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Welcome back to the Big 3 NBA Podcast! In today's episode, A. Sherrod Blakely is joined by Noa Dalzell to discuss the recent news from the Celtics, including an evaluation of Kristaps Porzingis' play and Payton Pritchard saving their NBA Cup chances with a 19-point 4th quarter. Could Pritchard eventually earn an All-Star selection with the Celtics?   CLNS Media is Powered by:  💰 Prize Picks - https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/CLNS Download the app today and use Code CLNS when you sign up & Get $50 instantly when you play $5!  🎫 Gametime - https://gametime.co Take the guesswork out of buying NBA tickets with Gametime. Download the Gametime app, create an account, and use code CLNS for $20 off your first purchase. Download Gametime today. Terms apply. What time is it? Gametime!  💳Start earning points on rent you’re already paying by going to joinbilt.com/GARDEN. Make sure to use our URL so they know we sent you: joinbilt.com/GARDEN, to start earning points on your rent payments today!  Elevate your style game on and off the course with the PXG Spring Summer 2024 collection. Head over to https://PXG.com/GARDENREPORT and save 10% on all apparel.  Nutrafol! Take the first step to visibly thicker, healthier hair. For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our listeners ten dollars off any purchase and free shipping when you go to https://Nutrafol.com and enter the promo code GARDENGIFT!   #celtics #NBA #BostonCeltics The CLNS Media Network is the leading provider for video/audio content. CLNS is a fully credentialed member of the media with access to all NFL/NBA/NHL/MLB teams & venues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------  CLNS' rebuilt their YouTube community in less than 12 months, during a pandemic that attacked sports. Wondering how? Find out here (and support our channel) - https://www.tubebuddy.com/clnsmedia  Visit the Official Home of CLNS Sports Coverage -  https://clnsmedia.com  Twitter - https://twitter.com/CLNSMedia Celtics - https://twitter.com/celticsclns Patriots - https://twitter.com/patriotsclns Bruins - https://twitter.com/bruinsclns Red Sox - https://twitter.com/redsoxclns Non-Sports - https://twitter.com/northstation Facebook - http://facebook.com/clnsmedia INSTA - http://Instagram.com/clnsmedia INSTA Celtics - http://Instagram.com/celticsclns INSTA History - http://Instagram.com/nbahistoryclns

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00:00Welcome to another edition of the Big 3 NBA Podcast.

00:29I'm your host, AJ Straub-Blakely, and I'm joined today by the one and the only Noah

00:36Dalzell.

00:37Noah, how's it going?

00:39It's going good.

00:40Thanks for having me.

00:41Glad to be here.

00:42Glad, glad to be here.

00:43And we'll talk a little bit about your podcast a little bit later on.

00:45But first we're going to talk about this podcast, NBA Big 3 Podcast, and we're just going to

00:50kind of just kind of cannonball into the conversation about this whole Emirates NBA Cup, which is

00:57starting to get a little bit interesting as we kind of hit the homestretch.

01:00The Celtics with the win at Chicago, which brings their record to 3-1.

01:05So they're feeling pretty good about themselves.

01:06But before you punch your ticket to Vegas just yet, it's not quite a done deal for the

01:14Celtics to be there.

01:15Noah, give us a little bit of insight into, you know, what's happening with the NBA Cup

01:21and just where the Celtics stand as far as getting to Vegas at this point.

01:26Yeah, so let me pull up, because Sean Grandy has the scenario.

01:31It's a little bit confusing.

01:32So the Magic need to beat the Knicks, and then there's another game that there's a very

01:38specific score outcome that needs to happen.

01:40Hold up.

01:41Let me pull it up here.

01:42Yeah.

01:43I want to say it's Milwaukee-Detroit.

01:44I think that's the other game.

01:46That's...

01:47Milwaukee-Detroit.

01:49Milwaukee-Detroit, but there's two different things that can happen for that game.

01:52I think, you know, he had a tweet up.

01:57Oh, here it is.

01:58Okay.

01:59Milwaukee needs to beat Detroit by six or Detroit needs to beat Milwaukee by seven.

02:04Why that makes sense, I actually have no idea, but that's the outcome.

02:08So if we, you know, as long as Orlando beats New York, then the exact score of that game

02:13is going to determine whether or not the Celtics get the wild card.

02:17And so I like the Cup, and I'm sure we'll talk more about it, but that being the outcome

02:22is just non-intuitive.

02:23Like, I can't even keep track of it, and I saw this yesterday.

02:25So there needs to be something a little more simple here, but that's what needs to happen.

02:29So there's like a 13-point margin, I guess, that can happen for the Celtics to advance,

02:34provided that Orlando beats New York, too.

02:37The one thing I do like about the Cup that really, I did not anticipate it would be such

02:44a big factor is that it allows teams that, if we're being honest and candid, aren't very

02:48good as far as winning a championship, all of a sudden they actually have something to

02:52play for during the season that they can actually build upon.

02:55I mean, look, right now the Atlanta Hawks are the best team in their group, which includes

03:02the Celtics.

03:03And we all know damn well that if we're talking playoffs, if you've got a Celtics-Atlanta

03:07Hawks series, very few people outside of Atlanta are going to take the Hawks in that

03:14series.

03:15And yet the Hawks are the team that, seriously, they punched their ticket to Vegas.

03:19How do you think the competition has been so far in these Cup games?

03:23It seems, I mean, again, from where I stand, it seems like it's been a little bit more

03:26competitive than some of the regular season games, which I think is what they were aiming

03:32for with this.

03:33Yeah.

03:34I had the same feeling last year.

03:36I feel like as the tournament continues, there's a higher level of intensity.

03:41Like the Celtics lost their first Cup game to Atlanta without Trae Young, worst loss

03:45of the season, probably one of being the worst loss of the season.

03:48And there was no Cup energy for the Celtics leading into that game.

03:51That being said, I do think we've seen it advance throughout this Cup run, I guess.

03:58And the same thing was the case last year.

03:59I felt like they started off really viewing it as a regular game.

04:02And then once you're in it and you've been competing in it, it's like anything.

04:07And now that you're playing this game, even if it wasn't like, you know, if you're a competitive

04:09person, you want to win Monopoly, right?

