kya tehreek insaaf ke khilaaf bara operation honay ja raha hai ?Ather kazmi
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00:00What next? There are only two situations, two possibilities.
00:02Either the government thinks that they have tried their best,
00:08they didn't cooperate,
00:10Sanjani, if I'm pronouncing the name correctly,
00:15they didn't stop there, they came to D-Chowk,
00:17I've been saying Sanjani, Sanjani since yesterday,
00:19then I remember, that's an old story.
00:20So, they've come to D-Chowk as well,
00:22but they've failed now.
00:24Now, okay, we'll also do our part,
00:26we'll be strict with them.
00:29Or, they'll come now,
00:32they'll talk to us,
00:34we'll talk to them and find a way out.
00:36Which of the two do you think is more likely?
00:39The crackdown will be even stricter.
00:40Not to forget,
00:41that the assemblies are gathering resolutions
00:43to impose restrictions.
00:45Mr. Wawda is again making promises about restrictions.
00:47Are you getting any signals
00:48of a strict crackdown against PTI, Mr. Kazmi?
00:52Look, the crackdown is already happening
00:53with Pakistan's Tariq-e-Insaf,
00:55everyone can see that.
00:57Now, the government has not allowed
00:58Tariq-e-Insaf to come here.
01:00The workers of Tariq-e-Insaf
01:01have broken all the restrictions
01:03and come here.
01:04So, this is one thing to understand,
01:05that the government,
01:06they didn't have an angel's role in this,
01:09the people saw their indifference.
01:12The second thing is,
01:14what's next?
01:14They'll decide where we'll take things.
01:17Look, if you don't accept the court's decisions,
01:21you'll be in trouble in the elections,
01:23you won't be able to act on specific decisions,
01:26and when you're not ready to give them anything in the system,
01:29things automatically come to the streets.
01:31Just like the government is saying today,
01:33that Islamabad has opposed the High Court's decisions,
01:36so we're going to court.
01:38So, on the issue of Reserve C2,
01:40you should also agree with the Supreme Court's ruling.
01:43So, this is the issue,
01:44that as long as we don't stay within the system,
01:47on both sides,
01:48things will continue to go on like this.
01:49It's possible that a red light comes,
01:51and we stop for a while,
01:52but I feel that
01:54in 3-4 months, we'll be back to this position.
01:56And what do you think, Mr. Rana?
02:00I feel that,
02:01just like the Supreme Court in Punjab,
02:03brought down the corruption laws,
02:04and after that, the Punjab government,
02:06which was Mr. Buzdar's,
02:07did they make any decisions?
02:09What happened?
02:10These are special sessions,
02:11it's okay, the Election Commission will bring them back next week.
02:14The Supreme Court is here,
02:15let them act.
02:16We've been saying this for a long time,
02:17that when you get rid of the system for one party,
02:21then this is what will happen to you.
02:23If you bring them back,
02:24then why don't you put them in court?
02:26Those who don't agree,
02:27if you put them in court,
02:28then at least dare to do it.
02:29We all sit here and beat each other up.
02:32You will have to step back one step at a time.
02:35You have to use your last resort.
02:37I'm not saying that the PTI is going to end,
02:39or that restrictions are going to be imposed.
02:40The amount of effort you put in,
02:44when you had to talk about the committee,
02:46then you would have agreed.
02:48You were building a political path.
02:50Today, Imran Khan's terms have expired,
02:53the cases are due on 9th May.
02:54For him, for whom you are coming,
02:56you have put him in a difficult situation.
02:58He had a fight in his family,
03:00he had a fight in his party,
03:01and the people who fought him have left him.
03:04Shah Mehmood Qureshi is sitting here and saying,
03:06I'm sitting here too,
03:07ask me too, I've been doing politics for 50 years.
03:09Chaudhry Parvez Alai has been sitting at home for so many years,
03:12tolerating the circumstances.
03:13Did any of these people visit?
03:14These nine leaders,
03:16I'm saying this because they are at stake.
03:18All of them are saying,
03:19they are gone, let us go.
03:21That's what's going on right now.
03:22Is the ban on PTI just an incitement,
03:24or could it be something else?
03:25Last question, Mr. Rana.
03:28I don't think so.
03:29There is a lot of pressure,
03:31there is a story,
03:32there is a story of Governor Raj too,
03:33but I don't think these two,
03:34I don't think these two,
03:35Shabaz Sharif has come here for the first time in a fit of rage,
03:38I think whatever he has done,
03:38I think that's enough.
03:40Do you also think so, Mr. Rana?
03:41Mr. Kazmi?
03:43No, he has a government in one province,
03:45most of them are MNAs,
03:47so the ban on PTI means,
03:48that you are putting a ban on political action,
03:50it's not that easy.
03:52Right, thank you sir.
03:53Thank you very much to both the guests.