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00:00It was nice.
00:02Brilliant.
00:03A little bit out here.
00:04How did the party go?
00:06Did you come back straight away?
00:08You don't remember?
00:09I woke up after 15 minutes.
00:12If I yelled, you had to run away.
00:14Zaccheroni.
00:15I fell asleep.
00:16Straight away?
00:17But it was Milanello.
00:18Wait, Brocchi didn't even tell me.
00:21But on the first goal?
00:23Yes, straight away.
00:24I turned it on for you.
00:26Yes, straight away.
00:27I said, fuck, it was a good start.
00:29Because my mum was a goalkeeper,
00:31and my dad was a Milanese goalkeeper.
00:33So I only had to be a goalkeeper.
00:35And the goalkeeper is stupid.
00:43Welcome back to Locker Room.
00:45A new episode.
00:46I hope it's a very interesting episode,
00:48because we have a goalkeeper with us.
00:50Actually, the goalkeeper with the most presence
00:52in the history of Milan.
00:53Welcome, Cristiano Abbiati.
00:54Thank you for the invitation.
00:55We have Cristiano Abbiati,
00:57the goalkeeper with the most presence
00:59in the history of Milan,
01:00but he's a very calm guy.
01:02You say, goalkeeper in the history of Milan,
01:04with the most presence, he'll be cool.
01:06Not that he's not cool.
01:07Because he doesn't have hair.
01:09He'll be a VIP, a star.
01:11What's he like?
01:12He's a very simple guy.
01:14Yes, it's part of my character.
01:17I'm also a bit introverted,
01:19and a bit shy,
01:21so I don't like to show it.
01:23Looking back,
01:24you don't realise you'll stay in the history of Milan for centuries?
01:28No.
01:29No?
01:30Absolutely not.
01:31Sometimes I don't realise it.
01:32It's like when they say,
01:33you're fat,
01:34I feel small,
01:35but I'm fat.
01:36But have you always been like this, Cristiano?
01:38As a kid, as a boy, as a player?
01:40Yes, absolutely.
01:41I think it took us almost a year
01:45to have a conversation with Paolo Maldini
01:47in the first year.
01:48We only stopped to say hello.
01:50I was afraid and respectful.
01:52Filippo told us about this.
01:54No, about Baresi.
01:56Galli told us, if I'm not mistaken,
01:58that he gave you the first year in Baresi.
02:01More or less the same.
02:02Not to her,
02:03but it took me a while to get the right confidence.
02:06He also says a lot about your dressing room,
02:09about the respect you had.
02:11He was very respectful,
02:13and at the slightest difficulty,
02:16he helped us all.
02:18We'll get back to this later,
02:20but what do you do today, Cristiano?
02:22You've been away from football for a while.
02:25Today I'm Harley Davidson's motorcyclist.
02:28I have a shop here in Milan,
02:30a dealership,
02:31and I spend 12 hours there.
02:34It's a passion.
02:35It's a passion we knew,
02:36but Fra told us before,
02:37with the microphones off,
02:39you do 700-800 km a day,
02:41you're constantly on holiday,
02:44maybe it's more than a passion.
02:46Yes, you think about football,
02:49Milan was my passion,
02:51it still is,
02:52but it was my job,
02:53I did a passion job.
02:55I was lucky enough to start another activity,
02:58always with a passion,
02:59so I'm lucky.
03:01By the way, Cristiano,
03:02we read that you inaugurated the shop
03:05on your last day in Milan.
03:08You weren't there,
03:09but this passion is never over.
03:11Yes, it was done on purpose.
03:13It's like the end and the beginning of a new life.
03:17From one door to the other,
03:18because the shop is called Gate 32.
03:21That's how it was born.
03:22Why do you like 32?
03:2332 was born from a group of friends,
03:27Davieri, Brocchi, Di Biagio, Abbiatti, Matri,
03:32then over the years,
03:33someone joined and we all had 32.
03:35Wait, I remember this,
03:37because one year Brocchi stole your 32,
03:40you had 16.
03:41Yes.
03:42How did you manage it?
03:43One year I had to give it to Beckham.
03:45Really?
03:46Yes, because Ambrogini was 23,
03:48so I had to give it to him.
03:49You know, the history of numbers is very interesting.
03:51By the way, bro,
03:52I wrote it down because
03:54the fact that the shopkeeper has so few times 1
03:56is very strange,
03:57but then it's true that 32 is what interests you the most,
03:59but 32, 17, 46, 77, 18, 12, 1.
04:04The shopkeeper is stupid.
04:06No, the nice thing is that
04:07we never dealt with the other guests,
04:09but I think it's very interesting.
04:11How do you choose the numbers in the dressing room?
04:13Because in some dressing rooms
04:14you dress a little more from the inside,
04:15you make the offers,
04:17then you go to eat pizza with the money.
04:19How does it work there?
04:20I'm the oldest, I decide,
04:21I stay in a corner or...
04:22No, let's say that when you won everything,
04:25three or four players arrived a year
04:27and they matched.
04:28So whoever was already in pink
04:30kept their number.
04:31So there had never been such a struggle
04:34to get the desired number.
04:37And when, instead,
04:39there was someone who disputed it,
04:41how did you play it?
04:42I don't know how to answer this question.
04:45I never paid attention.
04:47When I became a manager,
04:48there was the problem of Bonucci and Cassi
04:50who made me grow my hair.
04:52That's true.
04:53At 13 you lost 70.
04:55No, 19, 79.
04:5779, 19.
04:59They made me go crazy.
05:01But there...
05:02I don't know if...
05:03Falcini, do you think...
05:05No, I wanted to understand this thing with Beckham.
05:07When Beckham arrived,
05:08you said they matched.
05:09No, yes, they matched,
05:11but Beckham was always...
05:13He was famous for having 23.
05:15I kindly said,
05:16if you want 32, which is the opposite,
05:18I'll give it to you.
05:19And then I got a number of those
05:20that you just listed.
05:22So randomly.
05:23Yes, well...
05:26It was a gesture of courtesy.
05:29It was a nice gesture.
05:30Let's finish with what you do today.
05:33You are a very normal person,
05:34like a normal person,
05:35indeed, more than a normal person,
05:37at 7 you are in the office.
05:38Tell us about your day, kind of.
05:40Let's say 7 and a half.
05:417 and a half.
05:43I'm not a mechanic.
05:45I open a shop,
05:46I manage everything
05:47that has to do with Harley Davidson,
05:49who are Americans,
05:50so they are demanding.
05:53I'm there,
05:54then if there are some customers,
05:55we have a chat,
05:56we drink coffee with the customers,
05:57we try to sell motorcycles,
06:00and that's it.
06:01I organize the day
06:02for the guys who work for me.
06:04Another curiosity,
06:05because a friend of mine,
06:06a Harley rider,
06:07told me,
06:08he's a big fan of the Sarley's,
06:10ask him this thing,
06:11which is interesting,
06:12but do you go in groups,
06:13do you prefer to ride alone with the motorbike?
06:15Is there a VIP among the groups?
06:18Because he rides a lot with me.
06:20We often go in groups,
06:22sometimes it's nice to ride alone,
06:25especially when there are some people
06:26who ride,
06:27I take the motorbike and I go.
06:30There are some ex-players,
06:31but they don't come often with us.
06:33The one who comes often with me,
06:35who doesn't live in Milan,
06:36is Favalli,
06:37and he rides with a group of Romas,
06:38if I'm not mistaken.
06:40You come from all over Italy,
06:41you find yourself in a second family,
06:44we were saying before,
06:45it's almost a dressing room, right?
06:46Yes, it's a dressing room,
06:47much bigger,
06:48but it's a dressing room.
06:49Speaking of family,
06:50I'm curious to understand,
06:51what is your background?
06:53Because,
06:54to be such a humble person,
06:56but a successful worker,
06:58I obviously imagine
06:59that you have important roots
07:01in your family.
