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00:00:00Today's episode of the Mark Titus show the Pac-12 didn't hear no bell
00:00:02They are not dead yet
00:00:04Bill Walton may have died to save the Pac-12 as it turns out the Pac-12 news broke today that the conglomerate from the Mountain West
00:00:11I want to get all the schools make sure I don't miss anybody Boise State Fresno State San Diego State
00:00:16Which is the big one basketball world in Colorado State will be joining the pack. It's still called the Pac-12
00:00:23I don't know why just because they
00:00:26You would say that that's the branding and they don't want to change the number
00:00:29But they literally did they were the Pac-10 and then they changed the Pac-12
00:00:32But then they stuck with the 12 even though there's two of them and now they added six
00:00:35Well, they had one two, three four another gonna have six. So it's gonna be the six pack, but it's actually still the Pac-12
00:00:40I don't know. Anyway, we're gonna talk about that a little bit
00:00:44Why why did not why did the the two schools that make up the Pac-12 not join the Mountain West in the first place?
00:00:49Why did the Mountain West?
00:00:51Schools join the Pac-12. I don't really fully understand it. But this is news
00:00:55This is I'm gonna miss the I think this sucks for the Mountain West
00:00:58Which was a very fun mid-major basketball conference. One of the best mid-major basketball conferences. We have
00:01:03Is the is the bleeding done from the Mountain West? Probably not. I
00:01:09There seem to be more spots available for the Pac-12
00:01:12In fact, I know there are they need to add at least a couple more teams to be a viable conference moving forward
00:01:18Where are those teams going to come from? Are they going to come from old Pac-12 schools? Are they going to come from?
00:01:23Mountain West schools that that did not make this initial jump. Are they gonna come from the East Coast because that's the world
00:01:27we live in now, which is
00:01:29Geography means nothing when it comes to conferences. We'll talk about that a little bit
00:01:33But you know the branding the Pac-12 at least it's still around there is that but is it going to be considered power conference?
00:01:38What what does what is the ripple effect of these four Mountain West teams joining the two the Oregon State and Washington State?
00:01:46Which was the Pac-2. What does this all mean? Talk about that a little bit also
00:01:50We got to talk to TJ about his Rutgers boys because they are getting
00:01:54This blue ribbon. I mean this is this is this is crazy disrespect blue ribbons putting out there
00:01:59They're college basketball previews and Rutgers who has two of the most exciting players in the country
00:02:04This freshman class is fucking loaded and it Cooper flags and get all the headlines
00:02:08There's an argument that Rutgers has the two they might by the end of the year have the two best freshmen
00:02:13But if it's not Cooper flag, they have maybe number two and number three best freshmen
00:02:17And all of college basketball in an era when you know, we're shifting into more of the transfer portal the one-and-done era
00:02:23The era seems to be done
00:02:26You know, there's still one-and-done guys
00:02:28But like the idea of like building with a one-and-done approach seems to be done now that we have the transfer portal
00:02:33I don't I don't understand this from the blue ribbon the the blue ribbon yearbook
00:02:37That seems like a massive overcorrection because if this was like eight years ago Rutgers might be number one in the country
00:02:42probably not but uh
00:02:44Blue ribbon year, but listen, it's we're still a couple months away from basketball being played
00:02:48so we got to overreact to this stuff and
00:02:50That stood out to me when I saw that that that Rutgers is being predicted 15th at a Big Ten
00:02:54That might not be all that great. By the way, also might have to talk about
00:02:59Connecticut has the the state of Connecticut has declared this self the the basketball capital of the world and
00:03:05As a as a native Hoosier, I took great offense to this
00:03:09But I also don't really know what my argument is against it right now
00:03:13so I think over the course of the show, I'm gonna try to get the
00:03:17Get the wheels turn into my brain to make an argument against us, but this pissed me off
00:03:20That was a college basketball news as well as UConn went to the White House
00:03:23And then the whole state released a sign a street. I I'm triggered by a street sign. I'm not gonna lie
00:03:29I'm not gonna lie
00:03:30I'm triggered by a street sign
00:03:30But I want to talk about the Pac-12 more anything else because I love Pac-12 basketball and it's not going to be the same
00:03:35But the branding is still there. It's still gonna be the Pac-12 logo. And what does it all mean?
00:03:39What is next all that coming up? Let's get to it
00:03:42All right, Tate is here we're gonna talk about all sorts of things news and notes around college basketball
00:03:47Pac-12 is a big one Pac-12 is the news of the day that the Pac-12 is not dead as we thought it was
00:03:53Completely back like on the track to being back
00:03:56Yeah ish branding wise Brandon. So it's back in that. It's like there's there it's not dead
00:04:02It's not like I think now you there was a fear there was like that wasn't even a fear like that seemed to be the
00:04:08reality is like the Pac-12 is
00:04:10Not long for this world and like in a couple like at some point, Oregon State and Washington State
00:04:13I have to figure out where they're gonna go that they're gonna then they're gonna make the jump and then that's it
00:04:17It's over
00:04:18So now like yeah, the Pac-12 is gonna stick around. My question is what?
