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The Garden Report goes live following the Celtics game 2 vs the Pacers. Catch the Celtics Postgame Show featuring Bobby Manning, Josue Pavon, Jimmy Toscano, A. Sherrod Blakely and John Zannis as they offer insights and analysis from Boston's game vs Indiana.

0:00 - Instant Reaction
5:01 - Jaylen Brown's exceptional performance
10:23 - Indiana's relentless attacking on the paint
18:00 - Celtics' effective adjustments against Pacers
20:57 - White's offensive resurgence boosts Celtics
25:51 - Evaluating Tatum's impact and expectations
30:29 - Tatum's struggles to score over defenders
32:14 - Impact of smaller, athletic lineup on defense
34:18 - Jrue Holiday's impactful performance and readiness
40:37 - Rick Carlisle's defeated post-game analysis
46:04 - Josue insights on Jaylen Brown's standout performance
51:43 - Jaylen Brown's crucial plays in game one
55:31 - Tatum recognizing Jaylen Brown as the team leader
1:00:29 - Tatum's offense overcoming opposing team's defense
1:03:56 - Importance of getting Porzingis back in game shape
1:10:42 - Reflecting on success and gratitude
1:17:00 - Jaylen Brown's perspective on being overlooked
1:21:47 - Tatum's response to Brown question
1:23:25 - Importance of recognizing Jaylen Brown's performance
1:27:51 - Impact of small ball lineups in the game
1:30:51 - Player motivation and playing with a chip on the shoulder
1:32:24 - Jaylen Brown's impact on defense and fitting into the team
1:39:35 - Impact of missing key players on team dynamics
1:41:28 - Celtics benefiting from previous injuries
1:46:00 - Celtics' rebounding and defense key to victory

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00:00:00Can you say hard hats, folks?
00:00:07Hard hats, lunch pail, steel tool, boots.
00:00:09Anything short of a championship this year is a failure.
00:00:11Look at this boomer right here.
00:00:13You've just got so much talent here.
00:00:16Somebody said we need to apologize for Jaylen.
00:00:18Can I pull the John?
00:00:19What are we apologizing for?
00:00:20What did we say?
00:00:21What did we do?
00:00:30There we go.
00:00:31What's going on, guys?
00:00:33Welcome in, Garden Report peeps.
00:00:34Bobby Manning at the garden.
00:00:37He's got work to do, so I'm going to let him go soon.
00:00:39We're going to get Bobby's take on things.
00:00:41Sherrod Blakely here as well.
00:00:42Josue Pavone.
00:00:43Yeah, we might see him.
00:00:46But here we are.
00:00:48Another one in the books, 126-110.
00:00:51This has officially gone from, hey,
00:00:53this is going to be a competitive series.
00:00:55The Pacers are tough to, well, the Pacers
00:00:58are pesky to now it might be Halliburton's out
00:01:02and this one is a cakewalk and Celtics should sweep or win
00:01:06this one in five.
00:01:07So it was fun having the playoffs
00:01:09for a full game, which is what we did in game one.
00:01:13But it's over.
00:01:13Book your tickets to the finals, guys.
00:01:15Book one for each city.
00:01:17We don't know Dallas or Minnesota, but this is over.
00:01:21It's hard to not start with Halliburton.
00:01:23Halliburton supposedly tweaked his hamstring.
00:01:26If he injured the same hamstring,
00:01:29if he did anything to a hamstring,
00:01:30it's hard to see him playing anytime soon.
00:01:33Even a minor aggravation is going to be a few days
00:01:36and I think it's going to be too late here.
00:01:38So we'll see what happens.
00:01:39But Bobby, give us your take on the game here
00:01:42and then we'll do a eulogy for the Pacers
00:01:46here because they might be cooked.
00:01:49Yeah, I'm not going to do that before it flips home court.
00:01:51Certainly if Halliburton's out, you're going in that direction.
00:01:55But they're getting up every time the Celtics go up
00:01:58double digits there.
00:01:59And they faded late in that game.
00:02:00You really saw it the moment it happened
00:02:02when they left Pritchard wide open in the corner for three
00:02:04and just gave up on that defensive play.
00:02:07And the Celtics didn't.
00:02:08Off of a make.
00:02:10Off of a make, yeah.
00:02:11How does that happen?
00:02:13The whole right side of the court was open.
00:02:15It wasn't just Pritchard.
00:02:17The whole right side of the court
00:02:18didn't have a person on it.
00:02:20It was like they're carving out a new neighborhood.
00:02:24There was nobody there.
00:02:26Yeah, especially since they had performed better defensively
00:02:30than you would have thought in the series up to this point.
00:02:33So they were competitive for two and a half quarters.
00:02:37Again, you trail after one, you give up
00:02:39that bad run in the halftime.
00:02:41But the third, Celtics, much different.
00:02:44They let Brown take control of the offense, which
00:02:47I think was smart given what he was doing compared
00:02:49to what Tatum was doing.
00:02:51He showed an appropriate level of aggression
00:02:53getting downhill, getting on transition.
00:02:56Interesting, again, and it was no surprise
00:02:57because the Celtics talked a lot about it.
00:03:00They're going to embrace the pace of this series.
00:03:02And so far, they're the most efficient, effective transition
00:03:05team, despite the pace of being known for that.
00:03:08So I think that's a feather in Joe's cap.
00:03:09Of course, you finally see them go small here,
00:03:12as we've been begging them to do.
00:03:14I know Shea Brissett gave them an excellent game
00:03:16after not playing since probably March at this point.
00:03:21So for him to come in there and do what he did was important.
00:03:23Pritchard, who was very tough on himself this morning,
00:03:26said he went back in the film and saw that he
00:03:28wasn't in rebounding position.
00:03:29He had a bad defensive game in game one.
00:03:31Really gave a lot of criticism of himself
00:03:34at shootaround this morning.
00:03:35Came out when, whether it was those offensive rebounds,
00:03:38the three you mentioned, he had one in the first half
00:03:41as well as a big one in the second half.
00:03:43Went right to the rim after that wide open three they gave him.
00:03:46And then got two offensive rebounds
00:03:48that set up a Tatum three-point play to start the fourth.
00:03:50So I thought Pritchard was excellent, too.
00:03:51Big bounce back game for the bench overall here.
00:03:54And I didn't get too hurt by Indiana's in this one,
00:03:57I thought.
00:03:58You limited Halliburton.
00:04:00Siakam was out of this world to start the game,
00:04:03and they stayed with it.
00:04:04It looked like they adjusted and put Brown and Tatum
00:04:06on a little bit more after that 12-for-14 start.
00:04:09So you saw him down more there.
00:04:11And it was off to the races from there.
00:04:14We've got a lot.
00:04:15We're going to hit JB absolutely with the all-NBA FU
00:04:20game following his snub.
00:04:21Jason Tatum, a lot to be not happy about.
00:04:26And then the Luke Cornett injury and the ripple effects
00:04:29and some small ball.
00:04:30We'll get to that.
00:04:31But here's Joe Mazzulla right now.
00:04:36Uh-oh, Joe doesn't sound good.
00:04:38We're going to remove that.
00:04:39Joe's a little muddy right now.
00:04:41We'll get to Joe in a little bit and see if we can fix that.
00:04:44Hold on, let me tell those guys.
00:04:46Yeah, that was gross.
00:04:48Ew.
00:04:48Yeah.
00:04:52OK, we'll check on that in a little bit there on Mazzulla.
00:04:55Maybe we can jump back in and listen to some of that.
00:04:57But let's get to some of these things in order of everyone's
00:05:01going to be like, talk about JB.
00:05:03Yes, Brown was ridiculously good tonight.
00:05:06So we'll lead with Brown so everyone
00:05:08doesn't freak the hell out because it's fine.
00:05:13Because it's fine.
00:05:15But he was kind of everything here.
00:05:21First half, third quarter, he really did everything
00:05:24that you needed to do.
00:05:25It's a story in the bios for him.
00:05:26Yeah, he's been incredible.
00:05:28And right now, and again, for all the people
00:05:30that don't talk about Jalen in the chat,
00:05:32no, we talk about what's interesting, OK?
00:05:35We do.
00:05:36We talk about what's interesting.
00:05:37But a lot of us, myself included,
00:05:39picked Jalen Brown as the conference MVP
00:05:42before the conference finals MVP.
00:05:44Wave the flag, John.
00:05:45Wave that flag.
00:05:47So I'm going to tell you what I'm about first.
00:05:50I want to quickly say, as we welcome you into the Garden
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00:06:10Bobby, let's start with Brown, who did everything
00:06:13that Brown does well, which is be decisive, attack,
00:06:17hit ridiculously tough shots.
00:06:19I thought his decision making was off the charts tonight.
00:06:21I don't think he forced.
00:06:23I mean, look, a lot of his shots look forced
00:06:26because he's used to taking these contested pull-ups that
00:06:28are really only he can do, and he can do well.
00:06:31But a lot of his attacks, when he went towards the basket,
00:06:34if it wasn't there, he stopped.
00:06:36There wasn't a lot of forcing from him tonight.
00:06:38Everything was just really in the flow.
00:06:40Yeah, and you saw him start to creep in that direction
00:06:43at the start of the third.
00:06:44Kind of got jammed up on the ball,
00:06:46isolating a little too much there,
00:06:48and then passes to his left to get White a three that
00:06:51led to, I think, 10 points for White in that third quarter.
00:06:54So he was able to get a dump off past the percept of the dunk.
00:06:57In that quarter, again, not a maestro facilitating
00:07:00performance by any means here with the two assists.
00:07:02But once it was clear, he was the one
00:07:05that was sort of attacking head-on every time,
00:07:07and the pace was adjusted a little bit to that.
00:07:09He was able to get a couple of good assists
00:07:11there at the start of the third that sparked their runaway
00:07:15quarter there.
00:07:15So he was big in the second.
00:07:17They go in that 17-0 run.
00:07:19Big part of that.
00:07:21We've got Brett Hampton here.
00:07:222-0!
00:07:24Hey, Brett.
00:07:25Hey, real quick, I'm going to listen for Joe here.
00:07:29No.
00:07:31How has he evolved as a player?
00:07:32What's with the mics, Joe?
00:07:35Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:07:36Yeah, tell him this is him.
00:07:38I thought it was Gary.
00:07:39Nope.
00:07:40Sorry, guys.
00:07:40We hear Gary's voice, but we don't know what he's saying.
00:07:43Yeah, it's Gary.
00:07:43Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:07:45It's the Charlie Brown teacher.
00:07:46No good.
00:07:48No good.
00:07:49Yeah, but the key here, John, they went up by 13
00:07:54a couple of different times.
00:07:55The pace was answered at every time.
00:07:57Then finally in the third, by involving White,
00:07:59by going small, they were able to pull away and extend
00:08:03that run into, again, not a 20, 30-point lead here.
00:08:07But you can't expect that against this team.
00:08:09To keep them at arm's length like they did,
00:08:11what are we talking, like 14, 15, 16 at the end of this game?
00:08:15I think the biggest lead was, let's see
00:08:17what it got up to here, 20?
00:08:2219 or 20, something like that, yeah.
00:08:25That's what you're looking for.
00:08:26Keep them at arm's length.
00:08:28Sustain your runs.
00:08:29Limit theirs.
00:08:30Because they're going to keep coming back.
00:08:34What frustrated me early in this game, John,
00:08:36and we talked about in the text chain,
00:08:38you go on that great run at the start of the second.
00:08:41You give up a 7-0 run right away.
00:08:43You build up another 13-point lead midway
00:08:46through the quarter.
00:08:47You relax to end the second and give up the 8-1 run,
00:08:50including the Siakam wide-open runway dunk
00:08:53right before the buzzer.
00:08:55So that was frustrating in the first half.
00:08:56They didn't do that in the second half.
00:08:58They just kept attacking.
00:08:59Obviously, Brown's approach is a big part of that here.
00:09:03And listen, I'm not going to give him a ton of credit
00:09:05tonight, but I do say Tatum deferring to Brown
00:09:10was important midway through the game.
00:09:12And then once the ball naturally got to him,
00:09:15he took advantage of that later.
00:09:18The whole start, actually, I'm going to try one more time.
00:09:20I'm being told by the crew here.
00:09:21His presence, his energy, his athleticism just gave us,
00:09:25you know, I think he had a dunk, got a steal,
00:09:27got us out in transition, a couple rebounds.
00:09:29So just he plays with such a high level of intensity
00:09:32and energy.
00:09:33It's big for us.
00:09:36Joe, to take care of home court and go on the road,
00:09:38a place where you've been successful this postseason
00:09:41with a 2-0 lead, what does that do for the confidence
00:09:43of the group?
00:09:46I don't know.
00:09:46I know we should, the only thing we should be thinking about
00:09:48is they were down 2-0 a series ago,
00:09:50and they brought the game 7.
00:09:51And they do a great job protecting their home court.
00:09:53They're undefeated at home.
00:09:54So it's going to take a lot more than confidence
00:09:55to get the job done.
00:09:56And we have to focus on the details and the execution
00:10:00and the mindset, the things that go into playing
00:10:01against a team like this at home.
00:10:03And I know they're going to respond.
00:10:04And so it's up to us to do the same.
00:10:07Thank you, Joe.
00:10:07Thanks.
00:10:11All right, Joe Mazzullo there.
00:10:14Yeah, I'm going to head out shortly,
00:10:16but I'm not ruling Indiana out either.
00:10:21Similar to what Joe said there, you can't.
00:10:23Like the second you think they're done,
00:10:25the second you relax and sit back and rest
00:10:28on a one run or two runs or two quarter wins,
00:10:31whatever it is, they're just going to keep attacking.
00:10:33And they're so relentless going to the paint
00:10:35that any level of relaxing defensively
00:10:38lets them right back into a game.
00:10:39So you can't do it.
00:10:41And again, Halliburton's out.
00:10:43It looks pretty murky for them,
00:10:45but they've won their minutes this season
00:10:48without Halliburton on the floor,
00:10:50namely because of adding Siakam.
00:10:52So you can't rule Indiana out.
00:10:54You can't.
00:10:56You've got to keep attacking.
00:10:57You actually have to go and close this series out.
00:11:00And they've done that in other series,
00:11:02especially going on the road.
00:11:07Did we just lose?
00:11:08Oh, there Bobby's for real, though.
00:11:10Why can't you?
00:11:11Why can't you?
00:11:12Why can't like if Halliburton's out?
00:11:16This is I mean, fine.
00:11:18Hunter's chance.
00:11:19Absolutely.
00:11:20This is this is a team that had to play above its level
00:11:23to stay competitive or hope that the Celtics kind of reverted
00:11:26back to, you know, you know, their their crappy habits
00:11:30or getting into their ISO ball or whatever it is.
00:11:33But this is a really tough one.
00:11:34And I know we we say this and we're not stupid.
00:11:37We know already, Sherrod, we saw this happen.
00:11:41The last time when they played the Pacers and Halliburton
00:11:43goes out with the original hamstring injury
00:11:46and the Celtics were up big and they pissed away a monster lead.
00:11:49So we saw it happen in one game.
00:11:52Fool me once. Right.
00:11:53I don't think that's going to happen again.
00:11:54No, no, I don't see that.
00:11:56If Halliburton is out, it's a wrap.
00:11:58It becomes a matter of when, not if the series is over.
00:12:01Exactly, exactly, exactly.
00:12:02But, you know, to Bobby's point, they're not going to just roll over
00:12:06and just play dead. That's just not who they are.
00:12:08No, they're not built that way.
