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00:25 Hey everyone, welcome to the Big 3 NBA Podcast. I'm Kwani Lewis, A-Shaw Blakely, Gary Washburn.
00:32 The three of us, the Big 3, we're together. How are y'all doing?
00:36 I'm wonderful. I'm feeling gooder than good, good, good.
00:40 Wow, great grammar over there. Gary, how are you feeling?
00:43 I'm good, yeah. Everything is good.
00:45 He's gooder than his gooder, gooder.
00:47 So you're good, good, Gary? Are you good, good?
00:50 Um...
00:51 You don't get that reference, Kwani. You don't get that reference.
00:55 No, I don't.
00:56 You don't know about Usher? Usher?
00:59 Usher, baby.
01:00 Usher, baby. Okay, anyway.
01:02 I heard him. I know who he is and know his songs.
01:06 So I left you out for some time.
01:08 You know what I'm trying to be? I'm trying to be better in 24, like Sherrod said. That's what I'm trying to do.
01:13 I'm still working toward that.
01:15 Two words for you, Gary. Two words for you. Keep trying.
01:18 Yeah. Be better in 24.
01:21 This is a good transition because we're going to get into our big three topics.
01:25 One person who has been better and is now...
01:29 Sherrod, is the Gatorade good? You got a bigger bottle?
01:34 Nah, Ashley.
01:35 Go on.
01:37 We got 40 ounces of Gatorade now?
01:40 Oh, God.
01:42 I would say you're hydrated, but I do not think...
01:44 Are you good, Sherrod? You ready?
01:46 Let's go.
01:47 All right.
01:48 I need to be better.
01:51 Let's get into it. Former Celtic Chauncey Phillips, Sherrod's guy, Hall of Fame bound.
01:58 But was there a bigger mistake made by Rick Patino is the question that we're asking in our first of three big three topics.
02:08 Well, first of all, it's glad that we're talking about big three because Chauncey's draft class was as trash as trash can be.
02:17 Because there were a whopping three all-stars from his draft class.
02:21 Chauncey, some dude named Tim Duncan, and some dude named Tracy McGrady.
02:28 And the crazy part about that is the Celtics had an opportunity to draft two out of those three players.
02:34 And they went with this dude Ron Mercer instead of T-Mac.
02:39 And T-Mac has talked in the past about how basically he tanked that interview process with the Celtics because he didn't want to play for Rick Patino.
02:48 He didn't want to play for him coming out of high school, which he was doing.
02:50 And he didn't want to play for him in the NBA.
02:52 He did not want to walk through that door.
02:54 No.
02:55 Well done, Kwanee.
02:56 Well done.
02:58 Even Gary got to give you props for that one.
03:01 Well done.
03:02 That was well played.
03:03 So, yeah, so I mean as bad as him like drafting Chauncey who goes on to have win a championship and has a Hall of Fame-esque career,
03:13 passing on T-Mac was probably the bigger sin because T-Mac was the truth.
03:17 I mean he was that dude then.
03:20 So, yeah, Patino, Chauncey was bad, but I think not drafting T-Mac was probably worse.
03:29 Yeah, I mean I feel like that was a really tough situation.
03:34 Like they had Joe Johnson.
03:36 The Celtics were kind of building a core, and Patino gave up on him after 51 games.
03:43 I just don't--I know there's been rookies traded during their rookie year.
03:48 I know Kevin Johnson was traded.
03:50 People think he came with Phoenix.
03:52 He was drafted by the Cavaliers and played like 30-something games with the Cavaliers where he was traded to Phoenix.
03:58 Obviously, where he spent the rest of his career and had like a number of retired in Phoenix.
04:03 So, I know I've seen rookies get--we've all seen rookies get traded.
04:06 Not--generally not after 50 games.
04:09 Usually it might be after the rookie year.
04:13 Patino gave him 51 games and moved him to Toronto.
04:16 I just--he said--I talked to him several years ago, and he said he regretted that, obviously.
04:23 It was a--you know, he was impatient.
04:26 He didn't have the patience for the rookies.
04:27 There was so much pressure on the Celtics to win under him because, remember, he had kind of pushed Red Auerbach out
04:34 and kind of took over all basketball operations.
04:37 Remember, we're talking about the late '90s, so you're talking about Reggie Lewis has already passed,
04:44 Lynn Bias, Bird, McHale, and Parrish are long retired.
