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The Garden Report goes live to discuss Jaylen Brown displaying displeasure over being left off the Team USA roster. Is he pissed at Nike? Are his tweets disrespectful to Derrick White? CLNS Media's Bobby Manning and John Zannis go LIVE with the Boston.com's Khari Thompson to discuss Brown and how Team USA looked in their exhibition vs Canada.   The Garden Report's Key Moments: 0:00 Welcoming Khari Thompson of Boston.com 2:16 - Summer league expectations 9:39 - Jaylen's standout performance 14:00 - Team selection controversy 19:10 - Team selection process 23:01 - Speculations on player selection 28:44 - Team dynamics discussed 32:59 - Tatum and Brown comparison 38:33 - Brown's award win 47:53 - Jaylen's Olympic snub 51:32 - Team USA's lineup analysis 57:06 - Referees for Celtics 1:00:02 - Summer League predictions 1:06:26 - Potential Summer League MVP 1:09:02 - Ownership situation discussed  This episode of the Garden Report is brought to you by:  Get in on the excitement with PrizePicks, America’s No. 1 Fantasy Sports App, where you can turn your hoops knowledge into serious cash. Download the app today and use code CLNS for a first deposit match up to $100! Pick more. Pick less. It’s that Easy! Go to https://PrizePicks.com/CLNS  Take the guesswork out of buying NBA tickets with Gametime. Download the Gametime app, create an account, and use code CLNS for $20 off your first purchase. Download Gametime today. Last minute tickets. Lowest Price. Guaranteed. Terms apply. Go to https://gametime.co !

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00:00:00Can you say hard hats folks? Hard hats, lunch pails, steel tool, boots.

00:00:09Anything short of a championship this year is a failure.

00:00:11Look at this boomer right here.

00:00:13You've just got so much talent here.

00:00:15Somebody said we need to apologize for Jalen.

00:00:17Can I pull the John? What are we apologizing for? What did we say? What did we do?

00:00:21What's going on everybody? Garden Report time.

00:00:32We promised we would be back for a second episode this week.

00:00:35And the Celtics, as always, gave us reason to.

00:00:38There's plenty to talk about.

00:00:40We're going to welcome in Kari Thompson from Boston.com.

00:00:43Kill the music on it.

00:00:47Nice.

00:00:48Kari Thompson is here.

00:00:50Sports reporter, Boston.com, and immersed in Celtics, in the Celtics universe,

00:00:55in Celtics culture, and covered the finals and was on board for all of it with all of us.

00:01:01Going from city to city, you know, covering the seas on their Banner 18 championship run.

00:01:06And he's here to join us in the conversation.

00:01:09We're going to talk about a bunch of things.

00:01:12We're going to talk about Jalen Brown.

00:01:14You know, Kari's here because he came at me a little bit, and that's okay.

00:01:19He came at me a little bit on Twitter.

00:01:22I wasn't really coming at you like that.

00:01:24Like, I wasn't trying to be antagonistic, John.

00:01:27But, you know, like, you know, I was just trying to steer it one way.

00:01:31But, yeah, we're going to get to that.

00:01:32But respect for you to have me on the show because, you know, it shows you didn't take it personal.

00:01:37You know, and it's not personal.

00:01:39It's just like, you know, we can disagree.

00:01:41I think, honestly, it's going to make you have a better show.

00:01:44Yeah. No, it's good.

00:01:46It's good to have on.

00:01:47It's good to have other voices.

00:01:48You know, we've got our little insulated group chat with our Garden Report guys.

00:01:53We go at it all day long.

00:01:55It's always good to invite different people onto the show.

00:01:57We'll also get into Team USA Olympic performance, what we saw out of it,

00:02:01particularly out of the Celtics who are on the team and the ones who played, you know,

00:02:07and Jason Tatum and his new haircut and no three-point shooting.

00:02:11I wonder how mad Joe Mizzoula was about last night's performance.

00:02:14And we'll get into Summer League expectations, which we were supposed to do last time.

00:02:18We ran out of time, but we will get to it now.

00:02:21But let's start with the story that's kind of in the news right now.

00:02:24And, again, you know, as Kari and I had talked about a little bit on Twitter,

00:02:27there seems to be two conversations going on with Jalen Brown.

00:02:30There's the matter of deserve.

00:02:32Did he deserve to make a team, the Olympic team?

00:02:35And then his response to it vis-a-vis how it, you know, reflected upon Derek White,

00:02:41who we should be celebrating Derek White's, you know, promotion to the team

00:02:46or selection to the team, but instead we're having this conversation,

00:02:50which, again, has people torn and pulled in different directions.

00:02:53So we'll talk about that.

00:02:55So, Kari, you're the first – you're the guest.

00:02:57We'll give you first bite at the apple here.

00:02:59And, again, I know kind of where you're coming at it here.

00:03:02But your general vibe towards here with Jalen is – and, again, there's a lot of layers to this.

00:03:09Not conspiracy, but there's the Nike component and whether or not that factored in

00:03:14and whether or not there's an actual deserve sort of thing here.

00:03:17But, like, where do you kind of land on all of it from the point that Jalen interjected

00:03:22himself into the conversation with his cryptic emojis or whatever it is that he put up there

00:03:28and kind of it became part of the dialogue?

00:03:31All right, so here's what I said.

00:03:32It's real simple.

00:03:33This guy tweeted, like, three emojis, and all of a sudden he's being disrespectful

00:03:38to Derek White for getting picked over him for the Olympic team.

00:03:42All of a sudden he's going to have chemistry issues with the Celtics.

00:03:46I think y'all are just taking it way too far.

00:03:48I think Jalen has the right to be disappointed, not picked for this team.

00:03:51I mean, what more does the guy have to do?

00:03:53He won Eastern Conference Finals MVP.

00:03:55He won NBA Finals MVP.

00:03:57And three of his teammates get picked ahead of him.

00:04:01A quarter of the team is Celtics, and not one of them is named Jalen Brown.

00:04:04Make it make sense, John said.

00:04:07Oh, I'm not.

00:04:08I'll let Bobby make it make sense.

00:04:09Because, again, you've got a slice of where I'm coming from with it in terms of whether

00:04:14or not Deserve, to quote Unforgiven, Deserve's got nothing to do with it in this particular

00:04:22scenario.

00:04:23It's really more about I personally believe he had a lot of time to process his response

00:04:28because it was reported a while ago that Derek White was going to be the person who.

00:04:32So it wasn't like an emotional response.

00:04:35It was pent up.

00:04:36And I'm not going to go as far as to say calculated, but he definitely wasn't like,

00:04:41what?

00:04:42Like, it's not like it's the beauty pageant and it's her or me and the disappointment

00:04:48just pours off of you.

00:04:49He knew it was reported.

00:04:51Derek White would replace Kawhi Leonard.

00:04:53And it happened.

00:04:54So he kind of did it anyway.

00:04:57And that's what I was surprised by was it's your teammate.

00:05:00Like, that's what I don't fully understand.

00:05:03If you and I are buddies and we're both up for a job and you get it and I start telling

00:05:07everybody it's bullshit, I'm kind of saying you're bullshit.

00:05:11Yeah.

00:05:12Even if I deserved it, that's kind of where I'm coming at it.

00:05:16Okay, Bobby.

00:05:17Let's hear what you're saying, Bobby.

00:05:18Let's go.

00:05:19Well, it's helpful that it's White, right?

00:05:21Because obviously everybody's sitting there and they're like, oh, Jalen snub, but White

00:05:25deserves it.

00:05:26So, you know, you're in that position if you're Jalen where, yeah, he probably should have

00:05:30publicly congratulated White before he got into his own, whatever it is here with what

00:05:36the process was.

00:05:37But I do think he deserves to be a little, feel a little snubbed here because you're

00:05:44coming off a finals MVP.

00:05:46You had this dynamic performance in the playoffs.

00:05:49You really, you should be one of the faces of basketball at this point with this kind

00:05:53of achievement.

00:05:54And you're not on this team because let's be real.

00:05:56I know Grant Hill's talking about fit and White can defend and pass and all this stuff.

00:06:01And I do like White's fit on this team, but that's why you have Holiday here.

00:06:05I fully understood that.

00:06:06And I think they went to Holiday before anyone else on this team.

00:06:09And we're like, we need you on this team.

00:06:11Do they need White?

00:06:12They said it last night.

00:06:14I mean, they said it on the broadcast.

00:06:16Again, like Grant Hill, they're like, we're, we kind of built around having a guy like

00:06:21him on the team.

00:06:22So they, they did have that guy, you know, do you need, it's fair to question whether

00:06:25you need two of them there.

00:06:27Right.

00:06:28And I don't think White's going to play much.

00:06:31No.

00:06:32But is that a factor?

00:06:33Would Brown have played much?

00:06:34Is that a factor?

00:06:35I don't know.

00:06:36That's the question.

00:06:37I'll ask you, Kari, here.

00:06:39Now we once again have the concept, we have the question of deserve, but this is subjective

00:06:45in the sense that it's team building, right?

00:06:47Like they're trying to build a particular team.

00:06:49So it's very subjective.

00:06:50It's not straight up.

00:06:51Look at my stats versus his stats.

00:06:54And so it's not like an all-star game or all NBA, which is like, dude, really like there

00:06:59you can make a better case because there's empirical evidence to back whether you had

00:07:03technically a better season by any metrics that you would want to use.

00:07:07And whether you deserve something over someone else, there's always going to be splitting

00:07:11hairs arguments, you know, and, and, and, and there's going to be tough calls and tough

00:07:15omissions, but nobody, if this was an all NBA voting and Derek White gets in third team

00:07:21over Jalen Brown, there's not a single person who'd be like, Oh, that makes sense.

00:07:25But because you're building a team here and you're trying to achieve something that's

00:07:30basically it, you know, true to somebody's vision, who's building this team.

00:07:35That's what they thought they needed.

00:07:36But what Bobby said is Derek White might not play a ton.

00:07:39Drew Holiday is in their plans.

00:07:41It could factor in that.

00:07:42Like, can I bring in a superstar type of guy in here who needs the ball in his hands and

00:07:48play him seven minutes a game?

00:07:49Because that's how I see his fit here.

00:07:51Or am I better off just bringing the guy who really is the role player that I can plug

00:07:55anywhere?

00:07:56Maybe, but like, I don't know if I'm the United States of America and I'm trying to win a

00:08:01gold medal, I want the best players.

00:08:04And you're telling me that you're taking an injured Kawhi Leonard, who we knew had a knee

00:08:10injury during the first round over Jalen Brown.