00:12:09They in this game, usually when a Celtics
00:12:13win a game like this, where there's in the playoffs,
00:12:15we've seen the other team have certain things that work well
00:12:19in the feet that they could build on.
00:12:21And I didn't see that in this game.
00:12:23I didn't see. I mean, Pascal.
00:12:24I mean, he's a former all star.
00:12:26This guy's won a championship.
00:12:27So him going off is nothing unusual.
00:12:29He's done that before.
00:12:31There wasn't anything that jumped out in this game near the end
00:12:34that makes you think that, man, if Indiana could do that one thing better,
00:12:37maybe they can make this a series.
00:12:39And that's a problem for them.
00:12:41Listen, when they blew game one, they blew the series.
00:12:44They absolutely blew the series because now they are going back home
00:12:49with zero margin for error.
00:12:52And you may very well be without your best player.
00:12:55And you're playing a team that is seemingly at their best on the road.
00:13:00So when you start looking at all the different factors
00:13:03and all the different analytic points that you can look at going into game three,
00:13:07it's looking more like this thing is going to be three.
00:13:09Oh, by the end of this weekend in Celtics.
00:13:13Yeah, yeah. It's again, I.
00:13:20I don't know what people want here.
00:13:21Like, do we want to say it's not over?
00:13:23I like, as you said, it's not over, but it's it's not.
00:13:27It because it's a matter of when, not if.
00:13:30This was a massive uphill challenge here for Indy to begin with.
00:13:35So again, we'll see what happens.
00:13:37Here's the thing.
00:13:38If something's bad enough for a guy to miss the rest of the game,
00:13:41almost immediately be ruled out.
00:13:43Usually they don't come back one game later.
00:13:46And I think I said is you really don't have cushion here.
00:13:48If you can't get him back, you know.
00:13:51You know, you can't get him back by game three, you're in a lot of trouble.
00:13:56And it felt that Rick Carlisle waved the white flag
00:13:59way earlier than his teams normally do.
00:14:02I mean, you know, when all of a sudden when I see Doug McDermott out there,
00:14:05I'm thinking like, oh, my gosh, I think most people forgot he's still in the league.
00:14:10And so he's out there playing.
00:14:11You're like, damn,
00:14:14you're you're putting and you're matching him up with Jalen Brown.
00:14:17That
00:14:19Indiana is in trouble, and they came into this series,
00:14:22you know, looking, you know, in a whole world of trouble from the beginning.
00:14:25And and the thing that the Celtics did in this game that we did not see
00:14:29as much of in the first game was they played hard.
00:14:32They had that stretch where Indiana could not score.
00:14:35And when they're locking up defensively the way they were able to
00:14:39for extended stretches against a team that's as offensively powerful as Indiana.
00:14:45Indiana is in a world of trouble because you can't match that
00:14:47defensively because they're not built to defend.
00:14:50So Indiana, they're in a world of trouble.
00:14:52And if you're the Celtics, you know, the good thing about this
00:14:56is not only are you moving through this series in, you know,
00:14:59as quick a time as possible, but it gives you a longer bandwidth,
00:15:04if you will, before the NBA Finals, because that Dallas,
00:15:08you know, Minnesota series, at least six or seven games, that thing is going to go.
00:15:13And that gives you more time to have no games without Porzingis
00:15:17for him to get healthy.
00:15:17And so that's if you're the Celtics, this is working out
00:15:22about as good as you would want it to, with the lone exception
00:15:26being the play of Tatum.
00:15:28This was this was worse than game one.
00:15:31Worse than game one, because when he wasn't making shots,
00:15:34not only was he not making shots, he was getting cooked defensively.
00:15:38There was a graphic at one point where he was, I think,
00:15:41was one for seven, one for eight shooting.
00:15:43And guys that he was defending were five for seven
00:15:45when he was guarding them as a primary defender.
00:15:48If you're not making shots, that's one thing.
00:15:50All great players have stretches like that.
00:15:53But when you're getting cooked defensively by a team like this,
00:15:56where the matchups that he had were matchups that defensively speaking
00:16:00were break even or in his favor.
00:16:03This was a bad this was a bad game, even if the numbers looked otherwise.
00:16:07Hey, how many times are you going to put this comment in the tweet
00:16:10before I ban you?
00:16:11Like, Jesus, stop spamming the chat.
00:16:13I said it was seven
00:16:16before Halliburton's out, their best players out.
00:16:19They pissed away game one.
00:16:21They did this.
00:16:23The complexion of the series has changed dramatically, dramatically.
00:16:27They had hopes and through game one away, completely pissed it away.
00:16:31And now their best player got hurt.
00:16:33They're in trouble.
00:16:34They're reeling now. They're reeling.
00:16:36They really away.
00:16:38Whatever number of people have, we still have one.
00:16:40I think that really, you know, we disagreed a little bit. Right.
00:16:44And that I wasn't 100 percent, but it did feel like that kind of game
00:16:48where it's like, well, we'll never we'll never like that was it, man.
00:16:52We knew it. That was our shot.
00:16:54And we just gave it to him.
00:16:55And when you know, you've got to like, you've got to do a lot of things
00:16:59right and have things go your way when you're the Pacers and they're the Celtics.
00:17:03And you know that there's a big talent disparity there.
00:17:06And you just gave away game one.
00:17:09I don't know if it had an effect in terms of how they came out and played,
00:17:13but you kind of know, like, oh, shit, man, that we we got problems.
00:17:17And again, like I said, you compound that with the Halliburton.
00:17:20I'm not really sure.
00:17:21I'm not really sure what they can do here.
00:17:24I look, we've seen the Celtics play down to their competition.
00:17:27Sure. Absolutely. You know?
00:17:29Yeah, we have.
00:17:30But I thought this was a game where Indiana, I thought
00:17:32they had a great game plan to start the game.
00:17:35They were right there with the Celtics throughout the first lead
00:17:38for this chunk of the quarter.
00:17:40But one of the subtle things that we haven't talked about yet was
00:17:46Joe Mazzola made game two adjustments from the outset.
00:17:50I, you know, small ball.
00:17:52Yeah, it went small ball.
00:17:53And maybe that had a little bit to do with Luke in the hand or the wrist injury,
00:17:57maybe, but even before that particular adjustment,
00:18:00the way that they utilize Al Horford and took Al
00:18:06off of Miles Turner and had him on on Pascal,
00:18:10I thought was was brilliant because look at this game.
00:18:13People are going to, you know, forget that in game one,
00:18:16Miles Turner lit him up for 18 in the first half.
00:18:19Miles Turner was a non factor this entire game.
00:18:24And a lot of that has to do with the fact that Mazzola made that that subtle,
00:18:27but very important adjustment on how you defended him or specifically
00:18:30who you defended.
00:18:32They did.
00:18:33And I think like a lot of what Turner got in that first game,
00:18:36they were they would live with also, you know.
00:18:39So I think that's how it kind of went there.
00:18:41But Turner was really quiet.
00:18:43And you did see Tatum starting out on him and they changed things up a little.
00:18:47But he was really ineffective all night.
00:18:49And then when I think what kind of broke the Pacers a little bit
00:18:52is at the end of that third quarter, when the Celtics went really small
00:18:55and the Pacers went really big,
00:18:57they had Turner, Toppin and Siakam all out there in the front court.
00:19:01And the Celtics were small
00:19:02and the Celtics started to distance themselves there.
00:19:04And that was kind of that.
00:19:06So, you know, Joe made an adjustment in that regard as well,
00:19:09where he did go small ball, but he's kind of forced into it because Cornette
00:19:14Cornette went down.
00:19:15I don't know what's going to go on here with Luke
00:19:18and whether that returns.
00:19:19But like and I don't want to like be happy about an injury.
00:19:24But I am glad that they did go to that lineup for a little bit there
00:19:28with the small ball, because you can against the Pacers.
00:19:31You can even do it with Turner out there.
00:19:33You really can.
00:19:35Yeah, what I'm I'm just still surprised at is that you literally have only one guy
00:19:39who knows that locker room intimately.
00:19:41And that's O'Shea Brissett.
00:19:43And that's the one guy that now your hand is almost forced to play him.
00:19:46And I don't think it was a coincidence that O'Shea in this game
00:19:49had the best plus minus on the Celtics roster was plus 18
00:19:53in the 12 minutes that he was on the floor.
00:19:55And again, a lot of that, you know, he didn't score a ton of points,
00:19:58but he knew where to be, when to be there.
00:20:01Did a lot of really good things out there.
00:20:04And that was, you know, one of the keys of this game for them
00:20:07is just getting guys in the right place at the right time, making the right plays.
00:20:11With the exception of Tatum, who first half non-factor
00:20:15second half, man, it's pretty good.
00:20:18Pretty good.
00:20:21Is the chat ready for the Tatum conversation yet
00:20:24or are we not going to have the Tatum conversation?
00:20:26Oh, we'll have to.
00:20:29Well, do we do we want to give some more love out to some other folks besides Jalen?
00:20:33And then I mean, look, I look, two things happen.
00:20:36I think Al, Al got his rest game after his heavy minutes game.
00:20:40That actually was a good thing.
00:20:42What's what's what's what's funny with Luke going out?
00:20:44You figure Al would get smoked in terms of the amount of minutes he would play.
00:20:47And he didn't.
00:20:48He only played 25 and he had a quiet ish sort of game.
00:20:52Everyone was great.
00:20:53Another phenomenal holiday game.
00:20:56It's super efficient.
00:20:58But again, he drops 10 dimes.
00:21:00He was he was terrific.
00:21:01It's nice to see White getting it going offensively in confidence.
00:21:05He was driving the bucket.
00:21:07He was driving to the basket.
00:21:08He hit his little floaters.
00:21:10He was he was quick trigger on the three when he had the shot.
00:21:13He looked like.
00:21:16The best version of Derek White without needing to Jack
00:21:18a zillion shots there, they kind of needed all of it
00:21:21because Tatum was so freaking bad for two and a half quarters.
00:21:24Yeah, they really did.
00:21:26I mean, you were he was again,
00:21:30he was legit borderline a decoy at the beginning of that third quarter.
00:21:35And then he finally got it going a teeny bit there.
00:21:38And you can see the mental aspect of Tatum is so interesting
00:21:41as you see the defense and the offense kind of going hand in hand there.
00:21:45I mean, he was getting cooked defensively.
00:21:47Yeah. Cooked by Neb Hart.
00:21:49They were like hunting him for a period.
00:21:51His the stats they put up when he was the when he was the defender,
00:21:55the one on one defender, I still didn't die.
00:21:59I don't think it finished very well.
00:22:00It was a total opposite of last game where every single second
00:22:03he was off the court, they were horrible.
00:22:05The defensive rating with Tatum off the court was like 140.
00:22:09So like he showed out last game.
00:22:12He was horrible on defense tonight and he was sulking.
00:22:15And there was they were getting blown.
00:22:17He was he was getting blown by.
00:22:19There's a really weird game from him.
00:22:20And I think maybe he's putting too much pressure on himself.
00:22:24I'm not entirely sure what it is.
00:22:26We'll talk a little bit more about him.
00:22:27Tatum's coming to the podium.
00:22:29We also have, you know, I think holiday is going to be at the podium.
00:22:34And of course, Mr.
00:22:3540, all NBA 16th best player in the NBA, number 16, number 16.
00:22:41It's like it's like right.
00:22:42It's like winning the NIT.
00:22:44He just missed it.
00:22:46And again, legitimate beef, legitimate beef for him not getting in there.
00:22:50And I think I think I whether it motivated him or not, I bet it did.
00:22:55I'm curious if he gets asked about it, whether he talks about it there.
00:22:58But we'll get that as well.
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00:24:18Um, yeah.
00:24:19And so on we go, uh, with this.
00:24:21I, and I do, I think we have to get back to Tatum at the end of the
00:24:24date, the stat lines going to look okay.
00:24:26Nine of 20, that's okay.
00:24:29The threes, they're not the threes.
00:24:31They're not falling.
00:24:32I mean, not only are they not falling, they're not even close.
00:24:35Uh, you know, some of these are empty calorie stats that stint at the
00:24:39end of the third quarter was valuable.
00:24:41That's when he kind of energized for the first time all
00:24:43night and they needed it.
00:24:45He was a little bit more decisive there.
00:24:47He got to his spots a little bit quicker.
00:24:49Um, everything up until then was dog shit in every capacity, almost inexcusable.
00:24:54And again, he's going to slide.
00:24:57The national guys are going to go at him and everybody's going to get all
00:24:59hurt over it and be like, what do you want from the guy, a bad game?
00:25:0223 points.
00:25:03That's fine.
00:25:04The reality is you don't need them in this series right now at this point,
00:25:10what's going on with this team.
00:25:11You don't need them when Brown's going off for four, you don't need them when
00:25:13you have a big talent disparity over this team and when the other teams
00:25:16without its best player now, yeah, you can survive bad JT games.
00:25:20The question is how much longer can you survive bad JT games?
00:25:23If you go back and you look at it, not just from box score perspectives,
00:25:26because again, sometimes the counting stats aren't there, but his impact was
00:25:30more profound than what you'll look when you just kind of look at the shooting
00:25:35splits, which is a really easy and lazy way to, you know, try to determine if
00:25:39he had a good game or not, but he's been good in half the games.
00:25:45He's been your best player in maybe one, the whole playoffs, maybe that's not good
00:25:53enough.
00:25:53It's not, it's not good enough.
00:25:54You're your first team, all NBA, you're, you're, it's, it's more as needed.
00:25:59Yeah.
00:25:59More and a lot more is needed and you know, more is needed.
00:26:03Here's the thing that as I'm watching him struggle game after game after game,
00:26:08and yet still want it with really good numbers, you get a better understanding
00:26:13of why Brad Stevens and that front office were so bullish to upload up to the
00:26:17upgrade this roster and get guys who are impact players at various positions,
00:26:24because I think they understand that Tatum, whether you want to accept it or
00:26:29not, he's not quite ready to be that guy to lead you to a championship on his
00:26:38back.
00:26:38He can be your best player and win a championship, but is he the best player
00:26:42to put a team on his back throughout the course of a postseason run?
00:26:46And the answer to that is no, you're going to end up with, they built this
00:26:49roster in a way so that you've got Jalen, you've got drew, you've got Derek
00:26:53white, you're going to get for seeing his back.
00:26:55You start going down.
00:26:56You've got basically at least four and Al Horford, you've got five other guys
00:27:00who on any given night can carry you to victory.
00:27:03And there are very few teams that can say, we've got, we've got six guys, we've
00:27:07got five guys, not including our best player who can carry us on any given
00:27:12night in a significant way to win in a postseason.
00:27:15And so I think the way they built this roster, the more that you think about
00:27:19it, it's built for Tatum to have these kinds of games and still find ways to
00:27:22win.
00:27:23But to your point, John, at some point, you're going to need him to be your best
00:27:27player.
00:27:27You're going to need him to be not just your top score, but your best impact
00:27:31player.
00:27:31And so far, Jalen Brown has been their best player, best impact player is doing
00:27:38it at both ends of the floor.
00:27:39When, when, when Pascal kind of got it going a little bit, it was Jalen who
00:27:44wanted that smoke.
00:27:45Uh, and, and, and so that's, to me, that's the level of where Tatum's at now.
00:27:51And I don't know if he's ever going to get to that next level, which is to be,
00:27:54you know, put ride my bad guys as such the way Cedric Maxwell put the team when
00:28:00it's back and carried him.
00:28:01I don't know if he's ever going to be that player, but they can still win a
00:28:04championship with him as the best player because they built this roster to
00:28:07withstand games like this, where he's not your best or second, even third best
00:28:12player.