07:03Which family do you come from?
07:05Well,
07:06my parents come from the province of Milan,
07:10from Cascine,
07:12so I grew up among the chickens,
07:15and then we moved to Milan.
07:16My parents are simple.
07:18I remember the first year
07:19they took me around,
07:20because my mother was a porter,
07:22and my father was a porter
07:23at the Milan Canottieri,
07:24so I only had to be a porter.
07:27How does football approach you?
07:29A bit like everyone else,
07:30you spend time in the oratory, right?
07:32Yes, I started playing
07:33at the Oratorio del Paese,
07:35in Abetegrasso,
07:36and then,
07:37I think a year later,
07:38I started playing for a team
07:39at the Oratorio.
07:41How I became a porter,
07:42in my opinion,
07:44I remember it well,
07:45because of my height,
07:46they put me in goal,
07:47and then,
07:48diving into the mud,
07:50I fell in love with this role.
07:52Maybe you remembered a bit
07:53the factory,
07:54with all the scrubbing in the mud.
07:56Is it true that you were born a porter?
07:58Because many people always say
07:59that the porter,
08:00also in terms of mentality,
08:01is...
08:03You're on your own.
08:05So, you have to have the right character
08:07to be a porter,
08:08but you're on your own,
08:10you can do 94 minutes
08:12paring everything,
08:13and in the last minute,
08:14you do your thing,
08:16and you don't remember
08:17any of the 94 minutes,
08:18while for the forward,
08:19or for another type of role,
08:22if you miss a goal,
08:23but you score two,
08:24nothing happens.
08:25Before, you told us
08:26that the thing you miss the most
08:27is the adrenaline,
08:28and in my opinion,
08:29even more than any player,
08:30is the fact
08:31that you decide
08:32an entire match,
08:33maybe an entire league,
08:34or a competition,
08:35in one action,
08:36with what gesture...
08:37Yes,
08:38the role of the goalkeeper
08:39is fundamental.
08:41There's a statistic,
08:42an average,
08:43I think that
08:44a good goalkeeper,
08:45to win,
08:46has to give you X points,
08:47but that's not the case.
08:49But, going back to
08:50how you started playing,
08:51going back to your childhood,
08:52what's the first memory
08:53you have of your childhood?
08:55Of my childhood?
08:56Childhood, childhood,
08:57I don't remember much
08:58from the past.
09:00But when I was a teenager,
09:01the motorbike.
09:03The motorbike.
09:04In the afternoons,
09:05around...
09:06Always.
09:07On the wall, right?
09:08I would get in the motorbike
09:09all day long, that's it.
09:10Many players arrive,
09:11today more than ever,
09:12moving from
09:13big youth clubs,
09:14changing many youth clubs,
09:16even up to 16 years old,
09:17three or four teams,
09:18but you did Aurora,
09:20Athletic, Trezzano,
09:21Assago, Corsico,
09:24which are all teams,
09:26even if important,
09:27in any case,
09:28a glorious past
09:29in the city of Milan,
09:30but entertaining.
09:32When did you understand,
09:34how did you think,
09:35I'll be the player?
09:38I started thinking
09:39when Corsico,
09:40which is a good city,
09:43I went to Monza.
09:45I started telling them,
09:47but if they call me,
09:48it means there is
09:49a minimum of good.
09:51Let's see,
09:52I'll try to take advantage of it.
09:54But in that period,
09:55you were also a baker,
09:56so always six and a half
09:57on foot,
09:58tell us about those moments.
10:02By law,
10:03I had to start at 6,
10:04so I didn't go at night,
10:06at 2 or 3 at night,
10:07to do it,
10:08so from 6 I did it
10:09until noon,
10:10I took the motorbike,
10:11I went to Monza to train
10:12and I came back.
10:14So discotheques,
10:16companies,
10:17I saw very little.
10:19So you were already
10:20used to the sacrifice.
10:21Absolutely, yes.
10:22But why this thing
10:23of the baker?
10:25It's simple,
10:26because I went to Monza,
10:27I had to do a school,
10:28I didn't want to go to school,
10:29there was a hostel school,
10:30I did that.
10:31The example I give to those
10:33who come and point at your finger,
10:35you have earned a lot,
10:36you have earned a lot,
10:37is a very simple example,
10:39where I,
10:40with a 24-year-old daughter,
10:42I think I managed
10:43to participate
10:44in just one play.
10:46Because I was lucky
10:47to play in a big team,
10:48so it means Sunday,
10:50Wednesday the Cup,
10:51then there was the national team,
10:53so there was never,
10:54so this is the sacrifice.
10:56I think I'm lucky,
10:57because I did most of
10:58my career in Milan,
11:00or in Monza at the beginning,
11:02and my parents
11:03live 20 minutes from Milan,
11:06so I always had a way
11:07to see them.
11:08I think of those
11:09where my parents
11:10are maybe a kilometer
11:12or a kilometer away.
11:13Then you go to Borgosesia,
11:15which is also here,
11:17I read an anecdote,
11:18because in Monza
11:19I took Castellazzi,
11:21who was a little older than you,
11:24maybe a year.
11:25Two years.
11:26Two years.
11:27So you wouldn't have
11:29found a place
11:30and you still go
11:31to loan companies.
11:33How does it work there?
11:34Does something come up
11:35and you say,
11:36no, I want to play,
11:37or I could play?
11:38No, no, I accepted
11:39the appointment
11:40because they showed me
11:43the ambitions they had.
11:46I said, I'll try.
11:47Anyway, it was a bet,
11:49because there,
11:50either it goes wrong
11:51or it goes well,
11:52because it was really
11:54a bet,
11:55it went well,
11:56then I was lucky
11:57that the next year
11:58Monza called me back
11:59and from there
12:00everything started.
12:01I came from
12:02the spring of Monza,
12:03but I had done well.
12:05The sporting director
12:06was Terranio.
12:07He called me
12:08and said,
12:09I found you a team.
12:10I was already in Luso,
12:11I made the movies,
12:12I'll go to the C Series
12:13from somewhere.
12:14They tell me Borgosesia,
12:15which is me,
12:16with all the respect I have,
12:17I didn't even know
12:18where it was.
12:19Anyway,
12:20this was also
12:21my luck.
12:24What do you remember
12:25about that experience?
12:26I mean,
12:27do you know
12:28or it goes wrong?
12:30I remember it well.
12:32It was difficult,
12:33because I was playing
12:34with people,
12:35there was also a guy
12:36who had already played
12:37in Serie A in Cagliari,
12:38so he was an expert,
12:39he had already played
12:40in Serie B,
12:41Serie C.
12:42I was 17 years old
12:43and I was playing
12:44with teammates
12:45of 34, 33.
12:47It was training.
12:50Were there those experiences
12:52like in the NBA
12:53they call them rookies,
12:54the veterans,
12:55who, I'm not telling you,
12:56bullied you,
12:57but...
12:58Yes, yes, there were.
12:59Then I was big,
13:00so I could already
13:01defend myself.
13:02But yes,
13:03you pick up all the balls
13:04that are around
13:05and maybe
13:06you picked them all up
13:07and threw them away.
13:08Then I got nervous,
13:09they understood.
13:10Instead,
13:11then you return
13:12to Monza,
13:13where, by the way,
13:14among the teammates
13:15you had Oddo,
13:16Milanetto,
13:17Daversa,
13:18Asta,
13:19they had already played
13:20in Monza.
13:21Asta was already...
13:22Asta was already
13:23a big player, yes.
13:24Exactly,
13:25he was already a player.
13:26The first day,
13:27Monza-Carpi,
13:28I saw that
13:29you weren't called up
13:30and Gatta was also
13:31kicked out
13:32in that game.
13:33I'll explain the reason,
13:34I was in the military.
13:35How did you manage
13:36in that...
13:37How did you manage?