04:11So I think that they have a little bit of that.

04:13But I agree with you.

04:15I like the fact that teams like Atlanta last year, it was Indiana.

04:17And I thought that kind of elevated Indiana to a lot of people maybe weren't familiar

04:21with Tyrese Halliburton and their team.

04:24So for it to be an opportunity for not contenders, but kind of middle of the pack teams that

04:29can string together some wins, but wouldn't win a seven game series against any contender.

04:33Like it is fun in that sense.

04:34I just think it should be a little bit more straightforward just so that it doesn't come

04:38down to Milwaukee beating Detroit by six or Detroit beating Milwaukee by seven.

04:41But other than that, I do like the fact that there's a little something extra and that

04:46the games also count towards a regular season win.

04:48So it's not like anybody's going to not take it seriously.

04:50Like it's at the end of the day, you want to win a game.

04:52So and, you know, I think that at the end of the day, because you're flipping through

04:57the channel like yesterday, like there's a little bit of extra something for some of

04:59these teams, the ones that are still in the mix.

05:01Yeah, I agree that they definitely need, I think, you know, once we get past this stretch

05:07of the cup to really look at ways to tweak it.

05:10One of the things I would love for them to do, and I think it may avoid that whole basically

05:18looking to blow out a team when you know you weren't trying to expand that point differential.

05:22Like the Celtics last year against Chicago and this year again against Chicago were in

05:26a situation where they were basically trying to beat this team worse than they probably

05:31would normally want to beat them because they wanted to expand that point differential.

05:35I would love to see them shift to where you get some type of there's some type of advantage

05:42that you're given or points given or something to the effect if you're winning quarters.

05:48Interesting, because to me, it takes a little bit away from that need to blow a team out.

05:54For example, let's say you get one point for every quarter you win and you're up by like

05:5925 points in the fourth quarter and you've already won the first three quarters.

06:05So you get three points for that.

06:06You're going to win the game.

06:08Are you are you more inclined to keep trying to build the score to expand that point

06:13differential if it's no longer a factor?

06:16I just think that the point differential for me, it creates an environment that seems to

06:22be so anti what the NBA is supposed to be about, like you're supposed to be about gamesmanship

06:26and fair play and not beating your opponent to a pulp when you don't have to, when in

06:31fact you actually have to do that in order to secure yourself the best position through

06:36the cup is one of the things that it feels a little icky when I'm watching like Jalen

06:41Brown and Jason Tatum out there on the floor when they're up by 19 points with like two

06:46minutes to play when even Joe Mizzoula would normally have his reserves at that point.

06:53Yeah, I don't honestly, I feel like there haven't been as many of those scenarios this

06:56year for the Celtics because they haven't blown out the cup teams, but like watching Tatum

07:01call a timeout with 1.4 seconds to go yesterday and Mizzoula draw up an after timeout play

07:06for Sam Hauser in front of a completely empty Chicago arena because none of the Chicago

07:10fans care about Boston's point differential.

07:13Like it is a little counterintuitive.

07:15I personally hate watching the clock at dribble that every single game, especially when there's

07:18like records on the line where someone is about to have a triple double or there's a

07:23team that is about to break the three point record and then now we're watching 30 seconds

07:25just go down the drain.

07:26But, you know, from I understand like there's, you know, norms and traditions there and it

07:31looks like the players have been a little bit uncomfortable at times, especially last

07:34year. I felt like when they were fouling Andre Drummond versus Chicago, that was really guys

07:39were not happy about that.

07:41But it's more just it's just I don't think it really like it's not intuitive when I'm

07:45watching this game. I again, like I said, I don't understand why Milwaukee needs to win

07:49by a certain amount. It's not intuitive for the average person to understand these

07:53scenarios. And NBA PR has been putting out tweets every day where they break down like,

07:57OK, these things happen for this team to clinch.

07:59And I genuinely I'm reading it five times over and I'm like, I don't really get why this

08:03is the way that it is. So I think maybe the quarter thing or something else, it's just

08:07very straightforward. You won X many quarters and X many games and that's it.

08:11Just something very basic will just be more intuitive for the average person, because I

08:16do worry that this is my full time job and I can't figure this out.

08:19Like, how is the average person supposed to figure this out?

08:21And I try to explain it to my family and friends and they don't get it.

08:23So I think there needs to be a way to just distill it down besides for the gamesmanship

08:27things and whether whether or not players like it.

08:29It's just confusing.

08:30No, your family and your friends are all we're all in the same boat.

08:34This doesn't make a lot of sense to most of us.

08:36And they really do need to have a better means of just streamlining this and making it

08:41just easier to digest.

08:43I mean, you're trying to generate interest in this thing, which is great.

08:47But we kind of like to know what exactly are we supposed to make out of this?

08:51I mean, the Celtics win the three and one.

08:54They're tied with Atlanta.

08:55OK, great.

08:58But now they've got this weird thing where they've got to wait for these other teams to

09:02play. And if this team wins by this amount and that team was by that amount, then they

09:05get in. And if they don't, then they it.

09:09It seems a lot of confusion unnecessarily.

09:13But one thing that is very clear from that Chicago game in the winning moments of that

09:18game was our good friend Derek White was not on the floor.

09:24For those who simply relied on a box score, you saw he only played twenty five minutes.

09:28Oh, well, they just gave him the day off at a foot injury.

09:32That seemed to take him out for a little bit.

09:34I haven't seen the updates on that.

09:35But Derek White has been just a freaking Ironman for this team.

09:42What's your level of concern, even if he's able to come back?

09:44But what's your level of concern about Derek White from a health standpoint?

09:49I mean, I wasn't at the game, but I did see the report of Joe Mazula saying that Derek

09:52told him he was fine. They high fived.

09:54He said he's not worried about it.

09:55I don't really I've learned this is my second year covering the team.

09:58I learned to not take take much to heart when a coach or a player says that he's

10:03they're fine, because last year in the finals, Joe Mazula said that his level of

10:07concern for Kristaps Porzingis' leg injury was zero.

10:10And then obviously he came back three days ago.

10:13So obviously that was a little bit more concerning.