00:04:23What is this iteration of the Pac-12 because I do like that. It's sticking around
00:04:27I think from a basketball perspective and this is mostly a basketball show, San Diego State moves the needle
00:04:33I think Boise State is a great program Fresno State not as much but has like Paul George that that's cool, you know, like
00:04:41they're not they're not completely irrelevant, but they
00:04:44the
00:04:45They're there. They're there. There's something I guess they're there
00:04:48They're not a completely worthless throw-in, but it's like Fresno State basketball is not moving
00:04:51You know, Colorado State does have a little bit of juice as a basketball program. I think that's a big win
00:04:56I'm a little hurt about the the dissolution of the Mountain West or the the whatever
00:05:01Whatever that's going to look like but um, I think this is good
00:05:05I think like the Pac-12 had to do something. I will say though
00:05:07The one thing I'm confused about is why didn't why didn't they just why didn't Oregon State and Washington just join the Mountain West?
00:05:13I don't I think that would have been the best case scenario. I'm actually I'm on the other side of that
00:05:18Okay, I think it was a no-brainer that either
00:05:21Those two had to join the Mountain West or the Mountain West had to come join the Pac-12
00:05:25Yeah, I think they went with who had the better branding, right? Yeah. Yeah
00:05:29So it's it's the same either way now one thing I do think is notable is it's not like the entire Mountain West is getting
00:05:35Absolved into the Pac-12, right? They went treasure hunting the Mountain West
00:05:39No, no, no the Pac-12 and like they they picked who they want like they're not like hey
00:05:43San Jose State University of New Mexico. Everyone's invited. They brought in four people and
00:05:49The four crown jewels, right?
00:05:51Yeah, I mean from from a football perspective probably I guess I don't know
00:05:56I'm not as plugged into Mountain West football, but yeah from that's that's why I'm sort of I don't know
00:06:01It hurts not the right word the Mountain West became a fun
00:06:03It became a fun mid-major college basketball conference UNLV, Nevada, Utah State, New Mexico being left behind
00:06:09The others no disrespect to the Wyoming's had some decent teams
00:06:12here and there
00:06:14But the you know, like the the the others I I don't want the conference to break up, but I want those four
00:06:20Leaving the four that already left
00:06:22Like that getting split up is a little bit of a bummer because I did think that that there was something there was juice
00:06:28there and in the in the basketball world, but
00:06:30Yeah, I don't I don't I don't fully under like the Pac-12 probably has more cachet in the basketball world
00:06:36but or in the football world I should say but in basketball, it's like I thought the Mountain West had like a
00:06:41Like they had a nice cozy little thing and like the but I don't know
00:06:44It's it's really confusing because to me the Mountain West felt like a nice
00:06:47Like that just made so much sense as Oregon State and Washington State joined the Mountain West. Mm-hmm
00:06:51and I think that's like the perfect and they in my mind you're merging the
00:06:55Remnants of the two conferences together and instead what this is is in the Pac-12 had to do this
00:07:00I don't I don't mean to say the Pac-12 fucked up like take care of yourself
00:07:03If we learn nothing from from conference realignment, it said no one's out to I mean
00:07:07We saw the the Pac-12 and the Big Ten make an alliance and then immediately the Big Tens like I'll take that. Thank you
00:07:13but I
00:07:15Think that I was hoping for a merger and instead this was more of like an act of war
00:07:19This was like it was an act. Yeah, this is like we're gonna just now the trickle effect. It's like oh shit
00:07:24Here we go again
00:07:25Well, because here's the big thing
00:07:26So now that puts them at six and they now have till 2026, which is when this is gonna happen
00:07:31They have to add two more teams to the conference in order to be recognized as like a FBS college football conference
00:07:38Yeah, so there is still
00:07:40Movement coming and I think this made it pretty clear. It's not coming from Mountain West teams
00:07:45Yeah, cuz if it was why wouldn't you just take those Mountain West team? They would have done it
00:07:49Cuz that yeah again that like makes the most sense to me is like just take two more of those
00:07:54But they don't seem interested in that. So what is their play Tate? You tell me I don't know. I don't have any idea
00:07:59I think well, so does Gonzaga Gonzaga doesn't play football. I don't play football at all
00:08:04So because I think people are saying basketball wise the best thing would be hey, can we go get Gonzaga, right?
00:08:09We at st. Mary's can we make this into a right an exciting basketball, but that doesn't help them either
00:08:14You know, it doesn't help them at all
00:08:15Gonzaga also, I don't think it's a go would do it because they don't really
00:08:19they Gonzaga is in a weird position where they kind of
00:08:23They're both very
00:08:24Desired and not desired at all at the same time
00:08:27We like cuz well it is our basketball program so big and I think like a conference like the big 12 is definitely interested in
00:08:32Gonzaga
00:08:33In so far as they're building. I mean we talked about this before they're building like a super basketball league
00:08:38Why would you not want Gonzaga when they're just sitting there, but also they don't have football
00:08:42so like I think I think like the the suits in the big 12 are like we should add Gonzaga and then like it trickles
00:08:48down to like the athletic departments
00:08:50like the conference the the conference commissioners office is like we should add Gonzaga and UConn and then the rest of the ADS are like
00:08:56Looking at the money and they're like why the fuck would we write?
