Former Gonzaga guard and WCC Player of the Year Derek Raivio joins Talking Zags to discuss the Bulldogs' home opener against Yale, his best memories playing professionally overseas and more with former All-American Dan Dickau.
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00:00 (upbeat music)
00:02 - Gonzaga Nation rolls on.
00:07 We're here with Talking Zags, episode five.
00:11 We're missing my co-host Adam Morrison today.
00:14 He should be back next week.
00:15 I repeat, should be,
00:17 as the college basketball season heats up.
00:20 Today, one of his former teammates is joining us,
00:23 Derek Ravio.
00:25 Derek, appreciate you joining.
00:26 - Yeah, thanks for having me.
00:27 It's good to be here.
00:28 - So let me first get this out of the way
00:30 because I've heard it said both ways.
00:34 Ravio or Rive-yo because I have fans to this day
00:38 tell me I say it wrong, tell me Greg Heister says it wrong.
00:41 You pronounce the last name.
00:44 - We'll go with Rive-yo.
00:45 - Yeah, if my old man was here, he would say Rive-yo.
00:48 - Okay.
00:48 - When I was a kid, I didn't really care,
00:50 but let's go Rive-yo.
00:52 - Gotcha.
00:53 - So I--
00:54 - The silent A.
00:55 - The silent A.
00:56 - The silent A.
00:57 So I will correct myself from here on out.
01:01 So--
01:02 - Much appreciated.
01:03 - Let's, without a doubt, we've known each other
01:05 for that long and I've been saying it wrong,
01:07 so I apologize.
01:08 But you can probably imagine my last name
01:10 has been butchered more than you'd want to think about.
01:13 So--
01:14 - True that.
01:14 - So you mentioned your dad right off the bat.
01:17 Your family is a tremendously well-known
01:20 basketball family in Vancouver area.
01:22 Your dad played at University of Portland.
01:25 Your dad played overseas for a number of years.
01:27 You played, obviously, here at Gonzaga.
01:29 Where did the love of the game come from?
01:31 Was it from him?
01:32 - Yeah, I think initially, yeah.
01:35 So yeah, my dad played, grew up in Portland,
01:38 drafted by the Lakers, and went overseas for 11 years.
01:42 And so I've got three other siblings
01:44 and my two younger brothers, Nick and Matt,
01:47 and myself, we were all born in Europe.
01:50 So I basically followed my dad's footsteps.
01:52 He played overseas.
01:54 And it just seemed natural and innate.
01:57 When I look back on it and I see other families,
02:01 it seems like the kids don't fall far from the parents,
02:03 like what they do for a career.
02:04 So that's what it seemed like for us.
02:06 Like my dad would say, "All right, we're going to practice."
02:09 And then, sure enough, me and Nick would just tag along
02:12 and dribble up and down the side of the court,
02:14 shoot around and stuff.
02:15 So just, yeah, I think with him,
02:17 that's kind of where it started.
02:20 - And you played about 10 years in Europe,
02:23 if I'm not mistaken.
02:24 - 10, yeah.
02:25 - And then we're moving back now to Spokane.
02:27 Your brother's still playing.
02:29 He played at Portland and he's still playing
02:31 all these years later.
02:32 - Yeah, so Nick's probably on year, gosh, 15 or 16.
02:37 And the last several years, he's been in Italy.
02:41 So like six or seven years he's been there.
02:43 It's a painful topic, but the year or two after I retired,
02:48 my grandma was going through some old family stuff,
02:54 documents, so she's German.
02:56 While going through those documents,
02:57 she found a document essentially stated
03:00 any of her heirs could be a German citizen.
03:05 So then Nick picked that up right after I retired.
03:08 So I was kind of salty there for a day.
03:11 I'm like, "Man, my career could have been different,
03:13 "but that's behind us."
03:14 So I think that passport helps Nick to keep playing.
03:17 But he's been good, like no injuries,
03:19 which is key once you're over like 30, I feel like.
03:22 - Well, we'll talk about European basketball, your career.
03:25 We'll talk about Gonzaga and growing up playing in Vancouver.
03:29 I don't know if you know this,
03:30 but we both grew up in Vancouver.
03:32 I remember watching you and your brother
03:34 actually officiating.
03:36 One of my first jobs as a kid in high school
03:38 was reffing the Oregon Prep high school tournament
03:41 similar to all the different schools.
03:42 So I remember reffing a lot of your games.
03:45 And yeah, that's the first time I remember coming across
03:48 you and your brother 'cause your dad was coaching.
03:51 Do you remember where we were playing at?
03:52 - I think you guys were named the Hornets.
03:54 Does that sound right?
03:55 - Sting, maybe?
03:56 - Sting, that's what it was.
03:57 - I think I remember you when I was a kid at Y-East.
03:59 I think you guys had like a pickup game or something.
04:02 I remember watching you play there,
04:03 like a summer league game or something.
04:05 - So it's kind of funny how things come full circle
04:07 in the game of basketball.
04:08 But I remember officiating you when I was in high school.
04:11 Years later, I had just finished playing at Gonzaga
04:14 and they're starting to recruit you.
04:16 And you know how it is once you're out of it.
04:21 Coaches will ask for former players' opinions.
04:23 Hey, what do you think of this guy?
04:23 What do you think about them?
04:24 What do you hear?
04:25 And Coach Few asked me to go work out with you in Vancouver.
04:29 I think this was after maybe my rookie
04:31 or second year in the league.
04:32 He's like, hey, I need you to go work out
04:33 this kid from Vancouver.
04:34 I'm like, who are you recruiting from Vancouver?
04:37 'Cause I mean, you're always curious.
04:40 And it ended up being you.
04:41 So you and I went to the hoop for about an hour.
04:43 Do you remember that workout?
04:45 - Kind of.
04:46 What court were we working out on?
04:48 - It was the, I think it was the back right court.
04:51 - Okay.
04:51 I vaguely remember that.
04:53 Yeah, you put me through drills and stuff.
04:54 - Yeah.
04:55 - I didn't know you were a vet in me though.
04:57 So that's interesting.
04:58 - Coach Few's always got something behind
05:01 the questions he's asking.
05:02 He'll be asking you, but he's looking back behind you,
05:07 trying to figure something else out.
05:08 - A plan, right?
05:09 A master plan.
05:10 - He's got a master plan for everything.
05:12 All these years later, the master plan for you
05:15 was you were a part of some pretty dang good teams
05:18 at Gonzaga.