04:49 This organization had gone through a lot of hard times,
04:52 and they were looking for something new, different, you know, someone who could come in there and run the show
04:59 and take them back to prosperity.
05:01 You know, they had let go ML Carr.
05:03 You know, they had tried, you know, Chris Ford, ML Carr, Jimmy Rogers, guys who were nice, you know,
05:09 good assistants or good players as the Celtics, but never quite could push them to the next level.
05:15 And the Celts didn't find anybody to do that until 2005, '04, '05 with Doc.
05:20 But it was an unfortunate situation for Chauncey.
05:24 I think he even was surprised they gave up on him and disappointed about it,
05:28 and he bounced around, you know, before landing in Detroit and obviously becoming Mr. Big Shot.
05:35 Like, Sherrod's real happy about that.
05:38 So I think the Celtics dropped the ball on that totally.
05:43 I mean, they could have taken McGrady, and I don't want to--I'm not blaming them for Ron Mercer.
05:47 Ron Mercer was supposed to be a really good player.
05:51 Like, anybody who remembers those teams and Ron Mercer--I heard of him when he was in high school.
05:57 Ron Mercer was supposed to be a Kobe type.
06:00 He was supposed to be a difference-making, big-time NBA player.
06:05 Like, so the fact that they took Mercer--if you could look at it now, you'd be like,
06:10 "Who was that? I don't even remember him. He was trash."
06:12 Like, all these younger folks never heard of Mer--
06:15 When Ron Mercer was in high school, he was, like, number--top two or three in his high school class.
06:20 He was supposed to be a very good pro, and it didn't--you know, I think he played eight, nine years,
06:26 maybe shorter than that.
06:28 He wasn't a complete bust, but he ended up being kind of like a guy.
06:32 And, you know, that was a situation for me where--revisionist history, you would, of course, take T-Mac.
06:41 You know, they tried for Duncan. They tanked like hell to get Duncan, and they lost the lottery.
06:48 Like, that was probably one of the bigger, like, negative--not negative--bigger disappointments in Celtics history
06:57 is losing out because of the '96-'97 season, they literally tanked to hell to try to get Tim Duncan.
07:07 And they--that was supposed to--and they ended up losing it, obviously, to San Antonio,
07:12 and they ended up getting Chauncey and Mercer.
07:16 And so from the moment that they missed out on the lottery, anything--anybody that the Celtics would have taken
07:24 was never going to be Tim Duncan, obviously. It was always going to be scrutinized,
07:28 and I just think Chauncey was the victim of that, unfortunately.
07:32 All's well that ends well, though.
07:35 I guess so. It worked out for them. It worked out for them. Right.
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08:35 Rondo, Raja Rondo, an actual former Celtic.
08:40 Hall of Fame. Do you two think he, and for those who don't know, he formally retired this week,
08:48 even though I honestly thought he had retired already, but.
08:51 You were not alone in that assessment, Kwani.
08:54 Thank you, thank you. I was like, wait, what you mean you done?
08:58 I could have sworn you ain't played since, oh, okay, all right.
09:05 But do you two think he's Hall of Fame worthy?
09:08 Gary.
09:09 Granted the Celtics are already running out of numbers.
09:11 Because that's Gary's boy, so Gary, you should jump on this one first. That's your boy.
09:14 Not his boy.
09:16 I think he has an argument. That's Gary's.
09:18 I think he has an argument.
09:20 I think that he, two titles, three-time NBA assist leader, four-time All-Star.
09:29 I think what's happening with the Hall of Fame, and I think people are going to have,
09:35 you know, people are not going to be thrilled with this class led by Vince Carter and Chauncey Billups.
09:41 Two great guys. Two guys that we've all gotten to know over the years.
09:46 And, you know, gentlemen of the game and really good players,
09:51 but neither are just can't, you know, miss Hall of Famers, right?
10:00 Vince, I think for his longevity, got in, and he was one of the more exciting players in the league.
10:08 No championships. I don't think he even went to a finals.
10:12 I don't know. Was he on those? No, he was, I think, on those Nets teams in the early 2000s.
10:19 Wasn't he? I didn't look at that. Was he on those Nets teams in the early 2000s?
10:26 But, you know, for me, he was one of the more exciting players in the league.
10:32 Played 22 years, all-time leader.
10:38 No, he was not. I'm sorry. He was not on those Nets teams.
