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00:00Before that match, my partner brought a pack of diapers.
00:05He was like, if anyone needs it before that match…
00:10I didn't think.
00:11You didn't think?
00:12No, never.
00:13Can we reveal this?
00:15No, I wouldn't have said it in that match.
00:17No, we won't reveal it,
00:19otherwise I'll say, oh my God, I don't understand anything.
00:30Welcome back to the Locker Room,
00:31back to our podcast with the protagonists of La Rosa Rossonera.
00:35Today with us is Matthew Cage.
00:37Matteo Gabbia, good morning Matteo.
00:38Good morning, good morning.
00:39Thank you very much for the invitation.
00:41Where does Matthew Cage come from?
00:43Well, honestly, I think he comes from social media,
00:47where, let's say, nice nicknames develop.
00:53And, well, the English translation,
00:56having Fik, Ruben, having a bit of English,
01:01it's nice to share it in the locker room.
01:03So, in your opinion, they took it from social media and then…
01:05Yes, yes, yes, I think that's how it went.
01:07What's your relationship with social media?
01:09Well, let's say I've changed my relationship with social media a bit.
01:14I mean, if I play a great match,
01:16I'm someone who's hardly brought up.
01:19Before, I suffered a lot more
01:22if I didn't manage to give what I wanted in a match.
01:28And now I've understood that it took away some of the important energy.
01:33In the last two years, I've managed to find a balance.
01:38I don't give it any more importance,
01:41because I don't look at it anymore.
01:45And, as a result, I live it much more like a really restricted thing.
01:49For my friends, I look at the things we send each other,
01:52with friends outside football, football friends,
01:55but it's much more fun now.
01:59Matthew, let's start from the end of the beginning,
02:02which is a new beginning.
02:04What does this mean?
02:05I mean, goodbye to Milan, which was a goodbye for a while,
02:08and the first curiosity, yesterday, talking to Luca,
02:10was, what do you think when you go on loan?
02:13You had already done one in Lucchese, we'll come back to it later.
02:16And you say, what's going on now?
02:19How did you take it? How did it go?
02:21Well, it was very strange,
02:23because I knew I had to leave this summer.
02:30I had also talked to the coach,
02:33we had talked about what could be the right path for me.
02:38And, let's say, at the beginning of the summer,
02:40I had some possibilities, but they didn't make me live
02:46that emotion that I wanted to feel in an experience
02:49that was different from what Milan was for me.
02:53The day we left to go to America,
02:56I heard my agent, just before leaving,
02:59who is also nice to me,
03:01saying, look, don't leave because practically everything is done.
03:04I told him, look, we're on the plane,
03:06so it's hard for me to tell him not to come.
03:08Really? On the plane?
03:09Yes, yes, it was...
03:10And you didn't really go down?
03:11No, no, no, I left because
03:14my agent had heard the coach, Furlani,
03:18and some things were still missing,
03:20and rightly so, they told him,
03:22Matteo, until everything is settled,
03:25you have to stay with us.
03:27So I made the trip to Los Angeles,
03:29and after two or three days everything was settled,
03:31so I had to go back,
03:33but it was...
03:35It was born quite quickly,
03:38it was something that made me say right away,
03:42yes, I like it a lot as an experience,
03:44I'm curious to live it,
03:46I'm eager to get involved
03:49also in a different country, in a different league,
03:51in a reality that is completely different from this one.
03:56And it was very nice,
03:58I was very happy with the choice I made,
04:00of how these six months went,
04:02and then to be back, of course.
04:04What kind of life was it?
04:06One day you told us,
04:08maybe it was the Empoli trip,
04:10and we were talking about it,
04:12and you said,
04:14I was very comfortable, for example,
04:16in terms of the environment,
04:18there were 20 degrees even in winter.
04:20In general, how was it?
04:22I mean, later we can also talk about the Lucchese,
04:24you had a long-distance experience,
04:26but in Serie C.
04:28Here you were in one of the best teams
04:30of one of the main European leagues,
04:32playing against very important teams.
04:34How was it? How did you feel?
04:36Among other things, you left a comfort zone,
04:39No, definitely,
04:41it was more of a test,
04:43for this reason,
04:45because I was 4 or 5 years old,
04:47and I was really in a personal comfort zone,
04:49because for me Milan is family,
04:51it's a face I've known since I was a kid,
04:53it's my family,
04:55also real,
04:57because I was lucky
04:59to play in a team
05:01where I have my family
05:0320 minutes from where I live,
05:05so it's all much easier,
05:07you don't have to change country,
05:09go to a new city
05:11with teammates who don't speak your language.
05:13It was definitely a test,
05:15but it was something that gave me a lot.
05:17The impact was very positive,
05:19because there were
05:21very, very available guys,
05:23very good, the coach,
05:25I was lucky
05:27that he was the one
05:29to influence my purchase,
05:31so to speak,
05:33also from a working point of view,
05:35it's stimulating,
05:37he helped me a lot
05:39in the first weeks,
05:41and then I think it also depends
05:43on how you get
05:45into a new reality.