00:28:15It's frustrating as hell because you see the potential, you see the ability to be
00:28:20the most dominant force in the game and to not see it translate, uh, is, is
00:28:26disappointing.
00:28:27I mean, you know, we, we talk often about just the relationship you have with
00:28:30Kobe and that mamba mentality, but if we're keeping it a hundred, Jalen has
00:28:34more mamba mentality in the Tatum mentality.
00:28:39And I know it makes you cringe, but let, but give credit where credit is due.
00:28:45Jalen plays in the postseason, the way you want your best player from an attitude
00:28:50standpoint, the play to just get on my back.
00:28:52I'm going to score.
00:28:53I'm going to be an elite defender.
00:28:54I'm going to do whatever it is.
00:28:56Jalen said in his, in his, uh, walk-off interview with Lisa Salters, whatever it
00:29:00takes to get a W that's, and that's how he plays.
00:29:03That's exactly how he plays.
00:29:05Yeah.
00:29:05Look, you're a hundred percent, right?
00:29:08It's the term mamba mentality that kills me.
00:29:10Cause you're not supposed to give yourself nicknames.
00:29:14People give you nicknames.
00:29:15So the whole mamba thing has always bugged me, but that's fine.
00:29:18But in terms of what Kobe did and that killer instinct and whatever you want to
00:29:21call mamba mentality or what it's come to when people come to understand it.
00:29:25Yes.
00:29:25Jalen has it times 10 over Tatum.
00:29:28And that's the thing is like, this is going to be like, Oh,
00:29:32it's easy to pile on him now.
00:29:33But like, I think this is how you're going to view Tatum like for the, for his
00:29:39career is until he changes the narrative.
00:29:41He can change the narrative, but he hasn't shown the ability to do that.
00:29:45And, and I think part of the reason why is I think he's trying to be something
00:29:49maybe that isn't best suited to his overall skillset, which is like Kobe.
00:29:55And like, you're not Kobe.
00:29:57You're not even mellow in that regard.
00:29:59Like he's not the guy who just cooks.
00:30:01He's not, he's not an elite shot creator, but he's a guy who can score a lot of
00:30:06different ways because he he's big, he can get downhill, you know, but right
00:30:11now his jump shot is garbage.
00:30:13He's not getting by people on the dribble.
00:30:15When he gets to the basket, oftentimes it's getting the ball when the coverage
00:30:20hasn't come over and recognizing it and getting into the lane quickly.
00:30:24And when he does, he's big and long and fast and explosive and it's
00:30:28tough to get him going there.
00:30:29But right now, I mean, he had back-to-back possessions where he couldn't get, he
00:30:33couldn't score over McConnell and, and, and Shepard that was after he started
00:30:39getting it going in the third quarter, he's struggling to get by people.
00:30:43He's struggling to shoot over the top of people.
00:30:45Maybe it's just a slump, but the reality is, is like, I, he's not at the level of
00:30:50the best shot creators in the NBA, which is what most of the
00:30:55national pundits judge him by.
00:30:58So based off of that, some of the other things that he's legitimately elite at,
00:31:02he gets, doesn't get credit for like his defense when he plays is legitimately
00:31:08elite, he is, he has one of their, he's a better defender than Brown on, on, you
00:31:13know, that's, that's how I view it.
00:31:15I mean, he can really lock down guys when he wants to.
00:31:19He's got to be more, he's got to recognize that, like, he's got to lean into the
00:31:23playmaking a little bit more and just quick decision-making and not fall into
00:31:27these habits of like, let me just break the guy down.
00:31:30And, you know, even I said it last game after his post game and it bugged me a
00:31:33little like, um, that he was like, you know, I just got to, I just eventually,
00:31:39you know, I just got to keep taking them and eventually they'll fall.
00:31:42I don't think that needs to be his attitude.
00:31:43I think his attitude needs to be like, whatever's happening in the game, that's
00:31:47what's happening in the game.
00:31:48And that's that.
00:31:49It's not a concern that you have to find your offense, not for this team to win.
00:31:54Uh, holiday, uh, Drew, hold on.
00:31:58I love it.
00:31:59Um, uh, I'll ride for him and, uh, whatever I can do to obviously, uh, get
00:32:03that win is, is needed, but the way JB's been playing, man, is, is outstanding.
00:32:10True.
00:32:10Defensively, things seem to really shift when you went Tatum at the five O'Shea at
00:32:16the four, what did you see from that lineup?
00:32:18Yes.
00:32:19A bit of a smaller lineup, but very athletic.
00:32:22Um, I think that we're just kind of scrambling for each other and playing off
00:32:25each other.
00:32:26Yes.
00:32:27We know that they like to get into the pain and kind of make a type of plays in
00:32:30there.
00:32:30But, um, I think because we're long and athletic, we can take some of those
00:32:35things away and, and really just try to speed them up as much as possible.
00:32:39The word chaos, chaotic has been used in the past couple of days to describe them.
00:32:44Is there an element of kind of returning that chaos with that smaller lineup?
00:32:49Does that kind of negate it somehow?
00:32:51Uh, sure.
00:32:52I mean, I guess chaos with chaos, right?
00:32:54Um, I think that we, just like them, I think they do a great job of having a,
00:32:58it seems like control chaos.
00:33:00Um, the way that they play, they, they move the ball, uh, they move bodies and,
00:33:05uh, they play fast, but we can also do that.
00:33:08Um, we can go small and go big.
00:33:10We can play fast.
00:33:11We can slow down and execute.
00:33:13But, uh, I think at no show out there, it was just a different element where, I
00:33:18mean, all five guys, just if we were switching or if we're staying with our
00:33:21man,
00:33:25true.
00:33:26You and Derek combined for six assists and 14 and 22 shooting.
00:33:30Joe was talking about how you guys have been so open-minded to doing anything
00:33:32offensively that the team needs on this team as a backcourt with Derek and sort
00:33:37of like taking the pressure off of Jalen Jason, the scoring department, if you
00:33:40need to screening, uh, playmaking, like, how do you feel like you've embraced
00:33:44that?
00:33:44Do anything role in offense?
00:33:45Yeah.
00:33:45Um, utility guys, guys that, uh, will do anything to win and feel like that's
00:33:50kind of what is important.
00:33:52Um, it's not necessarily, um, getting your stats or seeing what it looks like,
00:33:57but doing whatever it takes to win.
00:33:58And Derek's done a great job this whole season.
00:34:01Um, um, of just, uh, setting up the offense, um, getting us to the things we
00:34:06need.
00:34:06I mean, he talks to me so much telling me where to go, what to do.
00:34:10So, um, as a point guard, Derek's been, Derek's been great and leading our
00:34:14team.
00:34:16Drew O'Shea was a plus 18 tonight, just over 12 minutes.
00:34:19What made his time so impactful and how rewarding is it to see players like him?
00:34:25They really haven't seen many minutes as postseason before.
00:34:28No, I'm happy to see that.
00:34:29Um, and he stays ready.
00:34:30Uh, he hasn't seen many minutes as postseason, um, probably didn't play as
00:34:35much as he wanted to during the regular season, but I just think, uh, that's a
00:34:39part of sacrifice and, and him staying ready, um, him staying ready.
00:34:43I know it's tough because, uh, you're not really getting like game reps like
00:34:46that, but the way he came out and played, and I think like the first two minutes
00:34:50had two rebounds and great stops, just really excited and glad for, uh, to see
00:34:55him do that.
00:34:56Cause I mean, for one is a confidence booster and two it's against his own team,
00:35:00his old team.
00:35:01So Drew, are you, were you surprised at all that they went to the, um, like
00:35:08third string with five minutes left and it's still like 14, 15 point game.
00:35:12And in that situation, what's kind of the key to ensuring there's no letup
00:35:16and the game isn't over on your end?
00:35:17Yeah.
00:35:18Uh, just to continue to lock in.
00:35:20Um, we know that these guys that are coming off the bench, if it's second
00:35:24or third string, um, this is their chance to make anything happen.
00:35:27Uh, and we know just the first unit of the first and second unit of Indy,
00:35:32they're going to play hard, but these guys are going to play, play even harder.
00:35:34So, um, we know on the big stage, um, anything can happen and guys can make
00:35:39plays and really just wanted to set the tone, especially toward the end of the
00:35:43game and, and, uh, or control the game toward the end of the game.
00:35:49All right.
00:35:51All right, true holiday.
00:35:52Um, so, uh, just again, we're talking about early questions in, um, to holiday
00:35:59there about the, um, about the small ball lineup and, you know, he, he
00:36:04didn't answer like in like a shit.
00:36:07Yeah.
00:36:07We've been waiting for that.
00:36:08But, you know, it does acknowledge it's more, um, you know, it's more athletic
00:36:13and they can do different things there.
00:36:17If it makes sense to like you, me and like 2000 idiots in the chat
00:36:21right now, like to do this, like if we don't know, like, what do we know?
00:36:28Like, what, what, why was Joe so difficult?
00:36:32Because I think because he said it last game is like, you know, any chance
00:36:36you might try different things and like kind of, this is adjusting, right?
00:36:39Like in the playoffs, you adjust, this happens all the time.
00:36:43Players, you coaches bring up other guys and be like, I'm
00:36:46wondering if this guy can spark us.
00:36:47I wonder if that can do it.
00:36:48And it's easier to do it when you're the obvious underdog, right.
00:36:53As opposed to when, like, if you're, you know, if you're the Celtics, you're
00:36:58just supposed to be able to roll out your guys and just win.
00:37:01Um, so it is riskier to do it when you are the team that has less of a need to,
00:37:08but like, aren't you supposed to, isn't that kind of part of the gig?
00:37:12It's a strange thing to just kind of dismiss so out of hand.
00:37:15And I know we know Joe's philosophy.
00:37:17Why doesn't he like to play these guys?
00:37:19He wants shooting and he, you know, Brissett can't shoot.
00:37:22Tillman can't shoot.
00:37:23He's a little bit worried about bringing those guys to the floor.
00:37:25And Cornette can't shoot either, you know?
00:37:27So like, so I, I'm not really sure what, what the fear is here.
00:37:34It's just a smaller athletic lineup.
00:37:36You should be able to do that.
00:37:38And you could create a lot of space.
00:37:39You create a lot of problems.
00:37:41You can put Hauser in those lineups and, and, and, and, and give him more
00:37:45opportunities to have open looks.
00:37:46So you do a lot of different things there when you don't have somebody
00:37:49who's going to bury you down low.
00:37:51Yeah, exactly.
00:37:52You can even play this lineup against Turner.
00:37:54I'm surprised he didn't try it a little bit more.
00:37:57I'm not sure.
00:37:59Yeah.
00:37:59I mean, I think for Joe, so much of this comes down to what can I
00:38:05do that's not going to crush us?
00:38:07What can I do that keeps me in my comfort zone?
00:38:10And his comfort zone is to have shooters out there.
00:38:12There's, there's no doubt about that.
00:38:13But the thing about the playoffs is sometimes, you know, you've got to become
00:38:16comfortable with being uncomfortable.
00:38:18And I don't think Joe has ever gotten to that point when it comes to lineup
00:38:22rotations and things like that.
00:38:24To me, it's, it felt like it should have been a no brainer to go small against
00:38:29this Indiana team, knowing that even when you go small, you're still physically
00:38:35superior to them and a lot of positions.
00:38:37So small ball isn't really traditional small ball where you're trying, where
00:38:41you're, you're, you know, you're, you're undersized small ball for them is,
00:38:45is simply, you're just more athletic.
00:38:47You've got more defensive versatility.
00:38:49You have what that, that term that drew users.
00:38:51I love the controlled chaos.
00:38:53Uh, that's what you get with the small ball.
00:38:55Cause percent, as you, as you know, we all know he's not going to knock down
00:38:58three, four threes, but he's can keep two or three possessions alive.
00:39:02That'll get you a couple of more shots at knocking down a three.
00:39:06So I, I, my gut tells me that they're going to go back and look at the film
00:39:11and realize, wow, the small ball line was something that kind of worked.
00:39:14We might want to unleash this at some point in game three.
00:39:18Uh, even if, even if we're in control of the game, uh, we may unleash it as just
00:39:23kind of a, just kind of a change of pace type thing to see if we can
00:39:27expand the lead that we have.
00:39:29So this is, um, it's going to be interesting to see how they approach
00:39:34game three, cause I thought Joe did a really good job of making
00:39:37adjustments from game one to two.
00:39:38It'll be interesting to see what does he do from game two to three?
00:39:43Um, yes, it, it always is interesting.
00:39:46Joe's always better after the game than in the game.
00:39:49Um, true.
00:39:52Yeah.
00:39:52Uh, I got a little something from Carla, Carla, Rick Carla, by the
00:39:56way, I'm told from the chat here.
00:39:59Who would never mislead me?
00:40:01Um, that, uh, he said that, that Stiakam and, uh, Nismith were tired.
00:40:08Um, and that's one of the reasons that they sat.
00:40:10It is very strange that Carlisle seemingly pulled the plug on this game
00:40:13while it was still competitive.
00:40:14And that's not his style.
00:40:16We've seen the Celtics blow much bigger leads, um, than that.
00:40:22If, if Rick said that those guys are tired, I believe it because the way
00:40:25that he utilized his guys, you know, in that four Rick, that's not Rick
00:40:30style to pull the plug that quick.
00:40:31So there's no question in my mind.
00:40:34If he said that those guys are tired, then there's some legitimate
00:40:36fatigue that they're dealing with.
00:40:38Uh, I don't know, but here he is talking about like going back to, um,
00:40:43going back to, uh, uh, Indiana and, you know, still feeling
00:40:48that they're in this series.
00:40:49Our series, we were down O2 and came home and we're able to, um, win game
00:40:55three and then, you know, move along and do what we wanted to do.
00:41:01Um, you know, for us right now, we've, we've got to concentrate on getting
00:41:05back as quickly as we can tonight.
00:41:08Um, and preparing ourselves for our best possible effort on Saturday night.
00:41:13And, and I know that, I know that our building will be as loud
00:41:18and live as it's ever been.
00:41:21You know, it's race weekend and, and everything else going on.
00:41:25And so we've got to, um, we got to take advantage of that.
00:41:28It doesn't guarantee anything, but it will be a better environment for
00:41:33us than, than playing here for sure.
00:41:36Here, here's the thing.
00:41:38This is the one thing that I, I mean, Rick going back.
00:41:42Yeah, we're going to be back home.
00:41:43We were down O2 and we came back and we beat the Knicks, but here's the
00:41:46difference if let's say Jalen Brown wasn't playing and let's say Derek
00:41:50White wasn't playing, uh, and let's say Porzingis was still out then.
00:41:55Yeah, I would feel a lot more confident going back home, but here's a problem.
00:42:00All of those, or two of those guys are definitely going to play.
00:42:02And the third guy may very well play.
00:42:05They played an undermanned injury riddled Knicks team that was basically
00:42:09on life support with Jalen Brunson being the one player of impact that they had.
00:42:15The Celtics, the Celtics have four guys who can drop 30 on you.
00:42:19And they, and here's the thing.
00:42:21And, and we, we, we talked about Jalen earlier, but the one that the last
00:42:23thing I'll say about Jalen is this.
00:42:25There is no one on that Indiana team that can guard him, not a soul.
00:42:29He has torch grilled, laid everyone on that squad.
00:42:33The reason we played that bite is does this look like a
00:42:39man who believes his team?
00:42:41No, he, that is about the most defeated coach speak.
00:42:47I'll ever hear after a game.
00:42:49He's talking about the damn race being in town as being part.
00:42:52That's that guy.