10:42 Excuse my faux pas there. He got there a few years later from Toronto.
10:46 So no finals appearances.
10:50 But to me, probably a borderline Hall of Famer.
10:56 And now I think Chauncey's waited so long, people were like, well, what about him?
10:59 Because I think, I'll just say this.
11:03 Having gotten those folks to Hall, having covered the event the last 15 years now,
11:10 there was a lot of people, a lot of the old heads from the 60s and 70s,
11:17 who were not happy that they weren't getting elected.
11:20 Guys like Chet "The Jet" Walker from the Philadelphia 76ers.
11:24 Guys who were great players in their day, but the NBA does a terrible job of
11:29 not only celebrating his past, but the vaults, the videos.
11:35 You can't get up and look at a 1967 NBA Finals game.
11:40 If you do, it's highlights.
11:43 The NFL, you can go look at the '67 Super Bowl.
11:46 You can go look at some of these all-time great players.
11:49 Jim Brown, how many videos have we seen of Jim Brown back in the day?
11:54 We've seen photos of Bill Russell. We've seen photos of Will Chamberlain.
11:58 But maybe not as much video.
12:00 I think those players felt underappreciated, so there's this ground swell
12:04 of letting those guys in.
12:06 Then all of a sudden it became guys like Mitch Richmond, guys like Bernard King,
12:11 guys like now Tim Hardaway.
12:14 If Tim Hardaway gets in, Ron Rondo's got a shot if you put their numbers up.
12:20 The bar is lowering for the Hall of Fame.
12:25 It's just the way it is.
12:28 Some people are going to have issues with Chauncey.
12:30 Some people are going to have issues with Vince.
12:32 There's a lot of guys probably from the '80s who will feel like,
12:35 "Where's my chance?"
12:37 Maurice Cheeks got in a few years ago.
12:41 If Maurice Cheeks gets in, Rajon Rondo's got a shot.
12:46 Some of the off-the-court things, some of his attitude might be to his detriment,
12:52 but I think he's got a legitimate shot.
12:54 If he got in, I wouldn't be like, "Oh, this is a sham,"
12:58 because I do think the bar for the Hall has been lowered.
13:01 A lot of those guys were allowed to get into the Hall of Fame.
13:04 They kind of complained about it.
13:06 Now a lot of the current players or the players in the last 20 years
13:10 are getting in.
13:11 The Chris Mullins, obviously, Tim Richmond, Tim Hardaway,
13:16 guys who were like, "Yeah, he was pretty good,"
13:19 but Bobby Jones, guys who were very good players, maybe not great.
13:27 I think that's what we're going to have to accept at this point
13:32 because now there's going to be, after the Kobe, Duncan, Garnett,
13:38 there's fewer and fewer great, all-time great players retiring.
13:43 We're going to--like, who's next in line, right?
13:47 Wade's gotten in.
13:50 I'm trying to think of just--Dirk's gotten in.
13:55 Who is the great--I can't really say, like,
13:59 "Oh, we're waiting for this guy to get in."
14:02 LeBron's still playing, so we don't know when he's getting in.
14:05 We already know that's happening.
14:07 Chris Paul will get in. Chris Paul, he'll get in.
14:09 Four years after he retired.
14:10 Steph, those are the guys we're kind of waiting on,
14:13 but them guys are still playing.
14:15 KD--so we're talking about--
14:17 Russ, people are arguing about Russ.
14:19 Yeah, people are--so that's like seven, eight, nine years from now.
14:23 So there's going to be a gap of players
14:27 that we're going to be shaking our heads like, "Who?"
14:29 Or, "That he got in?"
14:32 How he get in.
14:33 Yeah, how he--who he played for.
14:37 That's unfortunately how it's going to shake out
14:42 because I just think that there's definitely a gap here,
14:46 and I definitely think, you know, Chris Webber--
14:49 remember, for years, Chris Webber was waiting to get in.
14:52 Chris Webber got in. Grant Hill got in.
14:55 So all these guys who are retired, they've gotten in already.
15:00 So who's next? That's my question.
15:04 Yeah, I mean, it's to the point where the guys that are getting in,
15:11 not only are you questioning, you know, just the validity of them getting in,
15:17 but then when you start looking at their numbers,
15:19 it doesn't really add up.
15:21 It doesn't add up to what you would consider a Hall of Fame career
15:24 because, I mean, you look at Rondo's numbers,
15:26 you look at Chauncey's numbers, there's not a huge difference.