05:47I tried to get known
05:49for who I am,
05:51I was lucky to have Pepe Reina,
05:53who I knew,
05:55because when he was at Milan
05:57I was the first team,
05:59so I shared some training
06:01with him,
06:03he spoke Italian,
06:05and that helped me a lot,
06:07and consequently it was
06:09a crescendo from the beginning,
06:11where I was a little more
06:13in trouble not knowing everyone,
06:15then after a couple of weeks
06:17everything was much better,
06:19you start to find your home,
06:21so even from a family point of view
06:23you are more at ease, you are no longer in a hotel.
06:25Let's say it was an experience
06:27that opened my mind,
06:29many times when a player arrives here
06:31I ignored the difficulties
06:33that could arise
06:35in a change from one country to another,
06:37from one league to another,
06:39but actually I was lucky
06:41to find everything immediately,
06:43the car, the house,
06:45to be understood
06:47within the group,
06:49also because with the language
06:51it's much more similar,
06:53but if a player changes country,
06:55the language is difficult,
06:57maybe he doesn't find
06:59comfortable immediately,
07:01I understand the difficulties.
07:03What is the link with Milan?
07:05Because A, as we have said
07:07so far, is your team,
07:09and then you were on loan,
07:11so you knew that it could
07:13be your destination again,
07:15you watched the matches,
07:17you heard your teammates,
07:19how did you live the season?
07:21I was talking about it
07:23with a Milan employee
07:25who I have a good relationship with,
07:27and let's say it's like
07:29I never left,
07:31because many times I heard
07:33all the Italian guys,
07:35even some foreigners,
07:37sometimes we heard each other,
07:39but with the Italians there was
07:41almost a daily relationship,
07:43so from that point of view
07:45it's like I never left,
07:47because I knew what was going on,
07:49I knew how the guys were,
07:51the matches, when there was
07:53the chance I watched them all,
07:55we didn't play at the same time,
07:57but I'm always
07:59linked to Milan,
08:01but also because I'm a fan,
08:03so I'm happy
08:05to see it,
08:07and sharing it
08:09with friends,
08:11I'm also curious
08:13to see how they do,
08:15and hopeful that the match
08:17is won and that they do well.
08:19And how did you live it? With anxiety,
08:21with transport, with fans?
08:23I lived it in a different way
08:25than how you see a match
08:27where you don't play.
08:29I lived it with more transport,
08:31as if I was still part of it.
08:33As if you were an unfortunate person.
08:35Yes, as if I was an unfortunate person
08:37at home, that the team
08:39is always playing away,
08:41and you're at home watching it
08:43as an unfortunate person.
08:45It's true, I see it in a different way.
08:47Now I see the matches of Villarreal
08:49when they play, but I don't have
08:51the same feeling, it's different.
08:53But Matteo, about the pressure,
08:55because you came back,
08:57I think you had an introspection,
08:59you've always been a reliable player,
09:01but you raised the bar.
09:03Has anything changed
09:05in this Spanish period?
09:07No, I don't think
09:09much has changed.
09:11I think, as I said before,
09:13I did a job on myself,
09:15on those that were defects,
09:17or where I lost energy,
09:19as was the case with social media
09:21a couple of years ago.
09:25I think I've improved
09:27the way I take care
09:29of some details in my work,
09:31which is not always
09:33working more, but for me
09:35it was also working better
09:37and maybe a little less,
09:39because sometimes
09:41when you're not playing
09:43you want to show that you're there,
09:45you want to train more
09:47to be ready, but that's not always
09:49a positive thing, because
09:51maybe you're called up on Sunday,
09:53but you come back from a week
09:55where you're always pushing
09:57to say, maybe I don't play,
09:59I have to be ready, and then
10:01you're tired.
10:03So I've managed to find
10:07a safer comfort zone
10:09for me, from a training point of view,
10:11from a structure point of view
10:13of the week.
10:15In Spain I played more,
10:17which is not a trivial thing,
10:19so I got there
10:21and I made three or four
10:23friendly matches straight away,
10:25then the league started,
10:27I played straight away,
10:29I played in the Europa League,
10:31I had a lot more continuity,
10:33I came back here,
10:35I had more continuity,
10:37so playing with consistency
10:39helps you,
10:41both from the point of view
10:43of quality and performance.
10:45One of the first matches,
10:47we were looking at the calendar
10:49with Luca yesterday,
10:51at Villarreal, and you're
10:53in front of Barcelona.
10:55I like to remind people
10:57who watch us,
10:59maybe younger people,
11:01that their idols have changed,
11:03Gavi, Yamal,
11:05who were the stars
11:07of that match.
11:09So I ask you to tell
11:11to the people who watch us,
11:13who dream of these names,
11:15you touched them, you pulled them out,
11:17you forged them, you stole their balls.
11:19How are they? Tell them.
11:21It was the second match
11:23I played there,
11:25because it was the third
11:27league match.
