" Hukoomat Ko Koi Jaldi Nahi Thi, Agar Jaldi Hoti To. .." Rehnuma Noon League Bilal Azhar Kayani
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00:00Bilal Azhar Qayani sahab, what has the government done?
00:03If they were in a hurry, it's been 45 days since the new Chief Justice has arrived,
00:08then this work could have been done easily.
00:10They were in such a hurry, we thought that all the work would be done by tomorrow night.
00:13Then Maulana sahab went and neither the amendment could be passed,
00:17nor was the compensation given. Why?
00:20In the name of Allah, thank you very much for inviting me to your show.
00:23Look, first of all, as per my statement, the compensation is with them since yesterday.
00:29Are you saying that they have come in a hurry?
00:31No, as per my statement, I am telling you that it was with them since yesterday.
00:37In the last few days, it's not that it's been a long time, but it was with them.
00:41The second thing is that the verbal conversation,
00:45you saw that our leadership also went to them, the Chief Justice also went,
00:49teams were coming and going, meetings were going on, so a basic conversation was going on.
00:55I think that there was a hope that these matters would be resolved by tomorrow
01:02and it would be put to an end by tomorrow.
01:04Who was the source of this hope?
01:06But the request is that even if it's not,
01:08and if Maulana sahab thinks that there should be more discussion on this,
01:11then there is no harm in that either.
01:13But tell me, this hope that you spoke to Maulana sahab,
01:16who were you hoping from?
01:18From the government, from Shaba Sharif sahab, from the Chief Justice?
01:21This was as a result of the discussions that were going on between the communities,
01:25including Maulana sahab.
01:27Anyway, the thing is that this is a constitutional amendment,
01:30and if they think that there should be more discussion on this,
01:33then of course there can be.
01:35We have said that even today, you saw on the floor of the House,
01:38you also heard the words of Azam Tarar sahab and Khawaja Asif sahab,
01:41you also heard the words of Irfan Siddiqui sahab in the committee last evening.
01:44So in the coming days, there will be more deliberation on this on the committee.
01:48There are constitutional courts, etc.
01:50He said that there are no objections.
01:52I am sure there will be debate on the details.
01:54There are some other measures with which he might object.
01:57Anyway, these are all the things that we think are pending for a long time.
02:01Some remaining parts of the 18th Charter of Democracy,
02:04which have not been implemented so far,
02:06or they could not be made a part of the constitution practically.
02:09But then the deadlock came on this.
02:11First, they are saying that they did not get a chance.
02:13You are saying that according to your information,
02:15they did not get a chance.
02:17One or two days ago, they should not have demanded that we do not have a constitution.
02:21Anyway, this is the matter.
02:23But whether the constitution went or not,
02:25whatever the case was,
02:27until they said yes,
02:29why was the government in such a hurry that we passed it on Saturday or Sunday?
02:31No, no.
02:33Is this not bad optics?
02:35No, no.
02:37If they were in such a hurry,
02:39then the constitution would have been approved in the cabinet.
02:41There were other ways.
02:43No, no.
02:46If there is a political agreement on it,
02:48then the government had to take it to the cabinet.
02:50Once it is approved by the cabinet,
02:52then it has to come to the assemblies or both the houses.
02:54It has to come to one of the houses first.
02:56National Assembly or Senate.
02:58Because the matter was not tied up,
03:00that is why it was not taken to the cabinet.
03:02If there was a hurry,
03:04then we would have taken the matter to the cabinet.
03:06There was no hurry.
03:08There was definitely a hope that
03:10there would be an agreement before that.
03:12If for some reason,
03:14there is a need for some time,
03:16then there is no harm in it.
03:18The second thing is that you said that
03:20it is not a matter of victory or defeat.
03:22No, no.
03:24This is a matter of constitutional amendments.
03:26We have proposed a package on this.
03:28It is amazing that you are trying to get a consensus.
03:30If you had tried to get this consensus earlier,
03:32then what would have happened?
03:34No, no.
03:36We found out yesterday
03:38that Maulana Sahib is trying to convince
03:40the other parties of the opposition.
03:43Akhtar Mahengal Sahib has to make a call.
03:45A constitutional amendment is only passed
03:47when two-thirds of the National Assembly
03:49and two-thirds of the Senate
03:51pass it separately.
03:53There cannot be a more political agreement
03:55than this.