15:29 Chauncey's got one more, I think, all-star appearance than Rondo.
15:32 He's got five. Rondo's got four. Rondo's got an extra chip.
15:34 He's got two. Chauncey's got one.
15:36 Both guys have had moments where they were, you know, all NBA defense.
15:41 Chauncey has been all NBA. I think he's like second or third team once or twice.
15:46 But you really find yourself just--there really isn't a huge gap
15:51 between the two of them.
15:53 And so if I'm Rondo, I'm feeling pretty damn good
15:56 about my chances of getting into the Hall of Fame at some point.
15:59 Is it going to be first ballot? Probably not.
16:02 But at some point, to Gary's point, you're going to start looking at
16:06 who are the available players.
16:08 And if you look at guys who are going to be out of the game
16:11 for the next three or four years, and then you project a few years after that
16:15 when they become eligible for the Hall, it's hard to imagine that Rondo's
16:20 going to have this long wait time before he gets in
16:23 because I think Rondo's going to be eligible right at that time
16:27 where the Steph Currys and those guys maybe just finished playing
16:30 and still have that time period to wait before they become eligible.
16:33 Rondo's probably going to get in during that time.
16:36 So he may potentially be someone that could be a headliner
16:40 for his induction class. He may be one of the top players.
16:43 And to me, with Rondo, whether you like him, whether you think he's a pain in the--
16:49 you know what, the one thing I will say about him that no one disputes--
16:54 when the playoffs roll around, he's ready. He steps up.
16:58 I mean, when your nickname is "Playoff Rondo,"
17:02 that moniker lets everyone know that you are that.
17:05 You are him in the playoffs. You're playing with Kevin Garnett,
17:09 Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, and many, many games in the playoffs.
17:13 You are better than all of them. You know it, and they know it.
17:16 And that, to me, is why when he gets the call--because he will get the call--
17:22 nobody should be tripping about that because if you think about the era
17:26 in which he played, how many guys were that good in that particular stage
17:32 with multiple future Hall of Famers around them?
17:36 And Rondo, he stood out for all the right reasons in the playoffs.
17:41 But, you know, again, he's a guy that I think absolutely will get in.
17:45 It's just a matter of when, not if.
17:48 Yeah. I think his numbers show it.
17:52 I think it's definitely his numbers show it.
17:56 And the bar has been lowered, so you're looking for John Stockton numbers,
18:04 Isaiah Thomas numbers. We're not going to get those anymore.
18:08 Yeah, as if sealed.
18:10 We're going to get guys--tell those guys, the Chris Pauls, KDs, Stephs,
18:18 and all those guys retire, and then Hall, which I'd say is the next decade,
18:23 somewhere in the 230s, 2030s, we're going to get over the next few years
18:29 some very interesting names.
18:37 Amari Stoudemire.
18:41 Throw in Michael Cooper.
18:42 Yeah, Marcus Johnson, who I think deserves to be in.
18:45 I think he deserves to be in.
18:48 It's going to be some interesting names,
18:52 and some names that people are going to be probably not happy with
18:57 because they're, "Oh, that guy ain't no Hall of Famer."
19:01 But welcome to the new world because the bar, as I've said before,
19:05 the bar has been lowered, and I think people appreciate guys like Chris Webber,
19:13 Grant Hill, Charles E. Bill to what they did, but Hall of Famer,
19:18 you didn't say like, "Oh, yeah," without--
19:21 "Oh, that's what I think we think Hall of Famer's on."
19:25 I'm not going to put it in Jordan, but Stockton and Malone, KG,
19:31 obviously Kobe, Duncan, David Robinson, the greats of the game.
19:38 All of a sudden, Derrick Rose is going to come up whenever he finishes playing.
19:42 There's going to be a debate about that.
19:45 Every MVP of the league has gotten into the Hall of Fame.
19:49 Is Derrick going to get in considering his injury history?
19:54 He might be the first one to not get in.
19:56 Yeah, not to get in.
19:57 So there's a lot to tackle with the Hall of Fame,
20:02 but I'm very, very happy for Chauncey.
20:05 I think he's been a gentleman of the game,
20:09 and you like good things to happen to good people,
20:13 and he's definitely getting the short end of the stick
20:18 with his stick so far in Portland,
20:21 and hopefully he can withstand the storm there
20:24 and remain coach for a long time, but I'm happy for him.