11:29The first one I hadn't played,
11:31the second one was my debut
11:33in New York, then the third
11:35in Barcelona, and it was
11:37a beautiful match.
11:39I liked it, I was moved,
11:41because we lost 4-3,
11:43but losing 2-0 in the beginning,
11:45then coming back 3-2,
11:47then 4-3 for them,
11:49but they really gave
11:51everything we had.
11:53They are a team
11:55that is objectively very strong,
11:57they have incredible
11:59individuality,
12:01and young players
12:03who are very, very good.
12:05They launch them with a simplicity
12:07that is 2008, how is it possible?
12:09Do you feel old?
12:11Yes, yes, you feel old,
12:13because 2007 is 8 years older than you.
12:15It's strange, isn't it?
12:17But are those two so entrepreneurial?
12:19Will they make a top career?
12:21I think Yamal
12:23is really something rare
12:25to meet,
12:27both because of his age,
12:29but also because of his technical quality,
12:31how he faces situations,
12:33but I don't have to say it,
12:35practically everyone says it.
12:37Gavi was already more known
12:39at the beginning of this season,
12:41so I knew
12:43what would happen to me
12:45during the game,
12:47the various difficulties,
12:49so it was a very nice game.
12:51What about the central defender,
12:53Lewandowski?
12:55Lewandowski is obviously
12:57a very strong player,
12:59even when you feel
13:01you have him under control,
13:03he can make a play
13:05where he steals your time,
13:07where he shoots,
13:09and then, by the way,
13:11he scored a 3-3
13:13or 4-3 goal, I don't remember,
13:15on a post.
13:17He was lucky, I can say that.
13:19He was lucky, but those players...
13:21It's the classic bomber instinct.
13:23Yes, he was there,
13:25in the perfect position,
13:27so it's not always a coincidence,
13:29I don't know how many goals he scored,
13:31but it can't be.
13:33Speaking of Lewandowski,
13:35then we get to the surprise,
13:37but speaking of Lewandowski,
13:39let's talk about a champion.
13:41I asked you before,
13:43without making names,
13:45but is the champion also
13:47an off-field champion,
13:49that is, without the ball,
13:51or is there always a thrash talk
13:53with the thick attacker,
13:55so thick that he's divine,
13:57the Lewandowski attacker?
13:59I don't think about thrash talk,
14:01I think about doing things
14:03that are useful for my team,
14:05rather than attacking a player
14:07for no reason.
14:09In the game, there are situations
14:11where you kick him,
14:13he turns around and answers you,
14:15but those are things
14:17that are very limited
14:19to that situation.
14:21It's not part of me,
14:23but it's not even part
14:25of these players,
14:27it's part of the experience
14:29I've had meeting them,
14:31without having to come
14:33and tell you something,
14:35attack you or anything.
14:37They are focused on
14:39what they have to do.
14:41You admitted that you saw
14:43the first episode with Yasin,
14:45and you found out that
14:47we have a lot of surprises.
14:49Since we were talking about Lewandowski,
14:51we have these cards,
14:53those who listen to us on Spotify
14:55and those who don't.
14:57We want to ask you
14:59how it went.
15:01You can tell us about that game
15:03or those games,
15:05or in general.
15:07It was very hard,
15:09I was good,
15:11he thrashed me.
15:13Let's swear that I'll stay here.
15:15You can't see the cameras,
15:17please.
15:19I have a good memory with him.
15:21I think I played against him
15:23and I have a good memory.
15:25So you didn't thrash him?
15:27No, zero.
15:29Good, he's very good.
15:31That game was at the beginning
15:33of his promotion
15:35and then
15:37I didn't play against him anymore.
15:39So it's okay.
15:41You didn't thrash him?
15:43No, no.
15:45I know him.
15:47He's a friend of yours.
15:49Yes, he's a friend.
15:51I know him, if I see him,
15:53I talk to him, he's good.
15:55I'm sorry it went like this.
15:57Yes, it went like this.
15:59I don't know if you remember this,
16:01but not this one, the one after,
16:03because you played in the midfield.
16:05I didn't think about it.
16:07Never.
16:09Can we reveal this?
16:11No, I wouldn't have said it
16:13in that part of the interview.
16:15No, we won't reveal it,
16:17otherwise they'll say,
16:19well,
16:21it's a bad memory.
16:25I won't say anything.
16:27I won't say anything about this.
16:29Maybe we put the shirt on you too.
16:31He made a tunnel.
16:33Let's hear him out.
16:35He'll say it.
16:37Big Mac Maccarone,
16:39I put it on him with the Carrarese shirt.
16:41Third game in Serie C, I scored.
16:43I was very full,
16:45because I was 19,
16:4718 years old, I had scored.
16:49The next action,
16:51I was winning 2-1,
16:53I pressed him,
16:55as if he had made a mistake
16:57in the stop, but he made a tunnel,
16:59I still remember it after 6 years.
17:01Tavano and Maccarone were there,
17:03how were they?