00:42:55And credit to Jackson, our producer, Jackson Tolliver, who pulled
00:43:00out that particular bite.
00:43:02That is the most defeated, saddest thing.
00:43:07Like, well, we won't be here, so that's good.
00:43:12And, uh, there's the race and that's always fun.
00:43:18And like, you know, oh my goodness gracious.
00:43:21And it's, yeah.
00:43:22And, and, you know, no, having known Rick from, from more than 20 years and having
00:43:26covered Rick when he was in Detroit.
00:43:28And, uh, that's that Rick that we just saw is, is a man that
00:43:35kind of knows the end is near.
00:43:37Uh, and he was a sad, he was a sad girl.
00:43:45And he knows his guys are going to fight.
00:43:46He knows they're going to fight and they're going to, they're not just
00:43:49going to bow, but he's, you know, he's looking at, you know, the weapons
00:43:53that he's got at his disposal.
00:43:54And he's looking across the seat.
00:43:55My gosh, look at all that they've got.
00:43:59It's a wrap.
00:44:00It's just a matter of when, not if, if it's going to be over.
00:44:03So, yeah, no doubt about it.
00:44:04We'll bring in Joe Sway.
00:44:05Give us a thumbs up, Joe Sway, when you're ready to go.
00:44:08Um, and, uh, we will hear more, uh, press conferences as well.
00:44:12And yes, I'm sorry.
00:44:13We might've missed a super chatter too.
00:44:14And I do, I apologize if that were the case.
00:44:17Uh, it was not my design, but, um, the chat comes fast and furious.
00:44:22And sometimes when we're doing other things, we'll get buried in there.
00:44:25So if I missed one of them, if I missed one of them, I apologize real
00:44:29quick before we bring Joe Sway on.
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00:45:55Let's bring in our man.
00:45:57Josue Pavone here from the garden.
00:45:59Looking dapper.
00:46:00He's got a mic in his hand.
00:46:07This looks like the most official Josue Pavone we've ever seen on the garden report.
00:46:11I love it.
00:46:12She took a screenshot.
00:46:15I don't know.
00:46:15I think we're good.
00:46:16Thank you though.
00:46:17Well, I appreciate you guys.
00:46:19How are you guys feeling about this game?
00:46:20Hey, I'm feeling good about Mark and Melanie joining here.
00:46:23I love that.
00:46:25Yeah.
00:46:27Oh, yeah.
00:46:33What's, what's your take.
00:46:34What's your take Josue.
00:46:35Hey, there's Jimmy Toscano jumping in.
00:46:37Hi, Jimmy.
00:46:39Incredible night for Jalen Brown.
00:46:41Just taking over the way he did, you know, dominating playoff career
00:46:45high matches at 40 points out here.
00:46:47And I love what Joe Mazzullo had to say about, about his, his growth.
00:46:51You know, he's has that mindset always wants to get better.
00:46:54Never quite, quite satisfied.
00:46:55And he was, he was honest when he said, and I was hoping Joe would
00:46:58give us the real answer and he did.
00:46:59Uh, when he said that the, the all NBA snub, yeah, that's
00:47:02something that motivates Jalen.
00:47:04That's something that he's going to, you're going to see something like this
00:47:07after, you know, less than 24 hours after that news dropped.
00:47:10And I think that, uh, everyone sort of knew that going into this one, but the way
00:47:14he's, he continued to be consistent and also finding his guys, Joe Mazzullo
00:47:18bringing up the, uh, he hopes that the NBA one day does the, uh, hockey
00:47:22assist or some sort of column.
00:47:26Potential assist.
00:47:27Yeah.
00:47:27He, he's hoping that it makes the box score one day because, uh, Jalen had
00:47:32a, a stack of them in this game, even though the box score shows he had two
00:47:35assists, so yeah, I thought it was a perfect, a perfect game for him.
00:47:40Go John, go guys.
00:47:43You know, the guys with high assist numbers also have a shit
00:47:46ton of potential assists too, right?
00:47:48The more you pass, the percentages eventually even out over time.
00:47:53And so sometimes those guys you pass to for open threes hit them.
00:47:57And sometimes they don't.
00:47:59But over a long enough timeline, the guys with the higher assist
00:48:02totals are finding more guys open.
00:48:04There's no secret here.
00:48:07It's not like you realize how unlucky you'd have to be to have this ungodly
00:48:11amount of potential assists and just people just happen to miss.
00:48:14Yeah.
00:48:14But John, it falls into the philosophy, you know, it fits Joe
00:48:17Mazzullo's philosophy, move that wall.
00:48:19Because we don't want the high assist guys have them also.
00:48:23They are.
00:48:23They do.
00:48:24They do.
00:48:25They all do.
00:48:25Everybody who passes the basketball ever to a guy who shoots is doing something
00:48:30that could result in an assist.
00:48:32And sometimes they don't go in.
00:48:34We know this.
00:48:35We got to leave this alone.
00:48:37There are some nights.
00:48:38There are some nights where the luck isn't on your side.
00:48:41You made 12 good passes to 12 open shooters and none of them hit it.
00:48:44Absolutely.
00:48:45But over a long enough timeline, it's all, it all evens out.
00:48:49It all evens out.
00:48:50Yeah.
00:48:51But you got to translate that line to Joe Mazzullo's language, which is what it
00:48:55means is, yeah, it was struggling for that.
00:48:58It's secondary.
00:48:59Well, no, I think it's, I think it's, I think it's more so of, uh, Tatum was out
00:49:03there struggling and Jayla wasn't saying to him, saying to everyone, Hey, just
00:49:06give me the ball and everyone clear the way, you know, like, like, yeah, obviously
00:49:09he wasn't in a past first type of mood.
00:49:11He was in attack mode.
00:49:12But I think what he's trying to say is, uh, Jalen picks his spots.
00:49:15He, obviously you look at his efficiency, which has always been sharp, but this
00:49:19playoff run has been, it's, it's the best we've ever seen from Jalen.
00:49:23So I just think that's his way of saying like, he could have easily been like,
00:49:25okay, time to go out and get mines.
00:49:27What Tatum got four half time.
00:49:28This is, this is my show.
00:49:30I feel a couple of years ago, maybe he does that, but he's come a long way.
00:49:33Obviously we know how he has, uh, as a player overall, but I think in the heat
00:49:37of the moment, it's easy to get caught into it.
00:49:39Right.
00:49:39Especially when you're, when you're on point where you're scoring at a high rate
00:49:44and the Indiana Pacers are just sort of like, you're not getting that sort of
00:49:47resistance.
00:49:47That's going to slow you down.
00:49:48I mean, he could have easily got 50 out here if he really wanted to.
00:49:51I know it's a Jason Tatum line, but I just think that it really rings true.
00:49:55When you, when you think about the kind of game Jalen put together, especially
00:49:58when Tatum, they didn't really have it.
00:50:00And so he kind of found his offense in that second half.
00:50:03Yeah.
00:50:03What one guy out there looked like he was absolutely the guy and it was Brown.
00:50:09Every second he was out there first quarter, second, the whole time.
00:50:14Again, you got dropped from the sky and this is the first basketball game you've
00:50:18ever watched with these teams playing.
00:50:20You'd be like, that's obviously the team's best player.
00:50:23Like Brown was that guy the whole night.
00:50:26He was the guy and it wasn't even close.
00:50:28I mean, and again, in comparison to Tatum, who was just passive and inefficient for
00:50:32the first two and a half quarters, Brown did everything.
00:50:35I mean, just the way he played, how aggressive he was, the reads that he
00:50:39made didn't force anything again.
00:50:41There's all, there's nothing.
00:50:44Look, you want a nitpick.
00:50:45Everybody laid down a little bit at the end of that second quarter and
00:50:48kind of fell asleep on defense.
00:50:50You know, and Brown had a couple of blow buys.
00:50:52Tatum had one there.
00:50:53Other than that, Brown, Brown was, I mean, it was, it was pretty close to a
00:50:58perfect game.
00:50:58He was, he was, he was terrific.
00:51:01He has been your most valuable player.
00:51:02You did give him his flowers.
00:51:03All right.
00:51:04I want to make sure.
00:51:04No, all game long.
00:51:05Are you kidding?
00:51:06He was the number one guy.
00:51:07It wasn't even close.
00:51:08It wasn't even close.
00:51:09And you know what?
00:51:10He was the best player.
00:51:11He saved their ass in game one.
00:51:13And, and, and he's pretty much single handedly won game two by, you know, being,
00:51:19you know, the man the whole time until finally everybody got it together and
00:51:25stretched it out and yeah.
00:51:26Other good performances to holiday and white for sure.
00:51:28But like, I mean, he's, he's miles in a way, your clubhouse leader for
00:51:32conference finals MVP right now.
00:51:34Uh, and it's going to be hard.
00:51:36John called, which I called the flag, wave the flag, John, go ahead.
00:51:40Wave the flag, but he's on his way.
00:51:42I mean, shit.
00:51:43The very fact that he, I tweeted this earlier, going back to game one, the
00:51:49Jalen Brown turd causing the turnover.
00:51:52And that three was like almost dismissed for how ridiculous those plays were back
00:51:58to back, uh, and how improbable they were because everybody spent the whole time
00:52:03saying that the Pacers screwed up.
00:52:05God, I can't believe the Pacers blew it.
00:52:07And I said, it was very likely.
00:52:09It was very, it was akin to, uh, the, the Patriots Seahawks Superbowl with
00:52:14the Malcolm Butler interception where all anybody at that moment spent time
00:52:18is like, why didn't they hand the ball to Lynch?
00:52:20And they were talking about that.
00:52:21And I'm sitting there watching it.
00:52:22Like guys, this was the greatest play in the history of championship sports.
00:52:27What aren't you seeing here?
00:52:28And like Brown had two of those back to back rolled into one.
00:52:32It was now there's a steal by bird.
00:52:34It was a big deal.
00:52:35And like the complexion, the complexion of the series changes a ton.
00:52:39If he doesn't make those plays and he saved JT's ass in game one,
00:52:42cause he didn't have a great game.
00:52:44He got 10 points in overtime after Nismith fouled out and his stat
00:52:48line looked beefier than Brown.
00:52:49But Brown was the, Brown was the guy in game one and he was
00:52:52undoubtedly the guy in game two.
00:52:54So he's been their best player by far, by far.
00:52:56Well, he, he saved, he saved them in that last minute because
00:52:59look at those possessions, right?
00:53:01Whether, you know, you want to critique Tatum's, uh, jumper in the paint.
00:53:06What would we call on that?
00:53:07The four foot fade away, which I felt like in that moment, why not drive to
00:53:11the rim and get something more of a secure layup and then he missed it.
00:53:14Right.
00:53:14So I think if, if Jalen doesn't make that shot, we're going to point to that,
00:53:18or we're going to point to the turnover, or we're going to point to a late game
00:53:21execution overall saying like, well, why does Tatum always have to be the guy?
00:53:24So, yeah, I mean, Jalen saved them in a big way in game one.
00:53:28Tatum obviously answered the call in that overtime, but yeah, without Jalen,
00:53:31I mean, none of that happens.
00:53:32And I feel like a lot of the time, especially from the national media
00:53:35standpoint, we spend so much time talking about, uh, what Tatum is doing, you know?
00:53:40And, and, and maybe that has a lot to say with why Jalen wasn't
00:53:44on one of these all NBA teams.
00:53:45I mean, it's kind of, it's kind of weird, isn't it?
00:53:48And when you think about his numbers and the way that something's finished the
00:53:50season and just the consistency throughout, you know, and like, listen, I
00:53:54get it, some guys in there, you know, they had a heck of a season, but in terms
00:53:57of consistency, I mean, in that third team, like there's guys who just kind
00:54:02of dropped off a bit, especially after the all-star break, you know?
00:54:05And, and yeah, I think it was a snub, but I also think that Jalen is not
00:54:10going to lose sleep over this thing, but yeah, to, to what Joe Mazzuolo said
00:54:14after this game, it certainly played a part and he responded to that snub
00:54:18in a big way tonight.
00:54:19Yeah.
00:54:20It's snub or no snub.
00:54:22I, he's the type of guy who can get motivated by this sort of stuff.
00:54:28And I hate, I hate making, I hate always doing the comparison, but I
00:54:32also love doing the comparison.
00:54:33So I'm going to do it.
00:54:34Um, I feel like Brown, yeah, Brown will motivate himself.
00:54:39Tatum would have just been sad.
00:54:41And then given a sulky postgame comment about nobody likes us.
00:54:44Like, but Brown's like, all right, mother, you know, like I'll show, okay.
00:54:48Okay.
00:54:49Okay.
00:54:52Yeah.
00:54:52Okay.
00:54:53All right.
00:54:53I got it.
00:54:53It's a nod.
00:54:54Okay.
00:54:55Okay.
00:54:56I'm going to, I'm going to put that one away and I got it.
00:55:00Everybody said at the same time, you're like on Twitter, right after he got
00:55:03snubbed, everyone's like, oh, those poor Pacers.
00:55:06And it happened, you know?
00:55:08Yeah.
00:55:09This is what JV does though.
00:55:10And this, this is, this is why him in, in, in, I think Tatum are such good
00:55:15compliments of one another because you've got Jalen who's got that, that fire,
00:55:19that edge, that nastiness and Tatum's got that ridiculous skillset.
00:55:23Um, but I, the thing that, and we talked about this a little bit earlier to me,
00:55:27that one of the most important developments in this game was Tatum's
00:55:31awareness, self-awareness that I am not him today.
00:55:36I am not the guy that's going to get it done.
00:55:38Jalen is, let me slide just a little bit to the side here and give him the space
00:55:43to just dominate because that's what he's doing.
00:55:45He is the one guy, and I said this earlier, that Indiana has no answer for.
00:55:51And I mean, like not even close.
00:55:54No one has been able to keep him from getting to the paint.
00:55:57No one has been able to close out on him when he's looking to shoot his three.
00:56:00And defensively, he's done a, I would say a better than average
00:56:03job, uh, relative to his teammates.
00:56:06So at this point, he's your best player.
00:56:09And I think Tatum's ability to recognize that in this series, Jalen is the guy
00:56:14that should be leading this team.
00:56:15Not me.
00:56:16Well, that's really important.
00:56:18Yeah.
00:56:19He's okay with that.
00:56:20Very important.
00:56:21What, what could, what do you guys think Tatum could do differently when he's,
00:56:25when he's having these types of games where, because again, the
00:56:30question is, yeah, you can have off shooting nights.
00:56:33You might not feel it, but like he felt it was, it was, he was again, who the
00:56:39hell knows we're not psychologists here, but I mean, I think a lot of people say
00:56:43like, he does look, he looks like he gets in his own head with some he's pressing.
00:56:46He's thinking about it.
00:56:47He's trying so hard to affect the game in the way that he knows how,
00:56:50and it's not really there for him.
00:56:52He doesn't want to force it, but also he's like, if I'm not assertive, I'm not
00:56:55really doing what I'm supposed to be doing and he gets stuck.
00:56:59And I do think when he shoots wide open threes, you know, when I knew
00:57:02Tatum was a little screwed, um, he had one three attempt in the first
00:57:07quarter where he caught it clean and it was an automatic catch and shoot.
00:57:12And for some reason he decided to up fake, take a dribble and kind of
00:57:17set himself and shoot it like sidestep side at the top of the key.
00:57:22And he bricked it.
00:57:23And I was like, oh, he's he's, he's feeling his way through it.
00:57:27He did not feel comfortable to just get it and shoot it in
00:57:30rhythm for whatever reason.
00:57:32And then he had another wide open one to start the third and just side rimmed it.