13:38It was difficult
13:39to manage the military
13:40with football
13:41because the day off
13:42was Thursday
13:43and you arrived on Thursday
13:44and you trained
13:45on Friday,
13:46Saturday and Sunday
13:47to play.
13:48So,
13:49then I was lucky
13:50to have a coach
13:51who had already
13:52launched in previous years
13:53a young goalkeeper
13:54who was De Santi,
13:55Sa Pescara,
13:56and he launched me
13:57and from there
13:58we won the league.
13:59Then, from there
14:00the fairy tale
14:01begins
14:02because he's very lucky.
14:03I mean,
14:04I win the game,
14:05like when
14:06we play in the first
14:07half of Milan
14:08and we win.
14:09He was kicked out
14:10and made the debut
14:11in Modena,
14:12perhaps.
14:13Exactly,
14:14Modena-Monza,
14:15also there on...
14:16And the next day
14:17I immediately saw
14:18there was my name.
14:19Yes, you bought it there.
14:20Exactly,
14:21you bought all the newspapers.
14:22But then,
14:23as you said before,
14:24when you moved to Monza
14:25you started to say
14:26maybe I'll be a footballer
14:27when you see it
14:28in the newspaper
14:29it's perhaps the moment
14:30when you say
14:31well,
14:32in part I did it.
14:33Do you know what
14:34a little satisfaction is?
14:35You see your surname
14:36on...
14:37well,
14:38Serie C was the last
14:39of the pages
14:40but you saw
14:41your surname
14:42written...
14:43So then you go to Monza
14:44and you win
14:45in a final play-off
14:46Monza-Carpi,
14:47it's incredible,
14:48a field invasion,
14:49etc.
14:50And then,
14:51from there,
14:52as a young man
14:53who reaches
14:54Serie B
14:55with Monza
14:56after so many years,
14:57there's the party,
14:58a party that
14:59then,
15:00we read,
15:01led you not to present
15:02the medical visits
15:03of Milan.
15:04Tell us a little.
15:06Yes.
15:08Milan,
15:09before getting
15:10to the victory
15:11of Serie C
15:12of the play-offs,
15:13bought me Milan
15:14and well,
15:15very happy
15:16and the day after
15:17the final
15:18I was supposed
15:19to present
15:20the medical visits.
15:21I think
15:22I didn't
15:23wake up.
15:25But who called you
15:26there,
15:27Gagliano in person
15:28to say,
15:29not because
15:30you weren't there?
15:31No,
15:32a girl
15:33who was
15:34in charge
15:35of the medical department.
15:36Ah,
15:37in that case.
15:38But instead
15:39they told you
15:40they want you in Milan,
15:41how did you know?
15:42With Terranio,
15:43the sporting director.
15:44Because I was supposed
15:45to present
15:46the medical visits
15:47of Serie C
15:48of the play-offs.
15:49So,
15:50in the end,
15:51Terranio,
15:52seeing the relations
15:53he had with Milan,
15:54gave up on Milan.
15:55But speaking
15:56of relations,
15:57it's true
15:58that now
15:59you're back,
16:00you often say
16:01you went to Milan
16:02for 31 years
16:03because you were
16:04born in Monza
16:05or you worked
16:06for Monza,
16:07that Gagliano,
16:08the sporting director
16:09of Milan,
16:10maybe had
16:11an eye
16:12for Monza.
16:13How did they
16:14find you?
16:15I was 17 years old
16:16at the time,
16:17maybe they
16:18noticed me
16:19right away.
16:20But a year later,
16:21Monza
16:22and Milan
16:23had
16:24done
16:25those two years
16:26of collaboration.
16:27In fact,
16:28several players
16:29from the Milan
16:30youth sector
16:31came to Serie B.
16:32Ah,
16:33Saudati,
16:34D'Aversa.
16:35Saudati,
16:36very good,
16:37very good.
16:38Ah,
16:39because basically
16:40they take you
16:41but you stay in Monza
16:42to gain experience.
16:43When I went
16:44to Milan
16:45as a third,
16:46I asked
16:47if I could
16:48do my experience
16:49in Serie B
16:50for next year,
16:51if I was able
16:52to stay
16:53in a big team.
16:55I ask you,
16:56over the course
16:57of your career,
16:58you clearly
16:59changed,
17:00you had experience
17:01at Milan,
17:02one of the
17:03main teams
17:04in the world,
17:05you had great
17:06teammates with you,
17:07but when you were
17:08a youngster,
17:09as a goalkeeper,
17:10do you think
17:11it's better
17:12to stay in Monza
17:13than to stay
17:14in Serie B?
17:15We spoke
17:16with Brocchi,
17:17who had a similar
17:18experience as you,
17:19but in Verona
17:20he played 20 minutes,
17:21then 30,
17:22then a while,
17:23then a starter,
17:24as a goalkeeper
17:25or nothing
17:26except for
17:27great chances.
17:28So it's clear that...
17:29Well,
17:30I'll tell you
17:31that my career
17:32has always been like this.
17:33I didn't start
17:34in Serie C,
17:35I started in Serie B,
17:36then I lost it
17:37and then I started again.
17:38In Milan
17:39I started as a third,
17:40in Atletico Madrid
17:42you know your potential,
17:43and you also have to
17:44recognise,
17:45as I recognised
17:46in 2003-2004,
17:47that Dida
17:48was a phenomenon.
17:49So I raise
17:50my flag,
17:51for my own good
17:52I go and
17:53experience
17:54somewhere else,
17:55and then
17:56in my head
17:57I come back.
17:58You also have to
17:59know your value,
18:00you don't just
18:01have to listen
18:02to what people
18:03say
18:04or who's
18:05close to you
18:06and says
18:07you're strong,
18:08you're strong,
18:09but he's not.
18:10No,
18:11wait a minute,
18:12look at yourself,
18:13put yourself
18:14into the game
18:15if you can,
18:16and then
18:17you'll be rewarded.
18:18In 1998-99
18:19you return to Milan.
18:20There,
18:21as usual,
18:22a youngster,
18:23as it was
18:24in the past,
18:25either goes to loan
18:26or even,
18:27well,
18:28maybe you were
18:29a bit older
18:30and it's still
18:31early spring,
18:32so you need
18:33a bit more time.
18:34You instead
18:35arrive as a third
18:36with the Reds,
18:37and in the end
18:38you're still
18:39the best
18:40in the history
18:41of Milan.
18:42In the first games
18:43I entered the stadium
18:44from outside
18:45because the third
18:46goalkeeper
18:47was on the bench
18:48and sometimes
18:49they wouldn't
18:50even let me in.
18:51It happened to you?
18:52I'm the third goalkeeper.
18:53Really?
18:54Let me in.
18:55Yes, yes.
18:56Or watch the games
18:57with the Reds
18:58on the stands
18:59and you didn't
19:00have a place.
19:01Think about it.
19:02Yes.
19:03But for you
19:04it was normal
19:05at the time?
19:06I was there.
19:07In Serie A
19:08and then in Milan
19:09there are champions
19:10and it's totally different
19:11from what I had
19:12in Serie B.
19:13They shoot faster,
19:14they shoot fast
19:15and precise.
19:16They don't just
19:17shoot fast.
19:18You get used
19:19to those rhythms
19:20and if you see
19:21they start taking
19:22one, two, three
19:23you say,
19:24but wait a minute
19:25maybe.
19:26It happens to Lehmann
19:27that he doesn't perform.
19:28It happens to the Reds
19:29that we arrive
19:30and you play.
19:31But in that case
19:32Lehmann...
19:33Well, also the language.
19:34He's German
19:35and when the language
19:36wasn't spoken much
19:37he spoke Italian.
19:38Football is different
19:39and the way
19:40of speaking
19:41that a German goalkeeper
19:42has is different
19:43from the Italian one.
19:44You have to stretch
19:45your legs
19:46and it's a bit different.
19:47It was hard.