20:28 You had to bring that Portland thing into it, did you, Gary?
20:31 Well, you know--
20:32 We was having such a love fest, and you had to bring that into it.
20:35 Yeah.
20:37 Damn.
20:38 Well, looking at the current Celtics team and their roster,
20:42 as you both know, and of course the fans would know,
20:44 they secured the top overall seed
20:47 after their win against the Oklahoma City Thunder
20:50 on Wednesday evening.
20:52 Chris Saperzing is 27-12.
20:55 Tatum 24-7.
20:57 Brown 23-7.
20:59 Chet Holgrim 11-7 rebounds,
21:02 but overall, we don't really need to recap that game.
21:05 What would you two say is the motivation now for the Celtics
21:09 now that they've secured the next step to obviously getting banner 18?
21:14 Stay healthy.
21:16 Stay healthy.
21:17 Keep your--
21:18 And start looking a little bit more closely at your eight-man rotation
21:22 and just really look at them in bursts
21:24 because you don't want to extend them too many minutes.
21:28 In fact, you're going to probably sit some guys,
21:30 now that you've got the number one overall seed locked up,
21:33 which just makes sense, but to me, everything comes back to hell.
21:37 Porzingis on Wednesday night looked as good as we've seen him in a while.
21:42 Chet Holgrim, I mean, Chet is a hell of a player,
21:46 but he had nothing for Porzingis.
21:48 Porzingis was dunking on him, hitting with the up and under actions,
21:53 blocking shots.
21:54 I mean, it was one of the best games we've seen from Porzingis
21:57 really this season.
21:58 I mean, and this is a guy that's had a bunch of really good games.
22:01 Right off the jump, he dropped 30 and some change on the Knicks in an opener.
22:05 So it's not like we know--it's not like what he's doing is surprising,
22:09 but it's a little bit surprising, not so much what he's doing,
22:13 but when he's doing it.
22:14 Like this is the time when a guy like him,
22:16 you're concerned that he's maybe not as physically up to par
22:21 that you'd want him to be because he's had a long season.
22:23 And even though they've done a great job with the load management,
22:26 he's still playing more games--or his position to play more games
22:29 than we've seen him play in a while.
22:30 So they're going to have to be extra careful with him.
22:33 But to me, making sure that your team is in good health
22:36 and really getting a look at that eight-man rotation
22:39 between now and the end of the season, that's really what you're looking for
22:42 if you're the Celtics.
22:43 And just get--like I said, just get to standing over and get to the playoffs.
22:49 Yeah.
22:50 I mean, I can't--I couldn't agree more with Sherrod.
22:55 Just stay healthy, stay up out the way of any injuries.
22:59 Jaylon is talking about his hand is--you know, just give the hand some rest.
23:05 The one thing is, one, you want to be sharp for the playoffs,
23:10 so you don't want to rest the guys all the last six games.
23:14 Secondly, you are playing some teams with something to play for.
23:18 You're playing the Knicks, the Kings coming up on Friday, the Bucs.
23:23 Those teams are fighting for a playoff seating.
23:26 Okay, the last few games, I think Charlotte, Washington,
23:29 yeah, you can chill.
23:32 You can put--you can play James Springer and our buddies, you know,
23:40 O'Shea Brissett, Sherrod's good friend, and you can play those guys.
23:45 Give those guys some extensive minutes.
23:47 Give those guys some looks.
23:49 But I don't know.
23:50 I think Joe might be competitive in terms--not wanting to win the game,
23:54 but fielding a competitive team out there when you're playing with teams
23:59 who are playing something.
24:00 Because I just think the integrity of the game, you know, you do--
24:04 I said you've got three games left against SAC, Milwaukee, and the Knicks.
24:09 I think all three games will mean something for those teams.
24:12 The three games, Portland, Charlotte, Washington, yeah,
24:15 like that Sunday afternoon season finale against the Wizards,
24:20 I mean, you should see the G League team out there.
24:22 There used to be a lot of JD Davidson.
24:26 The same with Charlotte when our friend Grant Williams comes back.
24:29 Don't forget--oh, yeah, yeah, you're right.
24:32 So, you know, we'll see what happens against SAC.
24:37 I don't--you know, I think there's kind of maybe a coach's agreement to where--
24:41 not saying Joe is all in line with other coaches,
24:45 but I think he knows Sacramento's playing for something,
24:48 so I don't think he's going to put the G League team out there.