10:15But, you know, the fact that there wasn't a play that we saw, but there wasn't like

10:20a moment where we saw something, you know, like a non-contact injury or contact

10:24injury, he might have just aggravated something.

10:26So I wouldn't be worried if Derek White missed a month.

10:28I think this team is deep enough to be able to afford anybody missing a month.

10:32Obviously, you just hope because of the fact that it was, you know, it was a sore

10:35foot. Usually the in-game, you know, injury tags, they're like sore means that they

10:39don't actually know what it is and they're going to probably do imaging is my

10:41impression of it. So I think just the hope that there's not actually something serious

10:45there, which I don't expect there to be, because like I said, there wasn't like a

10:48moment where we saw anything happen.

10:51If there was, nobody's found it on Twitter yet.

10:52So normally, normally that someone will find the play.

10:56But yeah, I'm not too, I'm not too concerned.

10:59Yeah. And really of all the guys in a starting lineup, I'm least concerned about

11:04Derek White when he has any type of anything that appears on the, you know, the

11:09injury report because he's just such a freaking just iron man.

11:13I mean, this is a guy that has played with with missing teeth.

11:16This is a guy that has has had his head busted open and just went back to the

11:21locker room, got a few stitches and he's back out there ready to, you know, lock

11:24heads with whoever he has to guard and defend and all that.

11:27So he's one of those guys that you just don't worry about him and his injuries or

11:33potential injuries per se.

11:35But the question I have for you, though, is when you look at, you know, his foot

11:40thing, Jalen has had a hamstring, Al Horford, Porzingis and Drew Holland to some

11:47extent are all on that low management type of program.

11:50What's your overall concern about health for this team in a very broad, general

11:56sense? Because it seems like they've got a number of guys that have kind of these

11:59either nitpicky type injuries or they're being their health is being load managed

12:05this year.

12:06Yeah, I don't have a lot of concern.

12:07I mean, there's always the regular amount, regardless of any existing, you know,

12:11circumstances that literally anything can happen at any moment and completely derail

12:16an entire player or team season.

12:18So that that is always in the backdrop, but they've had a really healthy knock on

12:23wood, you know, group.

12:25And just looking around the league, it feels like half the stars are out on any

12:29given night. And the Celtics really haven't had to deal with anything substantial.

12:32I mean, even Porzingis, it ended up being 17 games.

12:35It really wasn't this massive thing.

12:36But, you know, I thought maybe it would even keep them out close to half the

12:39season. So I'm not concerned about any of the lingering things.

12:43I think Jalen's looked better.

12:45Hauser's back thing, I don't think it's something to be super concerned about

12:47because I'm going to keep playing if it was something more concerning.

12:51But yeah, I think you just, you know, a moment like the Derek White play where you

12:54all of a sudden, you know, he's a guy that we kind of almost take his health for

12:56granted. All of a sudden he has maybe something that can keep him out.

13:00Maybe it's nothing, but it reminds you how much your entire season and, you know,

13:04the Championship hopes and everything really rests on nothing going terribly wrong

13:09and how many times things have gone wrong.

13:11And that's been the reason, you know, we talk about the 0-9 Celtics.

13:14I think I've been thinking about them a lot because they came out so good out of

13:17the gates. They look like they were primed to be, you know, back-to-back champions.

13:21And I think I feel similarly about this team, but all it takes is one injury to one

13:25of your most important players and, you know, you're not there anymore.

13:28So I think just the healthy, normal level more so than anything that I've seen so

13:31far from this group, which is really durable.

13:34It's a very durable group of players.

13:36Yeah. Yeah. Especially when you look at just, again, they're and they've already

13:39shown the ability to win with a core piece missing at an integral part of the season.

13:44I mean, Porzingis, I think most people agreed when they were able to acquire him felt

13:49he would be that X-Factor that could get them over the top and win a championship.

13:53And then they get to the finals and their X-Factor is MIA for the most part because

13:58of injuries. And yet they were still able to overcome that.

14:01The one thing about this Celtics team that, again, I think is really people are kind

14:07of glossing over a little bit at this point because of how incredibly red hot the

14:12Cavaliers came out. But the Celtics have lost three games by a total of 10 points.

14:18That means basically there may be two or three possessions really this season from

14:23being undefeated. And they have been able to do it, I think, and check me on this if

14:31you agree or disagree with this, but it feels as though.

14:35I wouldn't say that they are not taking their opponents seriously, but it seems like

14:40there's a different kind of pace to them this year. They're playing well enough to

14:44beat you and leave no doubts that they're the better team, but they're not trying to

14:48beat you into the ground like it felt like they were doing last year. Last year, they

14:51seemed like every game like we need to beat you by 30 points. And if we're up by 30, hell,

14:57let's just push it to the 40 while we're at it.

14:59This year, it seems like, yeah, we go up by 30 on you. But if we can get Sam Hauser and

15:05Peyton Pritchard and some of those guys off the bench a few more minutes and only beat

15:09you by 15, we're kind of good with that. What's your take on just how they seemingly

15:14have approached games this year? It seems like, again, from where I look, it looks like

15:20their approach is not quite we're going to beat the crap out of you every single game.

15:24We're just going to beat you and keep moving.

15:26Yeah, so it's funny. I think a lot of people feel that way, and that's kind of how the

15:29eye test makes you feel. But if you actually look at the numbers, their point differential

15:33is the same that it was last year. So there really hasn't actually been a drop off. I

15:38think the strength of schedule is maybe part of it. Nobody's getting hyped up because the

15:43Celtics beat the Rafters by eight or the Wizards or the Bulls. I feel like there have been very

15:49few marquee wins this season, and that's not their fault. It's who they face. And part of

15:54it is the fact that there are very few really good teams in the East right now. And so that's

15:59just going to be where the schedule takes them. But I think it's more of a result of

16:02the fact that you're not playing very formidable opponents. So there's this expectation, I

16:07think, among NBA fans that you should be blowing out the Bulls by 30. You should be blowing out

16:12the Hawks and all these teams. And that's just not really how it works. The coaches and players

16:17tell us all the time that it's really hard to win in the NBA. It's hard to beat any team.