19:48Then, guys,
19:49Rossi was behind us.
19:50It was a walk.
19:51Speaking of Rossi,
19:52exactly,
19:53we saw
19:54an interview
19:55from a journalist
19:56who said,
19:57Rossi,
19:58who was
19:59another great goalkeeper
20:00in history,
20:01asks you
20:02what you think
20:03about him
20:04and you say
20:05he's always been
20:06a bit hostile
20:07to other goalkeepers.
20:08What does that mean?
20:09In what sense?
20:10He put pressure on you.
20:11He was very good
20:12at putting pressure on you.
20:13He's a big, strong man.
20:14Guys,
20:15Seba,
20:16Sebastiano Rossi
20:17was one of the greatest
20:18goalkeepers in Milan
20:19for ten years in a row.
20:20So,
20:21all the respect
20:22he has for Seba.
20:23But he put pressure on you.
20:24A lot.
20:25Did he also incite fear
20:26in that sense?
20:27No,
20:28he didn't.
20:29No,
20:30he didn't.
20:31No,
20:32he didn't.
20:33No,
20:34no,
20:35that's all.
20:36No,
20:37he didn't attract
20:38anyone'sOW.
20:39I don't know
20:40what I was saying.
20:41Did he excite
20:42any fear or
20:45anxiety in that sense?
20:49No,
20:50I wasn't scared
20:51of anyone
20:52respecting or
20:54anything,
20:55so...
20:56not fear,
20:57but you knew
20:58that if he was wrong
20:59he was ready.
21:00In Milan?
21:01Like always?
21:02Of course.
21:03Fortunately, we have the same character.
21:08You are a bit similar.
21:10Yes, we have the same character.
21:12He was a bit unlucky.
21:14I was young and he was already 33.
21:17I don't remember well now.
21:19Do you remember some scenes, some anecdotes of Milanello,
21:22even off the pitch?
21:23I mean, I don't know, in the corridors of Milanello,
21:25in the lunchroom, where you say,
21:26damn, this really suits me.
21:28No, no, no, only on the pitch.
21:30It was a real sports competition.
21:34And then, instead, the famous shot by Rossi on Bucchi,
21:40as a wrestler.
21:42I want to hear.
21:44Cristiano Abbiati on the bench,
21:46who sees the penalty.
21:47They kick it.
21:48And how did you live that moment?
21:49Those ten minutes?
21:50No, then,
21:52Lehmann had already taken it away,
21:53so I had played two games
21:55from second on the bench.
21:57So it means, second on the bench,
21:58you go into the stadium,
21:59you see that there are 80,000 people.
22:01I stop you.
22:02And who was the other goalkeeper
22:03who came to Lehmann's place?
22:04I don't remember.
22:05Ah, Frezzolini,
22:06then he scored the third goal.
22:08From Udinese.
22:09And people see it.
22:11But when I made my way from the bench
22:13to go to the goal,
22:14I was kicked out.
22:15I said, where the hell were these people before?
22:18An impact that I will remember for the rest of my life.
22:21There was that second fraction,
22:23where, instead of understanding what was happening on the ground,
22:26I looked up.
22:28And I didn't realize it
22:29before it was all over with the people.
22:31Also because I think,
22:33maybe later we will also have the chance
22:35to talk about Giro d'Anna-Roma,
22:36but in general,
22:37many people we have spoken to,
22:38about debuts,
22:39you know, you play as a player on the move,
22:41or maybe you know you can come in,
22:43the night before, the coach gives you a speech,
22:45maybe some teammates.
22:46There, I guess you didn't know,
22:48so not even to say,
22:49Ah, Ancelotti kept me calm,
22:50Zaccheroni kept me calm,
22:51Maldini kept me calm.
22:53It was Maldini,
22:55you know, black and white.
22:57I told you, warm up, come on.
22:59But not even.
23:00What do you mean, warm up?
23:01I'll give you a penalty right away.
23:02Move!
23:04I put my gloves on and went inside.
23:06But I know you're a perfectionist,
23:08you were, I don't care,
23:09I guess that's a feature you still have today.
23:12And I want to go back to your debut in Bologna,
23:15from the first minute,
23:16which is the game after.
23:17The curiosity is also that you make your debut,
23:19you go to the post,
23:20Ah, I made my debut,
23:21I went to the post of UEA.
23:22You say, but Cristiano Abbiati went to the post of UEA,
23:24this is a particular thing.
23:25I didn't know, I don't remember.
23:27He went to the post of a ball,
23:28the first African ball,
23:29he went to Abbiati.
23:30Out.
23:31Exactly.
23:32And you played the game after,
23:34as a starter in Bologna,
23:35a sensational 3-2 with the goal of Ngotti,
23:37which we all still remember.
23:39I saw the highlights.
23:40Yes.
23:41And you played a great game
23:43to be the first of the debut,
23:44but I ask you as a perfectionist,
23:46because later you will make a super save on Anderson,
23:50who makes a head shot up close,
23:51and makes a great save.
23:52But on the first goal.
23:54Yes, right away.
23:55I turned it on.
23:57Yes, right away.
23:58I said, fuck, it was starting well.
24:00Punishment, I take my ball.
24:02Which wasn't so easy to take,
24:04because it widened.
24:05But I said, fuck.
24:06Exactly.
24:07That's what I wanted to do.
24:09But you see, my character,
24:10because I've seen many good goalkeepers
24:13with a non-cold character
24:15or they made mistakes.
24:17Instead, it's over.
24:18The mistake was there.
24:19When the game is over, we analyze it.
24:22We move on.
24:23But before the game,
24:24I imagine that your teammates,
24:25in defense,
24:26I don't remember if it was Maldini-Sala,
24:28maybe...
24:29Yes, the defense was that,
24:30Maldini-Sala, Ingotti, Costa-Curta.
24:32Did they encourage you?
24:34Or not?
24:35You were there for seven months.
24:36Yes, but they had Albertini too.
24:38They had a great experience.
24:40So they knew that the more they broke your balls,
24:43the more they put you on.
24:44So they were good.
24:46The night before,
24:47in Bologna, do you remember?
24:48No, but I sleep here for you too.
24:51You don't remember anything.
24:52But during that season,
24:54the more you played,
24:56the more experience you had,
24:57the more you grew.
24:58How was the relationship with your teammates?
25:00I mean...
25:01Not the same.
25:02Did they encourage you?
25:03Did they support you?
25:04No.
25:05Maybe there were some veterans
25:06who talked to you?
25:07No, for me it was the same.
25:10Because the more time passed,
25:12the more I realized
25:13that I was doing well.
25:16The more I said,
25:17wait a minute,
25:18it's all true.
25:19So I was always in my place.
25:20I was only thinking about training
25:22and finishing the season.
25:23Then no one thought
25:27that we would have won the Scudetto
25:28at the end of the year.
25:29So it was...
25:31I was really...
25:33I was going for the first,
25:35I was going for the last,
25:36but because I really wanted to say
25:38this is my chance,
25:39I have to play it all.
25:40And then from Perugia to Perugia,
25:42because, well,
25:44you said it 5 billion times,
25:46you went to see the highlights,
25:47you watched Paratone
25:49at some point,
25:50it was a magical year.
25:51But what did you remember about Perugia?
25:53About the party afterwards,
25:54about the night before,
25:56about the coach's speech,
25:58what did you remember
25:59about that day?
26:00So,
26:01I don't remember the night before
26:02and I don't remember the coach's speech,
26:04but I remember the party,
26:05for sure.
26:07The regret of not having returned
26:08straight away to Milan,
26:09because we had the party
26:10there in Perugia,
26:12but on the pitch,
26:13I didn't know where to go.
26:15It's like when we won
26:16the Champions League,
26:17I didn't know where to go.
26:18I think I made all the holes
26:19on the pitch and I took them,
26:20because we won the Scudetto.