00:08:13You're taking Halliburton, who they just dispatched on their way to winning the title over Jalen

00:08:19Brown.

00:08:20And then you're taking Drew and Derek White over Jalen Brown.

00:08:24I smell fish.

00:08:26So this is very difficult.

00:08:28That's when we talk about the conspiracy.

00:08:30Yeah.

00:08:31But yeah, go ahead, Bobby.

00:08:32So you mentioned the All-NBA team, John.

00:08:34And obviously it's not built like that.

00:08:36It's not about deserve.

00:08:37It's not about your candidacy here.

00:08:40Some of it is fit, obviously, with the way they built this team.

00:08:43And more of it's probably status.

00:08:45And I think Grant even said that, right?

00:08:47That the Durants, the LeBrons, you're not even going to question bringing those guys in because

00:08:51they've earned that.

00:08:52And so those guys just get an automatic bid.

00:08:55I think what you look at here with Jalen, especially if you are, like Kari said, comparing

00:08:58him to a Halliburton, comparing him to some of the younger guys on this roster.

00:09:02I don't even throw Bam in there, I guess.

00:09:04I know you want a third big, but is Bam going to play a ton here?

00:09:09Jalen should have the status.

00:09:11And it goes back to what Steve and Ace talked about.

00:09:13I know he was continuing it this week.

00:09:15He should have the status that makes him a slam dunk kind of guy for a team like this,

00:09:21regardless of fit, right?

00:09:23But he doesn't.

00:09:24And I know Halliburton paid his dues last summer because he plays in FIBA, and that

00:09:27probably goes into it a little bit too here.

00:09:29I'm not saying this is an easy team to put together.

00:09:31It's 12 guys, right?

00:09:32Kyrie's not here.

00:09:34Paul George isn't here.

00:09:35There's countless snubs you can look at.

00:09:38But given what Jalen just did, when it comes to injury replacement, which is what we're

00:09:42talking about here, if Jalen wanted this, he should have been in front of Derek White.

00:09:48I've changed on this because I'm a huge white guy.

00:09:54And I like the skill set he brings to the table here.

00:09:58But it's Jalen Brown.

00:10:00Jalen Brown has reached a new level with what he just did this summer.

00:10:07Yeah, I agree.

00:10:11Yes, we can debate whether or not he deserves it.

00:10:14I'm just saying my man has the right to free speech, man.

00:10:17Of course he does.

00:10:21So you think the Nike thing's a factor?

00:10:24I'm not even saying the Nike thing's a factor.

00:10:26I'm just saying I don't think it makes him a bad teammate to show any kind of disappointment

00:10:33to what went down, what is clearly fishy.

00:10:37I don't think that makes him a bad teammate at all.

00:10:39And I don't think it's about Derek.

00:10:43Let me ask you this.

00:10:44So is it fishy because he's so clearly a better overall basketball player than Derek White?

00:10:51So that's the thing.

00:10:52Because right now, here's where we're stuck in a weird place in the conversation.

00:10:55I personally think simply because it's Derek White, you just bite your lip and say,

00:11:00congrats to my man Derek.

00:11:01Very well deserved.

00:11:02Would have loved the chance to be there for my country, but whatever.

00:11:06And that's the high road sort of thing to do.

00:11:10You could do that.

00:11:11You can also do whatever.

00:11:12But simply because it's Derek White, I think you've got to say, look, man, I'm pissed

00:11:17and I think it's bullshit and I should be over five different guys on this team.

00:11:20But if I say something now, it's going to look like I'm taking a dig at Derek.

00:11:23So I won't.

00:11:24If he had done that, I don't think, like, would we be doing the reverse?

00:11:28If Derek, if Jalen Brown deserved to make it and tweet it out into the world,

00:11:32congrats to Derek White.

00:11:33Very deserving.

00:11:34We'd still have the conversation for him.

00:11:36Like, I think Derek, I think he should have made it ahead of him.

00:11:39Nobody would be saying, you know what?

00:11:40If I were Jalen, I think he should have fucking let them have it and tweeted

00:11:44something angry and tell everybody how bullshit this was.

00:11:47So I don't know why we are justifying it that it happened.

00:11:50I don't think it's ideal.

00:11:51I don't think it's going to split the Celtics or cause a controversy.

00:11:54It just clearly is something that what happens with Derek White shows up

00:11:59tomorrow to answer questions about this incredible honor of his.

00:12:02And every question is, so Jalen kind of tweeted that he should have been here

00:12:06and not you.

00:12:07What do you think?

00:12:08And be like, uh, and he's dead stuck.

00:12:11It's kind of like, you know, it's just stomping on his moment a little bit.

00:12:14And in a perfect world, I think it wasn't the best response.

00:12:18I think we can debate till we're blue in the face whether he deserved to be

00:12:21on the team or not and how many people he deserved to be ahead of.

00:12:24It's the same conversation we have during all NBA selection.

00:12:27Booker, this guy, he's better than that.

00:12:29He's more valuable.

00:12:30All of that stuff.

00:12:31And that's totally justified.

00:12:33I just think how he responded puts White in a weird spot.

00:12:37Yeah, but I'm not putting that on Jalen.

00:12:39I'm putting that on you, Grant Hill, since you said it was your decision.

00:12:42Like, don't even put Jalen in that position by making that kind of move.

00:12:46Like, really?

00:12:48Like, are we doing this?

00:12:49Like, I mean, like, come on, dude.

00:12:52Like, it's just, it blows my mind.

00:12:55It blows my mind.

00:12:57And like, it's not personal.

00:12:59Insert player X.

00:13:00Jalen probably felt that way before White even got picked.

00:13:03He just decided to say something.

00:13:05Because at some point, right is right and wrong is wrong.

00:13:08And Jalen believes it's wrong, so he said something.

00:13:11So, I can't fault him for that.

00:13:13Yeah.

00:13:14Again, it's not a fault in the sense of like,

00:13:17that's what I'm saying is I'm not faulting.

00:13:19Nobody is being prevented from expressing their feelings or opinion.

00:13:23It's not a, hey, keep it to yourself.

00:13:26I'm saying, would it have been better if it didn't happen?

00:13:29Maybe.

00:13:30Does it create an awkward environment for Derek White?

00:13:33Also maybe.

00:13:34That's literally all it is there.

00:13:36And I don't think deserve has anything to do with the response.

00:13:39He has every right to feel it.

00:13:40And he could, I think a lot of people would argue in his favor,

00:13:43whether he voices displeasure or not.

00:13:45It's bullshit that Jalen Brown's not on the team.

00:13:47I don't think he needs to voice his displeasure for people to get up in

00:13:50arms over him not making it.

00:13:52But if you look at the roster and you point it out,

00:13:55a quarter of it is Celtics.

00:13:57Now go up and down the roster, okay?

00:13:59In terms of deserve.

00:14:02Booker, all NBA.

00:14:04Curry, all NBA.

00:14:05Anthony Davis, Durant, Edwards.

00:14:07Booker's questionable.

00:14:08What I'm saying is I'm saying Embiid would have been all NBA without injuries.

00:14:14Halliburton, all NBA.

00:14:16LeBron, all NBA.

00:14:17Tatum, all NBA.

00:14:18Kawhi Leonard, second team, all NBA.

00:14:21The only players on the team that you can absolutely say from a straight

00:14:25resume perspective on the entire team.

00:14:28And Bam was fringy as well.

00:14:30The only two players that you have such an obvious case over are both Celtics.

00:14:37So the only thing that's like objectively bullshit is both Celtics teammates

00:14:44being selected over you because they're the two with the resumes that are far

00:14:48lower than everyone else.

00:14:50And so now it's like if it's bullshit in an obvious way,

00:14:55not a I would take him over Kawhi, I would take him over Booker.

00:14:58People can argue that on both sides and both will have cases.

00:15:02Those are debatable.

00:15:04It's not debatable whether Brown has a higher standing in the league than

00:15:08Holliday or White in terms of the hierarchy if you were to rank players one

00:15:12to 100.

00:15:13He's clearly higher than those guys by a bit.

00:15:15So if you're pointing to two people on the team who clearly have the least

00:15:20case of being there, it's his two teammates.

00:15:23My thing though, John, is that even if it's debatable, right?

00:15:27Like even if it's close.

00:15:28To me, the tie should go to the winner, right?

00:15:32Like you should go with the guy who got it done.

00:15:35You should go with the guy who had the better playoffs.

00:15:38You should go with the guy who took home the hardware.

00:15:41And you should go with the guy that's wearing a ring.

00:15:43And when it comes to dudes like Booker and Halliburton, if it's close, man,

00:15:47I think you got to give it to JB.

00:15:49Especially if you want to go with numbers and argue that sort of thing.

00:15:52JB had to make some sacrifices this year in terms of the type of talent.

00:15:55The most of all the team, the most of everybody, I would say.

00:15:59There's no doubt about it.

00:16:01But the thing is, like, don't you think people are coming off this season

00:16:04almost across the board?

00:16:06Like, you know, because there's Celtics hate from outside where people,

00:16:10you know, maybe thought the easy path.

00:16:12This, this, this, and that.

00:16:14I would say the one thing almost universally agreed upon from everybody

00:16:17outside the Celtics little bubble sphere that we live in,

00:16:21our echo chamber of, like, everything that didn't go the Celtics way

00:16:25was robbery and a slight and all of that stuff.

00:16:28I would say the only thing almost everybody would agree upon is

00:16:31Jalen Brown showed his worth this year.

00:16:34His star shining brighter than everybody's.

00:16:37Tatum probably, Tatum won the title and he's taking shots

00:16:41for not shooting that well and this and that.

00:16:43And people are wondering whether he's a true alpha superstar

00:16:46and, you know, a lot of other people and they had an easy path.

00:16:49I think everybody agrees Brown, you know, just like,

00:16:55I don't think you can question his performance at all.

00:16:58Yeah.

00:16:59I don't think you can question it.

00:17:01He answered every question about his game last year.

00:17:05And again, that isn't the criteria for being on Team USA.

00:17:10I mean, when you reverse engineer it here a little bit,

00:17:13Tatum's a slam dunk, right?

00:17:15No one's questioning Tatum's candidacy.

00:17:17No one's debating that.

00:17:18And why is that?

00:17:20Obviously, he has previous status with this team.

00:17:22He's won a gold medal.

00:17:23I think that's part of it here.

00:17:25I think he's a guy people want to play with on this team.

00:17:28You know, he's part of the club here, essentially.

00:17:30And you look at it and say, to go down Jalen's road here,

00:17:36a bonafide Nike guy, the face of Jordan.

00:17:39That has to play some role in it, right?