17:05They were...
17:07Let's finish the game.
17:09How was it?
17:11It was challenging.
17:13It was nice and stimulating,
17:15especially for a Serie C striker,
17:17who is young and
17:19is based on other things.
17:21They were good with the body,
17:23they turned the ball well,
17:25they were precise, they were good.
17:27Very, very good.
17:29Very good, stimulating to play against us,
17:31but...
17:33Tough.
17:35Yes, tough.
17:37A beast.
17:39Great memory of the game,
17:41because it was
17:43one of the games
17:45I remember the most.
17:47One of the games
17:49I remember
17:51with the most happiness.
17:53Let's say it then.
17:55Yes, Milan-Juve
17:572-0, 22-23.
17:59Last year, 2-0
18:01against Fic and Brahim.
18:03It was a great game,
18:05I don't have to say it,
18:07he was very good.
18:09Like all players,
18:11he had ups and downs,
18:13but he had many high moments,
18:15and I'm sure he'll have more in his career.
18:17He's a great player.
18:19We already talked about the last one.
18:21Yes, we did.
18:23I told you, it was a game
18:25I remember...
18:27We were just talking about it.
18:29It was a great game.
18:31I guess it's very stimulating
18:33to play against these...
18:35It's nice to see them again,
18:37because sometimes you don't think about it,
18:39but there are some players
18:41who are at the top of the European League.
18:43And we excluded some of them,
18:45because yesterday we watched
18:47all the attackers against those players,
18:49and there are many of them.
18:51I think it would be nice
18:53to see how many stadiums
18:55he played in,
18:57against how many attackers he played.
18:59We had fun.
19:01I want to talk about the secrets.
19:03At the locker room,
19:05we went into the locker room
19:07and I agreed with Yass.
19:09As Yass said,
19:11I can tell you
19:13we had a lot of fun.
19:15But I'm asking you,
19:17at the Scudetto,
19:19were there any anecdotes?
19:21Did we win? Did we raise the Scudetto?
19:23Any particular anecdote?
19:25I have a personal one
19:27I'll tell you about with Zlatan.
19:29It was the week before
19:31the game against Sassuolo.
19:33We were there
19:35to win,
19:37but it wasn't written yet.
19:39There was this thing
19:41about not saying...
19:43You know, a little bit of slyness,
19:45which is purely Italian.
19:47One day...
19:49I like to collect
19:51some particular jerseys.
19:53Now I have
19:55some jerseys
19:57of good opponents
19:59with whom I played,
20:01that I respect,
20:03like Ibra's jerseys.
20:05We didn't know
20:07if he had retired that year,
20:09so I said,
20:11let's win, he wants to end
20:13with a win, I'll ask him
20:15to dedicate it to me.
20:17He wrote me,
20:19thank you very much for the Scudetto.
20:21I said, let's hope
20:23I have this jersey.
20:25He wrote me a week before the game.
20:27So I said, I'll keep this one,
20:29I'll keep it,
20:31Did you see that game
20:33the day before?
20:35In Sassuolo?
20:37There was this feeling...
20:39Of celebration, right?
20:41Yes, of celebration,
20:43but also the feeling
20:45that we were ready
20:47to live that joy.
20:49It was as if
20:51we could only win.
20:53Once we arrived
20:55in Reggio Emilia
20:57by train, it was impressive.
20:59There were fans from Milan
21:01everywhere.
21:03Outside the hotel,
21:05on the day of the game,
21:07at any time, there were fans.
21:09When we arrived at the hotel,
21:11it felt like
21:13we were in San Siro,
21:15but in a stadium that is twice as small.
21:17You think, these people can't stay here,
21:19it's all inside.
21:21Instead, it was amazing.
21:23After that game,
21:25honestly, you felt good from the start.
21:27In the first 10 minutes...
21:29Yes, in the first 7-8 minutes,
21:31they were the ones
21:33who kept the ball.
21:35I said, let's hope it goes well.
21:37Then, luckily,
21:39with the quality of Rafa, Olivier,
21:41Frank,
21:43they decided
21:45that game,
21:47giving us incredible joy,
21:49making us live
21:51one of the most beautiful emotions.
21:53For me, in terms of football,
21:55it was one of the most beautiful emotions
21:57I've experienced so far.
21:59Speaking of Ibra,
22:01as an idol,
22:03I saw a picture of you
22:05in the dressing room of Old Trafford
22:07when you were on your way to the national team.
22:09A selfie of you
22:11with Ibra's shirt.
22:13Tell us about that.
22:15You were in the dressing room,
22:17he was talking,
22:19and you were saying,
22:21don't worry, I won't stop.
22:23At the beginning, yes,
22:25maybe I had that thought,
22:27but in the end,
22:29the decision would have been his.
22:31The size he had
22:33allowed him to decide
22:35if he wanted to continue or stop.
22:37As a result,
22:39the fear that a character like him
22:41could stop at that moment,
22:43was there.