16:20There's talent on any roster. There are stars. So that's what I think we're seeing. We're seeing

16:27them play a lot of really bad teams in a row and win pretty similarly to how they were winning

16:31last year. And the real test is going to be when they actually go out West and play a tougher

16:36stretch of games and even in the East, but just some more championship contenders. I don't think

16:40people mind it when they beat the Cavs by five because the Cavs were undefeated. It's just

16:44people are not accustomed to these blowouts. But I honestly don't mind it. I think

16:50winning in different ways is always good. And just a year ago, the concern, or even less than that,

16:55six months ago, the concern was that they couldn't win close games. That was all anybody was thinking

16:59about. It was always like they can blow teams out or they lose. And so they've come a long way

17:04now that we're consistently seeing them, even in dogfights, pull away at the end where it's not even

17:09a two-point win. It ends up being like a 10-point win because they're able to just really close games

17:13out. And that's why the point differential maybe is a little bit misleading or doesn't align with

17:16how people feel because a lot of times it's games that are very close. And then in the last five

17:20minutes, they just turn it up and they make big plays and then they win by 12. And so it

17:25pads the point differential, even though we all know from watching that it was a back and forth

17:28game. So to me, it's a reflection of how they've gotten really good down the stretch,

17:33but also of just the fact that the schedule has not been very inspiring to folks, just people

17:37tuning in. Yeah. Yeah. This schedule has definitely left a lot to be desired and it's not their fault.

17:43They just play, as you pointed out, who is on the schedule. No doubt about that. Before we go any

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18:53running their game all season for the Celtics? Peyton freaking Pritchard. My goodness. For those

19:01who did not watch the game, who weren't sure how well Peyton played, all you had to do was simply

19:05look at the damn box score and that kind of said it all. 29 points against the Bulls, having just a

19:12phenomenal season. I have a very, without tooting my horn too much, I'm going to toot me and Bobby's

19:19horn because we were thought to be crazy when we had to make our preseason predictions, our hot

19:25takes, if you will. And we both had Peyton Pritchard, sixth man of the year, well before Peyton had played

19:30a single game in the 2024-25 season. So shout out to Peyton Pritchard for making me and Bobby Manning

19:36look incredibly smart and visionary. But you've seen Peyton play a number, quite a bit this year.

19:45Why has he been so impactful this year as opposed to, you know, last year or even the year before

19:50that? I think he's just been empowered. Like, I don't, I think he's always been a great shooter.

19:55I mean, if you watched him in college, he was a great shooter. He was a great scorer. He's great

19:59with the ball in his hands. The thing that Joe will probably point to when he said this before is

20:03that he's gotten a lot better off the ball and obviously playing on a team with all-stars and,

20:08you know, primary scoring options, he's going to be off the ball quite a bit. And so that's where

20:12he's made it a point to become more effective. He said last year going into training camp that

20:17he spent all summer shooting off picks and kind of following, you know, looking at some of the

20:21best off-ball scorers in the league to try to get better in that regard. But his bread and butter is

20:26ball in his hands. And we saw that last night. And, you know, it's just a matter of opportunity.

20:31He played the entire fourth quarter yesterday. He had 19 points in the first five or six minutes.

20:36And, you know, maybe he wouldn't have even been out there if Derek White hadn't been heard. He

20:40definitely wouldn't have played that entire period. But this is a guy who I've said this,

20:45you know, I really feel so confident about his healing. I think he's going to be an all-star

20:49one day. I think that's what he's capable of. But when everybody in your team believes in you,

20:54they were finding him. Jalen Brown was looking for him. Jason Tatum was looking for him.

20:57Your coach believes in you. And then the numbers back you up. I mean, he's been one of the most

21:01efficient scorers in the league this season. So it's just all those pieces have come together.

21:06And a guy that works incredibly hard, everything we know about him is that he's one of the hardest

21:09workers out there. And now he has the, you know, I don't know that he didn't lack. I don't know

21:13that he lacked the confidence. He said postgame yesterday. You know, I don't feel any more

21:17confident now than I did a year ago when I was playing awful. Like I feel I've always had this

21:21confidence. But now I think everybody recognizes how impactful that he can be. And so he's not like

21:27a last, you know, he's not like a Hail Mary. He's somebody that they actually want to play through.

21:31And it's panned out effectively so far. Yeah. I think that the big thing with him,

21:37his confidence, I think, has always been like high. This is the same guy who went up to the

21:45Celtics and basically said, trade me. Yes, I know Marcus Smart is here. Yes, I know Malcolm Brogdon

21:50is here. Yes, I know you've got all these guys. But I should be playing. And it takes a different

21:55kind of cat to believe that I should be playing over an All-NBA defender, a sixth man of the year.

22:02And I have some really good games at Oregon, to my credit, at this point. And I've shown the

22:07ability to knock down shots. So his confidence level, I think, I think what we're seeing more

22:13than anything else is opportunity and confidence level are finally marrying themselves to one

22:19another. And this is what we get. We're getting a guy who has stood out on a team full of standouts.

22:24And I think that to me, that's the one thing about Peyton Pritchard that I have been

22:28really, really pleased with. The fact that he's been able to carve out his own identity

22:33on a team full of very strong, dominant personalities. I mean, Tatum is going to be

22:38in the MVP conversation forever and a day. Jalen Brown is going to be in the All-NBA conversation

22:44for as long as he's around. Porzingis, another potential offside. Drew Holliday,

22:49Derek White, two of the best perimeter defenders. All those guys have their own label, if you will,

22:55that teams recognize them by. And if you're Peyton Pritchard, it's like,

22:58what can I do to get in to this conversation? And he's done exactly what you're supposed to

23:03do. You're not trying to be like any of those guys. You're trying to be who you are

23:07and show that who you are has value. And, you know, it seemed kind of gimmicky there for a

23:12while when he would come in at the end of a quarter and knock down a long three. That was

23:15kind of his thing. But he's showing he's more than just an end of the quarter shot maker.

23:21And the one thing, because you have been, I think, the only person that I can think of

23:27who has thought of him as a potential future All-Star. And my question to you,

23:32this is one of the reasons why I wanted you on this show to talk about Peyton.