00:17:41Now, is Nike picking the team?

00:17:43I don't think there's any evidence of that here one way or another.

00:17:46But if you're a bonafide Nike guy, if you're, if Luca was an American,

00:17:51obviously, you know, he's one of the faces of Jordan and Tatum

00:17:54and whoever else is in that category here,

00:17:57you're automatically on this team.

00:17:59And so that probably worked against Jalen to some degree here.

00:18:03Was it an ultimatum by Nike that they said they don't want him being part of this?

00:18:07And he can't be here because he's anti-Nike and he's spoken out against it

00:18:11and blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:18:13I don't know.

00:18:14But it certainly would have helped him if he was, you know,

00:18:18all in on that kind of thing, right?

00:18:20Like everybody on this team has Nike shoes.

00:18:24Ah, politics.

00:18:26Politics in the Olympics?

00:18:27Never.

00:18:28No.

00:18:29I mean, there were guys who covered the Nike on the original Dream Team

00:18:33because of their affiliations as well.

00:18:35So this wouldn't be the first time that something like this reared its head.

00:18:40It's, people have taped over stuff before.

00:18:45It's not all.

00:18:47And Hill's answer was kind of ridiculous.

00:18:49You gotta be Team Nike.

00:18:50But I didn't, I didn't like Hill's answer either.

00:18:52Here's Grant Hill, who, you know, if Kyrie has an issue with anyone more than me,

00:18:57it's Grant Hill.

00:18:58And here he is talking about it.

00:19:03Here he is squinting about it.

00:19:05Eventually he's going to talk.

00:19:08Eventually he's going to talk.

00:19:10No, we'll try him again in a second.

00:19:12Amit, that guy kicked off the stage.

00:19:14We'll hear from Grant Hill in a little bit when we get a chance to.

00:19:18Oh, there he is.

00:19:19My career wore Fila.

00:19:23That was supposed to be a joke.

00:19:27I mean, we, you know, we're proud of our partners obviously

00:19:32and USA Basketball.

00:19:33But, you know, this is about putting together a team.

00:19:37And I'm glad you kind of brought that up because I think just overall

00:19:47you have incredible interest from, you know,

00:19:51an abundance of talent that we have here in the United States.

00:19:55And I've talked a little bit about when we, you know,

00:19:58we've assembled this roster.

00:20:01You can't get 12 spots.

00:20:03You have to build a team.

00:20:05And one of the hardest things is leaving people off the roster that I'm a fan of,

00:20:12that I look forward to watching throughout the season,

00:20:15throughout the playoffs.

00:20:18Guys who've been finals MVPs, guys who've been a part of the program,

00:20:24guys who've won gold medals,

00:20:27guys who I respect, admire, and enjoy watching.

00:20:31But the responsibility that I have is to put together a team,

00:20:37and a team that complements each other, a team that fits,

00:20:40a team that will give us the best opportunity for success.

00:20:46And so, you know, whatever theories that might be out there, you know,

00:20:52they're just that.

00:20:54But that's my responsibility.

00:20:56And it's tough.

00:20:57It's tough to, you know, have conversations,

00:21:01tell people that they're not on the team.

00:21:03And so I know I've talked about that in the past,

00:21:06but I just think that speaks in general.

00:21:08Like, I'm trying to win,

00:21:10and I'm trying to put together the right pieces that fit

00:21:13and give us a chance to win.

00:21:16So I'll ask again, because you said you smell something fishy.

00:21:19Did someone order a code red here on Jalen Brown?

00:21:22Do you really believe that that's –

00:21:23I believe anything is possible,

00:21:25so I'm not saying no by any means.

00:21:27But do you believe there's a good chance there's something more to this

00:21:32simply than some subjective decision about what I want on this team?

00:21:36I don't know.

00:21:38What I believe is going to win.

00:21:39Because I don't know.

00:21:41I'm not going to go there,

00:21:42but what I am going to say in response to what Grant Hill just said

00:21:45is that after what we just watched the Celtics do,

00:21:47not only in the regular season,

00:21:49but in the postseason, winning 64 games, going 16-3,

00:21:54you're saying you want to win, right?

00:21:55The Celtics just won the championship and proved they're the best team.

00:21:58Why would you not pick the most consistent Celtic that helped them win?

00:22:07Like, if you're saying you want to win,

00:22:09how are you saying that there's 12 dudes ahead of the finals MVP

00:22:13that will help you win?

00:22:15Like, forget – I mean, you can talk about it if you want.

00:22:18But that's whether he's wrong.

00:22:20My question is, like, he might be dead wrong in his assessment,

00:22:24but do you believe he's compromised in any way?

00:22:27Like, that's what I mean.

00:22:28It's like – because we keep going back to Draylon Brown's

00:22:32freaking finals MVP.

00:22:33How much more of a winner can you get than that?

00:22:35That's not debatable.

00:22:37And whether or not he has a resume that exceeds Derek White's

00:22:40is also not debatable.

00:22:41And it's also not debatable that he's a better slide-in slot and fit

00:22:48replacing Kawhi Leonard than Derek White is.

00:22:50That's the biggest thing, right?

00:22:51So there's a million reasons why it made sense.

00:22:54But do you believe there's something more behind it that's fueling

00:23:00not having him on the team?

00:23:02Sure.

00:23:03Whether it's this weird Stephen A bullshit that he's thrown out there.

00:23:10That guys don't like him.

00:23:11Like, I mean, I'll throw it up there, you know,

00:23:13because, again, it's worth talking about.

00:23:15It's – you know, I can't really read it.

00:23:17But, you know, do you all believe me now, he says.

00:23:20I need to reveal my sources.

00:23:21It's obvious.

00:23:22How the hell is this guy in the finals MVP not on there?

00:23:25There's something going on.

00:23:26People don't like this dude for some reason.

00:23:28Whether it's the politics, whether it's speaking his mind.

00:23:31Stephen A initially, not intimated, said his source told him that people

00:23:36don't like Brown because he walks around and he acts like he's

00:23:38better than everybody.

00:23:39Like, you think there's something either political or that he has

00:23:44rubbed someone somewhere up high up the ladder the wrong way that's

00:23:48affected whether or not he's getting on the team?

00:23:51Sure.

00:23:52Or whether he's getting all NBAs.

00:23:53Like, is there something that's – because that happens.

00:23:55People vote their – people – that stuff affects decisions.

00:24:00No question about it.

00:24:01You think voters and media guys and this and that don't have guys who they

00:24:05just think are assholes for some reason and don't vote for them?

00:24:08Of course they do.

00:24:09So you think there's something there?

00:24:11Yeah.

00:24:12I mean, there's definitely, like, a level of subjectivity when you're

00:24:16picking a team like this.

00:24:17Like, there's no science that says this is automatically the best team.

00:24:22And so, sure, are there people in the league who don't like Jalen Brown?

00:24:26I'm sure.

00:24:27Like, nobody's universally liked.

00:24:29And I don't know.

00:24:30I'm not going to point the finger at Nike.

00:24:32JB seems to be doing that.

00:24:34I don't know about that situation.

00:24:36But I will say that, like, yeah, it's obviously a bit of a popularity contest

00:24:41for sure.

00:24:42Right.

00:24:43And if – I keep flipping it the opposite way, John.

00:24:46If he was one of the faces of Nike, Nike would have him in.

00:24:49If he was one of the most popular guys in the league,

00:24:52the teammates would want him there.

00:24:53Now, are those necessarily reasons he's not there?

00:24:57No.

00:24:58But you can't rule him out just because if it was the opposite way,

00:25:03he'd automatically be in there for all the reasons we talked about here.

00:25:06So they're all worth bringing up there, and they're all worth assessing.

00:25:09I find the Stephen A thing funny because as much as they butted heads,

00:25:12and I said this to you earlier, John,

00:25:14they both seem to kind of be saying the same thing, right?

00:25:17Like, Brown's saying he's snubbed, and Stephen A is like,

00:25:21he's getting snubbed from all this stuff because of this, this, and that.

00:25:24And they kind of seem to be talking about the same thing.

00:25:26Maybe Brown's talking more about the corporate political side

00:25:29than the popularity side, which is what Stephen A is talking about here.

00:25:32But the more and more I think about it, again, I'm a big Derek White guy.

00:25:37I do think he could help this team,

00:25:39and I do think there's a lot of basketball reasons he could fit in here.

00:25:42But the more and more I think about it, it's like, man,

00:25:45a guy of this status and caliber should be shooing on a team like this.

00:25:51You could throw Kyrie's name out there,

00:25:53and Kyrie obviously has some stuff working against him too,

00:25:56and George and some other guys.

00:25:58I get that there's a lot of people that are left off this team

00:26:01that could be here.

00:26:03But given the way the last year went here,

00:26:05and I know everyone's saying that White was lined up

00:26:08and he was going to be that backup guy anyway,

00:26:10but you can change that decision based on factors that have happened since.

00:26:14And obviously we saw what happened over the summer.

00:26:17And given that it's Kawhi, you brought that point up, John.

00:26:21It really doesn't make sense.

00:26:23Brown can't defend. Brown can't hit threes off the ball.

00:26:27Brown can't provide some secondary play.

00:26:30Brown isn't healthy.

00:26:32Yeah.

00:26:33We've spent our entire lives,

00:26:36we've spent the last eight years trying to say

00:26:43that Brown is eventually going to evolve into Kawhi Leonard.

00:26:47That was always the model.

00:26:49If he can have an all-around, well-rounded game like Kawhi Leonard,

00:26:53that's his ceiling.

00:26:54That's who he's going to be.

00:26:56And he's kind of there.

00:26:59Kawhi Leonard still, I think at full health,

00:27:01is still one of the greats.

00:27:03But there's not debating this year.

00:27:05He's entering a little bit iffy, a little bit injured.

00:27:08He's still a terrific frigging player.

00:27:10But again, just in terms of the slide in and replace,

00:27:13I don't think it's an argument.

00:27:14I think it's much more sensible and the much better pick

00:27:18to have put Brown in there.

00:27:20Really the debate came down to him calling bullshit at a time

00:27:23where the two most questionable selections on the team

00:27:26are both Celtics, and one of them just got added to it.

00:27:29So I agree with you there.

00:27:31I think we've given Tatum a lot of criticism for those kind of answers

00:27:35and those kind of responses in the past when he has slighted teammates,

00:27:39particularly Brown, by not maybe showering him with enough praise

00:27:42or not mentioning him or whatever it is.

00:27:45I do think he kind of almost pulled a Tatum in some ways

00:27:48that we criticized Tatum in the past here with the way he approaches.