22:45Then, luckily, he said no right away
22:47and he said
22:49that I don't know
22:51if he said no right away,
22:53but it shows
22:55his essence,
22:57his leadership.
22:59Saying the right things
23:01at the right time,
23:03in the right way,
23:05stimulates everyone.
23:07If you see that video,
23:09even now, when I see it again,
23:11I say, I can break a table.
23:13Speaking of speeches,
23:15what did Pioli tell you
23:17before that game?
23:19No, the coach is very good
23:21because he manages
23:23to understand
23:25how the team is doing
23:27and manage the words he tells us
23:29based on that.
23:31As a result,
23:33he mainly
23:35kept us calm.
23:37Obviously, he told us it was a fundamental game,
23:39we knew that,
23:41but he kept us calm,
23:43he told us we had done
23:45something very important
23:47and that we were close
23:49to achieving
23:51a historic goal.
23:53As a result,
23:55he was very good,
23:57he didn't put too much
23:59pressure on us.
24:01He was very good
24:03at keeping us
24:05calm, both in preparation
24:07for the game and
24:09in the pre-match speech.
24:11Speaking of the pre-match speech,
24:13if I think of Matteo Gabbi
24:15in that season, I think of Milan-Roma,
24:17because it was an incredible game,
24:19and above all, an incredible Christmas Eve.
24:21Simon out of injury,
24:23Fic and captain Romagnoli
24:25with COVID-19, you and Pier
24:27played and discovered it the night before.
24:29No,
24:31yes, it was quite
24:33special because
24:35at that time
24:37there was still COVID-19
24:39and we had to wear
24:41masks practically every day.
24:43We came back from
24:45our winter holidays and Roma
24:47would have been the first game
24:49right after that.
24:51We had
24:53done the tests
24:55and the results were positive.
24:57As a result,
24:59Pier and I started
25:01to train for those two or three days
25:03before the game together
25:05with the awareness
25:07that if they were
25:09no longer positive,
25:11Romagnoli,
25:13Alessio and Fic
25:15would have come back and probably played
25:17themselves, so we were sure
25:19the day before the game
25:21or the day of the game.
25:23But honestly, we faced it very well.
25:25We were...
25:27Great game. Yes, we were good.
25:29We played a lot
25:31as a team and it was a game
25:33where I have a good memory, we won 3-1.
25:37And it was
25:39a great memory
25:41that gave us a good momentum
25:43to get back on track
25:45in the second half of the season.
25:47It was a great game.
25:49Luca, I don't know if we want to go
25:51deeper into the Scudetto season.
25:53Do you want to?
25:55No, we have another final game.
25:57Yes, I was thinking
25:59about the shirt collection.
26:01I ask you which one is the most beautiful
26:03and the most important for you
26:05and at the same time I ask you
26:07about the shirt collection in San Siro.
26:09Yes. And how did it go?
26:11Because I dream of seeing you,
26:13I want to see that game,
26:15I want to see you young.
26:17I remember
26:19Milan Chievo, maybe,
26:21that Kaká had scored
26:23at the turn
26:25under the cross, under the south curve.
26:27Ok. Were you under the south curve?
26:29No, I was fourth man.
26:31Ok.
26:33And then there are
26:35also others. I remember
26:37a Milan Verona
26:39that Toni had impressed me with.
26:41I remember
26:43because of the physique
26:45he had.
26:47I said, I can't
26:49become so big
26:51as a child.
26:53But it was also
26:55nice to play catapal
26:57in San Siro, something that
26:59is very nice for children.
27:01We don't have much time,
27:03but passions.
27:05Hobby and girlfriend. How important was it
27:07when you met her?
27:09Did she follow you in Spain?
27:11How is football?
27:13Yes, Federica is
27:15a very important person for me.
27:17She is definitely
27:19a fundamental part
27:21of my life.
27:23She followed me, we support each other.
27:25We do what is
27:27right for a family.
27:29Consequently,
27:31she has always been
27:33by my side. In Spain
27:35she did the first period
27:37with me. After the last months
27:39she moved here because
27:41she wants to create
27:43an independent future. She is studying
27:45to become a notary.
27:47She is doing the notary practice.
27:49It is something
27:51that I also want her to do,
27:53but to realize
27:55her wishes
27:57and goals.
27:59She is a fundamental person
28:01for me.
28:03How is it with football?
28:05She supports us
28:07when we play, she supports Milan
28:09when we play, but
28:11if she had to stop playing tomorrow
28:13she wouldn't watch any more matches.
28:15I am curious,
28:17how is the passion for football for you?
28:19If you are at home on a Tuesday night,
28:21do you watch a match?
28:23I have changed a bit.
28:25Before I used to watch
28:27more matches. Now,
28:29if there is a good match
28:31and we don't have anything else to watch
28:33on TV, I prefer to watch it
28:35because I like it.
28:37But if I can
28:39empty my head and say
28:41rather than staying at home
28:43watching the match and going out for dinner,
28:45I prefer to go out for dinner or watch a movie.