23:35Is he going to be an All-Star as a Celtic or will it happen elsewhere? Because I tell you what,

23:42I don't necessarily disagree with the potential. I just, I wonder if it will happen here or

23:49elsewhere. So I will say, I think entering this season, I thought that it was going to have to

23:56have to happen elsewhere. And last night on the on the Garden Report, I locked it in that I think

24:02it can actually happen in Boston. Ah, yes. And I think part of it is just looking at his production.

24:08I didn't have him winning six men of the year this year. And again, that's not a reflection

24:12of what I think he's capable of, because I think he's really capable of anything. But I just didn't

24:17think that there was going to be that opportunity for him, those touches. And he's kind of like

24:21demanded those opportunities, even when they're not there, he finds them. The end of shot clock

24:27and end of quarter heaves, I think are what he became known for. But what those shots really are,

24:31are, you know, free points, like possessions that they wouldn't have even gotten a shot up.

24:36And now he's scoring. And that's kind of the encapsulate how he's been able to find opportunities

24:40where there aren't any. He's averaging 15.6 points per game right now on 48.5% shooting.

24:46And that's being the third guard, you know, Drew Holliday is a little bit older, like he's on a

24:52four year deal, you know, Peyton Pritchard is. He might be a starter in Boston. And I think a starter

24:57Peyton Pritchard as a starter can very well be an all star, because he's gonna,

25:03you know, he's only going to get better. He really is. This is his first year with like

25:07really serious minutes. Last year was his first year with consistent rotation minutes. And so

25:11I think we're just beginning to see what he's, you know, what he can accomplish. And defensively,

25:17he's a lot less of liability than he used to be. He's a great rebounder, he had four offensive

25:20rebounds last night, but he just makes other plays too. So he's not going to be one of those guys

25:24that just comes in to score. I think about this might be a crazy thing to say. And I didn't have

25:29the guts to say it last night. But I think about Isaiah Thomas, like, why can't he do that?

25:35He's an all he's a he's maybe a more well rounded player, as far as like defensively and other

25:41things. So why can't he do what Isaiah Thomas that I'm not saying that he's going to because

25:45Isaiah Thomas put together my one of my favorite individual all time seasons of any NBA player ever.

25:50And we all know how incredible that was. But yeah, there's a blueprint for someone,

25:55someone to do something like that. And and along those same lines, he's a better defender than

26:01Isaiah Thomas. Yes. Yeah. The one thing I will say that probably hurts Peyton's chances is the

26:11fact that Isaiah benefited from an injured Marcus Smart. Because remember, when when Isaiah Thomas

26:17first came to the team, he was coming off the bench, Marcus was smart was starting smart got

26:21hurt. He slipped into that starting lineup. And then next thing you know, it's like 25 points

26:25a night 25 points a night. Marcus comes back that starting spot. It's no longer a starting spot.

26:32You're coming off the bench. And that's kind of how the legend grew. Peyton would. I'm just I'm

26:36wondering if that might be the one path that Peyton could take because right now, as long as

26:43Drew holiday is healthy, as long as Derek White's healthy, Peyton is not going to crack that starting

26:48lineup. And it's not because he's not good enough. Far from it. It's just that those guys are so

26:54they're like a well oiled machine. And everyone has their role in that machine. And Peyton's role

27:01is coming off the bench, and he's very good at it. There will be some, there will be some concerns

27:06how he would fit in as a starter. But if you've got a guy that's out with an injury, you don't

27:10really have a choice but to put him in there. I love the fact that that you make that comparison,

27:16because really, we haven't seen anyone on this roster since Isaiah Thomas that you could actually

27:21make a legitimate case for them being the next Isaiah Thomas in that regard.

27:27And I know, I know people are gonna go crazy over that. Take a look. I know that that's,

27:31that sounds far fetched and crazy. But I also think that what Isaiah Thomas accomplished,

27:35if you had called that before he did it, people would have looked at you like, what are you

27:39talking about? I mean, that was the last thing anybody expected when they traded for him was

27:42that he was going to be, you know, in the MVP race, constantly, you know, perennially. So,

27:47yeah, you know, it's, it's very possible that that's not where his career is headed. And that

27:51this is kind of what we're going to see for the remainder of his career. And that would be a very

27:55highly impactful player that could be the key to a championship run. But I don't think that's out of

28:00yeah, I don't think it's far fetched to believe that he's able to scale this up. Because he's

28:04also it's like, he's been shooting really well this year, he's 44% from three, but he's also

28:08a 40% career three point shooter. So it's not a crazy outlier. Like I think this is he's a very

28:12good shooter. He's probably one of the top, top maybe best or top two shooter on the team as far

28:18as just being a pure shooter. So I think if you scale, you know, continue to scale things up,

28:22and also just the fact that there are so many three pointers in today's game and benefits a

28:25guy like him, he's attempting more threes than I think any bench player in NBA history right now

28:29and making more. So this the evolution of the game is going to benefit him too. But it's probably

28:35going to come down to that there's going to need to be an injury, there's going to need to be a

28:38trade for a bigger opportunity. But those things happen, like inevitably, you know, they're not

28:43going to keep Derek White and Drew Holiday forever. Drew Holiday is 34, almost 35. You know,

28:48maybe Derek White misses some time now, hopefully not. But you know, it's going to be a confluence

28:52of things that are going to have to create that opportunity. But what I'm surprised about is that

28:55none of those things have happened yet. And he's still finding a way to be putting up these kinds

28:59of numbers. Absolutely. And you know, along those same lines, Peyton Pritchard, I think a legitimate

29:06case can be made for him being the best bargain for guys on non-rookie deals in the NBA. I mean,

29:12he's making $6.7 million, getting 15 plus points from a backup coming off your bench on a team that

29:19won a championship and is poised to win another championship with only three losses up to this

29:23point by a total of 10 points. That's a major, major, major steal. And again, just again,

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30:41What time is it? Game time. It's also time for Noah and I to talk about one of our favorite

30:48players from Latvia, Mr. Christas Rzingas, who, again, in the follow-up to the return,

30:57looked good. 21 points, 8 rebounds. What do you like so far in these first couple games

31:01since he's been back from the long off time with just healing from the injury?