05:19 You played at some pretty high levels over in Europe.
05:22 Are you amazed at what has become of this program?
05:26 - I'm not really amazed.
05:31 'Cause I think the foundation's really solid
05:34 and there's been a lot of, I guess, continuity.
05:39 So the chemistry, even with the coaching staff,
05:42 there'd be an assistant that leaves every few years
05:46 and a new guy comes in.
05:47 But I feel like the foundation blocks are always there.
05:49 You got Coach Few, you had Tommy here for a while.
05:53 You got B Mike and Gentry here.
05:56 So it's like they understand
05:58 what Coach Few's philosophy is.
06:00 So in that aspect, I'm not really surprised.
06:03 Also, it's like they like family, right?
06:08 They try to find the right pieces to fit in the cog.
06:11 So when you look at how they build a team,
06:14 I guess I'm not really surprised
06:16 'cause they do it that way and it's really intentional.
06:19 So not really.
06:22 I guess as the years go on,
06:24 the part that is concerning as a fan and alum
06:27 is just the outside landscape
06:30 with where college sports is going.
06:33 That's kind of concerning to me
06:34 'cause right now I feel like the playing field's pretty level
06:39 or it was a few years ago.
06:41 And there's a possibility for this to shift.
06:44 But that's the one concerning part.
06:47 But up to now, no, not really.
06:49 I mean, I guess I just had that rap of,
06:51 "Hey, they're in a small conference."
06:53 But to this point, it doesn't matter, right?
06:55 The only thing that we haven't done
06:57 is win a national championship.
06:58 So they've sustained that level.
07:01 I mean, I guess it is very surprising
07:05 in today's landscape though.
07:06 They've been doing it for 20, 25 years.
07:09 That's the kind of incredible, amazing part of it.
07:14 But when you step back, it's like they built that.
07:18 So it's just been sustainable.
07:20 So it kind of goes both ways, I feel like.
07:22 - So you're starting to kind of allude
07:24 to all the shifting and the changing in college athletics.
07:26 And recently, that's been such a hot topic.
07:30 We've been asking everybody that's come on the show,
07:32 WCC or go to one of these leagues
07:35 that's kind of been knocking at the door.
07:36 I think Gonzaga made the right choice
07:38 not doing the Mountain West a couple of years ago.
07:40 Adam and I talked in depth about the Big 12.
07:42 He thinks they should go.
07:44 I'm still torn.
07:45 I like the WCC.
07:47 What's your take?
07:48 - Yeah, my take is, I mean, I'm a competitor.
07:53 And like I said, it really hasn't hindered us to this point,
07:57 but I feel like things are shifting.
08:00 And I feel like we have to be proactive,
08:02 just like in life and business.
08:04 I feel like you make a calculated risk,
08:08 kind of like all the pros and cons,
08:10 and you make that move.
08:10 You don't want to be the last person just sitting there.
08:13 And then, oh crap, what's my options now?
08:15 They're not as good.
08:16 So I think Gonzaga has, they're a strong brand.
08:21 I mean, I think they're an asset to most folks.
08:24 So in my opinion, I would want to jump to a conference
08:29 that can provide financially
08:32 and plays at the highest level competition-wise
08:35 because in a few years,
08:38 I think the pendulum's gonna shift.
08:42 Players know where the money is.
08:45 Money and competition, I feel like.
08:47 I've been out of the game for a while,
08:49 but when I was playing,
08:50 I wanted to play at the highest level, compete,
08:53 and then I'm sure this money's not hurting either.
08:57 So it's like, I feel like that's where
08:58 it's gonna start funneling.
09:00 And it'd really be painful to be on the outside of that.
09:06 - And they've always been proactive,
09:09 kind of holding the WCC hostage
09:11 when they did that last negotiation
09:13 to get rid of the games in the WCC tournament,
09:17 get more of the TV money.
09:19 They've always been proactive with that.
09:21 When you look at their strengths
09:26 of going to another league,
09:29 would it be the Big 12 in your eyes?
09:31 Would it be hold off for maybe a reconfigured Pac-12?
09:36 What would it be?
09:37 - Honestly, I'm not in it every day,
09:42 so I don't really know the pros and cons of each conference,
09:46 but obviously you gotta look at a geographical standpoint,
09:51 competition, and financial benefit.
09:55 But if I were to say right now, I'd say Big 12,
09:58 just the level of play.
10:01 The funds that'll probably be available.
10:04 It's just tough 'cause you can't predict the future,
10:08 but you see these schools paying these kids a ton of money,
10:10 and then it's like you go to these other schools
10:13 that's not in a big conference,
10:15 and maybe they're a fifth of that or a quarter of that.
10:18 I don't know how you can sustain that high level
10:21 when you're always battling that threat or that competition.
10:25 - Yeah, there comes a time
10:27 they're gonna have to make a decision one way or the other.
10:29 And you're right in that you don't wanna be left
10:31 kind of last decision.
10:33 Somebody's made it for you.
10:34 - Like Oregon State and Washington State,
10:36 that situation with the football schools.
10:38 I don't know, they're in a tough position too, I feel like.
10:42 - Oh, without a doubt.
10:43 They're kind of trying to figure that out as we speak.
10:46 For people in the Northwest,
10:48 they still care about those schools,
10:50 not to the extent of Gonzaga,
10:52 but you hate to see the history of those programs
10:54 who've been good at different times.
10:56 Oregon State was in the Elite Eight four years ago.
10:58 Now all of a sudden
10:59 they're not gonna be in a power conference.
11:01 It's crazy to think.
11:02 But let's go back to your high school years
11:05 and early at Gonzaga.
11:07 So you kind of mentioned something
11:09 where you weren't really highly recruited,
11:11 but Gonzaga, Coach Few and staff
11:13 saw something in you before others
11:15 maybe were able to recognize it.
11:17 Was that what drew you to Gonzaga
11:19 to make the decision to commit early?
11:21 - Yeah, I think that was definitely a factor.
11:26 I was like a late bloomer.
11:28 So I was always pretty thin and developed late,
11:31 but I had the skills.
11:32 But going into my senior year,
11:38 I had some offers,
11:40 maybe some smaller schools,
11:41 New Mexico, Portland, Washington State,
11:45 like some small schools were giving me some offers
11:47 and sniffing around.
11:48 And then I went on the AAU circuit that summer
11:52 and really blew up.
11:54 It was like a tournament in Houston.
11:56 I blew up on that scene
11:57 and then I came home and literally had
11:59 the voicemail was stuffed.
