of your voice,
24:21 but I heard your last voice,
24:23 I think Mian sir is in a winning position,
24:25 to some extent,
24:27 but not to the same extent
24:29 as he was in the past,
24:31 but still Mian sir has a slight edge in his ring,
24:33 so he is in a winning position,
24:35 so it cannot be said that he has lost,
24:37 but in your opinion,
24:39 in his ring,
24:41 Tariq-e-Insaf has also put a request
24:43 for a Jalsa,
24:45 now is the test case,
24:47 I am surprised that
24:49 Tariq-e-Insaf has remembered this
24:51 since so long,
24:53 they should now go out and do Jalsa,
24:55 so that we will have to see
24:57 how much level playing field they will get,
24:59 will they be allowed to do Jalsa freely,
25:01 and will PTV show it live,
25:03 like they do for Maryam Bibi Jalsa,
25:05 or will they be doing a press conference
25:07 for the preparation of Jalsa,
25:09 will that press conference be shown live on PTV,
25:11 because it is a neutral government,
25:13 so we will get a chance to see all that,
25:15 then the big question is,
25:17 why will they go and do Khitab in Jalsa,
25:19 if they get permission for Jalsa,
25:21 Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf,
25:23 there will not be any leader
25:25 who will come to the public to listen to Khitab,
25:27 but, it will be a big Jalsa,
25:29 and a lot of people will participate,
25:31 why will they do it,
25:33 there are many reasons,
25:35 although this is a big question,
25:37 where will you get leadership,
25:39 who will come and do it on stage,
25:41 all leadership is your soul,
25:43 but I think,
25:45 Asad Umar is not out,
25:47 I don't think that the workers of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf
25:49 will want to see or listen to them on stage,
25:51 this decision will be made there,
25:53 I will,
25:55 quickly Mansoor,
25:57 you add, then I will listen to Bhatti,
25:59 I will add that Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf
26:01 has said that Asad Umar has no connection with our party,
26:03 they have actually said this,
26:05 if you talk about this,
26:07 there are a lot of resentments,
26:09 and in the cipher case,
26:11 they are not mentioned anywhere,
26:13 what will happen when Jalsa will be held,
26:15 they have requested for Jalsa in Liberty,
26:17 do you think there will be a level playing field,
26:19 PTV will show Jalsa,
26:21 press conferences will be covered,
26:23 or, I always say,
26:25 when the day of Jalsa will come,
26:27 this number will be decided,
26:29 but will the rest of the arguments be allowed?
26:31 No, not at all,
26:33 I don't think anything will be allowed at this time,
26:35 on one hand, there is a party,
26:37 which has permission to hold Jalsas,
26:39 but people are not getting it,
26:41 on the other hand, there is a party,
26:43 which has permission to hold Jalsas,
26:45 but people want it,
26:47 there are 10 lakh people,
26:49 there are talks upto Hero Honda,
26:51 and this,
26:53 I have brought Honda,
26:55 they have prepared 6 people,
26:57 it will be the biggest group,
26:59 believe me,
27:01 the first time,
27:03 I got a call from Atar Kazmi,
27:05 he said,
27:07 I have a cycle,
27:09 or a ticket for Umrah,
27:11 I said, change it,
27:13 the petrol is expensive,
27:15 give me a cycle,
27:17 he gave you 3 tyres,
27:19 he said, I will give you a cycle,
27:21 Hero Honda will welcome you,
27:23 but leave the 10 lakh,
27:25 Shabaz Shiv said,
27:27 go in circles,
27:29 people were demanding from me,
27:31 and were raising issues,
27:33 the language in which they were raising issues,
27:35 may Allah forbid,
27:37 that they do it to someone else,
27:39 so go in circles,
27:41 this is not an isolated incident,
27:43 go in circles,
27:45 it is a long process,
27:47 but I don't think,
27:49 the Jalsa is not allowed,
27:51 I don't think,
27:53 if someone is left,
27:55 then they can do it,
27:57 KTaker has come,
27:59 it means,
28:01 Jalsa is not allowed,
28:03 I don't think so,
28:05 in Punjab,
28:07 rallies were not allowed,
28:09 in other places,
28:11 Maryam was doing Jalsa,
28:13 the level playing field,
28:15 the basic aim is,
28:17 I know,
28:19 they still have hope,
28:21 that they can win Lahore,
28:23 they will,
28:25 but they also know,
28:27 that we are not in a position,
28:29 to win,
28:31 if they want to win,
28:33 then they are still,
28:35 too much motivated for the election,
28:37 but if the winning candidate,
28:39 is not there,
28:41 then the second one,
28:43 will win,
28:45 but if the winning candidate,
28:47 is not there,
28:49 then the second one,
28:51 will win,
28:53 but if the winning candidate,
28:55 is not there,
28:57 then the second one,
28:59 will win,
29:01 but if the winning candidate,
29:03 is not there,
29:05 then the second one,
29:07 will win,
29:09 but if the winning candidate,
29:11 is not there,
29:13 then the second one,
29:15 will win,
