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00:00Mr. Naqvi, today a letter has been issued by Senator Raza Rabbani.
00:05He has said that all the reforms that have been made in the constitution before this have been made in accordance with the constitution.
00:13He said that if the opposition is taken on board without any legislation, especially if there is any change in the constitution,
00:21then the support and strength of consensus behind the constitution, which has always been there,
00:27that all political parties will oppose it.
00:32You can see that any constitutional amendment, without a political consensus amongst all political stakeholders,
00:42will find its place in the dustbin of history.
00:46Such an amendment will be made in the dustbin of history if you amend it without consensus.
00:53Yes, Mr. Naqvi.
00:55Look, if this is seen in accordance with the health of the parliament, then it is wrong.
01:00There should be consensus, everyone should be on board with it.
01:03You can talk according to the strength of the parliament.
01:06But according to the law, this is not wrong.
01:09The majority, what is the meaning of the majority?
01:11People are criticized here.
01:13So, if the majority is making a decision, and if someone is not accepting it, then according to the law, this is absolutely right.
01:21Mr. Ghulam Singh, the major democracies in the world, including the United States, the UK and the Western world,
01:29which is a bi-partisan constitution,
01:32a constitution in which all political parties, the opposition and the ruling parties are included,
01:38was adopted in the 18th amendment in 2010.
01:42Now, why can't this constitution be adopted?
01:45There is an amendment in the constitution for the times to come, for the generations to come.
01:49This is not a common constitution that you can end with an ordinance,
01:53or you can end it with a simple constitution.
01:57The amendment, this matter progresses after a lot of thinking.
02:01Mr. Chaudhary Ghulam Singh.
02:04I am impressed by your intelligence, hard work, wisdom, everything.
02:12You talk about balance, whether someone likes it or not.
02:17But today, I am very saddened.
02:19All of this, all of this,
02:22the people who asked Mr. Chaudhary, was this a fair?
02:27What is your intention?
02:29He said, leave the fair, it was just an excuse for me to lose my honour.
02:33All of this drama,
02:35is only to undo the PTRI and its mandate.
02:41Otherwise, without this amendment, what was wrong in Pakistan?
02:45And what you were saying, a fair court,
02:49till now, the Supreme Court was a non-fair court.
02:53What are you talking about?
02:55Today, you have left the fair court,
02:57now a bench will be formed,
02:59no, one out of three judges,
03:01if Mansoor Shah and Muneeb Akhtar do not form,
03:05Ameenuddin forms,
03:07or if you go below him,
03:09then it will remain the Supreme Court,
03:11and you will have to act on the laws of the country,
03:15and if you do not respect the mandate of the people,
03:19then these decisions will be on the streets,
03:21unfortunately.
03:23Hassan, the impression of politics is all about perception.
03:27And the perception that was there before,
03:30with regards to Qazi Faisal,
03:32now it is happening,
03:34that since Justice Mansoor Ali Shah,
03:36as you said earlier,
03:38that I do not see him becoming the Chief Justice,
03:41and if he does become,
03:43then he will not become with the powers that the current Chief Justice has.
03:47So, do you feel that this is a service to the nation,
03:51to the parliament,
03:53that it is obvious,
03:55that the impression will be strengthened,
03:57that the politicians and the rogues,
04:01that they take this line,
04:03the judges take this line,
04:05so that impression will be strengthened further,
04:09because if we can say,
04:11that Defense Minister Khayasab,
04:13a year ago,
04:15said that the method of appointment in the Supreme Court,
04:17is very good,
04:19and the same method should be in other institutions as well.
04:22Your thoughts?
04:23You are talking about the time of the appointment of the Chief Justice,
04:26I think you were talking about the security principle,
04:28but after that, the situation came in front of you,
04:30the justification that the Supreme Court has given today,
04:32have you ever heard such a justification,
04:34in any decision,
04:35the Supreme Court has given such a justification,
04:37in any country,
04:38no, it was not asked from him,
04:39it was not asked from the 8th Rukni sister,
04:40nor was it asked from the 13th Rukni sister,
04:42it was deposited in the Supreme Court,
04:45on that,
04:46it was not necessary to give a justification.
04:48Your question is good,
04:49till today,
04:51the general decision,
04:53of a single member bench,
04:54of a two member,
04:55of a three member bench,
04:56the decision of Khoja,
04:57the majority decision of the full court,
04:59in Pakistan,
05:00have you ever seen it,
05:01being influenced by Amal, Dharam,
05:02have you ever seen it being influenced by Amal, Dharam,
05:03if there is a justification from the Constitution,
05:04then it should be there,
05:05if the date is not getting reduced,
05:06then it is getting corrected,
05:07they have rewritten Article 51,
05:08they have given a justification,
05:09this is your opinion,
05:10this is your opinion,
05:11this is the first thing,
05:12secondly,
05:13they are saying that,
05:14look,
05:15according to two thirds majority,
05:16the Constitution will be amended,
05:17if it is amended,
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