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00:00It's crossover time and we welcome in Mark Willard and Dan Dibley on a Monday after the Niners get beat
00:0823-17
00:10Hi fellas, hi
00:13Hello, oh my god. What is the nickname?
00:16I know we do victory Monday when they win overreaction Monday when overreaction Monday, okay?
00:22No, we hope it doesn't turn into standard Monday. Yeah, or just Monday. Yeah, we have five pages of notes Monday
00:30Can we um Darryl the?
00:35Really big I got a
00:37Small I had a friend in prison, and he would write me, and he had big handwriting
00:42He said you're insecure when your penmanship is small so when I heard that I was like
00:48How's your friend doing now by the way
00:53All right real quick cuz we can start everywhere
00:56Don't have an answer for me, but why did you only run Mason 20 times?
01:02But your average five yards a pop and you were down in the red zone early and threw it three times
01:08That's the I'll just that's all I want
01:13Only 20 yeah, I mean wow and I mean he had 20
01:18And then you got to a spot where you were down by two scores
01:20And so nobody wanted him to run over the last like six or seven
01:24Early the first half where they were down there to score and they threw three times right
01:29And I think that they did run it on that the first drive where they wound up not scoring a touchdown
01:35They ran it they ran it and they got inside the red zone, and they didn't run it
01:39So we could talk about red zone offense, but I don't think you can look at Jordan Mason and say only
01:4320 carries any running back who carries it 20 times and he's on pace he's carried 24 times a game
01:51all right, so if you want to like
01:53If you want to expand that out over a full season
01:56He's on pace for 400 carries, which I believe would be sixth most all-time
02:00We did this last week. They've only been I think four or five running backs
02:04Who've ever carried it 400 times in a year 20s good, but real quick
02:09I'm just questioning the run attempts forget Mason for a second
02:13Yeah, why wouldn't you keep running the ball with other Gorindo could have got it more than one okay?
02:18No, I'm just being real that was the one thing that was working for you
02:21And I felt like you did them a solid can we just do a quick 10 seconds on Gorindo his one carry
02:28Did you watch his one carry his one carry looked like you or him or him or God forbid me?
02:36I wouldn't have even gotten no gain, but he got the ball, and it was
02:41No he got hit, but he got hit and he got pushed back and that told Kyle right away. Oh, you're not ready
02:48You're not ready, and you might you might be Trey Sermon you might be Joe Williams Trey Sermon's playing for somebody
02:54He sure is is the backup running back. Yeah, I think there's two different things. I think one is the number of attempts and
03:02The other is like you can I think you can have a legitimate gripe
03:07They should have run in the Reds or when they were inside the five well
03:11You can always do that first time whenever they don't get in that's what we do whatever right whatever you did
03:16You should have done the opposite, but I'm kind of with dibs like it 28 is too many 20 is not enough
03:21I'm glad you nicknamed it overreaction Monday because that's what that feels like to me like you can always
03:27Sure should do this more do that more in this situation quarterback
03:31I don't know like I at no, but I'll go back to how I felt watching the game
03:35And and I never was yelling at the TV screen you run the ball
03:40You know like yeah, he got he got his run. He gets 20 carries. That's that's that's great
03:45If he runs 28, that's too much you're gonna end up like Christian if he runs 20, it's it's not enough like
03:53They got beat the major scream though not stopping them on third down or the Niners in effectiveness on third
03:58They made me scream cuz the Niners couldn't stop Sam Darnold
04:02Well, they got they got totally beat in the trenches. They got beat like they got outplayed
04:10What what made me scream is the fact that they got they got out scheme. They got outplayed
04:15The the like Sam Darnold looked great because his offensive line
04:19Played really well and the Niner defensive line Bosa was good. Not great my opinion
04:25But outside of that there's not enough happening in sales face and Sam has always been someone and I see ghosts there
04:32Oh, no, there's a but but he didn't yesterday
04:35No, there were no ghosts right like there's plenty of quarterbacks in the NFL who aren't great
04:40but if you give them a
04:43Reverse C pocket they can deliver a dime
04:46Sam is one of those guys get a great arm and I'm surprised Stiney that you haven't come at this guy yet
04:52But Trench Williams that I would I was just gonna say
04:59Trench Williams was bad and you're gonna give him the bag and
05:04Brandon, where are you?