00:27:51Now, did he call white?

00:27:52Did he do something behind the scenes there to congratulate him?

00:27:55Like obviously the stuff that's not public here

00:27:57that could potentially have happened.

00:27:59But from a public standpoint, he went and tweeted right away

00:28:02about his own status rather than white going in there,

00:28:04which I do agree with you.

00:28:06I don't think that's the best look.

00:28:08Yeah, and that's the thing is like white and what's going to happen tomorrow.

00:28:12We've seen this.

00:28:13We've done this dance before is, you know,

00:28:15there's a natural inclination to want to defend these guys.

00:28:17So people will naturally defend them because that's what fans of teams do.

00:28:22And it's fine.

00:28:23And they're fine.

00:28:24It's not an issue.

00:28:25And you never know if something's an issue

00:28:26because they're not going to tell you it's an issue publicly.

00:28:28So Derek White's going to come out tomorrow

00:28:30and say every right thing imaginable.

00:28:32And everyone's going to say, see, it's not a big deal.

00:28:35And then we're going to pretend that the debate is resolved

00:28:38where we don't actually know that it's resolved or not resolved.

00:28:41Deep down inside, white could have been like that mother.

00:28:43He could have frigging done, but it doesn't matter.

00:28:45Like I said, is it going to break the team apart?

00:28:48Probably not.

00:28:49It just wasn't.

00:28:51It didn't come off as ideal.

00:28:53Tatum also tough spot.

00:28:55Asked about it today, I believe today at the Olympics

00:29:00and gave a very Tatum-y sort of answer.

00:29:03Let me put it.

00:29:06Where is he?

00:29:07His half of Tatum.

00:29:08Ahmed, what's going on with these things?

00:29:12Who is this guy?

00:29:13Where's the rest of them?

00:29:14Look at that haircut.

00:29:17Hold on, let me try this again.

00:29:18I know, clean.

00:29:21This is terrible.

00:29:26Ahmed, if you can fix it, just pop it up and I'll stop talking about this.

00:29:30No, no.

00:29:33Is it tough not having Jalen here?

00:29:35Yeah, I mean, there's so many guys that could, you know.

00:29:40So many guys.

00:29:41Anybody could be on this one.

00:29:44Yeah, it is.

00:29:47I'll give him this one.

00:29:49I love this shit.

00:29:50I'll give him this one.

00:29:51You knew it was coming.

00:29:52It's the best.

00:29:53How big is Jalen Brown's leadership been?

00:29:56Yeah, we're all leaders.

00:29:57Like, oh, man, just give it to him.

00:29:59Just give it to him once, man.

00:30:01Give it to him.

00:30:02I don't know.

00:30:04And talk about playing the game.

00:30:05Tatum plays the game as well as anyone there,

00:30:08and that's how he's going to answer a question like that.

00:30:10And I'll give it to him in this circumstance,

00:30:12because how are you going to weigh the white and brown thing in one answer?

00:30:15It's tough.

00:30:16So you just kind of blew it off there.

00:30:19These guys need to hear your coach.

00:30:21That's what it's always.

00:30:24It doesn't really matter, but it's so easy to give the right answer

00:30:28and end any possibility.

00:30:30What would you have said there, John?

00:30:32In there, dude, we're the NBA champions.

00:30:34I think every single member of our team should be here,

00:30:37and it would make us that much better

00:30:39and increase our chances of winning, because that's what we did.

00:30:42So JB, White, Holiday, friggin' Jimmy, Al,

00:30:47bring them all here.

00:30:48They all deserve a spot on this team.

00:30:50It's so easy to kind of play every side there.

00:30:53Jalen's one of the best players in the world.

00:30:55Of course he has a right to wonder here.

00:30:57Derek White, also outstanding a winner.

00:31:00They both deserve to be here.

00:31:01I wish we could have them all here.

00:31:04Super easy to do, but it's an awkward position,

00:31:07because he's like, ah, shit.

00:31:09If I say one thing about one guy,

00:31:11is it going to come off as I'm picking a side here?

00:31:13So he just kind of hems and haws a little bit.

00:31:15So who knows?

00:31:16Again, I don't put a ton of stock

00:31:18in the quality of these answers.

00:31:20I think it's actually pretty easy

00:31:22to evade any potential controversy

00:31:25or people reading into stuff

00:31:27or eyeball emoji-ing anything you said

00:31:29with really, really simple, basic answers.

00:31:32But Tatum didn't say a ton there.

00:31:36The only other thing I'll throw in there, Khary, too,

00:31:38is obviously Tatum, he's friends with a lot of guys

00:31:41on this roster, close friends.

00:31:43Bam.

00:31:45KD, there's a relationship there.

00:31:48Up and down this roster,

00:31:49I'm sure he even has a relationship with LeBron.

00:31:52Jalen doesn't go about things in that way,

00:31:54and I think we've loved that about him in the past, too,

00:31:57is he's not buddies with guys across the league.

00:32:00He's not going to compete with them.

00:32:01You remember the Draymond stuff?

00:32:03Tatum's obviously another guy

00:32:04who's been friends with Draymond here.

00:32:06There's more of a social relationship

00:32:09that Tatum has with guys across the league,

00:32:11it feels like, than Brown,

00:32:12who has looked at it from the other way,

00:32:14where it's like, I'm trying to beat these guys,

00:32:16I'm trying to take them down,

00:32:18I'm trying to destroy these guys,

00:32:20that I'm sure doesn't help him here either.

00:32:22It really is the perfect encapsulation

00:32:24of the difference between Tatum

00:32:27and how he's kind of carried himself in his career

00:32:29versus how Brown does here.

00:32:32Does that hurt him here?

00:32:34Again, I don't know, but it might be a factor,

00:32:36because you look at Tatum and Brown

00:32:38and where they are in their careers right now,

00:32:40we've said this throughout the year,

00:32:42this year more than any show,

00:32:44they're equals here in this thing.

00:32:47Tatum might be a little bit more valuable

00:32:49because of the passing and all that,

00:32:50but in terms of their impact in the playoffs,

00:32:53it was neck and neck.

00:32:55Those guys were equally as valuable

00:32:57in this run as each other.

00:33:00And I get that that's how the world works,

00:33:03relationships and connections get you things

00:33:05that you might not ordinarily get.

00:33:07But what is this, high school?

00:33:10You know what I mean?

00:33:11Jayla doesn't want to sit at the cool kids table,

00:33:15so we're going to take stuff away from him?

00:33:17Come on, man.

00:33:18It's the most high school thing ever, John.

00:33:21How many different high schools in this country

00:33:25have guys say,

00:33:26oh, I'm not on the team because of this, this, and that,

00:33:28and the coach didn't like me,

00:33:30and I wasn't friends with the best player?

00:33:33We can't hear you, John.

00:33:35I'm on the youth sports circuit right now

00:33:38with my kids.

00:33:39The amount of parents who think

00:33:41their kids got jobbed out of shit.

00:33:43It's like, no, man, your kid's just ordinary.

00:33:46Just accept it and move on.

00:33:49Most of our kids are.

00:33:50It's fine.

00:33:51Just live with it.

00:33:53Oh, I need better coaching.

00:33:55I'm going to switch soccer clubs

00:33:56and drive 40 miles to practice.

00:33:58Okay, have fun.

00:34:00Well, that's how basketball has become

00:34:01in many ways, too, right?

00:34:02I know.

00:34:04AAU, guys switch teams all the time.

00:34:06High schools, guys aren't.

00:34:08College, look at college now.

00:34:09Guys are transferring every year

00:34:11to a new situation where they're the man

00:34:13or they're better set up

00:34:14or there's a better relationship with the coach

00:34:16or whatever it might be here.

00:34:17So obviously it's translating to the NBA level now, too,

00:34:20with the way a lot of these guys come up.

00:34:22And man, this is a little bit of a mess here.

00:34:26Uh, yeah.

00:34:28Yeah, I mean, but this stuff.

00:34:29You gotta say, though,

00:34:30Jalen's the only guy who's come out vocally

00:34:32and said, what the hell?

00:34:34I'm not here because of this, this, and that.

00:34:35Well, let me ask you that.

00:34:37Is Jalen Bra-

00:34:38Fine.

00:34:39He deserves maybe a head of almost anybody else

00:34:41who could have potentially been omitted here.

00:34:44Um, but is he the only person on the planet

00:34:47with a, with a, with a beef?

00:34:49You know, because right now he's the only one

00:34:51who seems to be vocalizing it

00:34:53and or pointing to a reason behind it

00:34:56beyond subjective basketball analysis,

00:34:59you know, based on whatever they think

00:35:00they need for this team.

00:35:01Right now, you know,

00:35:04and people do this all the time.

00:35:05All-star selections.

00:35:06People don't make it.

00:35:07They voice their displeasure.

00:35:08Of course.

00:35:09Yeah, it should have been, you know.

00:35:10And Jalen has done that

00:35:11with the all-star selection process.

00:35:14The all-NBA, you know,

00:35:15so like there's a, there's a vibe of like

00:35:18someone out there doesn't like me for some reason.

00:35:21Has it always been justified?

00:35:23I don't think so.

00:35:24I think in this case, I think it's a hard,

00:35:27you're making a really, you have to do,

00:35:29you have to do a lot of dancing

00:35:31to justify not putting him on this team.

00:35:33So I think that this,

00:35:34maybe more so than anywhere else,

00:35:36is a tough one.

00:35:37Everyone else is kind of,

00:35:38but in the most cases,

00:35:40they're all kind of jump balls.

00:35:42He just seems to come on

00:35:43the other side of them a lot.

00:35:44You know, like he was 16th in all-NBA.

00:35:47If you looked up and down that roster,

00:35:49yeah, you can totally point to a guy or two

00:35:51that you think maybe or definitely,

00:35:54but it's close.

00:35:55It was close.

00:35:56And in this case,

00:35:57it's close versus everyone else

00:36:00except for Holiday and White,

00:36:01you know, as we said,

00:36:02who are picked for reasons beyond,

00:36:04you know, their basketball resumes.

00:36:07But yeah, it's happened to him a bit

00:36:09and, you know,

00:36:10I definitely think he thinks

00:36:11there's reason behind it.

00:36:13You know who else could have a case?

00:36:16Boston's favorite, Kyrie.

00:36:19Kyrie's the other baby.

00:36:22And you don't think there's reasons

00:36:24beyond basketball, Kyrie's not there?

00:36:27100% for Kyrie.

00:36:29I'm not 100% sure for Jalen,

00:36:30but I wouldn't be.

00:36:31Kyrie for sure.