12:01 My dad was like, "Oh, Nick, my brother told me."
12:04 Like years later, he's like, "Oh yeah, Papa was like,
12:07 "Oh, Derek must be playing while down there."
12:09 'Cause like Rick Barnes is calling him,
12:12 Lou Dolson, like all these letters are coming up.
12:16 So Gonzaga was on me before that.
12:21 But the main thing that lured me,
12:23 brought me to Gonzaga was
12:26 just like the camaraderie, the family vibe.
12:29 Blue collar, like, "Hey, we're gonna get after it."
12:34 And one of the key factors too is like development.
12:38 As I was a late bloomer, they'd work with me.
12:42 I felt like if I would have gone to one of the bigger schools
12:45 or bigger conferences, they wouldn't have been as patient.
12:48 So that was probably the top factor.
12:51 - You know, when I look at it like over the last 25 years
12:53 and how many good players have come through this program,
12:56 some were standouts from day one,
12:58 some developed into an All-American level player
13:01 like a Corey Kispert.
13:03 But each guy many times can have a kind of a reputation.
13:08 To me, you might be the most undervalued player
13:11 to ever come through this program
13:13 because I think you were tough, you were unbelievably skilled,
13:16 you won a crazy amount of games,
13:18 but you didn't get the amount of recognition
13:19 because you played with our co-host
13:21 who isn't here today, Adam Morrison.
13:24 When you would hear either myself
13:26 or somebody else say something like that,
13:29 what does that make you feel like?
13:31 - Yeah, I mean, it's very cool and humbling.
13:33 I mean, obviously I looked up to you when I was a kid
13:36 'cause like you paved that path.
13:37 I'm like, "Okay, this is what it takes."
13:40 But no, I appreciate it and it means a lot.
13:45 So, I mean, that's just team sports, you know.
13:49 Every kid that comes in from high school,
13:51 they're probably the best player on their team.
13:52 So, you get humbled along the way
13:54 and that's a good thing in the big picture.
13:56 But yeah, Adam was a big personality.
14:00 And so to this day, I've played a lot of basketball
14:05 and I've never met a player,
14:08 and he's a big personality, he's a character,
14:11 but as far as scoring a bucket
14:14 and God-given ability to put the ball in the basket,
14:17 I don't think I met a guy that can do that like him.
14:19 Like, it's crazy.
14:21 Like that mid-range floater, and he was fiery competitive.
14:26 So, it was really fun.
14:29 But yeah, I just learned,
14:31 hey, the guy shooting 60% of the game,
14:33 like get out of the way sometimes and get on the ball.
14:36 Even if that means he's gonna steal it from you sometimes.
14:39 But no, we were tight.
14:41 We were like brothers.
14:42 Like I came in, yeah, like probably pretty immature.
14:47 And he took me under his wing sometimes.
14:50 So it was fun.
14:51 Like he's a brother for life, for sure.
14:53 - You might've had the greatest run
14:55 of any Zag to impact winning.
14:59 Granted, guys have gone on scoring binges.
15:01 Drew Timmy's been on amazing runs,
15:03 but your senior year, there were some off-the-court issues.
15:07 A couple guys weren't playing games at the time.
15:09 We don't need to get into that.
15:11 But I remember you guys were undersized.
15:15 You were undermanned.
15:17 You didn't have the skill level necessarily
15:19 that some Gonzaga teams had.
15:21 But it was your senior year and in the WCC tournament,
15:24 the final stages of the year,
15:27 and then that league tournament,
15:28 you put the team on your back and you won the league title.
15:31 I remember being at that game still playing,
15:34 but that was probably the first time as a former player
15:37 I looked at it as a fan.
15:38 I was like, wow, that was awesome.
15:40 - Oh, that was cool.
15:41 - Yeah.
15:41 What do you remember of that run?
15:44 'Cause it was one of the best,
15:45 maybe month runs of any Zag player ever.
15:49 - Oh, that's cool, man.
15:50 Yeah, it was fun.
15:51 I've always been an underdog.
15:55 I had to play with a chip on my shoulder
15:56 as a smaller player.
16:00 But that was kind of the makeup of that team that year.
16:03 We knew, we started off, we had a lot,
16:05 pretty good talent.
16:06 We beat North Carolina, I believe.
16:08 We beat some highly ranked teams.
16:09 We were, gosh, top 15, top 20.
16:12 So we had some potential,
16:13 but that year, towards the end,
16:16 we were down a few guys.
16:17 And I remember talking to my dad,
16:21 he's like, man, you can't beat that team.
16:23 That doesn't get the NCAA tournament.
16:25 He was like, dude, you don't want that on your record.
16:27 So I was like, all right, well, let's figure it out.
16:29 So Pendo, who's one of my best friends,
16:32 he's a scrapper.
16:34 He stepped up big time.
16:36 Pargo stepped up.
16:37 I remember Micah.
16:39 I think Micah, he could play that year,
16:42 like the second semester.
16:44 So he had some big games,
16:45 but it was always in the back of my head.
16:48 I was like, we can't beat this crew
16:50 that ruins a streak to get to the tournament.
16:53 So yeah, I think I averaged like 18 to 20 that year.
16:58 And I was like, let's just get after it
17:01 and not beat that crew.
17:02 So honestly, if we didn't win that,
17:04 we probably wouldn't have made the NCAA tournament.
17:07 So just in that in itself,
17:10 it's like the victory for us, honestly.
17:12 And then I think we played Indiana,
17:14 first round of the tournament and they beat us.
17:17 But yeah, I mean, that just seemed like a win,
17:20 getting there with that crew.
17:22 - Well, I remember being at that game
17:23 and I know your dad a little bit, not very well,
17:27 but I remember looking over,
17:28 'cause that's in his home gym, University of Portland.
17:31 And you could tell he had a lot of pride.
17:33 And it was a fun game, a fun atmosphere to be at.
17:37 - Yeah, no, I could feel that.
17:38 Like there was some good energy there.
17:39 - Yeah, all these years later,
17:41 you've been out of the program
17:43 'cause you go play in Europe,
17:44 you come back and you see what the programs become.
17:47 And it's one of those things
17:49 where when you're not in it day to day,
17:51 you stay in touch with coaches and some of your teammates,
17:54 but then you lose a little bit of touch.
17:56 And then once you're done focusing on your own program,
17:59 you can kind of take another look back at it
18:00 and be like, where are we now?