26:22I, Abbiati, Christian and Milano
26:24won the Scudetto at 20 years old.
26:26In Milan.
26:27Playing.
26:28Playing.
26:29In Milan it's all,
26:30you have to see the story,
26:33I mean,
26:34a player comes to Milan
26:35and I'll show him
26:36the story of the great players,
26:37starting from Baresi,
26:38from Valdini,
26:39what does it mean to be in Milan?
26:41I mean,
26:42I was the manager.
26:44When we drew,
26:46we didn't go out at night,
26:47not even to a restaurant.
26:49I'd rather come to my house
26:50or your house,
26:51but I didn't go out.
26:52I mean,
26:53Milan has to win.
26:54I mean,
26:55if you draw...
26:57No.
26:58In fact,
26:59Nesta...
27:00You don't win the next game.
27:01In an interview,
27:02Nesta says this thing,
27:03I arrived in Milan,
27:05now I'm in Milan,
27:06and he says,
27:07but they took Stan behind,
27:08they took him,
27:09and he said,
27:10but if I stay here,
27:11I always have to win,
27:12and you also won
27:13against the great goalkeepers.
27:14That's it.
27:15But it's right that it's like that.
27:16It's right that the team
27:17is at the same level,
27:18that there is competitiveness,
27:21but the wings,
27:22I always say,
27:23the wings are fundamental.
27:24We want to try
27:25to get into room 42.
27:27Fabbiati,
27:28Brocchi,
27:29Cattuso.
27:31How was it born?
27:32Wait,
27:33Brocchi,
27:34until he told you,
27:35I mean,
27:36for me,
27:37this thing is fundamental.
27:38No,
27:39but there were rooms
27:40from 1 to 2,
27:41and you made a group.
27:42No,
27:43this room from 42
27:44was born for the president,
27:45so it was the biggest,
27:46the most beautiful.
27:47But then,
27:48wait,
27:49the one after the second door
27:50on the left?
27:51It's the only one on the left,
27:52then there are the stairs
27:53to go down.
27:54The stairs to go down,
27:55the one that was then
27:56of Ibra.
27:57Yes,
27:58after Berlusconi
27:59it was of Ibra.
28:00Ibra was now
28:01an orange.
28:02And they all came there,
28:03the door was open,
28:04Ancelotti also came,
28:05they all came there
28:06to talk for 10 minutes,
28:07if he didn't go,
28:08he went to the bar,
28:09while they came back,
28:10he stopped there,
28:11it was a bit like
28:12everyone's room.
28:13It was the room
28:14of the tattoo
28:15after the Champions League.
28:16Who did it?
28:17Yes,
28:18a guy from Vigevano,
28:19we did it in Milanello,
28:20he tattooed us there.
28:21There are three of us
28:22from the Champions League
28:23and someone else
28:24did something,
28:25I don't remember what.
28:26But how did you meet
28:27Gattuso and Brocchi?
28:28I mean,
28:29what...
28:30Because we always went out
28:31together,
28:32we did part
28:33of the holidays together,
28:34we were always together
28:35even if it was
28:36outside the pitch.
28:37If you had to describe
28:38the other two
28:39and yourself
28:40in that room...
28:41Three idiots.
28:42Isn't there
28:43the nice guy,
28:44the...
28:45Yes,
28:46I was the
28:47unrivaled one
28:48for sure,
28:49Brocchi the nice guy,
28:50Rino,
28:51Rino is the most
28:52competitive person
28:53I've ever met
28:54in my life.
28:55Rino
28:56came to Milanello
28:57and he scored
28:5830 goals,
28:59he left Milanello
29:00and he did
29:0130 goals,
29:02he was
29:03the best
29:04in the world
29:05in Milanello,
29:06he did everything
29:07in Milanello
29:08to make you understand
29:09that the goal
29:10is that,
29:11I can do it,
29:12I can do it.
29:13I have a curiosity,
29:14you were
29:15three Italians
29:16and if you want,
29:17three Italians
29:18who were
29:19strong,
29:20very strong
29:21in the history
29:22of Italian football,
29:23but
29:24you were seen
29:25outside the pitch
29:26and you were seen
29:27also on the pitch,
29:28I mean,
29:29Abbiati was
29:30covering everything
29:31but he wasn't
29:32a photographer
29:34and he wasn't
29:35beautiful to look at,
29:36with all due respect,
29:37we'll get to that later,
29:38Gattuso Idem
29:39was running
29:40but he wasn't
29:41doing the Veronica
29:42and the double passes,
29:43Broc Idem,
29:44I mean,
29:45if you think about it,
29:46he's almost
29:47an oxymoron,
29:48I mean,
29:49in the most
29:50winning Milan,
29:51three very strong players
29:52but they got there
29:53and they had
29:54maybe
29:55a lot more
29:56than the others
29:57and what?
29:58To get to those levels,
29:59being...
30:00Hungry,
30:01hungry
30:02to stay,
30:03to get there
30:04and to stay,
30:05I mean,
30:06the sacrifices are true
30:07but maybe in the evening
30:08you'd go out,
30:09you'd be late,
30:10you'd drink,
30:11but the next morning
30:12you'd go at 2 o'clock
30:13then you'd go home
30:14in the afternoon
30:15and you'd wake up
30:16the next morning
30:17but in the morning
30:18you'd go at 2 o'clock,
30:19I mean,
30:20we used to go like this,
30:21I mean,
30:22for us,
30:23this is football,
30:24you know,
30:25now it's different,
30:26now you're on social media,
30:27you think about
30:28the comment
30:29on social media,
30:30etc, etc.
30:31The question is,
30:32if,
30:33how and how much
30:34does it matter
30:35to have in Milan
30:36more or less Italians?
30:38I mean,
30:39I remember that Milan,
30:40since it was a big Milan,
30:41had an Italian core.
30:43With all due respect
30:44I have for foreigners,
30:46for me,
30:47in an Italian team,
30:50there has to be
30:51a group of Italians
30:53because they feel
30:54the derby more,
30:55they feel
30:56Mina Juve more,
30:57they feel
30:58the Champions League game more,
31:00I have this feeling,
31:01then maybe I'm wrong.
31:02Listen,
31:03I have two questions
31:04about that camera.
31:05The first one is
31:06if there's a crazy thing
31:07that you did,
31:08I guess there is
31:09because there will be
31:10more than one,
31:11but one that you can tell.
31:12For example,
31:13Cristian told us
31:14that when you stole
31:15the phone from Rino,
31:16he started sending
31:17messages to the right wing,
31:18Braida,
31:19leaders.
31:20But there's a lot.
31:21One day we bought
31:22compressed air pistols,
31:23we shot
31:24against Brocchi's photo
31:25hanging,
31:26then we went out
31:27and shot the journalists.
31:29So,
31:30on the way,
31:31sometimes there were
31:32two beds
31:33and there was
31:34a sofa, a bed,
31:35a blanket.
31:36Rino always slept
31:37on the bed
31:38because he played.
31:39Maybe I,
31:40on Brocchi's turn,
31:41we did,
31:42but rightly.
31:43I would go
31:44beyond the first
31:45parenthesis with Milan
31:46because during
31:47a Berlusconi trophy
31:48a very famous episode
31:49happens,
31:50a clash between
31:51Kaká and Buffon,
31:52Buffon gets injured
31:53and Berlusconi
31:54does this
31:55very sporty gesture
31:56where he says
31:57to make up for
31:58this injury
31:59there's Cristiano Abbiati.
32:00How did you
32:01live that scene?
32:02Was it
32:03a decision
32:04of the club?
32:05Did you
32:06confront yourself?
32:07No,
32:08but there's
32:09a little bit
32:10before that
32:11I went to
32:12Genoa.
32:13I,
32:14as I said
32:15before,
32:16wanted to
32:17get back
32:18into the game
32:19so I chose
32:20to go to Genoa
32:21which was
32:22a new promotion
32:23then in a month
32:24of retirement
32:25above all
32:26I came back
32:27to Milan.