28:47Then, I repeat, if the match is good
28:49and I am interested in something,
28:51I watch it because
28:53I like football a lot.
28:55If we have a break, it's time for some games.
28:57I would like to play the pyramid.
28:59Do you have an idea?
29:01We thought about it with you.
29:03It was bad.
29:05In the pyramid,
29:07maybe we didn't emphasize it,
29:09we don't put the current ones because it's bad.
29:11But with you, we decided to change it.
29:13I want to put your matches.
29:15We thought about the best matches
29:17of your career.
29:19Without knowing the order,
29:21first row, second row, third row,
29:23fourth row, a pyramid from
29:25the first row to the last four.
29:27We were very undecided.
29:29We put all the matches
29:31you played, except one.
29:33I think you already know which one
29:35because we couldn't not put it.
29:37Let's go.
29:39Milan-Roma 3-1, 21-22.
29:41The one we said before.
29:45I'll put you in third.
29:47Then you say if
29:49one is missing.
29:51Milan-Roma, the Scudetto.
29:53I didn't play.
29:59But I'll put it first.
30:01Nice.
30:03For what it gave me.
30:05That Scudetto,
30:07even if I didn't play that match,
30:09it's something right.
30:11All of us in that group
30:13feel like we won.
30:15I think it was the pinnacle
30:17of all the good matches
30:19that year.
30:21That was the cherry on the cake.
30:23Perfect.
30:25Then Scandia-Milan,
30:27the absolute debut.
30:29Scandia-Milan, the absolute debut.
30:35Dolce Amaro?
30:37Yes, it was
30:39beautiful.
30:41I had in my head
30:43a ladder before
30:45and I had removed this one.
30:47You imagined it.
30:49How can you remove the debut?
30:51You know, because...
30:53Because you expected it?
30:55No, it's not that I expected it,
30:57but I was so young
30:59and then I left.
31:01As a result,
31:03it was like
31:05I don't know,
31:07it was something...
31:09Once and for all.
31:11Like a prize,
31:13because you're training well
31:15but you're not one of the first team.
31:17For me,
31:19the debut
31:21in Serie A
31:23with Torino...
31:25Calm down.
31:27It was more than that.
31:29Because at that time
31:31I was a Milan first team player.
31:33So, Scandia-Milan and Milan-Torino.
31:35I'll put Milan-Torino here.
31:37So, the debut in Serie A
31:39in the second division.
31:42And Scandia-Milan,
31:44I'll put it in the fourth division.
31:46Then, you were the protagonist
31:48in the Italia U20.
31:49We saw that Italy was very strong.
31:51Scamacca-Pinamonti in front,
31:52there were you behind,
31:53between you,
31:54I don't want to say names,
31:55but as a captain,
31:56Italy-Mali quarter-finals
31:58that you won.
31:59Italy-Mali...
32:00But because of that
32:02World Cup in the U20,
32:04I have a beautiful memory.
32:06It was a fantastic experience
32:08as a group.
32:10Tell us about it.
32:12No, but we were a group
32:14where every night
32:16we went out
32:18to do our laps.
32:20After the games,
32:22maybe we came back late.
32:23The coach told us
32:24to rest.
32:25We went out because we were young,
32:28but we were strong as a team.
32:30We made a beautiful journey.
32:32So, Italy-Mali?
32:34Italy-Mali, I'll put it
32:36in the fourth division,
32:37even if I have a beautiful memory.
32:38We also mentioned
32:39Villarreal-Barcelona.
32:41It's a bit like
32:42meeting Barcelona
32:43and dreaming of all the kids,
32:44playing against Barcelona.
32:45We put it in because
32:46it's a bit iconic, if you like.
32:47Yes, but I still lost.
32:49Great.
32:50Great, but it's the last one.
32:52Dinamo-Zagabria-Milan,
32:53I was there.
32:54Punishment kick,
32:55you score a goal.
32:56Gabbione, goal.
32:57I'll put it in the second division.
32:59First goal in the Champions League.
33:00First goal with Milan.
33:01I'll put it in the second division.
33:03Then, let's go fast.
33:05Frosinone-Milan,
33:06first goal in Serie A,
33:07because it's one goal after the other.
33:08Third.
33:09Milan-Spal,
33:10Coppa Italia,
33:11debut at San Siro.
33:15Third,
33:17because it was the start.
33:20After that,
33:21there was Turin,
33:22after Turin,
33:23Fiorentina,
33:24and that's where it started.
33:25Let's say it's also in your pyramid.
33:26The debut at San Siro
33:27must be put in the last one.
33:28I don't know if it's third.
33:29Pay attention to the last one.
33:30I'm just telling you
33:31to pay attention to the last one.
33:32You don't know the last one.
33:33Then no,
33:34I'll put it in the fourth division.
33:36You did very well,
33:38because I remember your challenge
33:40to not go back to Serie D,
33:42Cunio-Lucchese play-out.
33:43Yes, beautiful.
33:44I told you.
33:45Beautiful.