31:07Yeah, I like that he's playing fearless. He doesn't look like he's tentative at all out there.

31:11And we knew that that was going to be the case because he's come back from so many injuries.

31:15He's like a pro at coming back from injuries and doing so without missing a beat, and we're

31:20seeing that again. I also like the fact that there's a guy on the roster who has a completely

31:25different shot profile than the rest of the team, and that you can feed it to him, and it looks

31:28aesthetically very different. And I think fans were clamoring for maybe some diversity in shot

31:34profile for aesthetics, if nothing else, because what they were doing was working. And he has not

31:40strayed away from the moves that I think we all fell in love with last year when he got

31:43traded to Boston. You know, like the swing through move, the post-ups, and he's been

31:47super efficient shooting 56.5% in the field in two games. So really hasn't missed a beat. He's

31:52looked healthy. I think that he has looked a little bit out of shape at points, like he's

31:56kind of gasping for air, which is understandable. You know, he hasn't played an NBA game in a very

32:01long time. But overall, I think this is what, you know, two games in, but this is all you can hope

32:07for, for him to come back this early and to look really this good since returning from that rare,

32:12bizarre leg injury. Yeah, I've been pleasantly surprised at just the efficiency that he's been

32:17able to make shots, because usually when guys come back from a long layoff, there's going to

32:22be that the fatigue factor, as you pointed out, that, you know, just getting your wind back.

32:26Players, they've said this from the beginning of time, that there's being in shape, and then

32:30there's being in basketball shape, and the two are not one and the same. And Porzingis is working

32:35his way back into basketball shape. But typically along that journey, guys struggle, not struggle,

32:41but it takes him a minute or two to kind of get this shot making rhythm back. And he

32:46has not missed a beat. And I think it goes back to something that you pointed out. He's a pro

32:51at bouncing back from injuries. Remember when he had missed time, you know, latter part of last

32:56season, he comes back in the playoffs in his first game. You would think that he was in mid-season

33:00form by the way that he was knocking down shots. And I think, again, there's a reason why, you know,

33:06he has the nickname Unicorn, because he's different. And I think one of those differences

33:11is his ability to just frankly inject himself into whatever the team needs from him at that

33:17particular moment. And he's on a team now where they just don't, they don't need him to go out

33:22there and get you 25 points, 10 rebounds, three block shots a night. They just need him to be

33:27a presence more than anything else. And him being a presence is going to open up a lot of shot

33:32opportunities for him and for others. So I've been pleased at how well he is just kind of

33:38basically, you know, hit the ground running and he's only going to get better. And I think he

33:43has absolutely become the cheat code for the Celtics going forward because they were pretty

33:49damn good without him. And now that he's back in the mix, he becomes another wrinkle for teams to

33:57worry about as far as how can we beat the Celtics? How can we compete with the Celtics? So I've been

34:03very, very pleased with certainly what we've seen out of him. And along those same lines,

34:11another group that I'm trying to learn a little bit more about, and again,

34:15I'm going to lean on your expertise in this regard, and that is the G League, the main Celtics.

34:21Are there some storylines that we should be following or keeping an eye on with them

34:25that the average Celtics fan that just is probably not as locked in as they should be with that team?

34:32Yeah, I think the first thing I would say is that the main Celtics have one of the best players

34:38in the G League, and that's JD Davison. JD Davison is in a really unique situation in that he is,

34:45I think the first player in NBA history that's been on three consecutive two A's,

34:49and two A's are relatively new, but he's been on three consecutive two A's with the same team.

34:54And there was, I think probably his hope was to, you know, have a guaranteed deal heading

34:58into the season, but that this franchise has stuck with him and he's stuck with his franchise.

35:03And in turn, he's putting together a really phenomenal stretch of basketball. He's so fun

35:08to watch. He just manages the game masterfully. And I think that he benefits these other guys that

35:14are in and out and, you know, in Boston, in Maine, you know, on the team, not on the team,

35:18because he just runs the show really effectively. He's averaged 24 points and 10.3 assists per game

35:24so far this season. And he's been really efficient, 46% from the field. And he just looks

35:31to me like he's too good to be in the G League, but then he's still not an NBA player. And whether

35:36he's going to be an NBA player, I think is the big question. I was up there two weekends ago

35:41when the Celtics weren't playing and went to a couple of games and talked to a bunch of people

35:45and talked to his head coach, Tyler Lashbrook, who is also one of the player development coaches in

35:49Boston, who was in Boston last year. And he said, like, he's really, really close to being an NBA

35:54player. And I was like, what's holding him back? Is there a thing? And, you know, he didn't share.

35:58But I think that defensively is where there might be a gap. He's not a pritchard level defender,

36:05but he's pritchard size. And so there's a question of like, is there room for somebody that's

36:11that size, but not an elite defender? I don't know. That's the question in the NBA,

36:16if he can make that adjustment, but he's grown every year that he's been in Maine and he's a

36:20legend in Maine. And I know that sounds funny. I wrote an article about JD Davidson being a

36:24Maine Celtic legend. And a lot of people messaged me being like, this seems like a backhanded

36:27compliment. And I was not, that was not my intention. The intention is that he broke the

36:32all-time franchise scoring record, all-time assist record. He has every record you can think of.

36:36And when he walks into that building, like that Portland Expo, which is like a high school gym,

36:41like he is the man, he is the star. Everybody loves him there. They're lining up for photos

36:44and autographs. And so it's just a funny background story for people that are really

36:49clued in to know that this guy has like, he's, he's a star in Portland and if he moves, he makes

36:54it to the NBA, he's going to have a big following from Portland. That's going to follow him wherever

36:58he goes, even if it's not Boston. Yeah. Yeah. And sometimes I think people forget how good he was

37:03coming out of high school. I mean, he was a five-star recruit coming out of high school and to

37:07get a guy that you know, the Celtics got him late as a late second round pick in part because he

37:13didn't have a very good freshman season at Alabama and then he made the decision to turn pro

37:18anyway. And the Celtics drafted him with every intention of developing him over time. But I

37:24think the biggest thing I think that has hurt him more than anything else is opportunity.