32:28As I came back
32:29to Milan
32:30this happened.
32:31Do you want me
32:32to say no?
32:33To go to Juve?
32:34So you were already
32:35involved in the fight?
32:36Yes, I went to
32:37Milan, I went to Juve.
32:38Ok.
32:39Also because
32:40let's say
32:41you were leaving
32:42the reserve
32:43to start
32:44as a starter.
32:45Exactly.
32:46Yes,
32:47I didn't play
32:48the first game
32:49which was
32:50an Italian Super Cup
32:51Inter-Milan
32:52and yes,
32:53Juve-Inter
32:54then from the first
32:55game
32:56there were
32:57some
32:58different
32:59performances.
33:00Very similar.
33:01Milan was
33:02organised
33:03back then.
33:04I was more
33:05Milanese
33:06and organised
33:07as a
33:08club.
33:09But then
33:10you went
33:11to Atletico Madrid.
33:12Yes,
33:13a great experience.
33:14Everything
33:15happened
33:16in two days.
33:17I went to
33:18pay a visit
33:19and they
33:20took me.
33:21I knew I was
33:22starting as second
33:23and there wasn't
33:24It was a great experience.
33:27We finished fourth in the Champions League,
33:29where Atletico Madrid hadn't been for a long time.
33:31What do you remember about the experience there?
33:35The fans.
33:37The fans because they are very close to the Italian curves.
33:40While in Spain, not everywhere, the curves are still Italian.
33:45Then there were friends like Albertini, Vieri,
33:49they had already been there.
33:50Torrisi too.
33:52They explained the place to me.
33:54They welcomed me very well.
33:57I should have stayed, but Atletico Madrid had suspensions,
34:01so I came back to Milan.
34:03Milan, the province of Milan.
34:05Yes, Borgossesia, Turin, which is a hundred kilometres from Milan.
34:09For you, Madrid was a radical change.
34:12It's true that you were an adult,
34:14but you always did your career,
34:16and consequently your life,
34:17in northern Italy, around Milan.
34:19How did you experience it?
34:21As I said before, it was born in two days.
34:23In two days they told me,
34:25Atletico Madrid is looking for a second goalkeeper.
34:30I'm a friend of...
34:31Poor guy, he's no longer here.
34:33I called him and he said,
34:34Yes, it's true.
34:36I called Gagliani and he said yes.
34:38Two days later, I went to visit him.
34:40But I would also like to ask you about the relationship with Gagliani.
34:44Because the year after, you return to Milan.
34:47And practically, Gagliani had ceded you to Palermo.
34:51He wanted you to go to Palermo.
34:53Yes, yes, it was a bit of a thing, yes.
34:55No, but you come back,
34:59and as far as I've read, tell me if I'm wrong,
35:01I say, no, I'm playing it, I want to stay.
35:05And Gagliani,
35:07which I seem to understand in all the stories,
35:10is very grateful for those who made the history of Milan,
35:13for those who did the good of Milan.
35:15So maybe another manager,
35:17I don't know, maybe I would have met others, I don't know,
35:19could have said,
35:21no, we've already done it,
35:23or we'll break it.
35:24Yes, because they had Dida, Kalac,
35:27Fiori again,
35:29and Storari, I think, in pink.
35:31So I would have been the fifth.
35:34But I wanted to play my chance.
35:38I want to say, let's do the pre-season,
35:40and then send me away, if I'm not able to.
35:43Gagliani, if he called you, if he gave you some money,
35:45you would have done something.
35:46If he called you with your name, you were calm.
35:48He hears you.
35:50That's what I did.
35:52But did it ever happen?
35:54Yes, yes, it happened once.
35:57Is it the first time you can tell us?
35:59No.
36:01Also Braida, I call him Papa Braida,
36:04because Braida had much more confidence in us,
36:07but Dr. Gagliani was always present.
36:10Always present.
36:11For better or for worse, he always gave you the right word.
36:17When he had something to say, he said it.
36:19Did he call you to his office?
36:21No, he came to Milanello.
36:23Ah, he came to Milanello.
36:24Anyway, when he arrived...
36:25No, it could also be for positive things.
36:27Yes, he came every Saturday.
36:29But if he came every week, there was something,
36:31either positive or negative.
36:33Did he come straight to you,
36:35or maybe he went to the captain, to the coach?
36:38No, but he went to the coach,
36:40then he talked to the team,
36:42and then individually he talked to someone more,
36:44with someone a little less.
36:45Did it also happen in the pre-match, on Sunday?
36:48No, he always went to his place.
36:50In the case of post-match?
36:51Exactly, he talked to the coach.
36:52Speaking of matches and analysis of opponents,
36:54nowadays times evolve quickly,
36:57there's video, video analyst,
36:59the goalkeeper first sees all the penalties,
37:01where they kick, how they kick.
37:02Do you have time, not that you're old,
37:04but in the 90s, until the 90s,
37:07how did you analyse the opponent?
37:09With the VHS?
37:10No, I only analysed penalties.
37:12I waited for the match on Sunday,
37:14right, left, right, left.
37:16Did you do it?
37:17Yes, yes.
37:18Think about it.
37:19Did you have the notebook?
37:20Yes, I did it like that.
37:21And how did it work?
37:23Did they always shoot there?
37:25You know what the misfortune was?
37:26You couldn't see them again.
37:28So maybe he shot to the right,
37:30in a certain way,
37:32but you didn't remember if it was the end of the match,
37:36they were already winning,
37:37they were equalising.
37:38Dinner.
37:39The match ends on Sunday,
37:40you run home, you're at the table,
37:42wait, wait,
37:43let's say you were one,
37:44there's a match on Sunday,
37:45I have to see the goal,
37:46you take the pen,
37:47and it's beautiful.
37:49If you didn't see it,
37:50the next day you tried to go and read
37:52where he had shot.
37:53And for the team, instead,
37:54there were already a little more than...
37:56I don't remember the last videos.
37:58So...
37:59There were videos,
38:00how they played,
38:01but it's not like now,
38:02now it's really...
38:04Who was the forward who bothered you the most?
38:07You really don't remember,
38:08now you're making a joke.
38:10He's nice.
38:11Brilliant.
38:12He's a bit out here.
38:14No, but there's no one.
38:16It's like when you ask me
38:17who's the strongest player I've ever played with.
38:19It's hard to answer.
38:20You make me despair.
38:21So then,
38:22I restrict the field
38:24to your colleagues, let's say.
38:26What was your relationship with Dida?
38:28Nice, very nice.
38:30Very nice.
38:31I'm competitive,
38:34but, as I've always said,
38:35I have sports loyalty.
38:37I don't give a shit about the field,
38:38but in the sense that
38:39if you're good,
38:40I try to be better than you.
38:42When I'm given the chance to play,
38:43I'll try to do better than you.
38:46But at a certain point,
38:47there's a bar.
38:49You get there,
38:50beyond that,
38:51I can't go.
38:52Maybe he was an even higher bar.
38:54What do you remember, for example,
38:55about the penalties in Manchester?
38:57Everything.
38:58Everything, I remember.
38:59Everything.
39:01I remember more than the final,
39:02the semi-final.
39:03But yes, everything.
39:04I remember entering the field 10 times,
39:06going out again.
39:08During the penalties?
39:09No, no, at the end of the match.
39:11But there, instead,
39:12with Dida, did you talk about the penalties?
39:14At the end of the match with Inter,
39:17the return semi-final,
39:18I took it,
39:20because he would have played anyway,
39:23and I told him,
39:24now let me win,
39:25but I'm tired.
39:26He made me win.
39:27There was a speech
39:28that Christian Corrino made to us,
39:30and among other things,
39:31he had the same trajectory,
39:33in the sense that you played
39:34that semi-final,
39:35both as protagonists
39:37in a different way,
39:39and then there's your partner
39:40who has to go and finish the job.
