Kamran Murtaza Ka Mazi Mujhe Nahi Pata Maloom,Agar Wo Murtaza Wahab ka..." Bilawal Bhutto's Reaction
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Kamran Murtaza Ka Mazi Mujhe Nahi Pata Maloom,Agar Wo Murtaza Wahab ka..." Bilawal Bhutto's Reaction
Kamran Murtaza Ka Mazi Mujhe Nahi Pata Maloom,Agar Wo Murtaza Wahab ka..." Bilawal Bhutto's Reaction
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00:00I don't know much about Mr. Murtaza's past, but I can tell you that I have a thousand differences with Mr. Fazl-ur-Rehman on many political issues.
00:12As far as the protection of the constitution and the role of the democratic system in this country is concerned,
00:18the role of the Pakistan People's Party is the same as that of Mr. Fazl-ur-Rehman's J.E.Y.
00:24If this constitution has been passed successfully in this country for the past three generations,
00:33then the role of the Pakistan People's Party and the Ulema-e-Islam Jama'at has been the greatest.
00:39As far as human rights are concerned, you can look at the 1973 constitution of the Pakistan People's Party,
00:47or whatever constitution or legislation is passed, if you have any human rights in this country,
00:53if you have any freedom of the press in this country,
00:57you can protect any part of the constitution,
01:01that is because the Pakistan People's Party put it in place,
01:04it gave you that right, and obviously its preservation is my responsibility.
01:08That is why, Mr. Bilawar, I think everyone will say that whenever it comes to the protection of the constitution and human rights,
01:15and that is why there was a problem that you were watching the drama when all this was happening,
01:19you did not see all this?
01:21What I have heard on your show,
01:26unfortunately, clearly there has been some miscommunication.
01:31If Mr. Kamran had picked up the phone of Mr. Murtaza Wahab,
01:34we would have clarified it in person by now.
01:38There was no such compulsion, no such fear,
01:44I can also tell you that whether it is Bilawar Bhutto Zardari,
01:49or the martyred Respected Benazir Bhutto, or Sadr Zardari,
01:52or Qaida-e-Awam Shihid-ul-Fiqar Ali Bhutto,
01:55we do not do politics of fear, nor do we do politics of compulsion.
01:59Nor has Mr. Mulana Fazl-ur-Rehman ever done such politics in his past.
02:06Again, I do not know what Mr. Kamran Murtaza's past is.
02:11As far as this point, which you are talking about,
02:15that night when I arrived,
02:18after that, Mr. Kamran Murtaza started reading Raaf, not before that.
02:25Along with that, I have a habit that I want to read it myself,
02:34I want to understand it myself,
02:36so in every aspect, in every form of interpretation,
02:40Kamran, although I am not a lawyer,
02:44but the point that Kamran Murtaza brought up from a legal aspect,
02:49I could have answered it, and I was answering it there as well.
02:53As far as the amendment to Article 8 is concerned,
02:57he is absolutely right in saying that the government's proposal,
03:02not only the amendment to Article 8,
03:06but along with that, Article 23,
03:10they wanted to establish the military courts in a complete manner,
03:15through a new amendment, and along with that, the amendment to Article 8.
03:19The amendment to Article 8 that the government presented earlier,
03:23it mentioned personnel, it mentioned their installations,
03:28and by taking examples from all over the world,
03:31this amendment was presented to me.
03:34When I read that amendment, from my own party,
03:38I understood that the protection that we can put in this amendment,
03:43is that we must put in the condition of active duty,
03:47so that the citizens of Pakistan are protected.
03:53When this issue was raised with Kamran Murtaza and Maulana Fazl Rahman,
03:59they raised another objection.
04:03I did not oppose that objection,
04:06I accepted the objection that you are raising.
04:12Sir, but why didn't you raise this objection?
04:15Sir, did you hear my answer?
04:18Yes, I am listening.
04:20The proposal of the government in Article 8,
04:25which was the objection of Maulana Fazl Rahman,
04:29or Kamran Murtaza,
04:31that night, before sitting in the committee,
04:34the next day, in which we had to discuss this in detail,
04:38I proposed an intermediate way,
04:41through which we could address this issue.
04:45At that time, Kamran Murtaza, perhaps not,
04:49but the other members of JEY,
04:52for them, I felt that it was a compromised way,
04:57an appropriate way.
04:59The next day, when I again sat with Kamran Murtaza,
05:03in Parliament, when we were waiting for Maulana Fazl Rahman,
05:07even then, every single point of this amendment,
05:11as much as I could sit with him, I discussed,
05:14had its own handwritten growth.
05:16With regard to the amendment to Article 8,
05:19he said that his personal opinion is that
05:22the amendment to Article 8 should not be amended.
05:28I told him to go and tell me,
05:31this is your personal opinion,
05:34this is the opinion of the Jamaat,
05:37so I will talk to the government,
05:40and the entire amendment that they are proposing,
05:43let's get it removed.
05:45Kamran Murtaza, or Maulana Fazl Rahman,
05:48we were not getting an answer,
05:51until Maulana Fazl Rahman reached the committee room,
05:55I, the amendment to Article 8,
05:58on which Maulana and the Pakistan People's Party
06:01had different opinions,
06:03that entire amendment was removed from the government's suggestion.
06:07Along with that, their objection to Article 51,
06:10I got that removed from the amendment.
06:13But the conversation that has to take place,
06:16the constitution that has to be drafted,
06:18the dialogue that has to take place,
06:20I cannot do that through TV,
06:22we have to do that in person.
06:24So I am giving a message through you,
06:26to Kamran Murtaza,
06:28Murtaza Wahab has been trying to call you since yesterday,
06:33Maulana Fazl Rahman and I,
06:35in the presence of all of us,
06:37had decided that we had to sit down immediately,
06:40Kamran Murtaza had asked for two days,
06:43those two days are going to pass,
06:45we have to sit down,
06:47if it is the seriousness of the JUI,
06:49and I understand,
06:51I understand that this is a serious matter,
06:53that is why we are not doing this from today,
06:55we have been doing this for generations.
06:57So Kamran Murtaza,
06:59Kamran Murtaza has requested,
07:01that while he is taking out time for TV,
07:04the work for which we have decided,
07:06that we have to sit down together,
07:08and make a consensus document,
07:10of the Pakistan People's Party,
07:12and the Jamaat-e-Ulema-e-Islam,
07:14which we can go ahead and make a consensus with the government,
07:17and the other Jamaats,
07:19this is the political path,
07:21this is the democratic path,
07:23if we adopt this path,
07:25we will be able to make a powerful,
07:27and in everyone's interest.