00:08:58These shitty football programs at the end of the day
00:09:01We need to always realize that the world is not revolving around college basketball, which is yeah college basketball
00:09:07I've made this point before but it's in such a weird spot because
00:09:10It's not nothing it's not like it bring it's not like this is women's water polo
00:09:15Which no disrespect to women's water polo, but um, you know
00:09:18If you're if you're running a women's water polo program, you're kind, you know the deal you're at the whims of like
00:09:24the football and the basket like you're just kind of along for the ride and it sucks that that's the reality for you guys but
00:09:29They you know, you kind of know that that's what it is
00:09:33Basketballs in a weird spot because
00:09:35College basketball for basically every high major team like makes it a ton of money. They just don't make as much money as football. So
00:09:42There's only a handful of schools that make more money playing basketball than than football and those are those schools are in weird spots
00:09:48So that that becomes like an interesting thing because it's like yeah, listen, we get it
00:09:52We're not the top dog
00:09:53But at the same time like we should have some sort of say we do make a fuck ton of money
00:09:57Like we don't get any vote. We get no vote whatsoever
00:10:00College basketball and the powers of beer like kind of that's the way it kind of yeah
00:10:04so then you have this weird scenario where like you're the the NCAA tournament is worth billion dollars, but it's also
00:10:11Kind of being dictated by college football at the same time and that's just the reality it is and that that's a weird
00:10:16That's a weird dynamic
00:10:18So so the question is they need two more, right?
00:10:22Do they a lot of people are thinking they could come from the AAC which would be like a Memphis or a Tulane
00:10:28Who's out on the East Coast? Is that a lateral move to join?
00:10:33Boise Fresno, San Diego State Colorado State on the West. I don't know if I love that for them, but it's like not really
00:10:40it's the geographies that I don't know if it's the geography or just the
00:10:45It does sort of feel like the ace I don't know. I don't know. I don't know Memphis
00:10:50Memphis feels out of place in AAC. I will say that. Mm-hmm, but
00:10:55Memphis when they jump is jumping to
00:10:58This iteration of the Pac-12. Is that a big enough step up to justify the geography anomaly and all of that?
00:11:04It feels lateral but also if you don't jump what's next what is
00:11:10You know, is it any port in a storm situation where it's like beggars can't be choosers, dude
00:11:15you got it, you got a you got a pick one at some point because
00:11:19How long is the AAC gonna be a viable option for for Memphis Memphis does seem to stand out to me when I look at
00:11:25Well and and so then people are talking that the Pac-12 is somehow gonna get a residual effect of some sort of dominoes here like
00:11:33What happens if Florida State and Clemson go to the Big Ten then all of a sudden the ACC is not as lucrative
00:11:40maybe that's what they're holding out for is like
00:11:43Getting like Virginia Tech or something like that when the dominoes start falling in the ACC. They're just they just like get like
00:11:49Titus you know who else is in the ACC now that would fit in well in the Pac-12 on the west coast perhaps
00:11:57California perhaps Stanford Stanford. Yeah, I don't I don't see them doing it
00:12:02That's the way I wish you could just snap your fingers and they would do it, but they won't do it
00:12:05Because they care too much about academics. So that so that I
00:12:10Think cuz I I I'm not making an argument for them. I'm just telling you what I think they believe
00:12:15Stanford and Cal would rather just disband sports than be associated in conference with Fresno State
00:12:23And I'm not again. That's not me. Don't don't attack me if you're a Fresno State guy do not attack me
00:12:28I'm not saying that I'm just I'm relaying what I believe Stanford and Cal believe
00:12:33I think that they see Fresno State is so far beneath them and like a Boise State is so far beneath them
00:12:39San Diego State especially so far beneath them that like on an academic level
00:12:44They're like, we're not there's no fucking way. We're gonna be in the same conference with them
00:12:49Can't even be associated really for the academics and honestly like Stanford if there's one school that plays power conference sports
00:12:57That could get away with it or have that attitude and like it actually kind of makes sense
00:13:01It's Stanford because Stanford is like
00:13:03Listen to all of you other schools when when your football team goes to a bowl and you're like shit
00:13:08We made a ton of money
00:13:09We have some fucking nerd in a lab curing cancer and he made
00:13:12Trillions of dollars for like they're just playing on it
00:13:14they're playing a completely different game than the rest of us, so I think that'll factor into that and unfortunately as much as it makes
00:13:20sense to
00:13:21To just snap your fingers and be like why don't those two schools that are now in a conference all the way across the country?
00:13:27That make no fucking sense and that conference isn't isn't gonna stick around for too much longer
00:13:31It doesn't seem like why don't they just jump ship right back to where they came from and everything's fine
00:13:35I
00:13:36Think that's gonna get in the way
00:13:37I think Stanford and Cal are both gonna be like dude
00:13:39We're too good for for all these other schools in the Pac-12
00:13:42I could see that I will say my understanding is that the Pac-12 has a lot of money
00:13:47To use because of all the buyouts they had to they oh, yeah
00:13:51So like they can go out and try and make moves if they want
00:13:56I just don't know like is there anyone in the in the Mountain West still?