18:02 Between the time you were done,
18:05 you go to Europe and then you move back to Spokane,
18:08 how much different was the program in a good way?
18:11 - Yeah, it's definitely taken several steps forward.
18:16 I mean, I didn't catch an North Carolina game,
18:20 that championship game,
18:21 but I was told we should have won that.
18:23 I was overseas.
18:24 So it's like we're knocking on the door.
18:28 So I feel like there's,
18:29 to get to the championship level and win it,
18:32 there's sacrifices along the way.
18:34 And I think every team, every era,
18:36 they brought that, the 99 crew,
18:40 they got a gun's egg on the map.
18:41 You brought national publicity,
18:44 you brought more eyes on the program.
18:46 Every group brings more.
18:48 Our group, we sustained it, Adam was there,
18:51 we kept growing it.
18:54 But then now it's like, okay, we went through those pains
18:59 and it's just a different level now.
19:00 So it's like, it's really cool to see.
19:03 And I'm proud of it.
19:07 Like, so you're overseas or you're playing here.
19:09 I'm working out and on these coasts,
19:12 the guns egg, I sure,
19:12 and they're like, oh, guns egg, zags,
19:14 like you guys are tough.
19:15 So it's really cool to see where it's at
19:18 and how far it's grown.
19:20 Now it's just top five, top 10 program and respected.
19:25 So now it's like, not if they're gonna win it,
19:28 it's like when, like when they're gonna win it.
19:30 So I feel like.
19:31 - No, I feel the exact same way.
19:32 It's a matter of when.
19:34 You know, you go back,
19:35 you look at your career over in Europe,
19:38 there's a different style of game over there.
19:42 When I played, when you played, it was motion,
19:45 it was a little bit of flex,
19:47 but the program was evolving.
19:48 - GU?
19:49 - What they were doing, yeah, GU.
19:50 So you play in Europe and you start seeing,
19:52 I'm sure, continuity ball screen offense.
19:54 Now you come back and when you watch Gonzaga play,
19:57 does it make you think of what you played with
20:00 and against over in Europe, the way that the style they have?
20:02 - 100%, it's like,
20:04 yeah, I wish I was like 10 years late sometimes.
20:09 That's my game, right?
20:09 Like free flowing, make reads off the ball screen.
20:12 So yeah, it's amazing how that's evolved.
20:17 But like, on another note,
20:20 like just same with like a lot of ball screens,
20:22 that's why I think some of these European players,
20:24 like the guards, like I'm generalizing,
20:28 but a lot of those guys I feel like are better
20:29 than US American players off the ball screen.
20:32 - Well, they're taught the game a different way.
20:33 - Yeah, so it's like they're taught that
20:35 from like eight years old.
20:37 So it's like ball screen, okay, he's showing hard,
20:39 I'm dropping it or I'm splitting
20:41 or this guy's open opposite corner.
20:43 So I mean, yeah, it's definitely a different game
20:47 and I wish that was when I was playing for sure.
20:51 - What was the biggest adjustment you had going
20:53 from playing at Gonzaga to playing that style in Europe?
20:57 - Well, the biggest thing which I feel like your era
21:00 or before me, whatever that was, five or 10 years before,
21:03 there was a knock on European guys being soft.
21:05 - Yeah.
21:06 - Like big guys soft, like, oh, he was the one,
21:08 you know, back to the basket.
21:10 But the biggest adjustment for me was the physicality.
21:13 - Yeah.
21:14 - It was like, right?
21:15 Like, I was like, dude, that's a foul, foul.
21:18 And the rest like keep playing, like stop whining.
21:20 So like I had to adjust to that.
21:22 A lot of like back and down bruising, where's the mismatch?
21:26 Let's find that guy or pull a big out and go out on.
21:29 So the physicality for sure.
21:32 And I think that prepares a lot of those European guys
21:35 for the NBA game really well.
21:37 - You played a lot of your time in Germany.
21:39 I played a short stint.
21:40 I know you and I, our teams were matched up
21:43 to play against each other.
21:44 - Did I play that game?
21:45 - I didn't, no.
21:46 - Did I play, I can't remember.
21:46 - I think you were out.
21:47 I played that game, but you were out.
21:49 The atmosphere of those gyms many times is a lot of like
21:54 what you're gonna see at the McCarthy Athletic Center.
21:56 The loudness, the energy.
21:58 I remember it was Yako Arena, Bomberg.
22:01 - Yeah, that place used to rock, man.
22:03 - Loudest gym I've ever been in.
22:05 - That was a great atmosphere.
22:07 - Yeah, so do you have one or two experiences at a crowd,
22:12 at a game that just like, this was on a different level?
22:16 - Yeah, so I played over there for 10 years
22:18 and I was playing in Turkey one year,
22:22 like an international cup game.
22:24 And yeah, the crowd, it was like smoke bombs.
22:30 It was like, yeah, in the crowd.
22:32 It was like, you see it like for soccer games
22:34 where like they had smoke bombs going off.
22:36 They were throwing like toilet paper on the court.
22:38 And then, I mean, I got hit with like a Euro.
22:41 So like their currency is like a $2,
22:44 or $2, it's like a thick coin.
22:47 I got hit in like the back of the head with one of those.
22:49 So it was like, there's no rules sometimes.
22:51 So like, that was crazy in Turkey and people are smoking.
22:55 So it was like smoking in there.
22:57 - Yeah.
22:57 - What else?
23:00 - Did you ever come across either playing
23:03 against a former teammate or someone you played against
23:05 in college in the WCC, like you didn't expect them
23:08 to be in the gym and then you just walked in,
23:10 wow, they're there?
23:11 - No surprises.
23:16 I played against Micah, Micah Downs in Russia.
23:19 That was an experience.
23:21 I think he was like Saratov, Russia.
23:23 And yeah, that was a cold gym.
23:26 One thing I, one thing about being overseas,
23:29 I mean, you could probably attest to this.
23:31 It just makes you so adaptable.
23:34 Like you get thick skin.
23:36 I think it'd be good for everybody, honestly.
23:39 Like you learn what a first world problem is really quick.
23:42 Like over there, it's like, I was in Japan.
23:45 They didn't even have heat in the gym.
23:47 And we were like in the Japanese Alps.
23:50 So like my teammates, bro, my teammates,
23:54 I look back and there was like buckets
23:56 of hot water, steam coming off of it.
23:59 In between timeouts, they were putting their wrists
24:02 and hands in the water to warm up.
24:04 - Seriously?
24:05 - And then they go back out.