33:46Do you remember that game?
33:48You said,
33:49if I go to Serie D,
33:50what will happen?
33:51No,
33:52because
33:53we had 15 penalty points
33:56that year.
33:57So,
33:58we had a very,
33:59very good season
34:01to go to the play-off zone.
34:04And then,
34:05obviously,
34:06the club didn't pay the salaries,
34:07didn't pay the contributions,
34:09didn't pay the fees,
34:12from the sporting director,
34:13the secretary,
34:14the shopkeeper.
34:15And as a result,
34:16in our year,
34:17we knew that
34:18we weren't in the play-out zone.
34:21But it was nice
34:23to live an experience like that.
34:26The team-mate,
34:27which in Serie C
34:28is much more familiar,
34:30different.
34:31I remember an anecdote
34:32from Serie C.
34:33Before that game,
34:34my team-mate
34:35brought a pack of towels.
34:39He said,
34:40if someone needs it,
34:41before that game,
34:42he can take it.
34:43And then,
34:44we won that game.
34:46But wait,
34:47I ask you,
34:48many times,
34:49there's more tension
34:50in a game
34:51where you risk your life.
34:52Because if you go back in time,
34:53it changes a lot.
34:54No,
34:55but that was
34:56a special season.
34:57Because,
34:58as I said,
34:59we had already had
35:00a very good season.
35:01There were...
35:04I had team-mates
35:05who,
35:06however,
35:07hadn't been paid
35:08for 6-7 months.
35:11As a result,
35:12we had to keep playing.
35:13In that year,
35:14there was also
35:15a...
35:16with the fans,
35:18who were very good,
35:19who financed our transfers.
35:21There was a sharing...
35:23Do you have any team-mates
35:24you still feel close to?
35:25Yes, yes.
35:26Tell me one
35:27you feel close to.
35:28Marco De Vito.
35:29He was in Milan, right?
35:30In his youth.
35:31No, he was in Milan
35:32as De Feo.
35:33De Feo.
35:34De Feo used to play
35:35in Primavera in Milan.
35:36He also had a good relationship
35:37with him.
35:38But Marco De Vito...
35:41I share a few things with him.
35:42Maybe he writes to me
35:43after a game.
35:46I write to him
35:47after his game
35:48or after something
35:49that happens to him
35:50in life.
35:51Ties that will last forever.
35:52Yes, yes.
35:53Come on, two cards.
35:54The last thing.
35:55Is there anyone left?
35:56Is there anyone left?
35:57Here...
36:00So, for now...
36:01Major international disorder.
36:02In fact, I say,
36:03for now,
36:04these are fine.
36:05And then we hope
36:08to have more in the future.
36:10We have an appointment
36:11in a few seasons
36:12for the Olympic Games.
36:13Let's hope so.
36:14Come on, two cards.
36:15Let's not do too much.
36:17Do I have to look at one at a time?
36:18Read it, read it.
36:19Yes, let's read two.
36:20So,
36:21do you share everything
36:22with your friends
36:23or do you have secrets?
36:26No, mainly
36:27with my friends,
36:29friends who are very few.
36:33I share almost everything.
36:35Everything,
36:36however,
36:37I don't know where the limit is
36:38of this question,
36:39but no, I share
36:40everything possible.
36:41Come on.
36:42Second and last.
36:45What are you afraid of?
36:51Well,
36:52on a football level,
36:54I don't have
36:56big fears.
36:58I mean,
36:59in my opinion,
37:00being afraid
37:01is something
37:02that can only
37:03lead you to something negative.
37:05It's right to take
37:06what comes,
37:07always try to do
37:08as much as possible.
37:09Then, what comes
37:10is what you could give
37:12to that thing,
37:13so you don't have to have regrets.
37:14But also things in life.
37:16In other words,
37:17fear of dogs.
37:18I know you don't,
37:19because we met you
37:20here one day
37:21at the veterinary.
37:22No, no.
37:23If I have to tell you something,
37:24I'm afraid of
37:26sharks,
37:28of water.
37:30If I'm in a sea
37:32that's not in Italy,
37:33a bit far away...
37:35Dark.
37:36Yes, dark,
37:37I'm afraid.
37:38Fazio, decide.
37:39One question for you
37:40or another card.
37:41Come on, the last card.
37:42You don't trust yourself.
37:44Let's see.
37:45What's the nicest thing
37:46someone has done for you?
37:53Well, I'm a lucky guy.
37:55But I'll tell you something,
37:56going back to the topic
37:58of the engagement.
37:59First, something I liked
38:01that I didn't expect,
38:02but because I'm not
38:03that kind of guy.
38:05It was my birthday,
38:07I don't like parties,
38:09being at the center
38:10of attention.
38:11I'm happy
38:12if I have my dinner.
38:14Federica had organized
38:16a surprise party
38:18at home
38:20with some friends.
38:22There was Sandro,
38:25there was Plizzari,
38:27there was Pobe,
38:28who also played in Turin.
38:33It was very nice,
38:35with some close friends.