05:05Brandon why you we got you four out of five targets dibs
05:10Oh dibs the targets the greedy guys are off to a terrible star tiny tiny
05:16Yeah, the holdouts are still out. Well, he's including McCaffrey in that's right fair. You're paying the three guys
05:24Are they most embarrassing holdout in the whole NFL is Jamar chase that young man?
05:29He's greater than our team see how I wanted to go through the TV and
05:3415-yard flag and oh my goodness brought that up because I'm on green right now that well
05:40And this is where bags by his teammate to shut up. Oh, that's a great call
05:45That is gonna do it
05:46But he's mad because of the money you saw the pool report, right?
05:50The the referee actually spoke to the poor Porter and said what what he said to me was personal and over the line
05:58Cuz you can say
05:59You can say F that call
06:01Yeah, you can say that was F and wrong or you can say whatever you want
06:05But when you say a pronoun when you say F you that's when you get a flag. Okay the pronoun
06:12It's not the word. It's the pronoun that gets the flag
06:18This ain't the NBA you got a helmet on well, but this is that frustrated we trying to win
06:23It's been going on for weeks. It's been going on for weeks
06:26Yeah, I don't know how many people are paying attention to other teams. It's been going on for weeks in Cincinnati. I'm a practice
06:32I'm not gonna practice this dude held out in a year where you're not even supposed to hold out
06:36What like you you made up a holdout? You're not on your you haven't completed four years yet
06:42Just because you want like I oh, I would love some more money, too
06:46Yeah, I hear that I really like and and then after games
06:50He's just obliterating coaches already
06:53You are owing to it is largely because of you that team doesn't look like a team and they're up a creek and I can't
07:00wait till tomorrow we can get into like all the two and O and the O and twos and we can
07:04I'm the torch we start off slow not to catch up
07:08Just we can break down the full league tomorrow, but for me my big thumbnail takeaway from yesterday is
07:15Not that you lost
07:17Minnesota beat you and that minus and you said it earlier and I heard on the way in you're like, Minnesota just beat you
07:22Minnesota was better than you they beat you. It's not okay in terms of you don't ever want to get beat
07:30But I thought that there was more
07:32Minnesota good than there was Niner bad. I agree
07:35I thought they were fantastic and you do you at a certain point?
07:38There's plenty of room for all the frustration and it's fair because the Niners are so talented and everything
07:42But the Vikings played really well the last drive would know Jefferson when you're down six
07:48I'm like we've seen this Joe Montana. They'll Jerry run. They'll win by one. It's all it's all the minutes of the cloud
07:54But it's the people that none of us have ever heard of their offensive line was fantastic. Their defensive line was fantastic
08:01I do think Brian Flores is his scheme like his plan gave him
08:06Offer up a van Ginkel Kyle. Yeah, thank you
08:10I
08:16Was hoping he'd have a better plan for what you knew
08:21Flores was going to throw at the Niners and I know their stats are okay Brock through for 300 and Jordan ran for a
08:29but
08:30Third down granny. Do you have that little horn they play?
08:34I
08:38Over and over because they do that on third down and that's where the game was lost in one yesterday
08:43Do you guys remember you had a call last week from a gentleman?
08:46I don't know if he was from Minnesota, but he talked about how it's gonna be a physical game
08:52Yeah physical game and you said well, what do you mean by why is it any different than any other?
08:58Giants and commanders just played like this
09:02Mamby Pamby, but you know
09:05One another on all the plays
09:08The gentleman proceeded to name about six of their defensive players and he like I was
09:21I'm not gonna I'm not gonna give his name out yet because we're probably gonna have him on later in the week
09:26But a former NFL quarterback God kind of no he was I get it and a cup of coffee
09:34More than he was in the lane a few drinks
09:36Actually, it was an espresso at best
09:38We go ahead he went for let's go have a drink and ended up like oops. We had seven
09:44anyway
09:45He and I were texting last week trying to get him on it wouldn't it didn't work
09:51He ended the thread like he's like, yeah, I can't make it work today
09:55I said, okay, maybe next week whatever see ya and then just out of nowhere like 20 minutes later. He writes
10:02Vikings by six
10:04Wow and walk
10:06This was on Friday by six on Friday by six by six. Thank you
10:11So I hit him about an hour after the game. I'm like damn dog
10:16Yeah, and he like on Monday night. Well, I'll just say this he said both before and after the game
10:23He's like you gotta understand the Vikings are good. See Wow, and I know that we'll sit here today. No
10:30It's a new season they have two wins one of them's and it was about to be 27-7 in front
10:39Credit for my six and he goes probably it was about a minute away from being my 20 like
10:44He's like, they're very good and and be mindful of the teams in the NFC that you thought were gonna be good are all
10:54They're banged up and off. The Packers are off
10:58Buying the Saints anybody here by that you have to right now Detroit lost at Tampa
11:04Did you see the number I had the number on Derek Carr?