00:57:37Not even close top of the key.
00:57:40He stepped into it and I mean, it barely clang the right side of the rim.
00:57:44So he, when he's off like that, I think he really gets in his own head.
00:57:47Uh, what can he do different there?
00:57:50Cause you don't want him to just hide.
00:57:52There were times he looked like he was a straight decoy.
00:57:55That's what kind of bugs me a little bit.
00:57:57And this is what's somewhat concerning about Tatum is it would totally be
00:58:01fine if he had that crap shooting game or, or decided I'm not going to shoot
00:58:05because I'm not feeling it, this guy's cooking, but then you'd want to see
00:58:08the assist total, like eight, nine, 10, and him really just working towards
00:58:11getting other people involved.
00:58:13And that being his primary goal that, you know, the, what he got killed for,
00:58:17even though he ended up with 36 points in the fourth quarter, at least killed
00:58:19by the national media was a nine minute stretch in the fourth quarter.
00:58:22We had zero points in zero assists.
00:58:25That's doing nothing.
00:58:26So like, if you're not in your bag offensively, what, what can you do to
00:58:30affect the game on the offensive end?
00:58:33Because you're needed.
00:58:33You can't just not be there.
00:58:35Right.
00:58:36When he's struggling like that.
00:58:37I like to see him become more of a screener because if they're swimming
00:58:41a ball, when he's a screener, he's going to get the ball in a position
00:58:44where either he's going to have a significantly easy shot or the
00:58:48defense is going to be moving is that he can, he's going to be creating
00:58:52an opportunity for someone to have a layup or wide open through or something
00:58:55like that, they need, when he's not hitting shots, they need to utilize
00:59:00him to create shots for others.
00:59:01And that doesn't necessarily mean he's going to get assists, but what it does
00:59:04mean is he needs to be moving his ass in ways that he's not used to typically
00:59:08Tatum is moving to get to a spot where he can get the ball and go ISO or
00:59:11where he can catch and shoot.
00:59:13But rather than do that, simply move set screens to free other guys up and
00:59:17see how the defense responds.
00:59:18If they stay with him, that means someone is going to be wide open.
00:59:21And these guys have a high enough basketball IQ to recognize that.
00:59:25There are ways that he can generate offense without scoring and without
00:59:29necessarily getting assists, but he needs to have the mindset and Joe needs to
00:59:33basically make that a point that if he misses six of his first seven shots, you
00:59:37need to do something different because what you're doing is clearly not working.
00:59:40So I like when every now and then he'll have like a 90 second stretch where he's
00:59:44a screener because all of a sudden Derek white is getting wide open threes.
00:59:48Peyton Pritchard is getting wide open threes.
00:59:50You're getting freaking, you know, O'Shea percent is getting dunks off
00:59:53of Jalen Brown penetration.
00:59:55Those are the type of things that he needs to be better at winning shots.
00:59:59Well, that's because the defense is always going to follow him.
01:00:01I mean, even if he's ice cold, he's still going to attract guys, you
01:00:04know, to get the double team or help defense in certain situations.
01:00:08So I think Tatum knows that.
01:00:09Okay.
01:00:11Yeah.
01:00:11I don't have it right now, but the defense is not going to let up.
01:00:14Right.
01:00:14So I feel like a lot of the times that's when you get that type of Tatum where
01:00:17like you talked about earlier, or John did talked about how, you know, he's
01:00:20doing these outfits where he's already wide open and he's kind of just like
01:00:23trying to go into his, go into his shot as if someone's right in front of him.
01:00:26Cause he's so used to that resistance.
01:00:28I feel like that's when it's a, that's indication of the, uh, opposing
01:00:31team's defense kind of starting to get to him, but when he's able to find
01:00:35his offense anyways, throughout the course of the second half, I think
01:00:39that's the pattern we've seen throughout, you know, the season.
01:00:42Yeah.
01:00:42Sometimes it's 10, sometimes it's 12 points at halftime.
01:00:45And then all of a sudden he starts to figure it out.
01:00:47The offense starts to spread out a bit, where's the defense thin
01:00:50and then he picks his spots.
01:00:52But yes, but sometimes that matters, like, yeah, this is the, the, the, and
01:00:58this is a good point, Robin, thank you.
01:01:00Um, you know, he does seem, he seems disinterested because he's just,
01:01:04I, like we said, is he, I think he's in his own head a little bit here.
01:01:08I'm sorry.
01:01:08Like those, like, I only played well for a short stint of the game.
01:01:13Sometimes that's good enough because that's what you needed.
01:01:16Like they didn't need much of what Tatum did when he finally got it going
01:01:20versus someone else having done, it's not like he took over the game, went
01:01:24into crazy, like, all right, I'm going to put this thing away mode.
01:01:28He just was a little better.
01:01:30You really can't take 30 minutes off in a game.
01:01:33Like it's just in a conference finals game and be on almost zero at that point.
01:01:38Like, I don't care if it evens out over time.
01:01:40Like you need them consistently.
01:01:42He's on the floor all of that time when he's a negative, he was minus
01:01:46nine or something at the, at the half.
01:01:48Like he was, he was a negative.
01:01:51That's that's definitely not good enough.
01:01:52Colin.
01:01:53I know you're mad.
01:01:54I'm sorry.
01:01:54We couldn't find some of the super chats because the chat got away from it.
01:01:58Yes.
01:01:59I don't know about Porzingis.
01:02:00You got to play him sometime, right?
01:02:02At this point, you have to answer this question or ask this question, guys.
01:02:07There's definitely less of, it feels based off going up to Owen
01:02:10Halliburton, potentially missing time.
01:02:12And we'll see what happens there.
01:02:15Which is we, we did, but everyone didn't want me to because
01:02:18they're like, shut up.
01:02:19It's not over, but I don't know if it's over.
01:02:23Don't change it, John.
01:02:24Come on.
01:02:24Let's be, let's be real.
01:02:26Like it's over, but this is a reason to not rush Porzingis back.
01:02:31But to Colin's point here, you got to get them in game shape
01:02:34before game one of the finals.
01:02:35Cause the last thing you want is clunky feeling it out Porzingis in here.
01:02:39You kind of want to get the 18 minutes, 21 minutes stint where he's just
01:02:45playing six minutes at a time, three times in a game out of the way now.
01:02:50But if it ends in four, it's not going to happen.
01:02:52If it ends, you know, if it ends in five, you're not, so he'll be well-rested,
01:02:56but he's not going to be in game shape and you're going to throw him right
01:02:58back into a starting lineup in game one of the NBA finals, not having played
01:03:02a minute of basketball in a month, which is not ideal, but what I will say is
01:03:07it's better than not having Chris Tapps Porzingis.
01:03:10Yeah.
01:03:10I mean, I think you've got to find a way if, again, once he gets to medical
01:03:15clearance to get him on the floor in Indiana, this weekend, uh, game three,
01:03:18game four, it doesn't matter, but get him out there, even if it's only for
01:03:2110 minutes, uh, just to kind of get him back into the rhythm of being on a floor.
01:03:26Uh, even though obviously he's played a full season with these guys, we see,
01:03:32even now that there's miscommunications, that there are breakdowns that you
01:03:36would be surprised that guys who play together all season would have, but they
01:03:40happen and the further removed you are from being on the floor with those guys,
01:03:44the more likely those, those mistakes are going to happen.
01:03:47And you don't want to see those mistakes creep up in the NBA finals.
01:03:50So if, if they can get him out there, even if it's for 10 minutes, do
01:03:54that before you get to the finals.
01:03:56I mean, I agree with a theory, but I just, I don't know if his body is going
01:04:00to respond in that type of schedule.
01:04:03You know, like I just, again, when you don't hear this and other podcasts
01:04:08before, like when you don't hear what's up, Jimmy, give me a second when you
01:04:12don't hear, or you don't see him out there doing five on five or three on
01:04:15three, any type of like in game minutes or contact, like, I just think he's
01:04:20means he's probably still a week away.
01:04:22Um, game four, maybe, I don't know, like, obviously it would be like a minute
01:04:27restriction type of thing, but I just, I don't know, I don't think his body is
01:04:31quite there, but yeah, I mean, that would be ideal if this thing, I don't think it
01:04:35would be a sweet, but maybe a game five appearance, something like that.
01:04:39Um, it's ideal, but I don't know.
01:04:42I don't know if his body is white there, but I'm with you, Sharad.
01:04:44I mean, get him out here in the finals.
01:04:47Hypothetically, hold on.
01:04:48I gotta stop you.
01:04:49Tatum's coming to the podium and Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy Toscano has to submit.
01:04:55Jimmy, Jimmy has to submit to a, to a blood alcohol test before I let him speak.
01:05:05So while, while we administer that, we're going to hear from Tatum's that worked.
01:05:10Yeah, I think it, uh, a lot of us, um, and you know, each game presents different
01:05:15challenges or, um, you know, we, we always talk about, we just have to be open to,
01:05:21to different things and you know, whenever your number is called or whatever you're
01:05:25asked to do, um, just be ready to do it.
01:05:28I mean, we've talked about this a little bit before, obviously you're a big guy,
01:05:32but playing the five is different responsibilities, maybe a little bit of a
01:05:36different toll on your body.
01:05:37What, what is that like for you shifting into that position?
01:05:42Uh, I mean, we got defensive principles that, you know, we're just, we follow.
01:05:46Uh, and it's just about being connected, communicating and playing hard
01:05:51essentially, and then, uh, you know, going up and get, try and get a rebound.
01:05:56Jason O'Shea was a plus 18 tonight.
01:05:58What did you see from him that made him so impactful and how rewarding is it to see
01:06:01a guy that really hasn't seen many minutes as post-season take off like that?
01:06:05Oh, it was great.
01:06:06You know, just the energy that he came in with on both ends.
01:06:09Um, just find a way to impact the game.
01:06:12And like you said, we see the stay ready group guys work and show
01:06:16up for us every single day.
01:06:18Uh, so I, you know, I love when they, when they're able to get that number
01:06:22called and, uh, get an opportunity to help us win a game.
01:06:26Don't you disparage this Jason?
01:06:27Did you speak with Jalen before the game being snubbed from the all NBA teams?
01:06:32And if so, how do you think it impacted him?
01:06:35Tonight?
01:06:36Uh, no, we ain't talking about that today.
01:06:39Uh, you know, during shoot around, we was just focused on winning the game
01:06:42tonight.
01:06:43Um, you know, we all felt like internally that he should have, you
01:06:49know, made one, all NBA teams.
01:06:51Uh, so it was a shame to see that, that he didn't.
01:06:56Jason, that's our camera dude on tonight after his heroics and in game one, what
01:07:00have you seen from him throughout the course of this post-season?
01:07:03How has his game evolved?
01:07:07I think, you know, the game is just slowing down for him more and more, uh,
01:07:11finding ways to be effective, uh, still while making the right play and, uh, you
01:07:17know, just, just being himself, um, you know, when we need them to Jason, how
01:07:23pleased are you to get out of here up two games to none heading to Indy for game?
01:07:27He's, he's, he's, he's, I mean, winning is hard.
01:07:32Winning the playoffs is as tough as it never goes.
01:07:36I guess how each game is, is, is different in his own right.
01:07:43Uh, it did feel good to finally win a game too, especially at home.
01:07:47So, uh, but we understand that New York was up to, uh, far from relaxed, you know,
01:07:57you, you take the win whenever you get it.
01:08:01They've done offense with a lot of chaos.
01:08:03That's a word that's been used a lot.
01:08:04How did you feel tonight?
01:08:06You guys have kind of been able to slow down and see through the chaos.
01:08:09I mean, it's tough.
01:08:10They, they put a lot of pressure on you.
01:08:11Even the guys that come off the bench, they play with a lot of freedom, a lot of
01:08:16pace, um, they do a good job of spacing the floor.
01:08:21Uh, so you just got to connect to them, connect to bodies.
01:08:24You can't let them run around without getting touched essentially.
01:08:27Uh, cause then it makes it extremely tough to do throughout the season.
01:08:31You jump in and out of 14 and 15 coverage all the time, changing
01:08:34coverages so much throughout the season.
01:08:36Does it make it easier to adapt to how much you have to change with this team?
01:08:41Uh, I mean, short answer would be, yeah, we just practice it so much throughout
01:08:45the season that, uh, and that's why we do it throughout the regular season.
01:08:51So, you know, when it comes to playoff time, it's not a lot of confusion.
01:08:55Jason, how important is Jalen's voice?
01:08:57Obviously his play has been big, but his voice, you know, becoming more vocal.
01:09:00I know, you know, in one of the games you struggled early in the playoffs.
01:09:03He was like, Jason, you guys see him find his rhythm even more.
01:09:06Is he kind of been in your ear for a lot of this playoff run,
01:09:09motivating you and pushing you?
01:09:10Like what's, what's his voice been like for you and the team?
01:09:13Yeah, I think, uh, it's important for every guy.
01:09:16Um, in our locker room to speak up, right?
01:09:19We all respect each other and that comes from trust.
01:09:22We, we see the work that everybody puts in every single day and the growth from,
01:09:27you know, whenever your first year here was until now, um, the growth and
01:09:32development of every single guy.
01:09:34And we have that environment where, um, you know, everybody has a voice from
01:09:39the, the top guy to, you know, the last man on the bench, right?
01:09:43We all in this together.
01:09:44Um, you need to encourage somebody do so.
01:09:46If you see something that we're doing wrong, you know, it's your job to speak up.
01:09:51How does that help you when a guy like him does try to motivate you or anybody?
01:09:54Say something nice about Jalen.
01:09:56Ask him.
01:09:56Uh, it's just like having 15 brothers or so, right?
01:09:59We all
01:10:05we're trying to accomplish something special.
01:10:06So we, uh, we are all in this together.
01:10:12Well, what about JB, but what does it mean to you to make the all NBA team
01:10:16and a third straight year?
01:10:17How gratifying is that after all the work that you put in?
01:10:20Uh, I mean, especially with something I, uh, you know, I, I strive to do that.
01:10:28I expect, uh, but it's nothing I take for granted.
01:10:31Um, it's an honor to be on first team, all NBA, uh, you know, so
01:10:36many talented guys in this league.
01:10:39Uh, just gets better and better each and every year.
01:10:43So fortunate most places to make that team again.
01:10:47Um, you know, I'm thankful, thankful for everybody that has helped me along the way.
01:10:52Uh, you know, success is not something that you can achieve by yourself.
01:10:56So, uh, you know, it's a lot of people that deserve credit and
01:11:00helping me get to where I'm at.
01:11:04Okay.
01:11:10Oh my God.
01:11:12It's got to be, he's got to be trained.
01:11:13It's too late for 10 impressive.
01:11:16We probably sleep behind the computer.
01:11:20Maybe Jalen, maybe Jalen, Jason had like some kind of agreement.
01:11:24What kind of pack?
01:11:25They're like, look, we're not going to fall into this whole like narrative.
01:11:27So we're not gonna, you know, give each other crazy compliments or anything.
01:11:30Let's just keep it about the team.
01:11:33No, no.
01:11:34This is getting to the point where it's like, he's doing this on purpose, man.
01:11:37This is uncomfortable.
01:11:39Let's hear a little from Jalen.
01:11:41Here's the, uh, by the way, they could have gone together.
01:11:4540.9.
01:11:47What were you seeing out there?
01:11:48And one of the things that, um, Joe and, and Jason were talking about is your
01:11:53ability to make the right play while you're over there dropping 40.
01:11:57So what were you seeing on the floor?
01:11:59Um, just being aggressive, um, wanting to get out and transition and run.