38:37It was something
38:38I didn't expect,
38:40but it made me very happy
38:42because I wouldn't have
38:44ever said it.
38:46I came home
38:47and they were already there,
38:49so it made me very happy.
38:51Nice.
38:52What did the best thing
38:53about Milan teach you
38:54before the last lockdown?
38:55We had books down here.
38:57We had books because...
38:58In the meantime,
38:59what did Milan teach you?
39:01Milan taught me
39:03the path I had
39:05in the youth sector,
39:07to have consistency,
39:09seriousness in work,
39:11respect for what is
39:13Milanello,
39:14the people who work in Milanello
39:16and you,
39:17who are in that place.
39:19To have 360° respect
39:21for what this company represents,
39:23for what you represent
39:25when you wear this shirt.
39:27As a result,
39:28this growth in the youth sector
39:30made me understand
39:32these things.
39:34The book of youth
39:35tracks the best talents
39:36every year.
39:38I looked at the 17-18 book
39:39and I said,
39:40maybe it would be useful
39:41to have an experience
39:42far away from Milan
39:43to build your bones
39:44and then deserve San Siro,
39:45which is what happened.
39:46And from Anna Lucchese,
39:47they write,
39:48if well placed in the context,
39:49despite coming from Milan
39:50they have a great sense
39:51of humility.
39:52Very well placed,
39:53strong psychologically,
39:54in difficult moments
39:55he never lost his head,
39:56boasting an important mental strength,
39:58he knows how to get out of the context
39:59as he is showing
40:00in the difficult
40:01extra-football situation
40:02of the Tuscans.
40:03Calm, he lives like an athlete,
40:04he is diligent and very precise,
40:05very humble off the pitch,
40:07great personality on the pitch,
40:08in the ball management
40:09and in the defense,
40:10he leads in the first person
40:11even though he is the youngest
40:12in the back row.
40:13Great,
40:14I'm closing this episode a bit.
40:15No, very nice, yes.
40:17I'm closing
40:19what I am as a person,
40:22more than from a technical,
40:24football point of view,
40:25but I see myself,
40:26I'm a calm person
40:28who doesn't care
40:31if there are negative contexts,
40:33but who tries to bring the positive
40:35to me and to those around me
40:37doing my best.
40:39Sometimes it works,
40:40sometimes it doesn't,
40:41but the important thing
40:42is to always try to do
40:43something good and positive.
40:44Let's close with this,
40:45but another curiosity
40:46and we'll never finish,
40:47you know it, you're crazy,
40:48who brought you to Milan?
40:50Who brought you?
40:51Bianchessi.
40:53He used to bring me to Milan.
40:55Three thanks to Bianchessi,
40:56should we tell him one?
40:57We'll tell Bianchessi,
40:58for sure.
41:00Three thanks,
41:02to the people of Milan
41:03and the pre-season.
41:04Yes.
41:05Bianchessi,
41:06then I have to tell you
41:08Filippo Galli,
41:09but because
41:10maybe you'll see this interview
41:12and you'll say
41:13oh, he finally understood.
41:14I used to play midfield,
41:16and he told me
41:17you'll have to be
41:18the central defender,
41:19I'll see you there.
41:20And I didn't want to as a kid,
41:21I didn't like it.
41:22You didn't have fun?
41:23No, I didn't have fun,
41:24I liked being in midfield more,
41:25you get in the area,
41:26you score,
41:27you touch more balls.
41:29And then in the end
41:30he was right,
41:31so with time
41:32a big thank you
41:33goes to him too.
41:37By the way,
41:38he'll come to see us.
41:39Yes, exactly.
41:40Ok, then maybe
41:41if there's a chance.
41:42Let's say that
41:43first of all
41:44you didn't thank him
41:45for what he said.
41:46No, no,
41:47I was a kid,
41:48I didn't say anything to him,
41:49but I wasn't as happy
41:50as I should have been.
41:55And a big thank you
41:56goes to the current coach,
41:59now it looks like
42:00a curse word.
42:01No, it goes to the current coach
42:02because he really trusted me
42:04and gave me the chance
42:06to live this dream
42:08of playing for Milan.
42:10Before I didn't have
42:11this chance.
42:13Even Montella
42:14is right to thank
42:15because he was in the first team
42:17and he called me in the first team,
42:19he encouraged me
42:20and consequently
42:21he was also very important.
42:23But with Mr. Pioli
42:25I had a different continuity.
42:27So,
42:29you have your destiny in your hands.
42:32Strofina,
42:33you already know who's coming out.
42:36You can express three wishes.
42:39I'll seem repetitive
42:40since I told you
42:41I watched Yasin's episode,
42:43but health,
42:45for me and for my loved ones,
42:47I think it's the most important thing.
42:49And
42:51to have a family future
42:55full of positive things.
43:00I really want to have
43:02a family in the future
43:03that is beautiful to live,
43:06to see,
43:07a family
43:10as I understand it,
43:11like the one I grew up in.