03:57To pass anything.
03:59There was a debate on the 18th amendment
04:01for 355 hours.
04:03Mr. Bilal, tell me how many debates
04:05were there on this?
04:07Prior to placing it in the House,
04:09there was a lot of discussion.
04:11Mr. Khurshid Shah is chairing
04:13the Parliamentary Committee.
04:15There have been other sessions on this.
04:17There will be more discussions
04:19in the coming days.
04:21The fundamental point is that
04:23this is not a political issue.
04:25This is a matter of
04:27how you can improve the way
04:29the judges speak.
04:31There is a parliamentary representation
04:33of the opposition and the Treasury.
04:35There is a constitutional court
04:37which was a part of the Charter of Democracy.
04:40The constitutional cases
04:42will be taken to a special court.
04:44Mr. Sumrath has said
04:46that he has no objection to this.
04:48The existing Supreme Court and
04:50High Court cases will be taken
04:52to a special court
04:54where the cases of common people
04:56are delayed.
04:58Mr. Bilal Azhar Kiani,
05:00now what?
05:02Now that the time has come,
05:04the case has gone to the Supreme Court
05:06and the Supreme Court.
05:08Do you think the Vokla movement
05:10should take the case
05:12to a different level?
05:14The Vokla movement should give
05:16their own opinion.
05:18They should be given
05:20their input.
05:22I will disagree with Mr. Niazi.
05:24He gave an example
05:26which you mentioned.
05:28The amendment of the Constitution
05:30and the passing of the case
05:32to the National Assembly
05:34and the Senate separately
05:37is only the right of the Parliament.
05:39It is not possible that
05:41because the Supreme Court
05:43does not like a law,
05:45they can strike it down.
05:47But a law should not be made.
05:49If a law is made,
05:51then it will be rejected.
05:53How can they entertain
05:55a law that has not been made?
05:57Even if it is made,
05:59they can entertain it
06:01by striking down a law
06:03made by the Parliament
06:05Just on this particular point,
06:07the practice and procedure bill
06:09that he gave as an example
06:11is an example of a mistake
06:13by the Supreme Court.
06:15They entertained a bill
06:17and gave a statement
06:19on it.
06:21The Supreme Court
06:23does not have the right
06:25to strike down
06:27the legislation
06:29of the Parliament.
06:31Yes, if a bill has been made
06:34and you can prove
06:36that it is contrary
06:38to the legislation,
06:40then you can strike it down.
06:42But the counter question is
06:44that there are pillars
06:46of the state
06:48and you are one of them.
06:50If they cannot intervene
06:52in your work,
06:54then you cannot intervene in their work.
06:56No, there is a big difference.
06:58The Parliament was the one
07:00who made the legislation
07:02Parliament is the mother
07:04of all institutions.
07:06How you are doing that matters.
07:08You can debate on that.
07:10But to strike down the legislation
07:12or to talk about it
07:14or to have a discussion
07:16with the Parliament
07:18and to entertain
07:20a case on it,
07:22I don't think that they have
07:24that space.
07:26As far as your arguments
07:28are concerned,
07:31the Supreme Court
07:33agreed to the practice
07:35and procedure bill
07:37and today it is an act.
07:39The Supreme Court
07:41has been democratized
07:43and now there are
07:45three judges
07:47who will decide
07:49on the motor powers
07:51or on the bench formation.
07:53We will convince
07:55the members of the National Assembly
07:57and Senate
07:59to vote on the bill
08:01when two thirds
08:03of both houses
08:05will vote on it.
08:07We will convince the members
08:09to vote on the bill
08:11when two thirds
08:13of both houses
08:15will vote on it.
08:17How long will it take
08:19to convince the members?
08:21I think it is hard to say.
08:23I want it to happen as soon as possible.
08:25I am sure the Jamaats will also want it to happen.
08:28Obviously, there is some confusion
08:30and that is why the session
08:32has been delayed.
08:34Naturally, there is a committee
08:36but the committee is there.
08:38The committee which will have
08:40a heavy parliamentary representation
08:42from the Senate, National Assembly,
08:44Treasury and Opposition
08:46will do its job.
08:48I am sure that
08:50if there is a consensus
08:52after the discussion,
08:54both houses can be called
08:56and the voting can take place
08:58and the bill can be passed.
09:00There is still a discussion
09:02going on.