11:09He was 15
11:11For 15 his first 15 drives of the year. They scored on every single one of them
11:20Derek Carr Baker Mayfield, which one you want Wow, which one you right and I mean in that same vein as we bring it back
11:27locally
11:28Fred Warner for DPO why and I don't know if a linebacker can actually win it but you watch yesterday
11:34He had two peanut punches. One of them was on the sideline where the ball immediately
11:41Pass break up in the first half on third down then pick one off in the red zone. It was crazy
11:47He's brilliant ran 25 yards after the band and then he handles a podium game better than anybody. I've ever what did he say?
11:54What is my bad, yeah, but he also like this man this man who was like
12:01Easily the best 49er. What does he do when they ask him about the Justin Jefferson play?
12:06So they put the blame on himself right when he's got literally no
12:10He's got to be back there in coverage as a linebacker
12:1259 yards down he said he was one of the Blitzers and he didn't get home right
12:17This is my job to get Sam off of his spot. I didn't do it
12:20Wow, which is awesome, and it's not is Richard Sherman went off on the coaching staff for that call
12:25He's like you can't put two safeties in that position against the best receiver in the league
12:29That's ridiculous and Mooney Ward was on the crosser
12:32And you know one thing I will get into today is that the youngsters on this team cowing with the muff punt got John Brown?
12:39Who was getting caught looking on that one?
12:43It was a little bit of a bad day for the youngsters on the scene and you'd expect that right?
12:47It's their first road game in some cases. I know you know Jerry Browns
12:51Not a rookie
12:51But it's only here Poonie came out and was like that was different and I have a lot to learn in situations like that
12:57Yeah, so
12:59The I like be mindful of that I would say like we had all the frustration is totally fair
13:05Something tells me it's hard to win there since I was in high school the last time it happened damn
13:11I know they don't play there a lot, but it must be different like that. Yeah, they played well
13:17There's something to that. I was in my fourth junior year at Cal State Northridge. How'd it go? It was a great year
13:23Oh nice boy. What a year
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13:38I don't I don't like trying to sneak things past the audience so guru had to go yeah
13:43He's got an appointment not a golf round an actual appointment mark it doesn't matter to me
13:50He doesn't matter to me all he said was I got to cut out a little early
13:53I said you do what you need exactly yeah, this is the sweetest man ever
13:57He's texting us at like 9 in the morning telling us that he's gonna have to go know what he's not that sweet
14:02No, he is you don't tell us and I got listen
14:05I got four minutes to rip him till he gets down to his car, and he'll listen to you guys
14:11So I got four minutes to rip guru. Let's let's again. He was clear you have a you have 11 minutes
14:17You have 11 minutes, but I know I know I don't want you thinking you're leaving in four minutes
14:22Oh, no, you actually need to take gurus time too, so you have to stay till like 22 after
14:29Anyway, anyway, yeah, thank you
14:33There's your game right there third down there. It is get the Levi's guys
14:37Third down
14:40No
14:41So you lost one of the things we always you know you just do it is you kind of base this base a team
14:50Right now on what they did last show everybody assumes, and I'm not gonna be good nice. You're gonna be good
14:57Does this game?