00:36:33There's definitely a fear

00:36:35of like representing Team USA

00:36:37and some of the things he said in the past.

00:36:39That has to factor in, right?

00:36:42Yeah.

00:36:43Absolutely.

00:36:44Seems fishy with him too, man.

00:36:45It's fishy.

00:36:46I think they're worried.

00:36:47Like, I don't know what he's going to say or do

00:36:50and I'd rather just not risk.

00:36:52Well, he has a shoe issue too here, right?

00:36:54Because he was a former Nike guy

00:36:56and that's where Brown's issue with Nike

00:36:59originated in many ways,

00:37:00was the Kyrie situation

00:37:02where he stood in line with Kyrie

00:37:04and defended him.

00:37:06It was when Phil Knight said,

00:37:08it was exactly that.

00:37:10It was in response to a Phil Knight tweet

00:37:12about that Irving didn't represent the brand

00:37:15and he's like, oh, so now you guys are,

00:37:17all of a sudden, cares about morals or ethics

00:37:20or whatever it was.

00:37:21And so that's the one that's been pointed to

00:37:24as the time he's been critical.

00:37:26Yeah.

00:37:27But again, I don't know.

00:37:29I've asked you guys

00:37:30whether you think it's the reason or not.

00:37:32But there may be more to it beyond straight basketball.

00:37:36Yeah, I think that's definitely the case.

00:37:38Yeah.

00:37:39Kyrie's a great example, right?

00:37:40Because he was one of the faces of Nike.

00:37:42Absolutely.

00:37:43And if he still was.

00:37:44Brown just wanted to ask me, respect.

00:37:47Oh, yeah.

00:37:49Best championship performance.

00:37:51Validation.

00:37:52So I guess that's the last thing we should talk about

00:37:54here with Brown,

00:37:55because we've had this conversation a million times.

00:37:58He feels disrespected.

00:38:00He feels slighted in many ways.

00:38:03How does this manifest itself going forward?

00:38:05Because you would think him standing there

00:38:07with the finals MVP trophy, which again,

00:38:10I'm still sitting here 21 days, 24 days,

00:38:13however long it's been later.

00:38:14And like my mouth's still like on the floor

00:38:17that he won that.

00:38:18Because normally it's just like the guy

00:38:20with the status as the number one face of the team

00:38:23always wins that award outside of like the Iguodala year.

00:38:26Like every single best player on the best team,

00:38:29regardless of the stats or whatever it might be,

00:38:33usually just walks away with that award.

00:38:35And Brown won it pretty convincingly here.

00:38:37So that was a big deal.

00:38:38I still can't believe it happened.

00:38:40But still, even after that, he's still so slighted.

00:38:45He deserved to win.

00:38:46This is why I like Joe Mazzullo's message though.

00:38:49Because Joe's always talking about

00:38:50don't play for other people's admiration.

00:38:52Like don't go in expecting things to happen.

00:38:55And I think that's just a real healthy way to look at it

00:38:58if you're JT or JB or any of the Celtics.

00:39:01Because like at the end of the day,

00:39:03what matters is winning, dude.

00:39:04Like if you win and you have your game in order,

00:39:06stuff is going to fall into place for you.

00:39:08Like Jalen got paid anyway.

00:39:10Like he might not have the awards,

00:39:11but he's a champion and he's a finalist.

00:39:13He got paid too, right?

00:39:14Yeah, he's not doing too bad here.

00:39:17So I think Joe's guidance on that is the right one.

00:39:21Yeah, it's interesting because he really has checked off

00:39:24a lot of the lists of things he might've had an issue with

00:39:28or things he deserved that he wasn't getting

00:39:30or even just his status.

00:39:32Like I think the way he's looked at after a summer last year

00:39:35where he wore all of the blame for that game seven

00:39:39and the way it went in that series,

00:39:41it's been the opposite here, as you said, John.

00:39:43Like he has nothing left to prove,

00:39:45it feels like at this point.

00:39:47And still like, is this just how he operates?

00:39:49It's just how he operates, John.

00:39:50Like he's going to try to take every slight

00:39:52and just use it to motivate himself or push himself,

00:39:55whatever.

00:39:56Like that's, some guys do that.

00:39:58I'm just a little like, man, like still,

00:40:01still he feels slighted.

00:40:02I just wish Derek White didn't catch a stray,

00:40:05but I actually like all of this stuff for Jalen Brown

00:40:08because we've talked about this in the past, Bobby.

00:40:10I think one of the,

00:40:11a big difference between Brown and Tatum is in this mentality

00:40:15where Brown fuel, this fuels his hate fire

00:40:18and takes him to another level.

00:40:20Whereas Tatum gets a little sad and sulky

00:40:22when things aren't going well

00:40:23and he can get in his own head

00:40:24and he starts to feel sorry for himself

00:40:26or be like, you know, this or that,

00:40:28or the referee stuff.

00:40:29And whereas Brown just gets after it.

00:40:32And so like, it always takes him to another level.

00:40:34So selfishly as a Celtics fan,

00:40:36you have to want their,

00:40:38what's funny is you should never want Jalen Brown

00:40:41to get another award in your life

00:40:43if you're a Celtics fan,

00:40:44because that will keep raising his level

00:40:48higher and higher and higher because he does use it.

00:40:51He does use it to his advantage.

00:40:52So like, yeah, he's going to come back.

00:40:55He's going to come back pissed still.

00:40:58Yeah, he's still going to come back pissed.

00:41:00I want Amit to pull that clip.

00:41:02I guess he's on the red carpet talking about this now, but.

00:41:06He is, but we might have some,

00:41:08we might have some copyright issues

00:41:12with ripping something off of ESPN's broadcast.

00:41:15We might paraphrase it or Amit,

00:41:17you can put it up on a quote board as well.

00:41:21Real quick, before we're going to continue on,

00:41:23we can put a bow on the Jalen Brown conversation.

00:41:26Kari, I'll tell you also,

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00:41:31If you got to go somewhere, just say, guys,

00:41:32I got to tap out and you can go.

00:41:34Otherwise you're welcome to hang as long as you want.

00:41:36We'll shift the conversation off of Brown

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00:43:44Guys, any final thoughts on the Jalen Brown thing?

00:43:47And again, I do want to clarify, Kari,

00:43:49I do not think that this is a massive controversy.

00:43:52I think it's a, eh, we could have done better here.

00:43:56I do think the actual conversation is on whether Brown deserved it,

00:44:01but I think that conversation could have been had prior to

00:44:03White's selection.

00:44:05I just think it magnified it because, well,

00:44:08you had another, you left him off the first time,

00:44:10you had a shot to do right and you didn't.

00:44:12I am curious here.

00:44:14And again, I don't know how it's going to land.

00:44:16I don't think Derek White deep down believes Derek White,

00:44:20Jalen Brown's taking a shot at him.

00:44:23I just do think it's a little awkward and maybe not the most elegant,

00:44:26you know, response to it simply because White was put out there.

00:44:30My question is this, let's say one more spot opens up tomorrow and

00:44:34somehow it doesn't go to Brown.

00:44:39What happens, right?

00:44:42What happens there?

00:44:43You know, like, do you think he's a slam dunk for the next one?

00:44:46Or do you think his reaction now could hurt him?

00:44:51He's going to say no if they try to give it to him now.

00:44:56I do wonder though.

00:44:59You think so?

00:45:00Yeah, absolutely.

00:45:01I think that's exactly how it'll go.

00:45:03And maybe there'll be some sort of disagreement about how it laid out.

00:45:05But after this, I don't think there'll be in a rush to play for them.

00:45:09I don't even know how much he really wanted to pay for the team necessarily.

00:45:12Again, it's a static.

00:45:14Do you think you want to go to Paris and play?

00:45:17What do you think, Curry?

00:45:19Yeah, I think he wanted to play.

00:45:21Like he talked before the season that he said that he wanted to play.

00:45:24Oh yeah, that's right.

00:45:25He did.

00:45:26That's a good point.

00:45:27Right here, Bobby.

00:45:28Ready?

00:45:29Proof.

00:45:30Here it is.

00:45:31That's a great thing.

00:45:32Playing in USA basketball, I think, is no greater honor.

00:45:34I think playing for your country, you know,

00:45:37there's definitely coming from my community, coming from where I come from,

00:45:41coming from where the majority of our demographic come from,

00:45:44having the opportunity to represent that, your community,

00:45:48your outer community and the people that support you.

00:45:51I think that is a part of it as well.

00:45:54Being able to participate would be great.

00:45:58Oh, there you go.

00:46:00Look at that.

00:46:01You know, coming from a single-parent household in Georgia,

00:46:04he makes it as a top three pick in the NBA draft,

00:46:06accomplishes all of this, and he can't play for his country.

00:46:09Come on now.

00:46:10I'd be pissed if I was him.

00:46:16Oh, you're muted, John.

00:46:19I think Jalen Brown laid the groundwork for a lot of things he wanted to see

00:46:22happen this year early in the year because he just wanted to let it be known.

00:46:25Like, I play defense now.

00:46:27Start thinking about me for all defensive.

00:46:29I want to play for the Olympics,

00:46:30so don't forget about me when you go picking all those guys in the club that

00:46:33you necessarily think about.

00:46:35I think he put it out there, you know, because he wants –

00:46:38and I think part of the reason he did it is he knew this year with this super

00:46:42team that assembled, he might take a step back statistically,

00:46:46which he did, because he had no choice,

00:46:49because he had to share the ball a little bit more and he wasn't, you know,

00:46:52counted on as much.

00:46:53So his scoring took a dip.

00:46:55And honestly,

00:46:56that's probably the exact reason why a player who played better all-around

00:47:00basketball across the board by far this year than he did the year before,

00:47:05which was the best year of his career,

00:47:07and he scored 27 points a game last year putting up 20 shots a game,

00:47:11and makes second-team NBA,

00:47:13and this year is clearly an all-around better and more impactful player and

00:47:17does not.

00:47:18So he was kind of putting out there early, like, my stats might slip,

00:47:22but you got to pay attention to what's going on here.

00:47:25And he kind of backed up a lot of what he said he was going to do at the

00:47:29beginning of the year.

00:47:30His defense, his on-ball defense has always been great,

00:47:32but his team defense, he wasn't getting lost in rotations or overhelping

00:47:36or falling asleep on back doors with the same regularity that he might have

00:47:40done in the past where he'd have some lapses.

00:47:42His on-ball defense was legitimately lights out and won them games and maybe

00:47:47even won them a title.

00:47:48And his decision-making was 100 times better than it's been in years past,

00:47:53didn't force the issue, did almost everything right.