00:14:00Didn't I you the the two that stood out to me were UNLV in Nevada, but I don't know why they weren't in this initial
00:14:07Initial wave, I mean the I said before if I was if I was making basketball decisions
00:14:12I would see two at the New Mexico, Utah State, Nevada, and you know, we all get thrown in there as well
00:14:17But I don't think that factors in and and I you and LV in Nevada stand out to me is like
00:14:22I think they got good football programs. I think they have geography the geography makes sense
00:14:26They're all kind of checks out their football programs are are fine. Yeah, they have a storied basketball history. Yeah, they're in Vegas
00:14:33I don't get why they here. Here's my question because I don't think it's gonna happen with football
00:14:38So like what how does basketball handle it?
00:14:41Are they going to get quote-unquote power conference status with football? That's a great question when when the football
00:14:49And does that matter?
00:14:51Well, how much does that matter to have to be considered a power conference?
00:14:55I don't think the Pac-12 are we sticking with Pac-12 like hate that name people for I get I get that
00:15:02The Big Ten doesn't make sense. But like the Big Ten as dumb as it is. They've at least have stayed the Big Ten forever
00:15:08That's what we're gonna when they added Penn State and they had 11 schools. They're like, we're still the Big Ten
00:15:11They added more they had in Nebraska and Maryland. They're like, we're still the Big Ten and Rutgers and we're still the Big Ten
00:15:15They're always the Big Ten. The Pac-12 was like we were the pack. We're the Pac-10. We had two schools now
00:15:21We're the Pac-12. We lose a bunch of schools and fuck it. We'll just stay the Pac-12. Correct me if I'm wrong six back
00:15:26It was the originally the Pacific the Pac-8 the Pac-8 so 10 12
00:15:30But now they're gonna stick with 12
00:15:32I guess and if their brand is really going to like the word pack I get it that has been stayed the same if though
00:15:36If the brand is gonna change that much just add those two schools in the Mountain West and let's have an awesome Mountain West
00:15:42Yeah, that's what I that's what I thought. But um, I don't I don't know if
00:15:46There's been there's been considered a power conference matter. I guess I don't know
00:15:49I my hunch is that there is nothing that this group of teams can do these group of schools that would get them in the
00:15:58ACC big 12 SEC. Yeah, like there's a power for and everybody else
00:16:03Yeah, but with basketball you have like the Big East which doesn't have a football presence and they have figured out
00:16:09Oh, I'm not really figured out a way they've earned the right but they they have a seat at the adult table
00:16:13So I'm curious like does this group does this group figure out a way they're not gonna be able to do it
00:16:18I don't think with football
00:16:20But with basketball, do they have enough cachet and is that gonna factor in?
00:16:25Are they gonna take an approach like the big 12 did and we talked about it last week?
00:16:28I've talked about a lot like that's like your Mac is is is not break your Mac is not hiding what his
00:16:35His his agenda is big 12, which is like to build sort of a basketball super conference
00:16:40Are they gonna take a similar approach with the Pac-12 where they realize if we just go after football only
00:16:46We're gonna be fucked because we're never gonna be able to catch up with the others
00:16:51But if we can be strategic about this at the Atkins agate, you know figure out like that angle a little bit
00:16:58I don't know. It's gonna be interesting. I love that. The the Pac-12 is is still around I guess I just wish
00:17:05Selfishly, I wish like they just would have merged but now I'm worried about what happens to the Mountain West
00:17:11What the backfill looks like there it just yeah
00:17:14I don't know
00:17:14I my whole thing with conference realignment has always been just get to where we're going and then you just let me know and
00:17:18It just feels like we're never getting right there. What's your gut say? Bill Walton would feel about this news today. Um
00:17:25Like mr. Pac-12, but also not the same Pac-12
00:17:30He would
00:17:33Hmm that's a tough one cuz because is he a Pac-12 guy or was he a UCLA guy and
00:17:38And is he what games what games would Bill Walton be calling in five years? Oh, wow
00:17:44He be on Big Ten Network or would he be
00:17:47Calling the pack. I don't think he'd be on the Big Ten Network
00:17:50But I could see a scenario where he would rather
00:17:54Retire on top go out into the sunset with the Pac-12 then live to see you know, Fresno State verse Tulane
00:18:02Yeah, yeah, they put him on assignment and he's got to go to Fresno and call the game between Tulane and Fresno State
00:18:08I don't see Bill Walton like
00:18:10Just being overly enthusiastic and and and banging the drum for the Pac-12 for that matchup
00:18:16I also think there was something to be said
00:18:19It was kind of cool that if Bill had to go that the Pac-12 couldn't continue. You know, yeah
00:18:26Like the Pac-12 can't continue without Bill Walton. That was kind of I mean when he when he passed we all kind of said that
00:18:32Yeah, yeah, he died cuz he didn't want to live in a world without the Pac-12. But um, yeah, I'm uh, this isn't earth-shattering news
00:18:40I wouldn't say
00:18:42Certainly by the standards of what conference realignment has been
00:18:46But it's it to me. It's more of a basketball story than a than a football story because these are all the Mountain West is