29:17 but if the winning candidate,
29:19 is not there,
29:21 then the second one,
29:23 will win,
29:25 but if the winning candidate,
29:27 is not there,
29:29 then the second one,
29:31 will win,
29:33 but if the winning candidate,
29:35 is not there,
29:37 then the second one,
29:39 will win,
29:41 but if the winning candidate,
29:43 is not there,
29:45 then the second one,
29:47 will win,
29:49 but if the winning candidate,
29:51 is not there,
29:53 then the second one,
29:55 will win,
29:57 but if the winning candidate,
29:59 is not there,
30:01 then the second one,
30:03 will win,
30:05 but if the winning candidate,
30:07 is not there,
30:09 then the second one,
30:11 will win,
30:13 but if the winning candidate,
30:15 is not there,
30:17 then the second one,
30:19 will win,
30:21 but if the winning candidate,
30:23 is not there,
30:25 then the second one,
30:27 will win,
30:29 but if the winning candidate,
30:31 is not there,
30:33 then the second one,
30:35 will win,
30:37 but if the winning candidate,
30:39 is not there,
30:41 then the second one,
30:43 will win,
30:45 but if the winning candidate,
30:47 is not there,
30:49 then the second one,
30:51 will win,
30:53 but if the winning candidate,
30:55 is not there,
30:57 then the second one,
30:59 will win,
31:01 but if the winning candidate,
31:03 is not there,
31:05 then the second one,
31:07 will win,
31:09 but if the winning candidate,
31:11 is not there,
31:13 then the second one,
31:15 will win,
31:17 but if the winning candidate,
31:19 is not there,
31:21 then the second one,
31:23 will win,
31:25 but if the winning candidate,
31:27 is not there,
31:29 then the second one,
31:31 will win,
31:33 but if the winning candidate,
31:35 is not there,
31:37 then the second one,
31:39 will win,
31:41 but if the winning candidate,
31:43 is not there,
31:45 then the second one,
31:47 will win,
31:49 but if the winning candidate,
31:51 is not there,
31:53 then the second one,
31:55 will win,
31:57 but if the winning candidate,
31:59 is not there,
32:01 then the second one,
32:03 will win,
32:05 but if the winning candidate,
32:07 is not there,
32:09 then the second one,
32:11 will win,
32:13 but if the winning candidate,
32:15 is not there,
32:17 then the second one,
32:19 will win,
32:21 but if the winning candidate,
32:23 is not there,
32:25 then the second one,
32:27 will win,
32:29 but if the winning candidate,
32:31 is not there,
32:33 then the second one,
32:35 will win,
32:37 but if the winning candidate,
32:39 is not there,
32:41 then the second one,
32:43 will win,
32:45 but if the winning candidate,
32:47 is not there,
32:49 then the second one,
32:51 will win,
32:53 but if the winning candidate,
32:55 is not there,
32:57 then the second one,
32:59 will win,
33:01 but if the winning candidate,
33:03 is not there,
33:05 then the second one,
33:07 will win,
33:09 but if the winning candidate,
33:11 is not there,
33:13 then the second one,
33:15 will win,
33:17 but if the winning candidate,
33:19 is not there,
33:21 then the second one,
33:23 will win,
33:25 but if the winning candidate,
33:27 is not there,
33:29 then the second one,
33:31 will win,
33:33 but if the winning candidate,
33:35 is not there,
33:37 then the second one,
33:39 will win,
33:41 but if the winning candidate,
33:43 is not there,
33:45 then the second one,
33:47 will win,
33:49 but if the winning candidate,
33:51 is not there,
33:53 then the second one,
33:55 will win,
33:57 but if the winning candidate,
33:59 is not there,
34:01 then the second one,
34:03 will win,
34:05 but if the winning candidate,
34:07 is not there,
34:09 then the second one,
34:11 will win,
34:13 but if the winning candidate,
34:15 is not there,
34:17 then the second one,
34:19 will win,
34:21 but if the winning candidate,
34:23 is not there,
34:25 then the second one,
34:27 will win,
34:29 but if the winning candidate,
34:31 is not there,
34:33 then the second one,
34:35 will win,
34:37 but if the winning candidate,
34:39 is not there,
34:41 then the second one,
34:43 will win,
34:45 but if the winning candidate,
34:47 is not there,
34:49 then the second one,
34:51 will win,
34:53 but if the winning candidate,
34:55 is not there,
34:57 then the second one,
34:59 will win,
35:01 but if the winning candidate,
35:03 is not there,
35:05 then the second one,
35:07 will win,
35:09 but if the winning candidate,
35:11 is not there,
35:13 then the second one,
35:15 will win,
35:17 but if the winning candidate,
35:19 is not there,
35:21 then the second one,
35:23 will win,
35:25 but if the winning candidate,
35:27 is not there,
35:29 then the second one,
35:31 will win,
35:33 but if the winning candidate,
35:35 is not there,
35:37 then the second one,
35:39 will win,
35:41 but if the winning candidate,
35:43 is not there,
35:45 then the second one,
35:47 will win,
35:49 but if the winning candidate,
35:51 is not there,