39:42So I see this parallelism a lot,
39:44also because, let's say,
39:46if Manchester hadn't ended like this,
39:48with the penalty on Callon,
39:49of course it would have been worth it.
39:51And there,
39:52at the end of that Callon penalty,
39:55I mean,
39:56well, Abbiati is good,
39:57he saves,
39:58we don't say anything,
39:59but you have to tell yourself,
40:00I'm a great cricketer.
40:01Ancelotti came.
40:02The morning after,
40:03Ancelotti came,
40:04he took me after breakfast,
40:05because we always played in the morning,
40:08we got to the pitch early,
40:09we had breakfast,
40:10and then we trained.
40:11After breakfast,
40:12he took me away,
40:13I still want to congratulate him,
40:15because if you're a serious person,
40:16you've always trained well,
40:17and you get results.
40:18But in fact,
40:19that's it.
40:20I mean,
40:21I'm not surprised
40:22if a guy does well
40:23when he doesn't play much.
40:24It means that he always trains well.
40:26But there,
40:27he's really a dad,
40:28a big brother,
40:29Ancelotti.
40:30Ancelotti's ability
40:31is to make those who play less
40:33participate.
40:35And then,
40:36how did the party go?
40:37Did you come back immediately?
40:38No.
40:39You have few memories.
40:40I woke up after a quarter of an hour.
40:43On the bench,
40:44you suffer in those moments.
40:45Yes, you suffer.
40:47You suffer a lot,
40:48there's an absurd tension,
40:49you don't know what to do.
40:51At the end of the first half,
40:52what did the coach say?
40:54Well,
40:55it was a very balanced game,
40:56there was...
40:57It seemed written
40:58that the penalties would end.
41:01Gigi Buffon scored a great save
41:03and then Conte took a cross.
41:06Then that's it,
41:07it's over.
41:08Occasions...
41:09Well,
41:10they gave us a goal
41:11that maybe was regular.
41:12But,
41:13there's a lot of tension.
41:15By the way,
41:16how is it to play with,
41:17in all games,
41:18the first Champions League final
41:19against some guys
41:21that you see often in the league,
41:23some maybe you've crossed
41:24in the national team,
41:25I mean,
41:26it's not like Di Civale
41:27against the European team,
41:28who knows who they will be.
41:29I mean,
41:30some of them were,
41:31I guess,
41:32even friends.
41:33Well,
41:34everything gets erased there.
41:35No,
41:36of course,
41:37but...
41:38Maybe you go around
41:39the night before,
41:40or maybe not even the night before,
41:41two days before,
41:42and then when you're on the pitch...
41:44Ready to battle.
41:45If you get hurt,
41:46I'll hurt you.
41:47Not as a bad guy,
41:48but I'll hurt you.
41:50Do you remember
41:51a speech
41:52of a coach
41:53of all your career
41:54in one way
41:55or another?
41:56Or because it was grotesque,
41:57or because it was great,
41:58or because it was funny?
41:59Well,
42:00don't ask me for the exact words,
42:01but for me
42:02the biggest motivator
42:03was Sinisa Mihajlovic.
42:06When he spoke,
42:07I was with my mouth open.
42:08I was already 34,
42:0935 years old.
42:11No,
42:12older.
42:13I was 38,
42:1439,
42:15because it was the last year.
42:16I was 39.
42:17I kept my mouth open
42:18because
42:19he was an absurd motivator.
42:22Is he a bit like you
42:25as a man?
42:27Yes, he's good.
42:28But he's very good
42:30in communicating with the player.
42:32He's very demanding.
42:34He communicated so much
42:35that he even asked you
42:36if Gigio Donnarumma
42:37was ready
42:38and you said
42:39throw him in.
42:41It's not for everyone, right?
42:42What would Rossi have answered?
42:44No,
42:45I'm 39 already.
42:50No,
42:51it was like that.
42:53He had already decided.
42:55It's not thanks to me
42:57that he played.
42:58But I confirmed it to him.
42:59Yes,
43:00throw him in.
43:01And he too,
43:02like you,
43:03immediately punished
43:04and scored on his part.
43:05Yes,
43:06but I told him
43:07not to move.
43:08Do you remember
43:09any words,
43:10any advice
43:11maybe the night before
43:12before going on the pitch?
43:13No,
43:14not the night before,
43:15absolutely not.
43:16Before going on the pitch,
43:17I told him
43:18don't move
43:19or I'll stay still
43:20on your post.
43:21Really?
43:22Yes,
43:23that's right.
43:24Did he come from Bologna?
43:25No,
43:26he scored
43:27and Berardi
43:28scored
43:29and Berardi
43:30who sometimes
43:31shoots it from there.
43:32So,
43:33if a guy comes
43:34and says
43:35tomorrow I'm playing in Serie A,
43:36what's the first advice
43:37you give to this guy?
43:39Have fun.
43:40Have fun.
43:41Last year
43:42I think I played
43:43three games.
43:44No,
43:45I played the whole Coppa Italia
43:46until I got to the final,
43:47until I got to the final
43:48and then in the league
43:49I only won two or three games.
43:50That's it.
43:53But it was hard for me
43:54to travel from Milan
43:56to Milanello
43:57which for me
43:58is unthinkable.
43:59It was hard for me
44:00to have lunch
44:01with the team
44:02every day.
44:03It was hard for me
44:04to go to training.
44:05I had another year
44:06of contract
44:07and physically
44:08I think
44:09I could go on
44:10easily
44:11since
44:12in the Coppa Italia
44:13final
44:14we managed
44:15to get there
44:16but
44:17I don't have the motivation
44:18anymore.
44:19Even in the last game
44:20against Roma
44:24there was Mr. Brocchi
44:25who played me
44:26and I said
44:27look Cristian
44:28we're friends
44:29do you think
44:30I'm empty?
44:32If I go in
44:33I only risk
44:34being a piece of shit
44:35and losing the team
44:36maybe.
44:37So no,
44:38if we ever see
44:39the last five or ten minutes
44:40then the game
44:41was bad
44:42because I lost
44:43anyway.
44:45In fact I thought
44:46a lot of people
44:47left
44:48but they stayed.
44:50How was it
44:51to have a
44:52Mr. Friend?
44:53Is it true
44:54that you were the last one?
44:55I had
44:56Inzaghi,
44:57Seedorf, Brocchi
44:58all of them
44:59Mijanovic
45:00I lived
45:01where I lived.
45:03Tell me this
45:04now you said
45:05Seedorf
45:06and I think
45:07President.
45:08Yes,
45:09everyone whistled
45:10and he said
45:11give me the ball.
45:12Are you sure?
45:13Give me the ball.
45:14Or he would
45:15open his ass
45:16and say
45:17good,
45:18you only applaud.
45:19I didn't hear anything.
45:22Our personality
45:23and then
45:24a great player
45:25won everything.
45:26Other characters
45:27with that great personality?
45:32Many,
45:33I think many.
45:34Ibra
45:35who is here now
45:37Paolo
45:38Paolo had a great personality
45:39but Paolo
45:40I didn't hear him scream
45:41I didn't hear him speak
45:42but I knew he was there.
45:44Many
45:45they called me
45:46the silent captain
45:47if I screamed
45:48you had to run away.
45:50It happened to me
45:51only once
45:52with
45:54an attacker
45:55I don't remember his name
45:56Bacca
45:57Bacca
45:59You change
46:00and you leave
46:01we already lose
46:02people whistle
46:03you change
46:04to the coach
46:05and you leave
46:06without even saying goodbye
46:07to your teammates.
46:08We are already
46:09sailing
46:10in the shit
46:11and you
46:12change
46:13the situation.
46:14These are the scenes
46:15that make you
46:16give up.