00:18:53Positioned itself, especially the 810s kind of falling off a little bit and the Mountain West has been one of the best if not
00:18:59The single best mid-major conference the last X number of years like West Coast Conference has a good basketball conference as well
00:19:06But what is what is Ken Palm been saying? Let me see that San Diego State has been a power
00:19:11University in the in the college basketball world for a while now. Yeah, and yeah six most wins in division one since 2005
00:19:20Yeah, they just they just went to the national champ, I mean
00:19:2412th best winning percentage versus ranked teams in last 20 years, San Diego State
00:19:28I'm looking up what Ken Palm has to say about the conferences. He's the only guy I trust with conference stuff
00:19:33Yeah, Mountain West number one
00:19:36Big last year. Hold on. I got this right. Yeah last year his conference rankings
00:19:41Number one big 12 number two big East number three big ten number four SEC number five ACC
00:19:47Next two were packed 12 in Mountain West
00:19:50So Mountain West was the top last year
00:19:53They were probably the top the year before. Yeah, they were better than the ACC according to him a couple years ago
00:19:58They've been that's what I I thought I was right. I was just making sure
00:20:03That the that the stats backed me up that the algorithms were saying what my eyes were saying
00:20:08that the Mountain West has been I
00:20:11Kind of like one hell of a conference the last few years. So
00:20:14Yeah, I hope they can I hope they like still play each other
00:20:18That's my biggest fear too is like I know UCLA in Arizona are gonna still keep they're gonna keep playing
00:20:23But it's probably not gonna be on campus. It's it. In fact, it's not I don't think I think they're gonna
00:20:27Figure out a way to like play in neutral sites and they'll probably end up like in five years
00:20:32We'll look up and UCLA in Arizona will just play that in Vegas every year like that
00:20:36But that's that's really as I've grown to accept conference realignment
00:20:41The the only thing I'm clinging on to is like you still have to make these schools play each other
00:20:45I still want to see I still like Oregon and Oregon State are playing in football. I love that
00:20:50I hope it doesn't go away
00:20:51I want UCLA in Arizona was the big one in basketball that I was really heard about but I think they're gonna keep playing
00:20:56Even though it's not gonna be the same. So I still hope that that these Mountain West schools
00:21:01Will play the old Mountain West schools because though I think the rivalries were awesome and it was a great basketball conference. So
00:21:09Anyway, but we'll see what happens next
00:21:11I think that is a it's kind of a powerful spot to be and to be like we have two seats at the table and
00:21:15You know what? We're just gonna sit here. We're gonna sit here and wait if two years. Yeah, we have two years
00:21:19We're just gonna sit here and see what see what's out there and just kind of go window shopping for the next two years
00:21:24And figure out what's next. But yeah, it's there's a there's a bunch of different directions. You could take it
00:21:29Become a basketball conference. I think basketball is that go and I st. Mary's bring them all in that would be sick
00:21:35I'm cool with that Gonzaga and st. Mary's would I think if you if you bring in Gonzaga and st
00:21:40Mary's you are you are doing what the big 12 is doing, but you're also the problem is
00:21:46Dollars do matter and neither one of them have football program. Can you bring over like I know you didn't weren't
00:21:51Yeah, you know keen to it. But if you bring Gonzaga st. Mary's in Memphis now, we have some you've just bolstered quite the bat
00:21:58We have something we have a little bit of a basketball conference, but Memphis does have a good football program
00:22:01Yeah, they do for their level. Um, fuck it bring Tulane with them. Let's have the hey, we'll call it the Pac-10
00:22:09Yeah, why why why just eight bring it yeah, they're gonna bring more they just need eight
00:22:14Yeah, it's so fucking stupid that the Pac-12 one of the original I guess that's my conclusion
00:22:20Hey, I have I have a take the Pac-12 the original Pac-12 dissolving. That was bad. That was stupid
00:22:25I didn't like that people point to all the like I I didn't like Texas and Oklahoma going to the SEC but fine
00:22:31The one that really has just taken all the dominoes and knocked them all to the ground
00:22:35Yeah, Pac-12. Come on when I saw the news that UCLA and USC were going to the Big Ten
00:22:39I I actually I was in a room
00:22:41I was an empty room in my apartment and I actually cackled out loud and I just like I just it was like this is
00:22:48fucking insane
00:22:50And I wish we could wish we could get it back. But whatever
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00:23:45Speaking of speaking of Big Ten schools
00:23:49Joining the Big Ten and all that. This is my attempt at a segue
00:23:52We have to talk about this blue ribbon Rutgers situation TJ. Yeah, if it was any other school, maybe I wouldn't care as much but
00:23:59We are a record. We're probably the number one Rutgers basketball podcast in the world in terms of minutes talked
00:24:05Over audience reached. Yes. I would say almost. Yeah
00:24:08yeah, and so the news this week in the Rutgers basketball world is that blue ribbon yearbook, which puts out a you know,
00:24:17The Bible of college basketball college basketball as I call him