01:12:03Um, but I wanted to attack the smaller guards, put pressure on him, um, get to
01:12:08the basket, get to the free throw line.
01:12:10Was there any, uh, motivation for you, um, after hearing that you
01:12:15didn't make an all NBA team?
01:12:19No, I want to say that.
01:12:22There was a lot of motivation.
01:12:24I would have said that.
01:12:25You got to ask an open-ended way.
01:12:27We two games from the, from the final.
01:12:29So, you know, honestly, I don't got the time to give a fuck.
01:12:33Oh, you can say that on CLNS media.
01:12:37Game one.
01:12:39NBC is off the air, but you can say that here.
01:12:42I think we fall better in this game.
01:12:46And I think that was the majority.
01:12:48I had some guys go down, but I think we fought.
01:12:52So, um, that was the most important thing.
01:12:57Jalen, uh, just how good was it to get out of here?
01:13:02Up two games to none, defend your home court.
01:13:04Now heading out there for game three.
01:13:07Yeah, it's great.
01:13:07Especially around this time of the year, taking advantage of home court.
01:13:10Um, that's what we worked all season for.
01:13:12Um, during the regular season, being able to take care of business here at home.
01:13:17Um, now let's go.
01:13:18Still one on the row or two.
01:13:22During quarter, there's a play where you get the ball with Shay under the basket.
01:13:26He gets the dunk, Indianapolis calls, Indiana calls timeout.
01:13:29And all you guys play to the crowd, but you seem to be particularly
01:13:33demonstrative at that point.
01:13:34You looked up, hands up.
01:13:37Um, what's going on right around that time?
01:13:40I mean, it's the playoffs, you know, uh, it's the best time of the year.
01:13:44Um, when we need the fans to, to bring that energy, cause we feed off.
01:13:50ESPN is right about now, you guys, um, went to some smaller lineups today,
01:13:55probably cause Luke was out, but Joe had said he wanted to try them anyway.
01:13:58What kind of dynamic do you think that brought in this game and how to help you?
01:14:02I couldn't hear you.
01:14:03So that was on the going small, a little bit smaller lineups.
01:14:06Yeah, we haven't done that too much all year.
01:14:08Um, that was a new look for us, but, um, I thought that we won those minutes.
01:14:13No, Shay came in, X came in, um, and we were able to still
01:14:17rebound and get out and run.
01:14:19So I think the key in that group is rebounding.
01:14:22Um, but that also allows us to play fast, um, to match their speed a little bit
01:14:26better and get messed up in transition.
01:14:27We just got to keep these guys in front of us, um, which is hard to do when they
01:14:31just, you know, they're getting the ball, taking the ball at the net and
01:14:33just pushing it up the floor.
01:14:35Um, but I thought those guys, O'Shea and, uh, X, uh, in their
01:14:39minutes at a great value.
01:14:41Were you, were you surprised at all that they went like third string deep
01:14:45bench with like five, six minutes left.
01:14:47It's still a 1450 point game.
01:14:48And how did you kind of maintain your guys level when that happens?
01:14:52Yeah.
01:14:53Um, it was a little surprising.
01:14:55I don't know what the, um, the reasoning behind that was, but, you know,
01:14:58we focused on winning the game.
01:14:59So, um, I think that's what our focus was, but, um, yeah, that definitely was a
01:15:06little weird.
01:15:09Jalen, you were so intentional about what you wanted to accomplish in this post
01:15:14season, the work you put in being more efficient, rejecting what you wanted to
01:15:18accomplish, seeing it happen.
01:15:19Now having games like this and the postseason in totality, what does that
01:15:24meant given how intentionally you were about what you wanted to accomplish?
01:15:27You could have said, uh, I mean, it's a blessing to step out on the floor each
01:15:31and every night.
01:15:32I don't take that for granted.
01:15:34Um, so I keep that in perspective, regardless of, you know, what's being
01:15:38said or whatever the narrative or the discourse is around me.
01:15:42I just come out and try to add value on both sides of the floor.
01:15:44And I feel like, you know, when it comes to that, there's not a lot of
01:15:48people better in this league.
01:15:49So I'll just come out and take it one game at a time.
01:15:51And right now we, uh, we've got two home games and we're looking for the next.
01:15:57Jay, you're, I mean, people have talked, discussed about Gary, some of the things
01:16:03you have not been able to do as opposed to things you can do, do you feel like
01:16:07you're overlooked, slighted underrated?
01:16:11And does that motivate you to piss you off privately when you're working out?
01:16:14Like, you know, do you, you see what's written about you, you see what's said
01:16:18about you and you, you, you keep a low profile off the floor, but what, how
01:16:23does that motivate you or push you?
01:16:26I mean, I watch guys get praised and anointed.
01:16:29I feel like it's half as talented as me on either side.
01:16:31Oh, Tyrese Halberd.
01:16:33At this point in my life, you know, it comes with being who I am and what I
01:16:37stand for and I ain't really changing that.
01:16:39Um, so I just come out and I'm grateful to step out on the floor each and every
01:16:43night and put my best before I get better every single year and whether people
01:16:47appreciate it or not, it is what it is.
01:16:49No, you're supposed to say, I don't give a.
01:16:52Mic drop.
01:16:52Gary got the goods.
01:16:54Nice.
01:16:55Done.
01:16:56Well, that question was like, yeah, I don't give a fuck about it.
01:17:00Then Gary asked it.
01:17:01He's like, yeah, I'm freaking pissed.
01:17:04These guys saw half the talent.
01:17:06Jalen sounds like somebody who definitely doesn't care about it at all.
01:17:09Well, no, the first question kind of makes it seem like, oh, is that the
01:17:12reason why you went out and did that?
01:17:14Jay was like, no, I would have done this regardless, but I didn't, you mentioned,
01:17:17you know, you're talking about other all-stars that are maybe valued or at
01:17:22least talked about as better than I am.
01:17:24And I don't agree with that.
01:17:25So yeah, Gary questioned that.
01:17:26He positioned that question perfectly in the sense of saying like, how much do you
01:17:31have to do to not get snubbed on the all NBA, at least one, the second or third
01:17:37team, probably the third team.
01:17:38If you ask me, uh, when you have the best record out there and you guys are this
01:17:40dominant, I mean, it's a snub, especially when the other person is playing in this
01:17:44series on the other side.
01:17:45And, and like, like Sharad just said in Halliburton, like that's, that's the one
01:17:49that didn't sit well with me.
01:17:50Like that for me, that's the spot.
01:17:52Yeah, man.
01:17:53After the all-star break, he was not the same guy.
01:17:55He was not his spot.
01:17:57He's not.
01:17:57That was Jaylen's spot.
01:17:59And the other one's about other people getting press clippings who are, and he's
01:18:02like, it's kind of the same thing.
01:18:04It's like, yeah, you got snubbed for these other guys.
01:18:07And then he's basically saying there's guys out there half as talented, um, as I
01:18:12am.
01:18:12So he's got, he's got it.
01:18:15Is he right?
01:18:17Yeah.
01:18:18I mean, there, there, there are guys, there are guys that get praised that aren't
01:18:21nearly as good at both ends of the floor as he is.
01:18:24There's some guys who might be, yeah.
01:18:26Yeah.
01:18:26There's some guys who are better scores and there's some guys who might be better
01:18:30defenders, but in terms of the ability to play at an elite level, both ends of the
01:18:33floor, there are, there are guys who get more props and praise than he does who
01:18:37aren't as good in the totality of his game as Jaylen.
01:18:41Here's the thing.
01:18:42Look, you can quibble with it all you want.
01:18:45It was close.
01:18:46He's 16th.
01:18:47If he was 15th, the 16th guy has a beef and so does their entire fan base.
01:18:51Like it's not insulting to say he's the 16th best player in the NBA, but if Jaylen
01:18:58Brown is the 16th best player and Tatum is the fifth, that's ridiculous.
01:19:02It's not bad.
01:19:04Like, so it's not insulting for him to be in that spot.
01:19:08Um, but it's frustrating for him because he's coming off his best all around
01:19:12season, his best, like most well-rounded season where he's played in control.
01:19:18He sacrificed some stats because there was more talent on the team.
01:19:22And he's like, so shit last year, I make it scoring 27 points a game, which some of
01:19:27it was empty calories because of, you know, I had to score cause we didn't have as
01:19:31much help.
01:19:32And now that we do, I, you know, I, I, I get paid a little bit more.
01:19:36Don't forget.
01:19:37So, so I get why he says it, but, um, you know, I'm going to bring Bobby in here
01:19:41too in a little bit, but we're going to talk about it.
01:19:43Um, a little bit, uh, that Tatum that's two days in a row.
01:19:48Tatum's gone out of his frigging way, uh, to do that, uh, regarding, uh, Brown.
01:19:54And that's weird shit to me.
01:19:56Like, I'm sorry.
01:19:57At is, uh, people here will want to say it's not a thing.
01:20:01That's a weird thing.
01:20:03Basically how awesome was Jaylen Brown tonight was the night where Tatum would
01:20:07say he was, but the question was, does he like, does his voice, does he lead you?
01:20:12Can you follow his lead?
01:20:14And he wouldn't, he wouldn't do it.
01:20:15He wouldn't give it to him.
01:20:17He just wouldn't.
01:20:18He could have at least said he could have, he could have batted away the
01:20:22leadership question or how following his lead and just said, JB was awesome tonight.
01:20:26He was clearly our best player.
01:20:28We don't win this game without him.
01:20:30And you're done.
01:20:31That's it really easy, really easy out.
01:20:34Look at these guys, look at, look at these guys.
01:20:38Get out of my shot.
01:20:39Just way.
01:20:39Get out of my shot.
01:20:42I thought he was bringing him in.
01:20:42Oh, I want you guys to see what's happening here.
01:20:45Outfits.
01:20:46Look at this.
01:20:48Right.
01:20:49Exactly.
01:20:49Thanks.
01:20:50God.
01:20:50I mean, thanks for watching Romeo and bullet had cleaned up.
01:20:54You can't steal Gary.
01:20:56The same thing.
01:20:57Not a good look.
01:20:58This is, this is suits the garden report edition.
01:21:01Okay.
01:21:02That's what we've got.
01:21:03That's Gary's come on.
01:21:04Are you starting to make sure this doesn't happen again?
01:21:07You guys look sharp.
01:21:08You guys gotta be the best looking, uh, twins at the game.
01:21:16I don't know.
01:21:17It's wrong.
01:21:17Romeo and bullet.
01:21:18I weren't that great looking, but I appreciate you.
01:21:24Shout out to people who remember the Steve Harvey show.
01:21:27Yeah.
01:21:28To look that one up.
01:21:29It's what do you make about the jail?
01:21:31I mean, you, you, as you were in that room, you asked him the question about,
01:21:34uh, you know, the Tatum comment to your question, Bobby.
01:21:38Yeah.
01:21:38Yeah.
01:21:39What do you, what did you make of it?
01:21:40Cause we, we had, we had a lot to Brown, uh, to, to Brown Tatum.
01:21:44Oh, no, excuse me.
01:21:45It's the Tatum.
01:21:45Sorry to Tatum about Brown.
01:21:47Yeah.
01:21:47And how he wouldn't answer either.
01:21:50And he wouldn't answer your follow up.
01:21:52He said, all 15 guys in here have a voice.
01:21:55Yeah.
01:21:55Yeah.
01:21:55Cause we've seen him mic'd up and we've seen him going, come on.
01:21:58You're a big douche.
01:21:59You're a big douche.
01:22:00Like, and we've seen those moments where like, he's just trying to, he's just
01:22:04trying to do, he's just trying to get Tatum going.
01:22:07Like, you know, he found a rhythm tonight.
01:22:10We need him to find an even better rhythm, you know, going forward.
01:22:12We've seen those different moments here throughout the playoffs.
01:22:14And, you know, tonight I'm sure to trying to get in his ear, get him going at all
01:22:19two for eight, the start there, four points in the first half Brown feels like
01:22:25one of the main motivators who's really trying to get him going.
01:22:28And it was, it was weird.
01:22:32Like we just keep saying it.
01:22:33It's weird.
01:22:33Joe Sway.
01:22:34You don't think they had some kind of discussion being like, we're
01:22:36going to kill this narrative out.
01:22:37I'm trying to, I'm trying to give them out here, but like, like, Hey, we're
01:22:39not gonna, we're not going to give into this whole like Tatum and Brown narrative.
01:22:43We're just going to say, this is about the team, team, team, team.
01:22:46I mean, that makes sense.
01:22:47I don't know.
01:22:47I'm maybe, you know what you believe in?
01:22:51Would you respond that way?
01:22:52Then whenever you're asked a question about Drew, whenever you're asked a
01:22:55question about Derek, whenever you're asked a question by anyone, if that's
01:22:58the narrative, so no, Joe Sway, you're, you're, you're out as rejected.
01:23:04I was trying to give him out.
01:23:05I didn't believe I didn't subscribe to that narrative.
01:23:07I was just trying to help him out at it.
01:23:09It's weird, man.
01:23:10It's a little weird because the way I see it is, oh, well, everyone helps me out.
01:23:15Well, everyone was like, do you know how many, uh, all-stars out there or guys
01:23:19who were fringe also, whatever you want to call them, like that would kill, kill
01:23:22for a teammate, like Jalen Brown.
01:23:24And a lot of times Tatum's just like, yeah, we know everyone steps up.
01:23:28It's great.
01:23:28Everyone's just like, no, what Jalen's doing right now is insane, Tatum.
01:23:32And when a guy like that has his moment, you prop him up.
01:23:36Right.
01:23:37And you don't have to say everybody's doing their job.
01:23:39If it was Al Horford, do you think anyone would have been like,
01:23:41well, it's all 15 of us.
01:23:43Yeah.
01:23:43It's everybody else.
01:23:44Al's a little beaten to do shit.
01:23:46Like it wouldn't happen that way.
01:23:48If it was Derek White, it would be all about how, you know, Derek White is, you
01:23:52know, increased his role and become this star player in the league and blah, blah,
01:23:56blah.
01:23:57And it was everybody.
01:24:01Right.
01:24:01And let's be real.
01:24:02If he doesn't hit that shot, I've made tons of shots in this building and you
01:24:05know, it's great.
01:24:06It's like, wait, wait a minute.
01:24:07We're talking about Jalen right now.
01:24:08And if, and if he doesn't hit that shot at the end of game one, if he doesn't
01:24:12talking about, but yeah, John, sorry.
01:24:13If he doesn't score 40 tonight, are you down?
01:24:16No two in the series because of the way you've played in large part.
01:24:21Yeah.
01:24:21I don't know.
01:24:22It's weird.
01:24:22We talked about it.
01:24:25Split.
01:24:25Yeah.
01:24:25I was going to say, if anything, worst case scenario, you're going to
01:24:28Indy, this thing is one, one.
01:24:29It's like a meatball, right?
01:24:31You just toss it to him, hit it out of the park with praise for Jalen.
01:24:34And I don't know.
01:24:35I don't get it.
01:24:37So again, it's so involved in the sense that like, this is where
01:24:41people get screwed up here.
01:24:42It's like, it doesn't matter.
01:24:44There's the one they're going to win.
01:24:45Of course it might not matter at all.
01:24:47It's just a little odd because there's no reason to not do it.
01:24:51And you create, you accidentally create an issue, you create weird narratives
01:24:57and conversations by not trying really hard to not like you have to, you don't
01:25:01have to try hard at all to not create the narrative.
01:25:04All you have to say is Bobby said with this softball is yeah.
01:25:08Jalen was awesome.
01:25:10Jesus.