37:30And you can't really knock the Celtics for not giving him a more expansive opportunity because

37:37think about something. I mean, he's played behind Peyton Pritchard, who played behind

37:40Marcus Martin, who played behind, you know, Malcolm Brogdon, and then you got Drew Holiday.

37:44I mean, there's a, you look at the guys that are playing for the Celtics that are taking minutes

37:49away that he could potentially have. You can't argue that he should get any of those minutes.

37:53Those guys are just appreciably better in every sense of the word. I give the Celtics credit for

37:59being patient with him and just really allowing him to grow. And I give JD, you know, credit for

38:06understanding that this is a process. I mean, he would be, I believe, a senior in college right now

38:11if he hadn't turned pro. So this is a guy that in every sense of the word could potentially be

38:17playing, you know, at Alabama or another college at this point. So it's going to take,

38:23it's taken him some time to develop. But the thing that he has that from what I've seen in

38:29Summer League and even in the few stints, you know, with the Celtics, physically speaking,

38:34he's bigger than he may appear to be. I mean, he's like, kind of like, like low-key linebacker

38:41build. He is, yeah. And I think he has yet to figure out how to utilize that strength that he

38:50has. I would love to see him become more of a bully ball basketball player. Like when, like,

38:57he's not going to be towering over guys with his size as far as height, but he's strong enough

39:02where he can use that strength to create space. You know, kind of reminds me, not quite as thick,

39:09but Bledsoe who played for the Milwaukee Bucks a few years ago. Similar, very strong guy who

39:15used his strength to create space for mid-range shots or create, use his strength to create space

39:20getting to the basket. I think JD could potentially be that type of player. But, you know, at some

39:28point, as you pointed out, Drew Holiday, Derek Wyatt, even Peyton Pritchard, not going to be

39:33here forever. It's just a matter of will they be here or will JD be here long enough to where he

39:40can get an opportunity to play some of those minutes. So that's a good one. That's a really

39:45good one to keep an eye on. And he's also, he's the second youngest player on the main Celtics,

39:50which is crazy. This is his third year. So he's, he's just 22. Like, you know, Baylor Shireman,

39:54Anton Watson are both drafted. I think they're both 24. And so he's a veteran for the G League,

40:00but he's, yeah, he's still really young. And so what he's, you know, what he hasn't done so far

40:05in the NBA is not an indictment on what he's not going to be able to do. At least that's the,

40:10that's looking at it positively, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. And let's take a real quick trip

40:14around the NBA and I want to start with the Milwaukee Bucks who are actually playing

40:20rather well. They've won five in a row. What do you, how good do you think this Bucks team

40:25is at this point? Honestly, I think they need, they need Chris Middleton to be Chris Middleton.

40:32I love Chris Middleton's game. I thought last year his playoff performance was super underrated. He

40:36was really the only reason why Milwaukee even had a chance versus Indiana. And his health is a

40:41complete question mark. Nobody really understands ever what is going on with his health, but I think

40:45right now whether he's going to come back and what form he's going to be in is the real, the

40:50real thing. So to me, if he's healthy and he's even remotely the player that we know he can be,

40:55especially in the playoffs, they're a legit team. They should be a legit team. And I think they've

41:01really underperformed to date, but without him, I think they're missing a piece. I don't know that

41:06they are a legit team without him. So Damon Little and Giannis just together have never been,

41:11still to this point, have not been the duo that I think we imagined on paper

41:15they would be when the trade happened. But even if they're not that duo, I think that they're still,

41:21this team still has a relatively high ceiling, especially considering how weak the East has been.

41:26Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And we're nearing the quarter mark of the season and that's when

41:31everyone coming out with their first quarter grades and all that other stuff. But everything

41:35to me in the East is relative to the Celtics. We know Cleveland is a legitimate threat to Boston

41:41East, obviously with their record. But when you look at Orlando, you look at the Knicks and the

41:46Bucks that we just talked about, of those three teams, Orlando, New York, and Milwaukee,

41:51which of those three teams, if you're the Celtics, you're the most concerned about?

41:59What are the three, Orlando, Milwaukee? Orlando, New York, and Milwaukee.

42:03Damn, Cleveland snub.

42:06Well, no, Cleveland, I hate this. Cleveland is a threat.

42:09Oh, you're putting them, okay, okay.

42:10Yeah, they've already moved on to the second round of teams, the Celtics have to move on.

42:15Who should join in between Orlando, New York, or Milwaukee?

42:24This might be a crazy answer, but I think maybe Milwaukee, potentially. Not the Milwaukee that

42:31we've seen so far, but if Milwaukee pans out, I think in a playoff series, they have the best

42:37chance. But they really might not plan to pan out, I don't know. What do you think?

42:44I think Milwaukee too, and here's why. Of the teams that were, of those three teams, Orlando,

42:49New York, and Milwaukee, Milwaukee makes me nervous because they have the kind of upside

42:55that, frankly, we're not seeing right now. They're playing without a key member of their

43:01core available, and if you're playing them in the playoffs and he is available, they become a very

43:06different, much more difficult team to beat. I think Orlando is going to be good. They're

43:13tough. They're definitely feisty, but I'm not sold on them and at best and seven being able to

43:19beat the Celtics, not even close. And the Knicks, I think the Knicks would, frankly,

43:23they would overhype themselves for a series against Boston to the point where they would

43:28get too fired up and too amped up for that series and make a lot of silly, stupid mistakes that the

43:33Celtics would easily capitalize on and make that series, which should be a six or seven game series,

43:38probably more like a five gamer because of a lot of the mistakes that they would make and

43:43not necessarily anything the Celtics would do. Whereas Milwaukee, because they have a core

43:50veteran group, guys who've been there, done that, they're just a much more difficult team to knock

43:57off their game than those other two. And again, with no Middleton, you just don't really know

44:06what does a complete Milwaukee Bucks team look like. And if you're the Celtics, to me,

44:11that's something that you definitely will be concerned about. Yeah, that's what it is to me,

44:16too. And I just think Giannis is ultimately playing at an MVP level right now. I guess

44:20that's the best player of any of those teams. Giannis is going to be the best one. But to be

44:25honest with you, I don't really think any of those teams can pose too formidable of a challenge to

44:31Boston. I don't know, maybe I'm overly confident, but I haven't seen anybody in the East that I

44:34think is a legitimate threat, whereas I think there's a couple of teams in the West that are.