00:24:19Yeah puts out preview magazines has Rutgers ranked 15th and you're thinking that seemed about right 15th is good
00:24:27You know middle of the middle of the top 25. It's a young team
00:24:30They do have a lot of talent great coach
00:24:33But we'll see, you know offense has been a problem for Rutgers the last couple years a lot of roster turnover
00:24:39But they do have a ton of talent 15 feels about right. No, no, not 15th in the country 15th in a conference called the Big
00:24:45Ten, um
00:24:47This is stunning. Yeah, I don't any disrespect. Well, how do you how do you feel about this TJ? Yeah, there's a lot of I
00:24:53I don't know. I it's like
00:24:56Am I crazy and like do you have to talk me off this ledge that a team with this good of a recruiting class is
00:25:02Actually bad because they have this good of a recruit
00:25:04I don't know where I'm supposed to fight on this because I do want us to be underrated
00:25:09One of the things that stood out to me
00:25:11About this is that the Big Ten is not going to be especially good this year
00:25:14It is not expected to be I think like most people will probably pick Purdue or Indiana to win the league
00:25:19Who both have like like produce taking a big step back. They'll still be ranked throughout the season
00:25:23They still have a lot of good players, but they're losing Zacky. They're losing their guy UCLA's at the top two
00:25:28UCLA's up there. Yeah, um
00:25:30Indiana Indiana went out and had a big transfer portal season got a ton of talent
00:25:36But there's a lot of skeptics about what whether Mike Woodson can put all the pieces together in the way
00:25:40that he needs to to have success whereas I think produce the opposite where it's like Matt Painter has reached a point where
00:25:47No one even cares what produce roster looks like and they're like, it's Matt Painter. He'll figure it out
00:25:52But there are a lot of questions around Purdue. There are questions around, Indiana. There are questions around you
00:25:57So that there's certainly questions around Michigan State, Ohio State. I think we'll have a good team
00:26:00But like how can you not have improved? How can you not have questions Michigan a ton of transfers?
00:26:05We have no idea what that's going to look like. They should be better
00:26:07but the point is there's nobody like a like a Kansas or an Alabama or a
00:26:12Yukon say who even you've even you kind of has some questions
00:26:16Gonzaga is a good one
00:26:17Gonzaga is bringing a lot of dudes back and you're like I kind of know what I'm getting with Gonzaga and I think that
00:26:22they're gonna be the the cream of the crop in the big the whole Big Ten is is a
00:26:26lot of question marks, so
00:26:29Why you know like the case for Rutgers when I think Rutgers could win the league. I don't expect them to I think they are
00:26:34Too young. I think there's a lot of roster turnover, but um
00:26:37Saying I'm out of roster turn that was fucking crazy to me that the because of the because the thing is to like last year's freshman
00:26:42Class was not good at all. Um
00:26:45But this year's freshman class is no, I'm not talking about Rutgers. I was talking about our country
00:26:48Yeah, the entire cut like so last year having the the two of the top five recruits
00:26:53I mean USC had Isaiah Collier and he was he he's he wasn't he was kind of a bust like, you know
00:27:00But this year's class is very good very highly thought of by NBA guys
00:27:04Very like Dylan Harper and Ace Bailey are fucking behind Cooper flag. They're two and three in the class
00:27:10Yeah, they bring over dude from Eastern, Michigan average twenty one and a half points a game last year
00:27:15With what reason in this mishmash of the Big Ten that you just talked about?
00:27:18Could you give someone like Rutgers the fifth?
00:27:21I'm am I crazy or they more likely to win the big they're more likely to win the Big Ten that finished with 15
00:27:26I think if honestly if they finish 15th, we might have to have a pickle conversation
00:27:32Yeah, we might have to have the pike or conversation 15th, yes. Yes, definitely. Yeah, we finished 15 15th and definitely having that conversation
00:27:40Yeah, so what's the reason like with the bad boys? He's ever going to what he's been the guy dude
00:27:44He's been like he's been 15th. I know but a little alarm
00:27:48Like something bad happened like really something
00:27:52Dramatic happened, but again, I do want us to be under underrated. I don't like people that are like, yeah
00:27:59Right, I don't want that is he paying off every time
00:28:03Steve Pichel is saying don't don't raise
00:28:06Don't get us now is what I'm saying. Like but I'm gambling odds wise Rutgers is is fifth in the conference
00:28:13Say I would put Rutgers just like without actually sitting down and planning it out. I would say Rutgers is like sixth
00:28:20Yeah, expect them to finish sick and they're right there. There's no like you said, no, Kansas. No, no, no clear heavy favorite. Yeah
00:28:27This is this is probably a good thing for you guys though. I think it might light a fire under some asses and
00:28:34It'd be hard to underperform with those expectations, yeah, it would be again devastating to underperform with those expectations
00:28:41I don't know. I just
00:28:43It almost leads me to believe that like they know something. I don't know
00:28:47Which I don't know what that would be like all of the practice footage looks awesome
00:28:50Yeah, I said it at the top that if this was if this was