35:53 then the second one,
35:55 will win,
35:57 but if the winning candidate,
35:59 is not there,
36:01 then the second one,
36:03 will win,
36:05 but if the winning candidate,
36:07 is not there,
36:09 then the second one,
36:11 will win,
36:13 but if the winning candidate,
36:15 is not there,
36:17 then the second one,
36:19 will win,
36:21 but if the winning candidate,
36:23 is not there,
36:25 then the second one,
36:27 will win,
36:29 but if the winning candidate,
36:31 is not there,
36:33 then the second one,
36:35 will win,
36:37 but if the winning candidate,
36:39 is not there,
36:41 then the second one,
36:43 will win,
36:45 but if the winning candidate,
36:47 is not there,
36:49 then the second one,
36:51 will win,
36:53 but if the winning candidate,
36:55 is not there,
36:57 then the second one,
36:59 will win,
37:01 but if the winning candidate,
37:03 is not there,
37:05 then the second one,
37:07 will win,
37:09 but if the winning candidate,
37:11 is not there,
37:13 then the second one,
37:15 will win,
37:17 but if the winning candidate,
37:19 is not there,
37:21 then the second one,
37:23 will win,
37:25 but if the winning candidate,
37:27 is not there,
37:29 then the second one,
37:31 will win,
37:33 but if the winning candidate,
37:35 is not there,
37:37 then the second one,
37:39 will win,
37:41 but if the winning candidate,
37:43 is not there,
37:45 then the second one,
37:47 will win,
37:49 but if the winning candidate,
37:51 is not there,
37:53 then the second one,
37:55 will win,
37:57 but if the winning candidate,
37:59 is not there,
38:01 then the second one,
38:03 will win,
38:05 but if the winning candidate,
38:07 is not there,
38:09 then the second one,
38:11 will win,
38:13 but if the winning candidate,
38:15 is not there,
38:17 then the second one,
38:19 will win,
38:21 but if the winning candidate,
38:23 is not there,
38:25 then the second one,
38:27 will win,
38:29 but if the winning candidate,
38:31 is not there,
38:33 then the second one,
38:35 will win,
38:37 but if the winning candidate,
38:39 is not there,
38:41 then the second one,
38:43 will win,
38:45 but if the winning candidate,
38:47 is not there,
38:49 then the second one,
38:51 will win,
38:53 but if the winning candidate,
38:55 is not there,
38:57 then the second one,
38:59 will win,
39:01 but if the winning candidate,
39:03 is not there,
39:05 then the second one,
39:07 will win,
39:09 but if the winning candidate,
39:11 is not there,
39:13 then the second one,
39:15 will win,
39:17 but if the winning candidate,
39:19 is not there,
39:21 then the second one,
39:23 will win,
39:25 but if the winning candidate,
39:27 is not there,
39:29 then the second one,
39:31 will win,
39:33 but if the winning candidate,
39:35 is not there,
39:37 then the second one,
39:39 will win,
39:41 but if the winning candidate,
39:43 is not there,
39:45 then the second one,
39:47 will win,
39:49 but if the winning candidate,
39:51 is not there,
39:53 then the second one,
39:55 will win,
39:57 but if the winning candidate,
39:59 is not there,
40:01 then the second one,
40:03 will win,
40:05 but if the winning candidate,
40:07 is not there,
40:09 then the second one,
40:11 will win,
40:13 but if the winning candidate,
40:15 is not there,
40:17 then the second one,
40:19 will win,
40:21 but if the winning candidate,
40:23 is not there,
40:25 then the second one,
40:27 will win,
40:29 but if the winning candidate,
40:31 is not there,
40:33 then the second one,
40:35 will win,
40:37 but if the winning candidate,
40:39 is not there,
40:41 then the second one,
40:43 will win,
40:45 but if the winning candidate,
40:47 is not there,
40:49 then the second one,
40:51 will win,
40:53 but if the winning candidate,
40:55 is not there,
40:57 then the second one,
40:59 will win,
41:01 but if the winning candidate,
41:03 is not there,
41:05 then the second one,
41:07 will win,
41:09 but if the winning candidate,
41:11 is not there,
41:13 then the second one,
41:15 will win,
41:17 but if the winning candidate,
41:19 is not there,
41:21 then the second one,
41:23 will win,
41:25 but if the winning candidate,
41:27 is not there,
41:29 then the second one,
41:31 will win,
41:33 but if the winning candidate,
41:35 is not there,
41:37 then the second one,
41:39 will win,
41:41 but if the winning candidate,
41:43 is not there,
41:45 then the second one,
41:47 will win,
41:49 but if the winning candidate,
41:51 is not there,
41:53 then the second one,
41:55 will win,
41:57 but if the winning candidate,
41:59 is not there,
42:01 then the second one,
42:03 will win,
42:05 but if the winning candidate,
42:07 is not there,
42:09 then the second one,
42:11 will win,
42:13 but if the winning candidate,
42:15 is not there,
42:17 then the second one,
42:19 will win,
42:21 Thank you to all the guests for listening to this conversation.
42:24 I take your leave. Allah Hafiz.