00:47:55So he did make good on a lot of his promises.

00:47:57I think he just wanted everyone to know, like, I'm real.

00:48:00Like, when it comes to selection time,

00:48:02I want you to think about all this stuff.

00:48:04So he did put it out there and he put it out there early.

00:48:06And he wanted it.

00:48:07Think about how many of these dudes get picked and don't even want to play.

00:48:10And Jalen wants to play and they're not even letting him play.

00:48:13I know.

00:48:14He wanted it.

00:48:15I do feel bad because it's not – it's hard, man.

00:48:18It's every four years and it's like a really tough, tight process.

00:48:21And, you know, you never know.

00:48:23And he wasn't at the last one, right?

00:48:25Yeah, you never know where you're at the next time through.

00:48:27And that's going to bug him some too, Khary.

00:48:30Don't you think?

00:48:31Like, it's – you know, there's always been the Tatum is one and Brown is two.

00:48:35Call it one and one A.

00:48:37This is that first year, particularly in the playoffs,

00:48:39where like it's like we're much closer than people think here.

00:48:45There was a long stretch of time going right through the end of last year

00:48:48where you're like, all right, it's Tatum and Brown.

00:48:51Like Tatum's the tone setter.

00:48:53He's just a little bit more skilled.

00:48:55He's – yeah.

00:48:56It's got to bug him some, right?

00:48:58The Tatum is the default.

00:49:00I don't even have to think about it.

00:49:02Set it and forget it.

00:49:04First team all the NBA.

00:49:06Obvious selection to the Olympics without any thought going into it.

00:49:11And Brown is omitted outright.

00:49:13That's got to be a little bit tough, right?

00:49:16Oh, yeah, for sure.

00:49:18I mean, I'm sure in Jalen's mind he's like, I'm right there with that dude.

00:49:22Like, I'm sure if you asked Jalen and he gave you the real –

00:49:25like if you had a couple drinks with Jalen,

00:49:27he'd be like, I'm right there with Tatum.

00:49:29Like, you know, if you got some –

00:49:32He is set as such, right?

00:49:34You know, the quote I keep going back to is when I'd ask him about like Tatum

00:49:38getting the double teams and he'd be like, I get double team too.

00:49:43Like I see those kind of coverages too.

00:49:45Like, you know, you get a little bit of that

00:49:47and that's just a little bit of competitiveness, I think.

00:49:49I don't think any of this manifests itself, as John said earlier in the show,

00:49:54in issues or some of the stuff we've talked about in the past

00:49:58with the team dynamic here.

00:50:00Because honestly, if you're Jalen, you can come out

00:50:03and pick anybody across the board on that team.

00:50:05Just like you said Tatum should have done with his answer there, John.

00:50:08And Brad honestly should have came out and said,

00:50:10I should be there over in Bede.

00:50:13And everyone would have loved it.

00:50:16Yeah, I mean, yeah.

00:50:18Yeah, no doubt.

00:50:19We do have, I believe, at least the quote.

00:50:25That's all he said.

00:50:26He showed up.

00:50:27He was there.

00:50:29Asked about the USA snub.

00:50:30I got no comment.

00:50:31That's it.

00:50:32That's all he said.

00:50:33So we're not going to get anything for it tonight,

00:50:35but Jalen Brown wins an ESPY.

00:50:37So he got something.

00:50:39He got something here.

00:50:40He didn't get the Olympics, got an ESPY.

00:50:43So I don't know.

00:50:45Not even consolation.

00:50:46Let's wrap it up here and move on.

00:50:50Just a couple other nuggets we wanted to hit on.

00:50:54Team USA without Jalen Brown, without Kawhi Leonard,

00:50:58without Derek White, who had yet to join the team,

00:51:00played their first game last night against Canada,

00:51:04who most people think probably has the,

00:51:09you know, at least the most NBA.

00:51:11I mean, they have the most NBA talent on their roster

00:51:14and probably one of the teams that could challenge them.

00:51:17They beat them last year at the Worlds.

00:51:19Granted, that team was maybe kind of a overall third sort

00:51:25of string team that the USA cobbled together

00:51:28and nowhere near this one.

00:51:30Your thoughts on watching them play?

00:51:32They were rusty.

00:51:33They turned it over.

00:51:34They didn't shoot the ball well,

00:51:35and they still kind of cruised to an easy victory.

00:51:39What you saw in Team USA, what you saw from Tatum,

00:51:42who all he did was drive to the basket,

00:51:45make quick decisions, no pull-up contested twos.

00:51:51Yeah, I loved it.

00:51:52I didn't see him take a jump shot all night.

00:51:55All he did was just put his head down

00:51:57and go to the rim again and again and again.

00:52:00It's the extreme version, right?

00:52:03Tatum's not going to come out

00:52:04and shoot zero threes in NBA games, nor should he.

00:52:07But it does go back to the conversation we had

00:52:10the other night, John, where it's like if he played

00:52:12with a level of physicality that consistently,

00:52:15if that was his role in the offense,

00:52:17and it's great to be able to play one-on-one, right?

00:52:19There's not as much attention on him in this kind of setting,

00:52:22but you get this kind of efficiency from him

00:52:25because he's just that dynamic around the basket.

00:52:28I love this.

00:52:29It's going to be fun to watch.

00:52:30I think he's probably going to have one

00:52:31of the larger impacts on this team.

00:52:33It's interesting he comes off the bench carry, right?

00:52:35I think that was a little unexpected in favor of Holiday.

00:52:38I don't know if that's actually going to last

00:52:40into the real games, but his role looked awesome out there,

00:52:44especially he's defending centers.

00:52:46He gets that steal on Olenek.

00:52:48The transition game's real strong there,

00:52:50and there's just no settling.

00:52:51That last play of the half, Shea,

00:52:53maybe he steps back there on the Celtics

00:52:56and takes that three over him,

00:52:57but he just shakes them and goes right by him and finishes.

00:53:00He had a strong transition finish.

00:53:02This is one of my favorite Tatum games I've watched

00:53:04in a while here just because of how aggressive he was.

00:53:07That's got to go match-up by match-up, right, Bobby?

00:53:10I don't think you permanently pencil Drew in

00:53:13as a starter on that team.

00:53:15I think that if you have a game where you're like,

00:53:18okay, having Drew's defense and versatility in there

00:53:22can give us a serious advantage versus you face a team

00:53:26where you might need a little more offense,

00:53:28I think you can go to some other weapons.

00:53:30I think he starts. I think Holiday starts.

00:53:32Really? Oh, he's riding it out.

00:53:34Well, I think he does.

00:53:36One, there's deference to the olds,

00:53:38as you can see in that first unit,

00:53:40and I think Durant slides in ahead of Booker

00:53:42in that starting lineup, and they might keep

00:53:44that second unit intact.

00:53:45Holiday looked pretty good, too.

00:53:47That was youth and energy, but I think the reason Holiday

00:53:49continues to start there is playing alongside Curry,

00:53:51you want to be able to have somebody

00:53:53who can hold up defensively,

00:53:55so Curry's the only one you might have to hide out there.

00:53:57So I think if Curry is in that starting backcourt,

00:53:59I wouldn't be stunned if Holiday starts along with him,

00:54:02and that's going to be your balance there.

00:54:04That second unit stands alone, especially the frontcourt.

00:54:07That was unbelievable.

00:54:09That frigging defensive frontcourt that you had.

00:54:11Davis and Bam. Bam, Anthony Davis, and Tatum.

00:54:14Oh, my God. That is really tough, man.

00:54:19And that's where the game really went sideways for Canada.

00:54:23Those guys got out there, and it got so difficult to score,

00:54:26and then you had Edwards' energy

00:54:28and just the overall athleticism of that second unit.

00:54:31I wouldn't be stunned if that's how they moved that.

00:54:33I do think you could see Durant sliding in

00:54:35and Booker jumping into that second unit.

00:54:37Then you're going to be left with whatever you're left with,

00:54:39which is kind of White picking up the pieces.

00:54:42I go back to the Jalen Brown conversation.

00:54:44I do wonder, would he have been comfortable

00:54:46in that role of six minutes a game, five minutes a game,

00:54:49seven minutes a game?

00:54:51I'm not sure if that is the role he was going to play.

00:54:55You can argue like, no, make Booker play six minutes a game

00:54:58and have Jalen go in there with that second unit.

00:55:01But if that's how they have it in their mind's eye,

00:55:03you're bringing a guy in late.

00:55:05He's not coming in to play over people.

00:55:07You think he's coming in to kind of go to the back of the rotation

00:55:10and wait for their number to be called.

00:55:15Yeah, I guess that's the tough part about it,

00:55:17and White maybe accepts that a little bit more than Brown.

00:55:19I guess that's one of the arguments you can make if you're Hill here.

00:55:22Oh, and Halliburton is in the second unit, yeah.

00:55:25Yeah, I mean, Brown should be out there over Halliburton,

00:55:28as Kari said at the top of the show, in this kind of lineup, right?

00:55:31Because Halliburton didn't have the ball in his hands at the time.

00:55:33I know he led the team in assists last night,

00:55:36so he's got that passing and ball handling element.

00:55:39And he's the obvious play card of that second unit.

00:55:41I don't know who's running the show there

00:55:44if you don't have Halliburton running with them at that point, right?

00:55:47That's also where White comes into play there

00:55:49because that's another person who would end up being a primary ball handler

00:55:54if he's out there at times.

00:55:56And then Booker would probably slide back in there

00:55:58with KD back in the mix there

00:56:00because KD will probably start if he's healthy.

00:56:02So it'd be KD, in your scenario, John, Curry, Holiday,

00:56:06well, Brown and Embiid.

00:56:10Man, Embiid kind of stunk, huh?

00:56:12What was up with that?

00:56:14He looked bad.

00:56:16He fouled them in the third corner.

00:56:19He got stopped twice by who's the guy on Canada there?

00:56:23The former Celtic, Powell.

00:56:25Powell, Powell.

00:56:26Powell stopped him twice to start the game.

00:56:28I don't know what that was all about, Embiid, out there.

00:56:32And then Davis and Bam, as you said, were great.

00:56:35I don't know.

00:56:36It's how it usually is for this team, right, when they have the full mix.

00:56:39It's a little sloppy.

00:56:40They're looking like they're having trouble playing together early,

00:56:42and then it's like, oh, crap, they have 10 deep of all-stars,

00:56:45and the other team, as good as they might be,

00:56:47doesn't have that kind of bench.

00:56:49So that's where it's going to go sideways for some of these other teams

00:56:52when they go up against the U.S.

00:56:54Like, I'm interested in what Serbia can do.