44:38Yeah, yeah. And I want to talk about Western Conference Pacific. I want to talk about

44:43the Memphis Grizzlies. They have been rolling quite well of late. They're now fourth in the

44:50West. And my question to you, are you buying or selling them as a top four team in the Western

44:57Conference? Top four team. I think they're going to hover around there. Who is it right now? It's

45:08you've got OKC, Golden State, and Houston. Those are the three. OKC, Golden State, and Houston.

45:13And then Memphis is four right now. And then Memphis is right behind them.

45:17I don't think they'll be in the top four. I think we're going to see a team like Denver

45:23maybe go up a bit. They've been without Aaron Gordon. I think Jamal Moore is underperformed.

45:30They'll be in that mix, though. I think they'll be in that middle range. They're an interesting

45:35team. They've played so differently. I feel like some guys have had much better years than in

45:38previous years. Guys like Desmond Bain have not had as good of a year. But they're pretty fun to

45:42watch. It's fun on any given night. I feel like they have different guys that have gone off. And

45:47that's made for fun TV. They're probably like a middle of the pack playoff. Definitely a good

45:53bounce back year from them after what we saw last year. Yeah. I mean, to me, the ceiling for them is

45:57four. I think right now they're playing from where they're going to be positioned in the West as well

46:02as they could possibly play. I see them really five or six in there. The team that's in fifth

46:09right now, the Denver Nuggets, I definitely see them moving up a spot and getting home court at

46:13least through the first round. I was just going to say having Minnesota as the 11th seed, I don't

46:22think anybody would have predicted that after the year they had last year and whether that's a

46:25product of a trade that could go down as an all-time bad trade if things don't get better or

46:30something else. But I expect them to be a top four team when it's all said and done,

46:34even though right now it certainly doesn't look like it. Yeah. I tell you what though,

46:40if you are a team out West, you don't want to see Minnesota in the first round. If you're like

46:45Oklahoma City, Houston, or Golden State, any of those top two, top three teams, the last thing you

46:50want to do is see Minnesota in that first round because I think there'd be a lot of action taken

46:55against you. Teams picking them to knock you off, especially if it's like a Minnesota-Houston

47:01where Houston's having a great season, but they got so many young guys. You just don't know if

47:05they're playoff ready just yet. But back to Memphis, Memphis is an interesting team. I thought

47:12they would be my surprise team this year, a team that would finish relatively high in the West. I

47:17have them finishing fifth, so I don't see them as a top four team. I could see easily Minnesota

47:23getting on one of those heaters where they win 10 out of 12, and next thing you know, they go from

47:2811th to fourth. I could see the Phoenix Suns. If they can get healthy and get right, I could see

47:34them absolutely getting in the mix. The Dallas Mavericks have been just kind of a weird team

47:38for me this year. Luka hasn't made the progress I expected him to make after coming so close to

47:44winning a championship. He basically looks like the Luka we've seen every year in terms of health,

47:50in terms of impact, in terms of making guys around him better, which I don't think he does

47:54a very good job with. And so Dallas has been a bit of a disappointment, but they've got the

47:59potential to really, really turn it on at any given moment and be a team that can make some

48:05noise come playoff time. It is pretty remarkable that the two teams that were in the Western

48:09Conference Finals are both out of the playoff picture right now. I don't know that we would

48:14have, and again, it is really early and a lot of times when you go back and look at the standings

48:17in November, you're like, I remember when this team was in the mix and they're not even in the,

48:21you know, they're not even in the top eight anymore. But yeah, I did not expect the Mavs

48:24and the Wolves to be the 7th and 11th seed respectively, which is where they lie right now.

48:29And I do think that kind of things will level out and they'll go up there. Some of the teams

48:33that maybe have outperformed expectations a bit might take a little bit of a dive.

48:39But we'll see. The Thunder are the one team that really stands out to me in the West. Like,

48:42I think that they're very legitimate. They're very well-rounded. They don't really have any

48:45major holes. Right. Absolutely. And before we go, I want to make sure, Noah, that you let

48:51them know about your podcast and either the most recent episode or episodes you got coming up.

48:56The floor is yours. Yeah. Yeah. My podcast is, I just go live a couple of times a week on off days

49:03just to do any questions people have. So it's called ULadBoston. You can find it on CLNS Media,

49:08CLNS All Access, or on my YouTube channel, ULadBoston, and you can just tune in. And if

49:12you have any questions or anything in particular that you want to talk about, that's kind of the

49:16whole premise of the show. So you can find me there. You can also find me on the Garden Report

49:20post game and all my writing is on SB Nation. Absolutely. And Noah is our resident expert on

49:27all and any WNBA action, which is just, this was a great season. And there's so many storylines

49:34going into next year that I'm super excited about when they get that season kicked off again,

49:39because this was a really, really good season. And I think it's only going to get better.

49:44Yeah. It was such a fun first year covering the league. Yeah. The WNBA, I think is going to,

49:49is primed for continued growth here. Absolutely. Absolutely. And before we get out of here,

49:54just want to give one more shout out to our good friends at PrizePix, the exclusive daily

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50:02which takes the guesswork out of buying last minute tickets to your favorite sporting events

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50:12off your first purchase. Terms apply. Again, download the Game Time app, create an account,

50:17and use code CLNS for $20 off your first purchase. Terms apply. Well, Noah, you did it. We did it. We

50:26made it through another episode of the Big Three NBA podcast. Again, before we get out, I want to

50:32thank our guest Noah Dalzell, who was amazingly awesome, as always. Much appreciated. You can

50:37tell me. No problem. No problem. So again, that's it for this week, and we'll be back next week.

50:44We'll be talking about probably the Celtics in that great game against the Cavaliers coming up.

50:51The top two teams in the East going at it again in the Celtics. And the Cavaliers, another L,

50:58or will the Cavs get a little bit of revenge for their first L of the season,

51:01which came at the hands of the Celtics? We'll see. Sherrod Blakely, Noah Dalzell,

51:06this is the Big Three NBA podcast. Take care.

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