01:25:11I mean, it's so easy.
01:25:13Everybody was awesome.
01:25:14John.
01:25:16Everybody.
01:25:17Everyone has a role.
01:25:19Everyone was all hands on deck.
01:25:20Yeah, exactly.
01:25:21You know, he's got it.
01:25:22Awesome.
01:25:22Bobby can't have been pressing right there.
01:25:25Yeah.
01:25:25Yeah.
01:25:26You really want to get into it?
01:25:28No, no, I don't.
01:25:29I'm sorry.
01:25:30I can't help it.
01:25:32Just that alone.
01:25:33Everyone knows what you're talking about.
01:25:34So we're good.
01:25:35I mean, I said what I had to say after game one, it's not his series.
01:25:38So they finally went to the guy whose series it is, which is O'Shea.
01:25:42And I was thrilled to see it.
01:25:43I wanted them to do that.
01:25:44So there's that.
01:25:46I love Ben Vallis and we love the show that's coming on next.
01:25:49First to the floor.
01:25:50But I'm sorry.
01:25:50I have to disagree.
01:25:51It does not seem at all normal to be asked a question about a single person
01:25:56and to not answer the question about that single person.
01:26:00It is not a normal thing.
01:26:01It is not.
01:26:02It's very easy.
01:26:03How good was Jalen Brown?
01:26:05He was very good.
01:26:06How good was Jalen Brown?
01:26:07Everyone was good.
01:26:09It's that's it's you're actually it's not answering it.
01:26:13It's not, it's not.
01:26:15How about the leadership in his voice?
01:26:16Everyone's got a voice.
01:26:18Really?
01:26:18Really?
01:26:19Oh, she does.
01:26:21Oh, she has a voice.
01:26:22Oh, she's got the same voice.
01:26:24It's right.
01:26:24And John, let's let's also let's also remind everyone as if they don't know.
01:26:29But let's do it anyways.
01:26:31He's been his teammate, his entire NBA career.
01:26:34Like, just put that into perspective.
01:26:36Like, I don't know, man.
01:26:37It's a little weird, man.
01:26:39He's the veteran only by a year.
01:26:43It's the kind of answer you give when you're talking about, like, the opponent.
01:26:46You don't want to give the opponent too much credit.
01:26:48So you're like, oh, you know, like they're pretty strong from top to bottom.
01:26:51You know what I mean?
01:26:51Like I, and this is, and I will absolutely ask this question.
01:26:58Yes, I absolutely will.
01:27:00You know why?
01:27:00Because it's so, when you like a person, John, what do you think of Jimmy?
01:27:04I love Jimmy frigging funny dude.
01:27:07Great guy.
01:27:07Brings a lot of energy.
01:27:08Person.
01:27:09No, John, everybody on the show is like, no.
01:27:12What do you think of Jimmy?
01:27:13You know, I, I like a lot of people that would mean I don't like Jimmy.
01:27:18You know, people in general are great.
01:27:19Just people, people.
01:27:21I like people.
01:27:22They're all great.
01:27:23Jimmy's a person.
01:27:25Yeah, this is not hard guys.
01:27:27It's not hard.
01:27:29Yeah, it's not hard.
01:27:31Yeah.
01:27:31Anyway, basketball time, Bobby, jump, jumping back in onto the
01:27:34basketball side of things.
01:27:36Any developing opinions as you were in talking to these guys or other thoughts
01:27:39about the series in general, as it goes forth, we talked about
01:27:42small ball being forced into it.
01:27:44I'm not going to do the old cornet thing, but did you like the small
01:27:48ball lineups that they were forced to play in his absence?
01:27:52Absolutely.
01:27:53They went plus 11 in the first stand and it wasn't that long of a stand.
01:27:56They were only out there for a couple of minutes before they put
01:27:58Horford in the first half.
01:28:00And I, you know, saw Dick light put out that it was the biggest plus minus
01:28:03in the playoffs for the Celtics.
01:28:05Uh, for a guy who played that few minutes, I think he was like a plus
01:28:0913, right.
01:28:09Or plus 18, something like that.
01:28:11So he made an impact out there in those minutes and they needed it.
01:28:17They needed the switch ability.
01:28:18They needed to be able to cut off, uh, Indiana speed on the perimeter.
01:28:22You saw it over and over again in game one, whenever they put a big in an
01:28:25action, they were just flying by those guys.
01:28:28And it's great to say that you want to trade off twos for threes, but at the
01:28:33end of the day, you can't have a team with this piece of shoe, like 70% again
01:28:37in the first and then, you know, they're slowly waning that down as the game went
01:28:42on and it happened when the Celtics played smaller and you can do it in this
01:28:46series.
01:28:46It doesn't matter to see outcomes out there.
01:28:48Doesn't matter.
01:28:48The Turner's out there.
01:28:50I know Joe was saying that the substitutions are what scares him away
01:28:54from that little bin.
01:28:55You saw it in the first half when they sent out Siakam and Toppin and Turner and
01:28:59went triple big, Joe pulled Brissette right off the floor and put Horford right
01:29:03back in.
01:29:04Just play to your strengths.
01:29:05Yeah, well, I like the fact that he was saying how right after the game, this was
01:29:09sort of something that was planned at some point down the road, maybe not tonight,
01:29:13but they were kind of forced between, you know, Luke Cornet getting hurt and just
01:29:17having to mix things up.
01:29:18So I like that he had that in the back of his mind because we've talked about it
01:29:21before going into the series.
01:29:22Like I can really help these or at least try to stop the bleeding, so to speak,
01:29:26when the pacers are going downhill, we got the second unit in there and someone
01:29:29like Brissette or I was a big guy.
01:29:33I was a big fan of the Xavier Tillman, but this is even, this is even better in a
01:29:36sense of, of helping these guys during a transition defense and just making sure
01:29:41that, you know, someone like that is ready for when his name is called.
01:29:44And I thought he showed it.
01:29:45He showed that he was, he was ready for sure.
01:29:49Jimmy, how much of the game did you watch?
01:29:52Um, just barely, barely, I wasn't, I wasn't able to catch a lot of the game
01:29:58tonight, but I did watch a lot of the show before I jumped on.
01:30:02So I feel like I've seen the whole game.
01:30:04So that's, that's what you guys do for us, for us guys who can't catch the game.
01:30:08We just watched the bonus game show.
01:30:11I kept up with his dad.
01:30:12I know that Tatum had a really slow start to this game and then kind of padded some
01:30:17stats there in that fourth quarter.
01:30:19So kind of annoying to see him not really come out firing in this game, but, and
01:30:25Jalen Brown, we've talked, you know, obviously heard you guys talk about him
01:30:28plenty, uh, second game in a row where he's, where he showed up, where he was
01:30:32needed, he's really been showing up all the playoffs.
01:30:34He's basically been there.
01:30:36Um, MVP of the playoffs so far, I think most consistent, certainly
01:30:40tonight, dropping the 40.
01:30:42I know he says it doesn't bother him, but it does bother him that he didn't make all
01:30:46NBA teams.
01:30:46And that, that definitely was part of, I think coming out tonight and just playing
01:30:50with the chip on her shoulder.
01:30:52And by the way, I love that.
01:30:54I wish that guys would play with chips on their shoulder more often.
01:30:57I feel like Tatum doesn't play with the chip on his shoulder.
01:30:59That's the problem that I think a lot of people have.
01:31:01Shoulder chips.
01:31:02We need more shoulder chips missing that FU mentality.
01:31:07Jalen Brown literally says FU out there tonight on the, on the podium.
01:31:11I think a lot of people want to see that from, from a Tatum.
01:31:14I would, they want to see like the middle fingers to the world and just try to hold
01:31:18it back.
01:31:18He tried to hold it back at the last question.
01:31:20He finally let it slip out with the half as talented as me get praised.
01:31:28And listen, I think he was snubbed.
01:31:29He showed discipline on the first one and said, I don't give a fuck about it.
01:31:33And then at the end he said, I don't give a fuck about it.
01:31:35Yeah.
01:31:36Like, and that's fine.
01:31:37We like that.
01:31:39Right.
01:31:39Like, yeah.
01:31:40And you know, you have a couple guys there.
01:31:43It came down to Halliburton, Booker and Brown, right.
01:31:46In the voting at least.
01:31:47And you look at Halliburton, engine of that Pacers team, certainly in a great
01:31:51passer, great all over route, all offensive player, same with Booker.
01:31:57But you don't give Brown enough credit for the defense and the way he's had to
01:32:02fit into a bigger team by just going off the points and the assists, which is
01:32:06basically what they did with Booker there and Halliburton.
01:32:08Like, yeah, you can look at Brown's 23 and say, all right, that's worse
01:32:12than Booker, worse than Halliburton.
01:32:15But plenty of people voted for Brown and that's for a reason.
01:32:18It's defense, it's fitting into a elite team and just overall the
01:32:24secondary role he has next to Tatum.
01:32:26Sometimes primary role on this team when Tatum doesn't have it.
01:32:28Like you saw tonight.
01:32:29Well, it's the team.
01:32:30It's not just that, I mean, an elite team, but it's the best team in the NBA.
01:32:34It's being consistent.
01:32:35It's no drop-offs after the all-star break.
01:32:38You know, like there was a stretch where people were like, wait, what's
01:32:40going on with Halliburton, you know?
01:32:42Like what, did he lose it?
01:32:43And then, yeah, he's picked it up in a big way throughout the postseason, but
01:32:46that's not what these awards are about.
01:32:48It's about the regular season.
01:32:48So yeah, I think when you think about it in that way, it's sort of like, well,
01:32:53wait a minute, how does Jalen get stumped here?
01:32:55I would've left, I would've talked about just between Halliburton and Jalen.
01:32:59It's like, hmm, like how did, how did he get the, you know what I mean?
01:33:02I would have the bit of the dough.
01:33:03I would've left Booker off and put Brown in with Halliburton.
01:33:11What happened to Halliburton?
01:33:12I think Halliburton is the one left out if you ask me.
01:33:14You can't, I would've, I would've left Halliburton off because he, he, he missed
01:33:18time and was, was, was progressively worse.
01:33:22He wasn't even his second half.
01:33:24He had that stretch after Christmas, but then after the also break, sorry, but yeah.
01:33:27His second half after the injury, he wasn't 10th team all NBA.
01:33:30That's what I mean is the drop in his play is so profound that to me, I'm
01:33:35surprised Booker was 15th in the voting and the one he was chasing Booker again.
01:33:39I know Phoenix sucked, but I mean, he, he got, he, he got what Jace, he had
01:33:44what, what Brown got to get him second team all last year, 27 points a game to
01:33:49go along with, you know, is, you know, seven and five.
01:33:52Like, I mean, I'm sorry.
01:33:54The numbers are there.
01:33:55I mean, he's, he's a bucket machine.
01:33:57He Booker's awesome.
01:33:59It's just Phoenix sucked, but nothing against Booker.
01:34:03He was amazing.
01:34:03He's amazing.
01:34:04He's amazing.
01:34:05Um, I, the Halliburton,
01:34:07Phoenix sucked, he had two guys.
01:34:09I mean, but that's, that's not how it works.
01:34:12Especially when like it's,
01:34:12one of them does not play as well.
01:34:14What happened?
01:34:16That's not how it works.
01:34:17You're not always penalized just cause you don't have better players on your team.
01:34:21You get acknowledged for being a great player whose stats are sacrificed
01:34:26because your team is good, but you don't get penalized for being awesome.
01:34:30And your team being a seven seat or a 60, like they're awesome.
01:34:33Say they were two superstars, you know, like there's nothing you can do about it.
01:34:38Durant and Durant and Booker were awesome.
01:34:40I don't begrudge the Booker.
01:34:42The Halliburton makes less sense.
01:34:44And the, uh, and, and, and, and honestly, if you're going to nitpick, I'd go Sabonis
01:34:48rather than, uh, rather than Booker.
01:34:50I know, I know, I know.
01:34:52Sabonis, Sabonis is unreal.
01:34:53You just don't watch him enough.
01:34:55So if Brown gets in there, I would've, I would've put him in over Halliburton.
01:34:58I would've put him in over Halliburton for sure.
01:35:00He had a, he had a Yoko Chess season for sure.
01:35:03So I wouldn't have left him out, but you could go Booker or Halliburton.
01:35:07You should have been also.
01:35:07Yeah.
01:35:08Yeah.
01:35:09Um, we're gonna, we're gonna play this one more time.
01:35:11Cause people, people were asking to hear the questions and so
01:35:14we'll, we'll play the questions out.
01:35:16We'll reassess this, um, on the, this is Jason Tatum and Bobby's questions.
01:35:23We're going to break it down.
01:35:24Here we go.
01:35:26I'm big, but his voice, you know, becoming more vocal.
01:35:29I know, you know, in one of the games you struggled early in the playoffs.
01:35:32He was like, Jason found his rhythm.
01:35:33We got to see him find his rhythm even more.
01:35:35Is he kind of been in your ear for a lot of this playoff run,
01:35:38motivating you and pushing you?
01:35:39Like what's, what's his voice been like for you and the team?
01:35:42Yeah.
01:35:42I think, uh, it's important for every guy, um, in our locker room to, to speak up.
01:35:47Right.
01:35:48We all respect each other.
01:35:49Uh, and that comes from trust.
01:35:51We, we see the work that everybody puts in every single day and the growth from,
01:35:56you know, whenever your first year here was until now, um, the growth and
01:36:01development of every single guy.
01:36:03And we have that environment where, um, you know, everybody has a voice from the,
01:36:08the top guy to, you know, the last man on the bench, right.
01:36:11We all in this together.
01:36:13Um, you need to encourage somebody to do so.
01:36:15If you see something that we're doing wrong,
01:36:20how does that help you when a guy like him does?
01:36:24Oh, I didn't do that.
01:36:25It just, it just clicked off.
01:36:26We lost it.
01:36:28The followup, the followup.
01:36:30It was just basically, no, but not compliment compliment.
01:36:33Talk about Jalen though, specifically how good he is.
01:36:37And it was like, well, it's everybody specifically.
01:36:39Jalen, he said, we have all 15 guys.
01:36:43No.
01:36:43And it might've been, cause I mentioned the voice, like it
01:36:46wasn't about his performance.
01:36:48It was about his voice.
01:36:48So like Joe Swayze said earlier, that might be a concept of
01:36:52everybody having an equal voice there.
01:36:54But again, you're asking about one specific guy.
01:36:57So I don't get the soliloquy about everybody on the back of
01:37:00the bench who was speaking up.
01:37:03Yeah, it was just as weird on the second listen again.
01:37:06Is it going to derail the season?
01:37:08No, but it's weird.
01:37:10And again, it got cut off there, but, but following up, it's like, all right.
01:37:14What does he do for you?
01:37:15Like what's his specific impact on you?
01:37:18Let's get the followup.
01:37:19Let's get it.
01:37:20We got to get the followup.
01:37:21It's all right.
01:37:22It's all right.
01:37:23The chat, the chat doesn't want us to rock the boat.
01:37:25You guys are going to get, Brown is going to leave town.
01:37:29If you guys keep doing this.
01:37:30Okay.
01:37:31That's what I was told.
01:37:32You guys are going to make Jalen leave.
01:37:35If he leaves, it's your fault.
01:37:37Is this exact conversation?
01:37:41You guys, it's, you guys are going to drive them out of town.
01:37:45These were to turn this car around.
01:37:47I, that'll show you whatever.
01:37:50Anyway.
01:37:50Um, any, any, uh, I mean, uh, Bobby, I know you weren't in on the pacer stuff,
01:37:56but the Halliburton thing, we talked about it a little bit.