00:56:56They probably don't have the depth.

00:56:58France is interesting, right?

00:57:00Wembinyama is going to show them something,

00:57:02but do they have the depth?

00:57:03I don't know.

00:57:04Yeah, Wembiid.

00:57:06What would you guys give to have last night's officials

00:57:10referee the next Celtics-Sixers game with Embiid?

00:57:14That would be terrific.

00:57:17No deference to his bullshit at all.

00:57:20He said 5,012 minutes and a technical.

00:57:23It's unbelievable.

00:57:25That's the thing.

00:57:26Every four years, you get that FIBA officiating,

00:57:28and everyone's like, whoa, this is different.

00:57:30The travels, everyone's traveling, and it's getting called.

00:57:32It's different.

00:57:35But I love this.

00:57:36I love this thing.

00:57:37Every couple years, I've come to love the World Cup, too, here.

00:57:40I'm interested to see if the world can compete,

00:57:42because like you said, John, Canada had a shot there with that mix,

00:57:45and they really hit a wall after the first quarter.

00:57:49Yeah, that was tough.

00:57:53I can't see – I mean, again, can't see this team.

00:57:55Where's O'Shea?

00:57:56They needed O'Shea.

00:57:59He's working on his game.

00:58:00He's working on his free agency.

00:58:02Yeah.

00:58:04How does that go?

00:58:05What do you do to work on free agency?

00:58:09A lot of YouTube videos.

00:58:12Call my agent and be like, hey, what's going on?

00:58:16Yeah.

00:58:17So Team USA, I love this offseason.

00:58:20I really do, because, again, I've said this a million times.

00:58:23As someone who – and, again, like you do, Kari,

00:58:25and we were talking about it before we got on the air here.

00:58:28We cover all sports, not just one sport, even if we have concentrations.

00:58:33Filling that gap and that void between the end of winter sports season

00:58:37or winter sports team relevance, however long your team is in the conversation,

00:58:41the Celtics have never gotten out of the conversation, which is beautiful,

00:58:45and with so many of them as part of the Olympic team moving on,

00:58:48there's just so much to talk about.

00:58:50In addition to this, it's our first – I'm not going to say –

00:58:54it's the first Vegas Summer League to be excited about in a little bit

00:59:00simply because you have a first-round draft pick, which you don't always have,

00:59:04and you have a second-round draft pick.

00:59:06You haven't had one under Stevens.

00:59:07You haven't had one under Stevens,

00:59:08and you have a second-round draft pick from a year ago

00:59:10who might be counted upon to be a fixture on the roster this year.

00:59:15Actually, I'm not going to say necessarily play or contribute,

00:59:18but you never know when a leap is made.

00:59:21This is a team that hasn't had a youth infusion in a bit, right?

00:59:26Peyton Pritchard is the last drafted player to really be doing anything for this team.

00:59:30And he was old.

00:59:32Yeah.

00:59:34But it's not just that.

00:59:36I mean, again, they drafted older players.

00:59:39Their first two picks are both 23.

00:59:42What is it?

00:59:43Shireman is 18 months younger than Tatum or something?

00:59:46Yeah.

00:59:47He's going to turn 24.

00:59:48But more meaning like you need new blood, right?

00:59:51And they have some here.

00:59:54Again, we're entering this.

00:59:58Who do you want to see here?

00:59:59Obviously, there's the rookie here, but, like, who are you most excited for

01:00:02and what are you hoping to get out of this?

01:00:04Bobby Manning will be covering the team here, so we'll get Bobby's thoughts.

01:00:07But, Kyrie, what are you, like, super interested in seeing here?

01:00:09Is it Shireman?

01:00:12Yeah, I definitely want to see Shireman because, like, you know,

01:00:15the Celtics take more threes than anybody,

01:00:17and you can add a pretty good shooter to the mix, you know,

01:00:21a nice little lefty switch-up option.

01:00:23I think that will be real fun to see.

01:00:25Obviously, you want to see both Jordan and Nemi for sure.

01:00:29I think Nemi is real interesting as a prospect just because of his size

01:00:32and athleticism.

01:00:34And then you want to see if J.D. Davidson can make the leap

01:00:36because his situation is starting to get kind of, you know, dicey.

01:00:39Like, he was a free agent and they brought him back, but, like, you know,

01:00:42he's been in the system for a couple years now,

01:00:44and it's kind of getting to the point, like, oh, like,

01:00:47where is he going to play, like, you know?

01:00:50Who are you bullish on, though?

01:00:52Like, put it this way, let's go into bold prediction mode.

01:00:56You know, Summer League is always – you get Summer League all-stars,

01:00:59people play well, people don't play well.

01:01:01It doesn't necessarily – it's not necessarily representative

01:01:03on whether or not you're going to be able to do anything that year

01:01:07or in the future.

01:01:08But it sure would be nice, right, if, like, it happened.

01:01:14You know, this is a tough rotation to crack.

01:01:16They're running back a championship team that has a pretty set

01:01:20one through nine rotation.

01:01:22It's hard to do something that's going to get you in there.

01:01:25I mean, is this all, okay, let's see if maybe they made the right choice

01:01:29for somebody who's going to hopefully help them in a year or two?

01:01:32Or is there any world in which anybody who's going to be participating

01:01:35in this league could be somebody who's going to be somebody

01:01:38we're talking about during the season next season?

01:01:41And who do you think of all those people might be?

01:01:43Like, whether it be Keita or Walsh or Shireman,

01:01:46any of these guys someone we're going to be talking about

01:01:48during the year as well?

01:01:51I mean, I don't know, man.

01:01:53They're so deep that it's just hard to see anyone

01:01:56really cracking the rotation.

01:01:58I think that these dudes are going to be very good in the G League

01:02:02and contend for a G League title.

01:02:04That's what I think.

01:02:06You know, I mean, Keita played some this year.

01:02:10Maybe we could see some Jordan Walsh.

01:02:12But I think in general I'm excited to see Baylor-Shireman's game

01:02:17and what he can bring.

01:02:19Keita is the guy who should probably dominate so much

01:02:23that he's sitting after a game or two, right?

01:02:25This hurts you, Bobby, right?

01:02:28JD?

01:02:30No. Keita.

01:02:33Is this the year Keita supplants Luke in that 9?

01:02:38Well, he's in a good situation this summer because last summer

01:02:41he was hurt, right, coming in?

01:02:43Right after the preseason he hurt that foot again,

01:02:45but in July a year ago he broke his foot last summer.

01:02:49So he didn't have a summer going into the year,

01:02:52and that hurt him.

01:02:53He got aggravated again going into the year.

01:02:55So he really entered that first month of the season pretty hobbled.

01:02:59And now this year you're actually going to have some minutes there,

01:03:02as Kari mentioned, with Porzingis out,

01:03:04and maybe there's some injuries to other guys

01:03:06or rest needed in that frontcourt.

01:03:08If you're having a night in the back-to-backs early where Horford's out

01:03:11and it's Cornette, Tillman, and Keita,

01:03:15Keita's probably going to play in a matchup where Cornette's not a good fit

01:03:19because Cornette's so matchup-dependent there.

01:03:21So he's definitely a guy you look at here.

01:03:24They've run back on a three-year deal like they did Hauser a couple years ago.

01:03:27He was so dominant in the G League.

01:03:30You always talk about those 4A players, John.

01:03:32He's not a Chile guy.

01:03:34He should not be a summer league guy.

01:03:36Yeah, he's probably going to average a double-double here in summer league.

01:03:39Keita shouldn't be out there.

01:03:41You're right.

01:03:43But is he ready to contribute at the NBA level is what you always ask,

01:03:48even for guys who dominate to that degree.

01:03:50So I like his presence out there because it's going to free up other guys.

01:03:54Shireman should get some open shots off him.

01:03:57Walsh, you want him knocking down shots on the perimeter.

01:04:01All these other guys should benefit by his presence out there.

01:04:04The guy I'll actually throw into the mix here is Watson, who, again,

01:04:07older, a little bit more polished maybe in terms of his defensive skills

01:04:12at the very least.

01:04:13And they just keep saying, like McClay said it and Brad said it

01:04:16right after they drafted him, if he just fires away from three

01:04:20and is confident from out there, you might have something here,

01:04:23even though he was that deep, deep second-round pick

01:04:25because the defense is so good, John.

01:04:27I know we didn't talk about him, but in Vecini's draft guide,

01:04:31he said this is the only guy in this class who can legitimately say

01:04:35he can guard one through five.

01:04:37And obviously KOC made the Horford comparison in that role.

01:04:41So that excites me.

01:04:43Does he come out there and hit 38% from three because he finally has

01:04:46the green light?

01:04:47That would be big because, again, there's a frontcourt opening here.

01:04:50There's room for minutes with Korzingis out.

01:04:53That's, I mean, again, it's easier said than done at the NBA level.

01:04:57If you can defend your position or defend multiple positions

01:05:02and knock down open shots, there is a spot for you regardless

01:05:05of where you were drafted and your experience level.

01:05:09That's all it takes.

01:05:11And, again, that's what you were hoping you would have

01:05:14with Jordan Walsh, and you're still hoping.

01:05:17His ability to defend, he's got a great wingspan.

01:05:21Walsh still feels just a little young.

01:05:23But he's a little green, right?

01:05:26Yeah.

01:05:27Feels it.

01:05:28Little young, still needs a little more meat on his bones,

01:05:31but you definitely feel that he's got the athleticism

01:05:34to be able to stay there.

01:05:36But I still wonder whether he's off.

01:05:38And that's what's interesting about drafting those older guys

01:05:41is the expectation when you draft.

01:05:43At the end of the draft, you're always faced with that kind

01:05:46of question or dilemma.

01:05:48Do I take the draft and stash Euro at 18 years old and hope that,

01:05:54you know, they come back in a couple of years

01:05:56and they turn into something?

01:05:57And I'm not going to, you know, the Yabuseles and the Yamadars

01:06:00and this and that.

01:06:01I mean, granted, a couple of those are second-rounders.

01:06:03But Yabu is a frigging number 16 overall pick

01:06:05or whatever the hell he was.

01:06:06He was supposed to be French Draymond's green,

01:06:09but that didn't turn out.

01:06:12But, you know, you get the draft and stash or the guys

01:06:15with the unlimited potential who you don't know if they can play

01:06:17a lick but the ceiling is high, or old guys who are supposed

01:06:21to be able to come in now-ish.

01:06:23You're not supposed to keep 24-year-old dudes on ice

01:06:27for three years and then see if they can play at 27, 28.

01:06:30The idea is you're a man.