14:59Make you think any differently
15:01You know I'm sure 90% of the people have the Niners winning between 10 and 12 games or maybe even 13
15:08I'll use my guru. I just there nothing to see here
15:13There is always something to see everywhere
15:16But when you look at a game or a season if you think that they're gonna go 17 to know
15:21You're a fool, and if the over-under is 11 and a half from Vegas that means okay 12 and 5 you lose 5 games
15:2911 and 6 you lose 6 games in order to lose 6 games you have to lose
15:356 games and I mean it seems simplistic
15:38But this is a game when you look at it
15:41Against a team that is pretty good in a place where you don't always win
15:45You're on a short week and a 10 a.m.. Start
15:48These are things that lead to maybe it being a tougher game than you would have thought and you've got two of your most
15:55important offensive pieces coming off of hold in and hold out and neither one was very good and
16:01You have a new defensive coordinator all these things lead to a game that might have gone this way
16:07The thing that really shocked me the most is the special teams the block punt was
16:13inexcusable you can never let somebody in through the interior a straight line off of your guard and your tackle a
16:21Beeline to your punter and you had a muff punt and you had a kickoff that shouldn't have been returned
16:27But it was and you started at your own 10-yard line
16:30You had a lot of things that were attention to detail that were not there
16:33but I keep thinking of the gentleman who like the Minnesota Vikings last year were 7 and 10 and
16:40Cousins got hurt midway through the year and most people would probably say Cousins a better quarterback than Sam Darnold
16:46So what I'm curious about is how did your guy like nobody was saying?
16:51Before week one you don't let me tell you the Vikings Vikings are good
16:56The Vikings were just considered to be kind of like they were last year honest it feels like I mean, it's week two
17:02Maybe they're not right, but I mean, you know like in the New York Giants are not a good football team
17:07But whenever you dominate someone in the NFL I take notice of that you dominate someone
17:12I don't care if they're not good you dominated them. So that's impressive. Are the Vikings good time will tell I don't think I never thought
17:19Even before the year that they were a pushover
17:21They sort of get ignored because they don't have a franchise quarterback
17:25So, okay fine, but I guess to answer your question like I'm with dibs. There's always something
17:33To take away from it that can concern you I would be concerned that the Niners got
17:41Handily beat in the trenches six days after they handily beat someone else in the trenches
17:48That's not great the fact that Christian McCaffrey is gonna be out for a while is a monstrous concern
17:55Does anything that happened yesterday make me suddenly question whether or not the 49ers are a playoff team?
18:00No, not at all. Not at all. It's a very good football team and
18:06They'll be fine and and I mean
18:09They should be and I hate doing this because I don't know who gets healthy and this that or the other they should be
18:15three-in-one at minimum
18:17We have after the Rams Patriots at home, and I know that they've shown that they're not like this pushover either
18:23they're right or one and they lost an overtime yesterday, but
18:27You know, yeah, the Niners should win those football games. They'll be heavily favored to do so
18:32So it's it's just I'd like it's very frustrating
18:37in a in a like but zero win on yesterday, I
18:42Think it's funny that on Monday they won the Super Bowl and then on Sunday they lost the Super Bowl
18:49It's like we don't need to make these grandiose statements out of every performance
18:55Kyle's a great coach Kyle's an idiot
18:57Brock's worth 60 million Brock's not worth 30 million and we do this week. Oh, we'll get into that. Of course we will. Yeah
19:06What Brock Brock stocked down after yesterday Brock stocked down Brock stocked down
19:11Well, he only completed 78% of his passes and threw for over 300 in a ghastly
19:17Interception, I know comment in a small-handed fumble
19:24The stats that's all well, here's a stat for you and you can bring this tomorrow to the show with guru
19:30But the Niners won the time of possession battle. I know they they are 19 and 3
19:35The last two years when they win the TOP battle
19:3819 and 3 so yesterday was a bit of an anomaly in that
19:43They had 35 minutes of possession when they win the time of possession battle over the last two years with Brock pierty
19:50They win those games, but when you look at the biggest plays yesterday
19:54You think about Justin Jefferson 97-yard touchdown you think about a block punt that led to points you could talk about interception
20:02Right, the Vikings got a short field and scored twice and then got a long field and scored in
20:08In the fourth and to play then, you know Kyle decided that a field goal wasn't good enough in the first quarter
20:13Which I think that first quarter you kick that third quarter fourth quarter
20:17maybe you go for it, but he wanted to go for it again and
20:21You didn't convert and you got nothing and then it turned out to be a 10-nothing deficit. Yeah
20:27All right, I I
20:29Know they won the time of possession. Was it like 35 25 like you said, yeah, but they're
20:35That that in itself was an anomaly yesterday because they score
20:41You know in one minute from 97 yards away and he gave him a short field then they gave you know
20:47I understand it. It didn't like in a way
20:50It didn't feel like the Niners were controlling the ball all game
20:54And I guess it's because when they really needed to get a stop
20:57They just couldn't I heard this was I listening to I've never heard this in football
21:03talking about defense
21:05Situational stops. Yeah. Well, that's the name of the game
21:09I mean always about third down that that is always about third down
21:13It's it's so much about when you get a stop not necessarily getting the stop, but you got to get it at the right time
21:20Yeah, I mean, I mean like I would guess dibs you might have a better sense on this
21:26But whoever's winning third down battles on both sides of the ball have got a win like at a 90% clip in the NFL
21:34third downs
21:36Turnovers and red zone exactly and you mentioned it earlier Stiney on that last drive when they got a field goal
21:41Minnesota three of three on third down, but for me the biggest one was the first one third and seven
21:46Third and seven with nine minutes left if you get off the field there and you're down by six now
21:52You've got eight minutes. You got a chance. So third and seven they convert
21:57Okay, fine
21:57Then third Nate and Darnold makes that throw among three niners and like they had their back turned right?