01:37:58Look, we saw a game already this year where, um, Halliburton went out.
01:38:03That was the original hamstring injury.
01:38:05It looked like he tore everything in his lower half.
01:38:08I mean, that was, I, you know, um, but anyway, that was that.
01:38:13Um, and then they, they, they absolutely coasted played down well
01:38:19below their level of competition.
01:38:20Let the pacers come back and win that game.
01:38:22And what was one of the more annoying losses of the season?
01:38:25Um, I'll be at a meaningless one, but annoying as hell.
01:38:28I mean, if Halliburton's out here, do you see any chance Indiana wins
01:38:33or the Celtics let down and kind of let them, let them steal one
01:38:36or make this a series out there?
01:38:40I mean, they have a good system to do it, but the Celtics
01:38:42haven't let down with Mitchell.
01:38:44Uh, they didn't let down other than the shooting night in the
01:38:46Miami series with Butler.
01:38:48And they certainly didn't let down once Hawkins went on top
01:38:50of all the other guys who were out.
01:38:51So they haven't done it this post season when the other team stars been out.
01:38:55Uh, you definitely need to be alert against this team.
01:38:57Cause again, you rest and they're going off.
01:39:00Uh, they have a positive plus minus with Halliburton off the court this year.
01:39:03Again, thanks in large part to what's the outcome is doing right now.
01:39:06And he's on fire.
01:39:06Goes going off.
01:39:08You still got to be fearful.
01:39:09I wouldn't be picking the pacers to win a game where he's out, but I'd still
01:39:14expect it to be close throughout.
01:39:16Like this game was, I don't think there's going to be any runaway
01:39:19games for the Celtics here.
01:39:20Pacers are just going to keep moving, keep chasing, keep producing.
01:39:23I know Andrew Nembhard got banged up tonight too, but if he's healthy and
01:39:28he's ready to fill in for Halliburton, I still feel pretty good about
01:39:30them competing, but if you can't win with Halliburton, you're probably
01:39:34not going to win without them.
01:39:34Yeah.
01:39:35Especially with no, uh, bathroom.
01:39:36I know people have heard that name in a long time, but like, that's the
01:39:39kind of offensive weapon I feel like would really help this team if they
01:39:43had to go out there without Halliburton.
01:39:45Wait, without, without both of those guys, I can't believe this is happening.
01:39:48I can't see it happening for the faces.
01:39:50I know, I know the Boston basketball gods bless this team, or I don't know
01:39:54how people want to look at it, but one way or another, like not having to
01:39:58the opposing teams is best player.
01:40:01Best player.
01:40:01But you know what this is going to do for the narrative, right?
01:40:03You want to word it.
01:40:04Here we are again.
01:40:06You know what this does for the narrative again?
01:40:08It's like, we're going to have a lot of angry, angry, disrespected Celtics
01:40:13fans, because tomorrow when Halliburton is ruled out for game three, it'd be
01:40:17like, there they go again, the frigging saddest, easiest trip to the finals
01:40:22ever, and everyone's going to get mad as if it's not true, but it is true.
01:40:26If you lost your best player in, if the other, if the best player on the T on
01:40:32the other team in three consecutive series went out and then the best
01:40:36player, the best player on the other best team, uh, you know, uh, in the
01:40:41East, potentially Milwaukee was out.
01:40:44And like the Knicks had like one player left.
01:40:47Like, I don't know what you, it just, it's a weird playoffs right now.
01:40:52And the Celtics should thank their stars with the help they've had all year.
01:40:56And they take it.
01:40:57Who gives a crap how you get there?
01:40:59You just want to get there.
01:41:01Mute.
01:41:01Whoever you see tweeting that, if it's bothering you, because you'll
01:41:04take it over, ignore it.
01:41:07But don't, and you know what, you know, the best argument I've heard
01:41:09about John and we lost you.
01:41:13John got so fired up and rage.
01:41:15So hard.
01:41:16Do you, this computer was like, Whoa, what were you going to say?
01:41:21I was going to turn this guy down.
01:41:22If, if, if that makes you angry, I think the best argument is the
01:41:27Celtics have been hurt in this spot.
01:41:29They've had key guys out in this spot.
01:41:31Previously Brown in 2021, Rob goes down in 2022 last year.
01:41:36It's Grant Robin Tatum in a game seven.
01:41:39So, you know what?
01:41:39You've been on the other side of it before, so it's your
01:41:41turn to benefit from it.
01:41:43Yeah.
01:41:43You still got to go out and play the game.
01:41:45You still have to go out and play the game.
01:41:47I mean, at the end of the day, no matter what benefits you may have with other
01:41:51teams, key players being out, you still got to go out there and
01:41:54play your ass off and win the game.
01:41:56Um, yeah, I mean, and the Celtics have done that.
01:42:00They've, they've made the most of every opportunity and
01:42:02advantage that they've had.
01:42:04So good for them.
01:42:06I'm the captain now.
01:42:08Funny how the tables have turned.
01:42:09No boys, just like that.
01:42:11Just when you thought hard, let me ask the twins.
01:42:17This is Tatum.
01:42:19I mean, sorry, is Brown getting to the point now where you rely, you rely on
01:42:23him more than you rely on Tatum?
01:42:26No, because he's still going to get that, that same attention from the defense.
01:42:29You know, I just think, uh, if you want to say he's capitalizing off of that,
01:42:33okay, a little bit of that going on as well.
01:42:35But I also think it's just a matter of, uh, every game is going
01:42:38to present different challenges.
01:42:39Not to sound all jobazula on you, but you know, I just think that's how you
01:42:42have to look at it, especially when the other team is losing a big guy like
01:42:46Halliburton, I mean, it's not official, but I'd be really surprised if he's
01:42:49able to play the next 24 hours, which is when game four is, or at least around
01:42:52that time, I'd be really surprised again, because that's the same injury.
01:42:56Uh, he, that's the same, same injury that had him out, uh, all those games
01:43:01towards the end of the regular season or in the second half, Bobby John's back.
01:43:06John is back.
01:43:07Yeah.
01:43:07We'll see what happens with the injury there.
01:43:09I think it's like you said, you feel out a game and that is the one thing
01:43:12I'll give Tatum credit for it.
01:43:13And as he felt that the game where Brown was at and deferred to him, especially
01:43:17through the middle portion of that game, after all that great starts.
01:43:22Yeah.
01:43:22I think so.
01:43:24Yeah.
01:43:24He hit him for that corner.
01:43:25Everyone ignored Tatum.
01:43:27Yeah.
01:43:29Yeah.
01:43:29He had him for that corner three.
01:43:30He was letting Brown initiate the sets at that point.
01:43:34You know, who knows where that stems from?
01:43:35It might just be Brown taking that initiative, but either way it worked and
01:43:39you got some good passing sequences to the middle portion of that game too.
01:43:42He had a night, you still feel a little ISO heavy with what you're doing here,
01:43:46but that's their style at this point, either going to win or lose with that.
01:43:50Like they're not going to be tossing the ball over the court.
01:43:53Like the Pacers are.
01:43:54And honestly, they've haven't done it all year.
01:43:57They've been a great turnover team, but that like fly up and down style and
01:44:01hand off here and toss it over there.
01:44:03It's kind of killing the Pacers right now.
01:44:05Cause they just keep turning it over and that's destroying their
01:44:09chances of staying in the game.
01:44:10So you've been the better team playing with pace in this series.
01:44:14And I was a little wary of them playing the Pacer style, but they are doing it
01:44:18better and Brown's a big part of that.
01:44:21Well, we said it earlier.
01:44:22Like, I know not to go back at Jimmy, but like the whole,
01:44:27like don't get in a track meet.
01:44:29I, we said, we said it last game.
01:44:30Like it's really hard to play slow against this team.
01:44:33You know, you have to just, you gotta do what you gotta do here.
01:44:37So it's fine.
01:44:39I think what I meant by that, John, you can't treat it like an all-star game.
01:44:42You can, you can play fast, but you've got to play defense.
01:44:45That's really what it is.
01:44:47They did.
01:44:47They did.
01:44:47And then that third quarter, I think, especially there.
01:44:51And I think that that was a difference.
01:44:52You know, they were, they were swarming.
01:44:54They were, they were switching.
01:44:55They were, you know, they were, they were cheating.
01:44:57They were helping.
01:44:57They were closing off driving lanes.
01:44:59Like they were really you know, you saw, you saw glimpses of them being difficult,
01:45:05you know you know, to play against defensively, but again, it wasn't a
01:45:09sustained effort, but I mean, Indiana is going to get what they're going to get here.
01:45:13Um, and, uh, and, and, you know, you're, you're gonna, you're gonna, you're
01:45:16gonna feel good about this overall defensive performance, holding them,
01:45:19holding them down a little bit.
01:45:21Um, guys, we're going to wrap it up here unless someone's got a closing thought.
01:45:24Jimmy, I want you to, I want you to lead the way.
01:45:26I have a closing question.
01:45:27I didn't see one.
01:45:28No, Jimmy's just getting started, bro.
01:45:29Yo, Jimmy, we're standing out here.
01:45:30Just so you know.
01:45:31Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:45:32You guys get comfortable.
01:45:34This is going to be a Gary Washburn, long length question.
01:45:39Damn.
01:45:40Damn.
01:45:40Damn.
01:45:42I love Gary.
01:45:42I can say that for somebody like me who didn't get a chance to catch all the game.
01:45:49What, what was the biggest recap for you?
01:45:52Not, not quite, but tell me what the biggest difference wasn't that enabled
01:45:55the Celtics to win by such a wide margin compared to game one.
01:45:59And is that pretty much it for the series now?
01:46:01Just based on what you guys thought tonight is, is it over?
01:46:03We're not even going to give India a chance to, to play at home.
01:46:06We just, it's pretty much over and done with.
01:46:10Should be, but I mean, we'll see what happens.
01:46:12And what was the difference though?
01:46:15From game two to game three, the rebounding, the defense, you know, just
01:46:21overall, all hands on deck type of approach, especially we clean the glass.
01:46:25Second chance opportunities.
01:46:26I mean, they got like what?
01:46:27Nine, 10 and that's kind of in the first half and the first half.
01:46:30So like just the gap between the two teams, I honestly didn't think, I mean, I
01:46:35knew that's a big part going into the series, but I didn't think the
01:46:36Celtics would out rebounded them by such, such a significant margin.
01:46:39And it felt like all five guys were, were, were cleaning the glass.
01:46:43I mean, Al almost had 10 by halftime.
01:46:45So yeah, I just think that was a big part of it.
01:46:48And then just seeing the game play out the way it did in the second half.
01:46:51Jalen going off, you know, uh, everyone just sort of doing their part.
01:46:55Derek White drew a holiday.
01:46:56I thought they were rock solid in the backcourt.
01:46:59It was just a lot.
01:46:59It was overwhelming for the, for the pacers, if you ask me.
01:47:01Yeah.
01:47:02A lot of the same stuff, but small ball and defense and rebounding, as he
01:47:05mentioned, that make a big difference.
01:47:09Nice.
01:47:09Anything else to ask my dogs?
01:47:11No, that's it for me.
01:47:13Thank you for your wisdom, Jimmy.
01:47:17We needed you.
01:47:18We needed your buddy.
01:47:19I'm glad you made it.
01:47:20Yeah, I'm glad I can make it.
01:47:22Listen, the hard hats coming in hot.
01:47:24That was good.
01:47:26Yeah.
01:47:26You listen to me.
01:47:27If they didn't pull a W-10, I'm probably not making it on this show.
01:47:30But can we, can we count on you for a Saturday, Saturday, eight 30?
01:47:33I will be there.
01:47:34I will be loud and proud Saturday night from the, from right here, the lofts ready to go.
01:47:40So the loft, hopefully see you boys on the show too.
01:47:46Are you, are you guys traveling?
01:47:49Yes, we are.
01:47:50Love to see it.
01:47:51A little bit of traveling going on.
01:47:53I'm here.
01:47:54We may get a make our return, make our return.
01:47:57We were out there for all star and now we're back.
01:47:59Indie fans, we love you.
01:48:01We were out there for all star and now we're back Indy 500 as well.
01:48:05Damn.
01:48:07Yeah, exactly.
01:48:09Well, it's going to be that weekend.
01:48:12All right.
01:48:12Hey, thank you guys for joining us.
01:48:14Some things were said, you know, some feelings, some feelings were heard.
01:48:19I'm sure.
01:48:19But we'll, we'll, we'll, we will grow.
01:48:21We will go on.
01:48:22We love all of you equally.
01:48:23Okay.
01:48:23It's not about any one of you guys in the chat.
01:48:25It's every one of you.
01:48:27You guys are all great.
01:48:29Equally great.
01:48:31You know, there's a lot of guys out there that, that, that offer a lot to this chat.
01:48:36I can't do that to blurb.
01:48:37I love blurb.
01:48:37He's, he's, he's, he's one of, he's one of one.
01:48:40Okay.
01:48:41That's how I answer the question.
01:48:42Okay.
01:48:43I would've got, yeah, that's how I answer the question.
01:48:47Take notes, buddy.
01:48:48Um, but yes, thank you guys.
01:48:51We love it.
01:48:52Oh, this is a good way to end it.
01:48:54Guys.
01:48:54We've, we've gone this far guys.
01:48:58Wouldn't be a night without that.
01:49:00Shot.
01:49:01We shout out to Joe Sway.
01:49:02It's at 364 days until his birthday.
01:49:05Uh, officially.
01:49:06Oh, yes.
01:49:07Right.
01:49:07Yeah.
01:49:07It's after midnight.
01:49:09Nice.
01:49:10Wow.
01:49:10Happy birthday.
01:49:11You guys.
01:49:11Thank you guys.
01:49:13Yeah.
01:49:13All right, Jim.
01:49:13Let's hear it.
01:49:14Good talk.
01:49:15Yeah.
01:49:16Thank you.
01:49:16Just face 24 now.
01:49:19Yeah.
01:49:19Yeah.
01:49:19Yeah.
01:49:19I mean, growing up, growing up.
01:49:22Damn.
01:49:24Everybody.
01:49:25Let's give us a win.
01:49:26Let's give us a win.
01:49:27Get yourself a birthday beer after this, after this game.
01:49:30Is he old enough to get one now?
01:49:32Yeah, I think I'm good.
01:49:36I'm at the point where when they asked my ID, I'm flattered.
01:49:39So, but thank you.
01:49:41I appreciate it.
01:49:45Old man.
01:49:45Joe Sway.
01:49:47Is that what?
01:49:48Yeah.
01:49:48What's your skin care?
01:49:50You got a pretty good, I guess.
01:49:51So, all right, John, wrap this shit up.
01:49:54I'm trying.
01:49:55Somebody, somebody, somebody wants me to go with Jalen.
01:49:59Cursing up a ridiculous, ridiculous super chat.
01:50:02Um, Sharada.
01:50:06I've always told you, you can just, you can just blip out.
01:50:09I don't want the part.
01:50:11This is the part of the show where everyone's just throwing it.
01:50:13You have to get them all up.
01:50:14Is that what it is?
01:50:15If we have permission, I was trying to do it.
01:50:17So yeah.
01:50:17Okay.
01:50:18Bye.
01:50:19Walk off.
01:50:22No, he doesn't.
01:50:23He said he was going to work on an outro.
01:50:26He had a phenomenal game.
01:50:28No, I have it all.
01:50:31Porfrit's out.
01:50:32I think it's an option.
01:50:36That did not sound like a chair.
01:50:38It was a freaking chair.
01:50:40It does sound like a chair.

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