00:28:542014 yeah, this was 10 years ago Rutgers would enter the season like ranked 6th in the country
00:29:00and that probably would be very that would be way too high as well, but
00:29:04Something doesn't add up something doesn't add up. I think you'll be ranked preseason
00:29:07I think it's good for college basketball for your rank preseason. That's what uh
00:29:11that's that's always my thought on preseason rankings is like I I
00:29:14I think I should be in charge of the preseason rankings because I would I would do what's best for the sport
00:29:19I would I would do if I like I tried to tell Bosco this when he tries to argue that
00:29:22Alabama should be preseason number one
00:29:24I think it's I think you got to go can't I think you got to go blue blood that's bringing a lot of dudes back
00:29:27And like and have let them be number one again and let hunter Dickinson do his press conference reads like I love that
00:29:33We're number one. I want them to I want them to know that we're better than everybody and all that um
00:29:37I think that's better
00:29:38I think that's uh
00:29:39But also I guess you can make the case Bama be number one get some get some juices flowing a little bit
00:29:44I do think
00:29:47I'm starting to drink the Kool-Aid
00:29:51I'm reading the literature as I like to say and it's coming up Bama. Yeah
00:29:57Kansas
00:29:59Just this picture myself like having a book and there's just one where it says Bama, and I'm like fuck that's a
00:30:04That's it. No. They're gonna be so deep and the way they play Nate Oates. I
00:30:10Was turned off by Nate Oates against San Diego State a couple years ago
00:30:13They went to the final four last year, and I had to tip my cap and say you know
00:30:16He finally got over that hump
00:30:18But watching watching them against San Diego State like ruined me because I picked him to win the title that year and I and it
00:30:24Was one of the more frustrating games
00:30:25I'd ever watched because they just kept like driving the ball and and would not take a mid-range shot to save their lives
00:30:31But I think I think that that there he sort of figured it out
00:30:36And also he's got the depth and I think like the the shooting has come along
00:30:39We're like the fear of going ice-cold in these games
00:30:43Isn't as much of a backbreaker as it used to be for for Bama with Nate Oates
00:30:47I don't know and Kansas is like we're being honest Kansas is like
00:30:52They've gotten better this offseason, but like it feel like last year Kansas was not good
00:30:57Kansas ended up like for Kansas standards
00:30:59They ended up being a not good team and they had they had all sorts of their offense was clunky as fuck
00:31:03They still bring back the best player in the conference. They got some transfers in I do see there's been some injuries out there
00:31:10So the one concern was backcourt depth and they had another person break something six
00:31:15He's out no question about it
00:31:17If you watch college basketball and you look at Kansas is starting five Ryland Griffin in the portal AJ store in the Porter portal Harris
00:31:24Adams and Dickinson are back
00:31:26That's probably gonna be the starting five almost certainly
00:31:29That's starting five jumps off the page that you slaps you in the face and is like we're gonna win the national championship
00:31:34But if you watch the Kansas play last year
00:31:38Dickinson is not great defensively their offense is clunky as fuck and he he he can be he can get you production
00:31:45I don't know
00:31:45I feel like I've I feel like at this point I talk about hunter Dickinson in my sleep because I've like made the same points
00:31:50About him for going on eight years
00:31:52It's like he's good as fuck
00:31:53But he's also very very limited and I think the book is out on him and like what he's not good at and he can
00:31:58Be exploited
00:32:00And that was happening a lot last year, and I don't know Kansas
00:32:03Kansas for a team that has a coach who might be the best coach in the country and a lot of guys back who are
00:32:08Proven commodities and a ton of talent. I still have a lot of questions for this Zeke Zeke Mayo added to
00:32:17It'll be intriguing but I think I think BAM is like running guns I've
00:32:21I'm slowly getting won over by it. I think that their firepower. I think mark. It's really just Mark Sears like running point
00:32:28He's so fucking good. I
00:32:31Don't know and they're gonna be deep as hell and I think that helps it's like Bama if Bama has dudes that are that are
00:32:35Sucking they can just pull them and throw in other guys and they'll just keep coming at you
00:32:39You know a team that I think should be interesting is Gonzaga. I'm slowly talking myself into Gonzaga. They have
00:32:45They they were a team last year. That was not very good. I remember
00:32:50At the start of the year. I mean, I remember sometime in December doing like a big
00:32:53Holy shit is Gonzaga gonna miss the tournament name
00:32:56And then they flipped the switch and started winning everything and ended up being a pretty good team by the end of the year
00:33:02And they're bringing everybody back. They're bringing basically everybody back and
00:33:07That has my team. They've named their coach in waiting as well. I saw that. Yeah, let's talk about that
00:33:12I don't understand why by schools do this. What is what is the I was gonna ask you?
00:33:17What's the benefit of it?
00:33:18Well, I get that I don't thought process is I think it's just like a carrot to dangle in front of the assistant
00:33:22So he doesn't take a head job somewhere. Is that really it?