01:06:32Get out there and show me what you can do.

01:06:35Yeah.

01:06:36Don Shireman, I've, you know, asked around a little bit on that.

01:06:39And I think there is a little bit of thinking that on injury night,

01:06:42on a rest night, he could play a little bit for this team.

01:06:45He's ready to go.

01:06:46And, obviously, O'Shea and Shafee are still sitting there

01:06:48in free agency in that kind of role.

01:06:51The passing with him is exciting.

01:06:54You see him on the tape and just he's really dishing the ball around.

01:06:58And that's a secondary skill that even Hauser doesn't really have.

01:07:01So this was definitely an exciting pick for them.

01:07:04This is a guy who I think could come out and really wow in summer league.

01:07:07I think he was still a surprise.

01:07:10He was there at 30.

01:07:11And he was talking about that at practice the other day.

01:07:13It was like I thought I was probably a little higher

01:07:16than where I went there.

01:07:17But he expected to go on the first day, and he ended up

01:07:20being the last pick of the first day.

01:07:22Is there any little bit of slight he carries in the summer league?

01:07:25And does he really try to go off of that?

01:07:27I think this is a guy that could be in that mix for like a summer league MVP.

01:07:31I think he's going to be that just explosive here.

01:07:35Like Carly said, this is a guy who has the green light to shoot threes.

01:07:38He has that kind of shooting ability.

01:07:40He'll be taking 9, 10, 11, 12 a game in this summer league from deep.

01:07:45And he's got range, too, which is something you can't say

01:07:48about all the guys coming out of the draft.

01:07:50So he's definitely someone to watch as well.

01:07:54It probably is a little early to say he'll be playing for this kind of team

01:07:58just because of Hauser's presence.

01:08:00And Pritchard's still a huge factor here off this bench.

01:08:03But can he be Spie?

01:08:05Can he be Brissette?

01:08:06Like he's a really good rebounder, John, 9 a game.

01:08:09That might be something he has to do if those guys walk.

01:08:13Yeah.

01:08:14The 15th spot on this team might just be luxury tax saving.

01:08:19I think luxury tax saving slash let's see what kind of is left

01:08:23at the end of the day.

01:08:24And if somebody wants to take the gallow deal to come here or less,

01:08:28whatever they can afford because they want to latch

01:08:30onto a championship team or you leave it open and you get somebody

01:08:35right before the season starts, maybe.

01:08:37Or it might be luxury tax again.

01:08:39We'll know.

01:08:40We didn't talk about the ownership situation at all

01:08:41because we've been talking about it a great deal.

01:08:43But Kari, I'll give you a shot at that.

01:08:45If there's anything you wanted to add to the situation

01:08:47with the Celtics, you know, selling the team.

01:08:51It's the other hot story of the offseason,

01:08:53which again is going to be a hot story of just ongoing

01:08:57up until that first 51% stake goes.

01:09:01I mean, sure.

01:09:02I mean, it was just shocking, right?

01:09:03I think Tatum said that, like, you know, you win that title,

01:09:06you get banner 18.

01:09:07You're thinking Wiccan them are in it for the long haul.

01:09:10And just to hear that the family is selling the shares and it's some

01:09:13kind of estate planning thing.

01:09:15I'm like, oh, that's lame.

01:09:17But like, you know, I guess I can't tell billionaires to do

01:09:20with their money.

01:09:21And it was also, you know, some of the Globes reporting,

01:09:23what's interesting on that with Shaughnessy Column.

01:09:25Shaughnessy brought it.

01:09:27Yeah.

01:09:28He brought the heat.

01:09:29Talking about how Wic doesn't own as much of the team

01:09:31as you think he does.

01:09:32Not just not as much.

01:09:34Yeah.

01:09:35Yeah.

01:09:36Yeah.

01:09:38So.

01:09:40That's a great report.

01:09:42Yeah.

01:09:43Hats off to scoop.

01:09:44Scoop Shaughnessy for, for, for, for, for dropping that one.

01:09:48But yeah, very interesting to see what goes on here with that 51%.

01:09:51A lot of people have theories that that 51% just goes to the 49%.

01:09:55Plus two.

01:09:56And there's some continuity.

01:09:57That would be the easiest thing for everyone involved.

01:09:59And if they said it's going to be resolved fairly soon,

01:10:01maybe we do have a chance.

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01:10:45All right.

01:10:46Last question I'll ask.

01:10:47I'll ask you, Kari.

01:10:48So we talk about team selections and how subjective it is.

01:10:51I want you to pick your five all-stars for the Celtics media.

01:10:58Celtics beat media pickup basketball team.

01:11:01I want you to come up with your starting five.

01:11:03All right.

01:11:05Don't be afraid to pick yourself.

01:11:07I'm putting J King number one overall.

01:11:11I think J King is nice with it.

01:11:14He can play for real, you know.

01:11:18I'll put, let's see.

01:11:23I'll go with Corrales.

01:11:25Corrales can ball.

01:11:26We need a big for sure.

01:11:28So I'll put Corrales at the five, you know.

01:11:31I think Noah's underrated.

01:11:34I think she got some J's, you know.

01:11:37You know who's actually surprisingly?

01:11:40J King.

01:11:42J is one.

01:11:44J is one.

01:11:45He's one for sure.

01:11:47J, John, Noah.

01:11:48Yep.

01:11:49You know who's surprising as a shooter?

01:11:52Justin Turpin can really shoot.

01:11:54They tell me.

01:11:55He can shoot it.

01:11:57He can shoot it.

01:11:58He was out here running around trying to call himself Sam Houser.

01:12:00Like that was.

01:12:02I was surprised.

01:12:03I was very surprised.

01:12:04Yeah, yeah.

01:12:06And then let's see.

01:12:07Who else?

01:12:08As a five?

01:12:09I don't know, man.

01:12:11Who would you give the fifth spot to, Bobby?

01:12:14You want to give it to yourself, don't you?

01:12:16I mean, I can play a little bit.

01:12:19But I'm also, you know.

01:12:20I had some injuries.

01:12:22I had a little calf thing like Chris Stapps did at the end of the playoffs.

01:12:26He played through it though in Indy.

01:12:28Yeah, he fought through.

01:12:30Let's give the point guard spot to our guy, Joe Sway.

01:12:35I thought Joe Sway looked good with the ball in his hands.

01:12:38Richie can play too, actually.

01:12:40Rich, yeah.

01:12:41No, that's a good point.

01:12:42Richie can play.

01:12:44Rich has the handles and the floater.

01:12:46So I want him at the point of attack.

01:12:48So, yeah, let's go Rich.

01:12:50The youth.

01:12:51Youth is served with Richie and Noah.

01:12:53Rich, Noah, Justin, Corrales, and who's?

01:13:00Oh, Jay.

01:13:01All right, give me a critique, Bobby.

01:13:04So Bobby just Jalen Browned Joe Sway right there.

01:13:10He just sideswiped his own guy.

01:13:13Hey, Rich is our guy too.

01:13:16I know.

01:13:19That's exactly what he is.

01:13:21Why did Bobby do a tantrum right now when he said that?

01:13:24That's bullshit.

01:13:27I don't think Joe Sway would have a problem with picking Rich.

01:13:30Rich really showed out out there.

01:13:33I remember when we were in the early garden days and going down and,

01:13:36you know, shooting around a little bit.

01:13:38Joe Sway's got a little twitch, you know.

01:13:40I like his handle.

01:13:41I like his fastening, yeah.

01:13:43But Rich can really shoot.

01:13:45Rich has a great floater.

01:13:47We're going to give it to him and, you know, I'll have to keep working.

01:13:50Yeah.

01:13:52Yeah.

01:13:53All right.

01:13:54So that's what we got.

01:13:55We'll try to.

01:13:56I've talked about trying to.

01:13:57I'd love to.

01:13:58We got something cooking.

01:13:59I'll tell everybody later, but we will.

01:14:01Hopefully there'll be some, some more games in the future coming up here.

01:14:04But yeah, once again, thanks to Kari Thompson, Boston.com.

01:14:07You want to follow him on Twitter and all of his written stuff covering all

01:14:10Boston sports comprehensively.

01:14:13And as we said,

01:14:14he's going to be switching over from a lot of selfless coverage,

01:14:16a lot of Patriots coverage, which is going to be super hot very soon.

01:14:19And we're talking about camp is now 13 days away.

01:14:22It's less than two weeks until we're out there in Foxborough.

01:14:24Obviously our guys.

01:14:26Yeah, man.

01:14:27It's Taylor.

01:14:28Kyle's my Catholic.

01:14:29I might even send Bobby.

01:14:30I've sent Bobby on occasion before our cup runneth over though.

01:14:33We've got a lot of people out there and we'll be out there on mass,

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01:14:37So follow us over a Patriots press pass as well,

01:14:39but make sure you keep up with Kari Thompson,

01:14:41who will be reporting on all sports all the time,

01:14:44particularly the Patriots is going to be a really interesting and fun camp

01:14:47for them.

01:14:48And before, you know,

01:14:49we're back with the Celtics and it all starts over again, which is great.

01:14:55It's the best thing about it.

01:14:56The best thing about working in this business and in this town.

01:14:58So thank you guys for joining us here on a random Thursday night here on

01:15:02the garden report.

01:15:04As we said, breaking news, we'll pop back up here.

01:15:06Otherwise we may call it quits for the week,

01:15:08but Bobby and I are going to be doing some stuff in and around summer league

01:15:10games, which the first one's in a couple of days.

01:15:12So Bobby, what time?

01:15:13Saturday.

01:15:14630 Eastern.

01:15:15All right.

01:15:16We will do, we'll do a post game garden report after that game.

01:15:19Once Bobby gets his stuff done,

01:15:20it might not happen right after the final whistle because Bobby's got to do

01:15:23some gathering, but we will recap that game.

01:15:25So look for notifications on that,

01:15:27but we'll bring you something on Saturday night.

01:15:28Follow up.

01:15:29First,

01:15:30very good.

01:15:34Thank you guys again for watching.

01:15:35It's always a pleasure having you guys here in the chat.

01:15:37Contributing to the conversation.

01:15:39And we will see you guys as soon as I can find my outro.

01:15:43Uh, next time.

01:15:44Bye.

01:15:45I'm going to get an outro for us.

01:15:47I think.

01:15:48No, he doesn't.

01:15:49He said he was going to work on an outro.

01:15:50He had a phenomenal game.

01:15:53I think it's an option.

01:15:58That did not sound like a chair.

01:16:03It was a freaking chair.

01:16:05It does sound like a chair.

01:16:06It does sound like a chair.

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