24:06 So like the court, each corner had the space heaters
24:11 that you see in the restaurants.
24:12 That's all they had for heat.
24:13 - Wow.
24:14 - So like stuff like that, like, I mean,
24:18 you just, you would never see in the US, right?
24:21 So like even the first, you know, when I was overseas,
24:24 my first year, we were playing a preseason tournament.
24:26 The hoop on one side, it was like nine and a half
24:31 and bent like this.
24:33 The other rim was like 10 and a half bent like that.
24:36 And it's like, what are you gonna do, complain?
24:38 - I think one of my greatest experiences
24:40 with the Italian team that I signed with,
24:42 I didn't last long 'cause of an injury,
24:44 but we were supposed to play a three game tournament
24:48 in Sicily.
24:49 And we're in Avellino, which is just outside Naples.
24:53 So we take like an hour and a half bus ride
24:56 to get on a train.
24:57 The train ride is about four hours.
24:59 And then we take, then by that time,
25:02 the bus driver has caught up with us
25:04 so that we take the ferry on the bus over to Sicily.
25:08 - Over the island.
25:09 - So it was about seven, eight hours of travel in one day.
25:12 And mind you, I got hurt in our training camp
25:15 up on the Northern Italian Alps.
25:17 So I was out.
25:18 So bad back, travel seven, eight hours.
25:22 We have about an hour--
25:23 - You're feeling good, right?
25:24 - Yeah, feeling great, exactly.
25:26 Pooped up in a train the whole way.
25:29 We get to the hotel, we have an hour before we go play.
25:33 And we're a EuroLeague team at the time.
25:35 - That's crazy.
25:36 - Serie A Italian.
25:38 - And we're like top level.
25:39 - Yeah, and we're playing a second division team in Italy.
25:43 They beat us.
25:44 And I didn't play and the coach cursed me out
25:47 in the locker room before the game
25:48 'cause I said I can't play.
25:50 He's like, "This isn't the NBA, you have to play."
25:51 I'm like, "I can't play."
25:53 I just sat on a train for eight hours of travel.
25:55 So we lose the game.
25:58 We go back to the hotel.
25:59 This is now midnight.
26:01 Go back to the hotel, everything shut down, obviously.
26:03 No food, nothing.
26:05 Coach is so mad, he has to watch film.
26:09 Well, the DVD player wasn't working properly.
26:12 So you know, you can rewind frame by frame.
26:15 He wanted to watch one certain stretch of the game.
26:18 He had to go back to the start of each chapter.
26:20 So we watched a four minute stretch
26:23 to get to the two possession thing he wanted.
26:25 We watched it over probably 12 times.
26:28 So we were watching film for probably two hours that night.
26:32 And then we were supposed to play the next day.
26:35 And I had to get up at 8 a.m. to get treatment
26:38 with the trainer.
26:38 So I'm up at 8 a.m., we're supposed to play a game
26:42 at two and then the following day at three
26:43 and then we'll head back to our hometown.
26:46 We get a call at 9 a.m., tournament's off.
26:49 Two teams didn't show up 'cause they went bankrupt
26:51 and didn't make the trip.
26:53 So we had to get right back on the bus,
26:55 take the ferry, take the train all the way back.
26:58 So we did all this.
26:59 We had like 24 hours of travel
27:01 and a 36 hour stretch to play one game.
27:04 - That's an awful trip right there.
27:06 - It was the worst I'd ever been a part of.
27:07 - That's brutal.
27:10 I tell people this story and you get it
27:12 'cause you played in Europe.
27:14 - You're not surprised with anything.
27:16 You're not surprised with anything.
27:18 - Other guys that have never played in Europe,
27:20 they're like, "You're kidding, man.
27:22 "You, you get it 'cause you've seen stuff."
27:24 - I've seen it.
27:25 I've been hurt.
27:26 I've been threatened to get cut, fired.
27:27 It's so easy now coming back to America.
27:32 I think it'd be good for everybody.
27:33 Even just to travel overseas for a month.
27:35 But yeah, it's crazy.
27:38 - I was gonna say something else on that.
27:40 It would come to me.
27:42 - How many countries have you been to
27:43 through the game of basketball?
27:44 Like your passport's gotta be loaded.
27:46 - Yeah, I've got like, yeah, I had to get the extra
27:48 and then I had to get a new passport.
27:51 So I did Japan for, the places I was at,
27:53 I did Germany for three years,
27:54 the D-League for a year, Japan for a year,
27:58 Belgium for a couple years.
27:59 That was my best years there.
28:01 I was like league MVP there.
28:03 And then Russia, Czech Republic, France.
28:08 Portugal.
28:10 Then in there, you have like the International Cup stuff.
28:12 So then you travel everywhere.
28:13 - How hard is it to say you're done?
28:16 - Not that hard.
28:19 Like I thought it would be, but for me,
28:22 the main thing is like the last four or five years,
28:24 I was always in pain.
28:26 So like my game was going like this
28:28 and it wasn't fun anymore.
28:29 And I mean, I'll be honest,
28:31 like you pop an ibuprofen just to play and get out there.
28:34 Like this sucks.
28:35 Like what am I doing?
28:36 So I knew Lisbon, Portugal.
28:39 That was my last year and I was good with it.
28:41 - Lisbon, Portugal.
28:43 - It was sweet.
28:44 It was sweet.
28:45 It was awesome.
28:47 It was around the water, fresh seafood every day,
28:50 really affordable.
28:52 I mean, the coldest it got was maybe 50 degrees,
28:55 50 or 60 degrees in the summer, in the winter.
28:57 - Yeah, wow.
28:58 - So on my off days, I was swimming in the ocean.
29:01 - That's awesome.
29:02 - So we had a blast.
29:04 - Yeah.
29:05 - Let's go back to Gonzaga and their current team.
29:08 They opened against Yale, which for the--
29:11 - How are they?
29:11 - Yale, surprisingly good.
29:13 I think they've been in the NCAA tournament
29:15 for the last four years.
29:16 Ivy League school, I think four starters are returning.
29:19 How easy is it to overlook a team like Yale from the Ivy?
29:25 - Yeah, it can be easy.
29:28 It's not a household name, top whatever, powerhouse team.
29:34 So that could be a potential trap game.
29:38 And they've got experience.
29:40 So that could be upsetting the making right there,
29:43 especially in the tournament when you see a team
29:45 like upperclassmen that have got some experience.
29:48 So I mean, my advice, make it tough.
29:53 You really need to get rid of the hope early.