22:04I mean how in the world do you allow that to be completed and then the other one was third and two fine third and
22:11Two is very convertible, but it was the third and seven
22:14It was the third Nate and that's where defensively and I don't want to call out Nick Sorenson two games into his tenure
22:20But felt to me like a pretty vanilla approach a lot of four-man rush
22:24Not a lot of like let's heat up Darnold and take a chance
22:28Defensively, I mean I felt like and I don't want to say I'm like thankful for this by any stretch
22:34but this was probably healthy in terms of
22:39Getting all of us to realize that Christian McCaffrey
22:43Missing time is going to be a thing
22:46That's a problem
22:47The whole like that the Monday night deal and dibs will back me on this because we spent a lot of time on it Friday
22:53I was very uncomfortable with the idea that well
22:57We could go six and out without Christian. No problem
23:01Jordan Mason, it's like Ryan balding or tried to tell us he talked at the morning roast late last week and said
23:08Don't get it twisted. This offense is not as good without Christian McCaffrey
23:13There's all kinds of things that they don't can't do without them
23:17There's a dynamic that's missed and when you suddenly have a hard time converting third and three over and over and over again
23:24That's Christian to me
23:26I mean that's Christian the bottom line is if Christian has a run McCaffrey's a runner is a 10
23:31You know what? Maybe Mason's an eight but as a receiver if McCaffrey's a nine
23:36I mean, they don't even I mean, yeah, he's a two. Yeah, exactly
23:40So that takes away a whole dimension lately for them. There's yeah, there's there's no doubt about I do
23:45Want to make sure that you and I didn't hear your full four hours, but I want to make sure that you
23:51acknowledge
23:52One man who you've been so critical of one one man and the ability that he had catching the football
24:00yesterday including a
24:03Wonderful toe tap Kyle use check
24:07Catches and an unbelievable toe tap along the sideline. I didn't hear you today
24:12Praising him the way that you probably should maybe that's cuz
24:16He cost him an interception. What? Oh, he got a key. He's got to come down with that one that
24:24Brock didn't deliver that we used to have an old time term called the breadbasket and
24:29If this one never got there, well, this one didn't get to the breadbasket use checked up
24:34So you want me to start talking Trey Williams?
24:36Do best player on the team not yesterday. We do way not yesterday
24:4217 is becoming a trigger number for the Niners when Trent Williams doesn't play well or Brock
24:48Purdy doesn't play well or Shanahan's not a genius
24:53The same thing happens every time the Niners finished with 17 points, yeah, that's their big loser number
24:59Well, they would add 20 if he would have elected to kick a field goal in the first quarter
25:02But maybe might change the whole game. I don't even know what would happen
25:06Well, you know what happened and I can't confirm this but that's the Staley factor. That's Brandon Staley Kyle
25:12You know what? I do
25:13Go for it right here fourth and two
25:16Like yeah, they did they started going they didn't just go for it on fourth down
25:20Brock's hucking the ball 25 yards downfield on fourth and two to Juwan Jennings. That was a great throw
25:26It was a Doc a beautiful throw. Yeah, I'm like man. Y'all came out all gutsy today
25:31Thank you must be the long hair and the facial hair
25:34One thing I would say to 49er fans though is it's a long season. It's a long season
25:41Where will we be talking about that season? I think
25:44Basically five days a week right here on 95 7 the game