46:18But
46:20about personality
46:21I think
46:22if you don't have
46:23a minimum of personality
46:25you can't play
46:26I mean
46:27you have to have it
46:28or in one way
46:29or another
46:30because
46:31I imagine
46:32I look around
46:33I look around
46:34I look around
46:35I look around
46:36I look around
46:37I look around
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47:15I look around
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47:18I look around
47:20Once before...
47:21You were always a little bit late
47:22In fact I read
47:23Just one
47:37Zacheroni
47:37Did he fall asleep?
47:38Sure
47:39You've had a lot of important experiences, but it's clear that you were often closed in the national team by Gigi Buffon.
47:45What's the theme for you, the national team, and then how did you live it?
47:48And let's go back to the goalkeeper, who either has the chance or doesn't have it.
47:53Let's say I started in the wrong years, because there was Buffon, Toldo, Peruzzi, Rossi, Navarro was quitting.
48:00Then who was there? There were some, right?
48:03I'm happy. I played in the national team at least once and I played in two competitions, the European and the World Cup.
48:09You also won the U21s, right?
48:11I won the U21s and we lost the final against France, the Golden Goal.
48:17So I'm happy to have had my experiences.
48:20Then, at 29, I said to Donadoni, look, there's no point in me coming.
48:27Milan has always had more Brazilians than Argentinians.
48:30What do you see in South Americans?
48:32Beer.
48:34Beer.
48:35I thought more Germans.
48:37Brazilians send me beer.
48:39Yes.
48:40They're all sunny, all funny.
48:43From Sergino, from...
48:45Maybe the silliest one was Kaká.
48:48But they're all funny.
48:50They're all partying.
48:52Pato Ronaldinho.
48:54Pato was one of the strongest players.
48:57Unfortunately.
48:59He had less luck.
49:01Ronaldinho was training.
49:03Wait, question.
49:04If someone had to ask me, who's the strongest player?
49:07I'd say Ronaldinho.
49:09I'm a player from Milan, from the same team.
49:13I have Ronaldinho in pink.
49:15But he's a player to me, honestly.
49:17He respects the rules, whatever you want, we all agree.
49:20He trains all day.
49:22But if he does the opposite to Rabona in the game, I'll go and massage him.
49:26Does it work like that in Milan?
49:28No, but he trained.
49:30Maybe he couldn't keep up with the team,
49:33because Barcelona's mentality is totally different,
49:36even the style of play.
49:38But the pitch is his mother.
49:40He'd stop the ball and you wouldn't move it.
49:44What was it like off the pitch?
49:46Party.
49:47Party.
49:48We have this little game here.
49:50We'll give you the beer.
49:52The defences that gave you more confidence,
49:55that got into your heart.
49:57So the players you had in front of you,
49:59who were your favourites.
50:02You didn't get it, I didn't get it either.
50:04They're your defences?
50:06Are you telling me the year?
50:07No, I'm just telling you the names.
50:09Year, season, team.
50:10Ok.
50:11Milan 1998-99.
50:12So I'm Sala, Costacurta, Maldini.
50:14No, wait, you're Zaccheroni.
50:16Exactly.
50:17Can I go?
50:18Go.
50:19Third place.
50:21Torino 2006-2007.
50:262008.
50:272006-2007.
50:28Torino.
50:29I'll say 2006.
50:31Torino, it's written Torino.
50:33Torino, go.
50:34Last place.
50:35Let's say it for those who listen.
50:43Ok.
50:44Fourth place.
50:45This is important.
50:51No.
50:52Second place.
51:01I don't know the next ones.
51:03It's a game.
51:052000?
51:062013-2014.
51:09Fourth place.
51:16Do you remember?
51:17Yes, I remember, but unfortunately
51:19I'm afraid of what comes next.
51:21Because it's the glory.
51:22Monza.
51:23Nice.
51:24Monza, third place.
51:25We haven't asked you about Monza yet.
51:27Then we have Milan 2001-2002,
51:30Serginho, Calazze, Laursen, Contra.
51:35I'll say 2003.
51:372011, I think.
51:42I'll put it here.
51:43Fourth place.
51:44They told me...
51:452001-2002.
51:47Then, Italia U21, Rivalta, Mezzano, Grandoni, Daino.
51:52Third place.
51:53Third place.
51:55Milan 2010-2011, Abate, Nesta, Tiago, Silva, Antonini.
52:01I'll put it second because I think you'll say 2003.
52:05Ok.
52:06Second place.
52:08Let me see what's written.
52:11Actually, you can read the last one.
52:14We defended your four appearances with Italy.
52:18Grosso, Cannavaro, Nesta, Zambrotta.
52:20Ok.
52:21First place.
52:23Maybe these two.
52:24Costacurta, Calazze, Maldini.
52:26The Champions League year.
52:28Ok.
52:31Christian, we also have this game.
52:34We have five cards.
52:35They're random questions.
52:36Read them and get at least two or three.
52:40The thing you're most ashamed of.
52:42The thing you're most ashamed of.
52:44Right?
52:45Yes, free kick.
52:47And some other shit I've done.
52:49On the pitch.
52:51On the pitch.
52:52The ball was bigger.
52:56With Juve.
52:57It was over.
52:58So I let go of Marchisio, who passed me in the middle of the legs.
53:02There's even a feeling of shame about a technical mistake.
53:06It's a shame.
53:07Can I open a parenthesis?
53:09Di Biagio's punishment.
53:12It's true.
53:13I had taken a bottle cap off the goal line.
53:18Exactly.
53:19I asked myself.
53:20If you had thrown it at me, you would have died.
53:22I asked myself.
53:24You didn't do it on purpose.
53:26The referee didn't notice.
53:29I even brought it to the interview.
53:32It was a bottle cap.
53:34I thought it was orange.
53:35I don't even know if the referee had already whistled.
53:38Maybe he didn't have to whistle.
53:40He didn't have to whistle.
53:42Let's change the subject.
53:43Let's talk about Inter.
53:46Who would you take on a motorbike day with you?
53:50Always football.
53:51The 21.
53:53Pirlo.
53:54Nice.
53:55Pirlo would be afraid of the motorbike.
53:57No, of course not.
54:01The biggest thing you've done.
54:06Have I done it?
54:08I don't know if I've done such big things.
54:12I've done one, but I can't tell you.
54:15Can I change it?
54:16Yes, go ahead.
54:17We're done.
54:18There are two.
54:19At this point, let's do all of them.
54:23As you know your wife,
54:25she introduced me to a mutual friend.
54:29In Milan.
54:31A day you'd like to relive,
54:33and a day you don't want to relive.
54:35A day you'd like to relive,
54:36and a day you don't want to relive.
54:38I don't want to relive...
54:39Everyone thinks...
54:41Ste?
54:42Yes, but it's always the same city.
54:45Istanbul...
54:49Galatasaray-Milan,
54:51which we lost,
54:52we came out.
54:53The year after the Scudetto,
54:54so in 2000.
54:55We lost 3-2.
54:58We came out of the UEFA Cup,
55:00the Champions League and the UEFA Cup.
55:02In one game.
55:03We were first in the group,
55:04and the one you'd like to relive?
55:07Manchester United.
55:09You don't talk much about your family.
55:12There was a question about your wife,
55:14but you're very reserved.
55:17She has a 24-year-old daughter.
55:19You're proud of the little one,
55:21even though she's older now.
55:23She's 24.
55:24Cristian looks young,
55:25but his daughter is older.
55:27Did you have a young one?
55:28Yes, I'm 47,
55:30and she's 23.
55:33We have a lightbulb.
55:35A genius comes out of every lightbulb.
55:37I'll take it off.
55:39You can express three wishes.
55:42The first one is...
55:46personal,
55:47health,
55:48and my family.
55:49Definitely.
55:51The second one...
55:53is here.
55:56I'm still blushing,
55:57so the second star is here.
56:00The third one...
56:01I'll leave it to the others.
56:02Two are enough.