29:56 Like you don't give them any confidence.
29:57 So force a lot of turnovers and don't let them hang around.
30:03 Most teams can be dangerous in the last eight minutes
30:05 of a game.
30:06 - When you look at the rest of Gonzaga's schedule,
30:09 like they did this when you were playing there.
30:12 They've done this.
30:13 They'll play anybody, anywhere.
30:14 They're at the Maui tournament.
30:15 Granted, it's in Honolulu this year 'cause of the fires.
30:17 - Are you going?
30:18 - I'm not.
30:19 Mo, I believe, should be there calling the games on the radio.
30:23 You played in Maui.
30:24 How cool and unique is that tournament?
30:28 And then when you look at the general schedule,
30:31 you as a fan now.
30:33 What do you look at?
30:34 - The Maui Invitational, that was an awesome tournament.
30:39 I had great memories there.
30:40 We lost, that was Mo's junior year.
30:44 We lost in the finals to UConn, at the buzzer, I believe.
30:49 So we beat Maryland, Michigan State, and lost to UConn.
30:52 That was a blast.
30:53 So they'll have a ton of fun there.
30:54 It's an early season tournament.
30:56 And then as a fan now, I mean, honestly, as a fan,
31:03 selfishly, you wanna see the schedule packed
31:05 with top 25 teams every night out.
31:10 I don't think that's realistic
31:13 'cause you gotta find that balance.
31:14 But it would be nice, speaking for some friends and fans too,
31:19 if we had some tougher teams at home.
31:23 - Well, they did last year with Kentucky,
31:25 but it was at the arena.
31:26 - I'll take that.
31:28 So that's good.
31:28 But yeah, there were some schools,
31:32 I didn't know who they were.
31:33 They were on that schedule at home.
31:35 (laughing)
31:37 I wonder what the fellows are thinking in the locker room.
31:40 - That's always an interesting one
31:42 'cause you gotta have--
31:44 - You gotta get some wins, right?
31:45 - You gotta get wins, you gotta be prepared.
31:47 But yeah, when you're as a competitor,
31:49 you look at a schedule, you're like,
31:50 "UConn, I can play.
31:52 I'm ready to play that one.
31:53 San Diego State, yeah, they were the top of the game."
31:56 Who's this?
31:57 - You're like, "Okay, I gotta go hard
32:00 for like 15, 20 minutes."
32:02 - Might not get in the second half.
32:03 You're like, "Bro, I wanna play."
32:04 - You know you gotta get your numbers.
32:07 You don't say it, but the coaches know it too.
32:09 Why do you think Drew Timmy played 30 minutes
32:11 a game last year?
32:12 'Cause coaches know, "Okay, we need an All-American.
32:15 We need him to be a player of the year.
32:16 He's gotta get X amount of minutes
32:18 so he can get his 22 points."
32:20 - So you think they get those cupcake teams
32:22 to get those numbers still?
32:23 - No, not necessarily, but guys will play long enough minutes
32:27 to be able to get--
32:28 - Once they hit, they pull 'em.
32:29 - That happens.
32:30 I'm not gonna say that GU does it on purpose,
32:33 but I know schools do.
32:34 - As a player, I don't know how you thought,
32:36 but if there was a cupcake, like a scrub team,
32:40 you're like, "All right, man.
32:41 I might only play 18 minutes a night.
32:43 I'm gonna have to go super hard early."
32:46 'Cause like, did you ever think that?
32:48 And it's like, "All right, I'm trying to get
32:52 a workout in too.
32:53 Let's just stay sharp, go hard."
32:55 - It's a fine line.
32:57 - Yeah, like you're not, you're staying
32:59 on the system, obviously, but--
33:01 - But you know you can beat the guy in front of you.
33:04 - Yeah, you're like, "I'll make a play."
33:05 - You can manipulate a ball screen
33:06 to create a shot for yourself.
33:07 Or maybe you can get out in transition,
33:09 use a drag screen to get an extra layup
33:11 from there. - Right, an early shot.
33:12 - Yeah, when you look at Coach Few
33:14 and his style over the years,
33:16 I see a guy who he's continued to improve as a coach,
33:21 like with his tactical skills, his Xs and Os.
33:25 He knows who he is in recruiting.
33:27 He knows who he is with player development.
33:29 What have you seen from Coach Few?
33:32 I mean, what are your observations from afar?
33:36 - Yeah, I think a lot of the same things you touched on.
33:39 I think he's done a good job over the years
33:43 of changing, evolving his style
33:45 with like how the game's changed.
33:47 I feel like he's given more players longer leashes.
33:49 He's let more guys play their strengths.
33:55 I think, yeah, in-game adjustments,
33:58 I think he's gotten a lot better at that too.
34:00 So yeah, I mean, obviously it's working.
34:04 If he stayed the same, he'd probably not be successful.
34:08 So he's sharp enough and smart enough
34:10 to see that and make those changes.
34:12 So I mean, I think he's gonna be here
34:15 for another 30 years, 20, 30 years.
34:17 I mean, it's been a while.
34:18 - Yeah, he's been a while.
34:19 I mean, you look at it, he's the all-time winningest coach
34:23 by percentage.
34:24 If things keep trending in the same direction,
34:27 you gotta start looking at like all-time amount of wins too.
34:31 - Do you know what that is?
34:32 - Well, Coach K has it.
34:34 But Coach K, Coach tells you he's 70-something.
34:37 I don't know if Coach K is gonna wanna go that long.
34:39 - How old is he?
34:40 - I wanna say he's 57.
34:42 I mean, he was young when he took over.
34:44 He was in the mid-30s.
34:46 - Was he really?
34:47 - So I know, I mean, but he's a competitor.
34:49 Competitors wanna, maybe once you get that first title,
34:52 it's like, all right, I'm good.
34:54 But then it also could work the other way.
34:55 - Right, I want more.
34:56 - You get one, I want another one.
34:57 I wanna keep going.
34:58 - I want more, I want more.
34:59 - Did you ever wanna get into coaching?
35:01 - No. - No.
35:02 - How come?
35:03 - I'm like a family guy.
35:06 I'm low-key, so the main thing with me is just,
35:09 I wanna be with my family.
35:10 I see like with coaching,
35:11 just friends and family that are in it,
35:14 they're always traveling.
35:15 They're always on, like on their phone, at the gym.
35:18 And I feel like the family is kinda like,
35:21 you know, play second fiddle sometimes.
35:23 That's just my observation.