24:51 Against Portland, yeah, you might see a lot of guys get the night off.
24:56 At Milwaukee, we don't know how that's going to go.
24:59 If you're the Celtics, why would you show them anything?
25:02 If you're the Bucs, you're probably going to play your full squad
25:05 because the Bucs are going--you know, the Bucs are kind of in trouble at this point,
25:09 and that number two seed is no guarantee for them.
25:13 So I think they'll play here and there.
25:16 They're the main guys, but like Sherrod said, just keep guys healthy.
25:20 You don't want them to get rusty.
25:21 You don't want them sitting out too long,
25:24 but out of the six games, play your guys three and alls.
25:29 The rest--the other three, give them a break
25:32 because I'm looking at the standings now.
25:34 The Bucs are only a game and a half up for the--on Cleveland for the number two seed
25:41 and two games ahead of Orlando, who's kind of quietly charging here.
25:46 Orlando's been real quiet this season, but yet they're 45-31,
25:51 and they're the fourth seed.
25:54 So they could creep up to three.
25:56 They're a half game behind Cleveland.
25:58 That affects the Celtics because if Cleveland falls to four,
26:01 they play the Knicks in the first round potentially.
26:03 That likely would be the Celtics' next opponent
26:06 if they win their first round series.
26:08 So a lot of little things.
26:09 The Knicks are trying to go for the fourth seed,
26:12 so they'll have some meaning.
26:14 And going up to Sacramento, Sacramento is now eighth.
26:19 They're in the play-in.
26:20 They don't want to be in the play-in, so they're really trying to win Friday,
26:24 right, to get out of that play-in scenario.
26:26 So, you know, the Celtics--some of these teams are going to be coming to Celtics.
26:31 Play your guys.
26:32 Give them minutes.
26:34 Now, do you play Jason and Jaylon 40?
26:36 No, you play them maybe 28.
26:38 And just say, you know, I think what Mazulan says to the coaches
26:43 is, "Hey, I'm going to play my guys 28 minutes.
26:46 See what happens there.
26:48 I'm not playing them 43 for your ass.
26:50 You should have thought of that when you lost them games earlier.
26:53 I'm going to help you some, but it's all about my guys," which is right.
26:58 But I do think he'll feel a competitive team out there for those three games.
27:04 So I want to look ahead just overall, big picture.
27:09 You mentioned the Bucs, which we'll close out with actually.
27:13 But the State of the Eastern Conference overall and Beat is back.
27:17 First of all, we'll start with him.
27:18 What do you think that means for the playoff race?
27:21 And then just really who do you see as a threat right now,
27:25 if anyone at all in the East?
27:27 Somebody is going to draw an unlucky hand in that first round
27:32 because I got a feeling Philly is going to play their way into that sixth seed.
27:36 I think they're going to get up to the point where they're not going to be in
27:39 the playing format, and that number three team in the East is probably going to
27:43 get bounced because Joel, them bringing him back now,
27:48 by the time the playoffs roll around, he's going to be good.
27:51 He's going to be in decent enough shape where he's going to be--he's not going
27:55 to be in tip-top game shape because I don't know if he's ever going to be that
27:58 dude, but he's going to be--you're going to get the full throttle if Joel
28:02 and Beat can play off time in that first round.
28:04 And if you're someone like, I don't know, Milwaukee, who has been just--Doc--
28:12 and we'll talk a little bit more about Doc--
28:14 because Doc, that's the one X that I wanted to talk about.
28:18 We'll just check on the X right now.
28:20 That's what we're going to say.
28:21 Doc Rivers, 15 at .500 since taking on the Bucs.
28:25 Defense moderately better, but the offense not so much.
28:29 So what are your expectations for the Bucs?
28:31 Yeah, I mean, their offense has plummeted under Doc.
28:35 They were, like, number three in the NBA before he took over.
28:38 Right now, they're, like, 15, 16, 17.
28:41 They're, like, middle of the pack.
28:42 And their defense was basically kind of bottom 10,
28:48 and now they're, like, bottom 15.
28:50 So he hasn't had the difference impact that they were looking for.
28:55 And that's a team that I could absolutely see slipping down to that three spot,
28:59 having to deal with Joel.
29:01 And you know when it's game time and he'll let you know, bye-bye?
29:06 He might be looking in the mirror on that one.
29:09 He might be looking in the mirror on that one because I'm telling you,
29:11 if they play Philly in the first round, I think Philly will win that.
29:15 I really do.
29:17 And y'all know I have little confidence in Philly.
29:19 I think they will win that one.
29:22 For folks, a big, big, big, big, big game tonight or Thursday.
29:29 Thursday night, yeah.
29:30 Philly at Miami.
29:32 Yeah, that's a good idea.
29:33 That's for Philly's trying to get out to play in, and so is Miami.
29:38 So that could be a -- you know, and I think in Beats playing.
29:41 So that will be a very interesting, very interesting game.
29:46 And then if you look at the Philly's remaining schedule, not real tough.
29:51 At Memphis, tricky because obviously the Grizzlies will beat you, you know,
29:57 with their young guys.
29:59 You know, I know Taylor Jenkins is not getting -- I just think he's a
30:04 potential coach of the year candidate, you know,
30:11 for what he's done with that team.
30:13 And maybe third place with them.
30:14 I'm not saying he should be coach of the year, but third place votes because
30:20 they play hard.
30:21 They play hard.
30:23 And then San Antonio is left on the schedule for Philly,
30:27 and I think they have a Detroit.
30:29 So then, you know, so their schedule is not too hard.
30:34 They can put a couple of wins together.
30:36 I think the only playoff team left after Miami is Brooklyn.
30:40 So if you look, like I think Sherrod again, I hate to say it,
30:45 he might be right again.
30:47 He -- the 76ers have a shot to succeed.
30:52 It's going to be interesting.
30:54 So Celtic fans, I know the last few games might not be as interesting,
31:00 but watch the other teams, see how this all shakes out.
31:03 All we know is there's going to be Chicago and Atlanta in a play-in game.
31:07 We don't know where that game is going to be yet because they're fighting for
31:10 9-10.
31:11 But Chicago is going to play Atlanta in one of the play-in games.
31:14 It could be Indiana.
31:16 And if you're the Celtics, and we can talk about this, Kwon,
31:19 like who would you want to face?
31:21 Do you want to face Indiana, the team that's beaten the Celtics twice this
31:24 year?
31:25 Who is the best matchup?
31:26 I mean, obviously --
31:27 You want to face them beating the Sixers, you know?
31:30 Do you want to face Miami and just get it out of the way, you know?
31:34 Orlando, New York.
31:36 Yeah.
31:37 To me, those are the three teams.
31:40 None of them are this pleasant scenario.
31:43 Let's be honest.
31:44 Indiana, they're not playing as well, but they're still a dangerous team.
31:48 They've beaten the Celtics twice already.
31:50 Different personnel.
31:51 They don't have Buddy Hill anymore.
31:53 But Philadelphia wouldn't beat.
31:55 Or Miami, just because it's Miami.
31:57 And you know Spolsher is going to come up with some -- cook up some plan to
32:02 throw some wrinkles at the Celtics to try to muck up the series.
32:06 So I think probably the best scenario for them is Indiana because I don't
32:12 think Indiana can beat them four times at all.
32:15 But it's going to get interesting.
32:18 And to be honest, folks, it's not going to be an easy first-round series unless
32:23 somehow Atlanta or Chicago bites them, sneaks up to eight.
32:28 And that could happen.
32:29 Even Atlanta.
32:30 I mean, look at the last two.
32:32 Yeah, exactly.
32:33 We don't know about Atlanta.
32:34 That was weird.
32:35 Atlanta got something for them.
32:37 Right.
32:38 But, yeah, I think for Celtic fans, keep watching the games.
32:43 It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.
32:45 We've got ten days left in the season, so it's going to play out soon.
32:49 But Philly and Miami tonight, huge game with all the seeding implications.
32:55 And Indiana's in there.
32:57 And I think those are the three options unless Chicago and Atlanta make kind of
33:03 an improbable run and get that A seed.
33:06 Well, there you have it.
33:09 I can't believe it, but the season really is winding down.
33:12 Of course, it's just the regular season.
33:14 We have the playoffs next.
33:15 But we appreciate all of y'all for listening, sticking with the Big 3 NBA
33:19 podcast, for all your Celtics and more conversation.
33:24 For Asia Rod, Blakely, and Gary Washburn, I'm Quanie Lunas,
33:27 and we will be back next week.
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