35:25 So I didn't want that.
35:28 I valued my kids.
35:29 Not saying they don't,
35:30 but I just wanna be around all the time.
35:32 I wanna be in control of my schedule.
35:34 So that was the main reason.
35:35 - And now you're in real estate investing
35:38 and selling real estate, right?
35:40 - Correct.
35:40 Yeah, so now I've been investing in real estate
35:43 for about 10 years.
35:44 And then recently I got my real estate commercial license.
35:49 So yeah, so my main asset class is apartments.
35:53 So we'll represent clients
35:55 that are looking to buy or sell apartments,
35:57 or investment income, producing properties,
36:01 primarily commercial.
36:02 And then we also invest also.
36:04 So we'll buy apartment communities
36:07 and we'll form partnerships too.
36:09 So just kind of the whole gamut in that division.
36:14 - You get competitive in the world of real estate
36:16 like you did that senior year
36:18 where you kind of had to just take everything
36:20 on your shoulders and go get it.
36:21 - Yeah, that's my outlet actually.
36:23 So I think, instead of basketball now it's business.
36:26 So I like the numbers.
36:28 I like seeing where there's value
36:29 or where we can implement certain things
36:32 and see it full circle.
36:35 So that's really where that outlet is now
36:39 is business and real estate.
36:40 - You still play at all?
36:42 I mean, you mentioned you were kind of
36:43 at the tail end of your career.
36:44 You had injury after injury.
36:46 And sometimes once you're done playing
36:48 you just put it away for good.
36:50 - I don't think it's done for good.
36:52 I wanna play, show my kids I can still shoot a ball
36:55 and play a little bit maybe.
36:57 But I'm looking for a pickup game now.
37:00 So--
37:01 - Shoot 360, we'll organize one for you.
37:02 - No, I'm starting to get the itch.
37:04 So yeah, I'm looking for a game.
37:07 I don't want too competitive.
37:08 Like I'm just trying to shoot the breeze with the guys.
37:10 - Yeah, for sure.
37:11 - You know, break a sweat.
37:12 - Derek Ravio shows up at a random open gym.
37:14 Guys are like--
37:15 - You're in Gonzaga and they go full speed at you.
37:17 Pick you up 94 feet.
37:19 Like I was here just to get a sweat.
37:20 - You know how that is, right?
37:22 You've been there.
37:22 It's like, I just wanna like laugh around, like sweat.
37:25 I'm not trying to win every game.
37:28 - Yeah.
37:29 Give me your best, give me your Gonzaga
37:32 all time starting five.
37:33 Obviously take me out.
37:35 If you included me, I don't care, but don't do it now.
37:39 I'm not asking to be included.
37:40 But me and Adam are hosts of the show.
37:43 Take Adam and myself out.
37:45 Who are your all, who's your Gonzaga five?
37:47 If you gotta win a game.
37:49 - Win a game.
37:49 Okay.
37:52 I would go, I like Nigel just from like his short.
37:56 Was he one year or two years?
37:57 - Just one.
37:58 - So I mean from his short sample size,
38:00 like efficiency, leadership, I gotta go with him.
38:03 Who else?
38:07 Sabonis.
38:09 - You can't go wrong with him.
38:09 - Rock solid, like just a worker, grinder.
38:13 Who else is up there?
38:14 Brandon Clark I liked.
38:16 - Yeah.
38:16 Don't have to run a play for him.
38:17 - No, is he a four?
38:19 I'll call him a four.
38:19 - Yeah.
38:20 - Sabonis a five.
38:21 Who are the two and threes?
38:24 I was gonna throw Adam in there, but.
38:27 - Yeah, I mean, I always like to go,
38:29 I mean, I go old with Blake Stepp.
38:31 I mean, I think Blake Stepp, similar to you,
38:33 undervalued, forgotten a little bit.
38:35 - I only really knew Blake my senior year.
38:37 So I never like got to appreciate
38:39 the freshman, sophomore, and junior years.
38:41 - Well, Blake was hurt.
38:42 Like after his freshman year,
38:44 he had micro fracture surgery.
38:46 And back then, like that was a 15 month recovery.
38:49 He was back in four months.
38:51 - No way.
38:51 - Yeah, he didn't practice.
38:53 My senior year, his sophomore, he didn't practice.
38:55 Steve DeLong, our trainer, he would,
38:58 he'd be on the bike.
38:59 And then once we got to a drill or a scrimmage session,
39:03 or like a breakdown for an upcoming opponent
39:05 that Coach Pheu wanted him in on,
39:08 Coach Pheu would wave, Blake would come in,
39:10 he'd go for about four or five minutes of practice,
39:12 and then he'd be done, go right back to the bike.
39:13 - That's crazy.
39:14 - And he was that good.
39:15 It was crazy.
39:16 - That's so difficult, right?
39:18 Like to get your timing and rhythm doing that?
39:19 - Yeah.
39:20 - That was, what year was that for him?
39:21 - That was his sophomore year, my senior year.
39:23 - No, Blake was probably one of the best passers
39:25 I played with.
39:26 Another like underrated guy was Corey.
39:29 - Violet. - Violet.
39:30 Like he was just like solid, never complained,
39:33 sneaky, bouncy.
39:34 So, but I need a wing.
39:38 - You got some options.
39:40 I mean, you got Kispert, Iyai.
39:42 - Four of those guys.
39:45 What, Micah Downs you played with?
39:48 - His program is, it's crazy.
39:52 It was called Point Guard U years ago
39:54 'cause it stopped. - It's like Big U now,
39:55 I feel like. - Now it's Bigs, yeah.
39:57 Richard Fox kills me on broadcast all the time.
40:00 Yeah.
40:01 - You and Heister and Foxy, you guys are the crew, right?
40:04 - Yeah, we're the crew.
40:05 We did the--
40:06 - How long you guys been together for?
40:07 - Over 10 years.
40:08 - Dang.
40:08 - Yeah, we enjoy it.
40:09 We have a good time.
40:10 Sometimes we get accused of going off the rails.
40:12 But you mentioned it, like we get the games
40:15 that you as fans complain about.
40:17 Like 45-- - You're falling asleep,
40:18 right, what do you talk about?
40:19 - I mean, we have like,
40:21 if you're watching the game on TV,
40:24 you can see that such and such player made the basket
40:27 and you can read on the graphic they're now up by 42.
40:29 We don't have to describe that.
40:31 Like, inject some stories into it.
40:34 So that's what Heister I think does a great job
40:36 of keeping it somewhat entertaining and fun
40:39 in these boat races.
40:40 - I like laughing at it.
40:41 I check in sometimes.
40:43 I'll have to get back to you on my wings.
40:45 - Richie Fromm would be up there.
40:48 I mean, you're right though, it's point guards and bigs.
40:51 - Yeah, I'm missing somebody.
40:54 - You can double up on bigs then if you want.
40:56 Or you could text in your answer.
40:59 - Terry Offer is up there.
41:00 He's my guy.
41:01 Kyle Wilcher, shooter, scorer.
41:05 That guy's a bucket.
41:08 - Yeah.
41:09 Who was the guy, the crew with like,
41:13 I'm gonna say Rui, but,
41:15 who was the crew that lost to Carolina?
41:19 Who was that?
41:20 - That was Nigel and Josh.
41:22 Killian was a young player.
41:24 Shemek.
41:25 - Collins was on that crew.
41:27 - Zach Collins was a freshman.
41:29 Zach Norvell, I think, registered that year.
41:34 - Zach was tough.
41:34 - There's so many players these days now.
41:36 There's 11 guys in the NBA,
41:38 and there's, I don't know how many are playing
41:40 on a high level year and internationally.
41:42 It's hard to keep track of them all.
41:45 Is there one former Zag that you wish
41:46 you could have played with?
41:48 Like, add him to any one of your guys' teams
41:52 and you would have made a crazy deep run.
41:54 - Maybe like a Sabonis or Zach Collins.
42:01 Or Brian Clark.
42:04 Rim protector.
42:06 Don't need to run plays for him.
42:08 Efficient like that.
42:09 - No, I agree.
42:11 I think you could put Sabonis on any team.
42:13 - Don't complain.
42:14 - And then it would bolster that lineup.
42:15 Yeah, it makes it work.
42:17 Well, I appreciate the time.
42:19 One last thing before I let you go,
42:21 here with talking Zags.
42:24 The season's here.
42:26 Eight straight years in the Sweet 16.
42:28 Five of the last eight, they're in the Elite Eight.
42:30 Two Final Fours now.
42:32 We all think they're gonna win a national title
42:34 at some point, but what do you hope to see
42:37 out of this team this year?
42:39 I know there's only been one exhibition game.
42:41 You mentioned off camera that you didn't watch
42:43 the whole thing, you watched bits and pieces of it.
42:46 But what do you expect or what do you hope
42:47 out of this year's team?
42:48 - Chemistry, really.
42:52 I mean, it's a new team, I feel like.
42:54 So, hopefully they can gel sooner than later
42:56 and really just peak at the right time.
42:58 That...
43:02 - Yeah.
43:03 I mean, are they deep this year?
43:06 - They could be, but here's the fan conundrum.
43:10 So many times fans will be like,
43:11 oh, we got seven, eight pros.
43:13 Don't know about that.
43:16 Coach Phiu always tends to, like there's--
43:18 - He's got a shorter rotation.
43:19 - There's 11 guys that are good,
43:20 but Coach Phiu always whittles it down to eight.
43:23 This might be a nine-year rotation,
43:25 but I still, he loves that number.
43:26 - It's always eight.
43:27 - He loves eight-year rotations.
43:28 - So, okay, who are the starters right now,
43:29 if you had to pick?
43:30 - Well, I think it's Nigel,
43:32 Nolan and Nembhardt for sure.
43:35 Then I think the three is the one that's up in the air.
43:38 It could be Steele Venters or Dusty Stroman, the freshman.
43:42 The bigs are EK and Anton.
43:46 Ben Gregg's gonna play.
43:49 I think Brayden Huff has showed that he's gonna play.
43:52 - Those are seven, eight guys that you know.
43:55 I like the Luka kid.
43:57 He's got a good feel.
43:57 - Yes, I agree.
43:58 - He's got a nice feel.
43:59 - Pathology.
44:00 He's a legit six-four.
44:02 He's a big guard.
44:03 - Can he finish, is he Duncan?
44:04 Can he finish at the right end?
44:04 - He had a Duncan in transition the other day.
44:06 Seven assists, I think, with zero turnovers, too.
44:09 That was impressive.
44:10 - If he stays the course, I don't know how he's doing,
44:13 but if he doesn't get too down on himself,
44:17 makes it through this year,
44:18 I think he's got some good potential.
44:20 It sounds like the question mark
44:21 is that shooting guard position,
44:23 that two, the three.
44:25 Dusty or Steele.
44:28 I feel like you need a third or fourth option,
44:31 scoring-wise,
44:32 that can get you 10 to 13 at night.
44:36 So if they can do that, I mean.
44:38 - 'Cause last year, they weren't deep.
44:40 - No, no.
44:41 - The margin for error was so slight, I feel like.
44:43 - Yeah.
44:43 - Who was it?
44:44 It was Drew, Julian.
44:46 Usually one of those two.
44:48 Drew would always show up offensively, yeah.
44:51 - Offensively, yeah.
44:52 - We're not gonna.
44:53 - Yeah.
44:54 - He was a bucket.
44:55 - To go on that, Coach Phil has told me this
44:59 on many occasions, the worst defenders in the program,
45:02 you, me, and Mo.
45:04 - Get out of here.
45:04 At least I tried.
45:05 - Yeah, no, I tried too.
45:07 Adam didn't try.
45:08 He'll probably tell you the same thing.
45:09 - Mo didn't even try.
45:10 I'm like, dude, you gotta try.
45:11 - No, but he has told me that on more than one occasion.
45:15 But Drew, I think there were times last year,
45:17 and I'll get crushed, somebody will make a comment.
45:20 There were times Drew just was like,
45:21 eh, you know what, he can score, 'cause guess what?
45:24 I'm gonna go get an and one on the other end.
45:25 - Yeah, exactly.
45:26 - So, but yeah.
45:28 - No, but I guess, yeah, to go far,
45:31 they need another guy to step up.
45:33 So last year they weren't, they overachieved,
45:37 I felt like, last year.
45:38 So hopefully, you know,
45:40 they get another guy to step up this year.
45:42 - Awesome.
45:43 There you have it on Talkin' Zags.
45:46 Special guest, former great point guard, Derek Riveo.
45:50 I got it right this time, right?
45:52 Perfect.
45:53 I'm excited to have him join again sometime
45:54 when his buddy Adam Morrison's back in studio.
45:57 So thanks for following Gonzaga Nation.
45:59 We'll see you again real soon.
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