00:33:25I mean, I can't I can't remember the last time and it's probably just because I'm selectively not remembering just to prove my point
00:33:31I can't remember the last time there was a coach in waiting named and
00:33:36That coach and waiting stuck around for like more than five years and then became the coach
00:33:40I was gonna say this isn't the this isn't the first Gonzaga coach in waiting. Yeah for mark few. Yeah. No, it's
00:33:47Like this is it at what how many coaching waiting's can you have before the next one says I don't yeah
00:33:53yeah, I don't this isn't Mike Hopkins was coaching waiting for for Jim Boeheim for a thousand years and then finally was like
00:33:59I'm gonna go to Washington and then didn't really work out for him. But uh,
00:34:03Yeah, I don't get the the coach in waiting move. I'm trying. I'm really seriously now wrecking my brain trying to think I mean
00:34:09Was Matt Painter coaching waiting for Katie? He I know he's on his staff
00:34:13I don't know if Painter was or two painter go to Southern, Illinois
00:34:17Painter was like always understood to be the guy to follow Katie
00:34:20I just don't remember if it was like formalized as this is you are the coach in waiting
00:34:26What about John Shire was coaching waiting John Shire was right? Yeah. Yeah, he was I like it when it was a one-year thing
00:34:33It was like a like like like this my last like Caden announced in
00:34:372010 after John Shire won the national championship. He wasn't like that's my coach in waiting when I retire
00:34:42I just don't know when it's gonna happen. It was like I'm fair. I'm retiring next year
00:34:45I'm saying like I cuz cuz mark few if mark few would have said this and then said and by the way
00:34:50This is my last year
00:34:52That would have been something he specifically said that he has no plans to retire
00:34:55He doesn't really have a 10-year plan a 10-year plan mark few. I
00:35:00Don't you're the you're the coach on the desk here. I've been trying to get a job. No one will hire me
00:35:04you're the you're the one that coach if imagine you're a you're a high school coach and
00:35:10You're told you're my you're my coach and waiting. Yeah, I don't I actually don't like that
00:35:14I I'm assuming these two had talked and mark few didn't just come out and say it
00:35:18Like I like the idea that mark few thinks he has a really good assistant. He has a graduate of the school
00:35:22Hey, this is gonna be the guy to take over
00:35:24You have a mark few if you're here for the next five years and Arizona comes calling or UCLA comes calling
00:35:29You have to let your guys Brian Michelson is who we're talking about by the way
00:35:33Yeah, you have to let it like yeah, Tommy Lloyd is like, yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and fucking take the Arizona job
00:35:38That's an incredible job. I think maybe he's doing it to help his guys in some way where it's like
00:35:43Get him a raise one get him
00:35:46On the radar of other schools to maybe actually get him higher
00:35:50Maybe this is like a selfless play where it's like I want you to get head coaching jobs
00:35:53So if I say if I declare you the head coach of Gonzaga after I leave maybe I like that other schools
00:35:59Will want you and maybe this is like in a weird way in a twisted way. This is actually helping his guy
00:36:05But if we take it at face value, it's like what I don't do that. This is confusing. Is this Brian Michelson's?
00:36:13Dreamjob Gonzaga. Yeah. I mean he he was a walk-on. He played there. He went there. Yeah, probably
00:36:19So maybe oh, yeah
00:36:20And it kind of one other thing and you mentioned like me being coached one other thing you can do is sometimes you can strong-arm
00:36:26your administration
00:36:28Into making a decision. Yeah, I'm serious
00:36:30Like you can by saying this is our coach in waiting now the entire fan base says that's our coach in waiting, right?
00:36:35And you kind of help your guy get that job. Yeah, so when you do step away, it's like that
00:36:40Have to hire I've already said that that's the guy yeah
00:36:44No, I it's always been a weird
00:36:46It's always been a weird. I'm Hubert Davis wasn't the coach in waiting. Was he did they do a big search?
00:36:53I'm trying to think I can't
00:36:55There are a lot of there's there are a ton of instances
00:36:58Obviously of coaches retiring and then the assistant coach from the staff being hired as the coach
00:37:03I'm just trying to remember like when was it a when was it formalized, you know Hubert?
00:37:08It wasn't a coach. No, he like years
00:37:09He was he wasn't even no because he wasn't even like a surefire thing when Roy retired, right?
00:37:14They they went on to hire him. He was the assistant. Yeah, but it's not like okay. He steps down Europe, right?
00:37:20Yeah, and Izzo was that with Heath coat
00:37:24But I don't think he was the coach, yeah, I don't know
00:37:27Don't the only one that came to my mind was was Painter with Katie, but I don't think that was actually formalized
00:37:32So, um, no, I don't I don't I don't fully understand UNC interviewed eight candidates before
00:37:38Hiring Hubert Diggs. Uh, let me remember who they were. They interviewed mark for you. They interviewed they have you have the names, right?
00:37:45I don't
00:37:46You do more trivia on this show
00:37:49My mind is going a little bit the older I get the less I remember
00:37:53So I want to make sure I'm still sharp. They interviewed mark for you. They interviewed
00:37:59They interviewed Jerry Stackhouse, I know that there was a move for that
00:38:02They interviewed Hubert Davis, obviously they interviewed eight guys, that's what I said eight guys to non-unc guys
00:38:08Yeah, I think Oh Wes Miller was one of them. Mm-hmm. Jerry Stackhouse, Wes Miller West mark for you
00:38:15They talked to mark for you
00:38:17Show me mark for you as mark for you on the board. I got I got booted by the News Observers
00:38:23Oh, it looks like the interviewed pay $1 for free access. No, that's not right. Nope. I'm rejecting free access
00:38:31No, that's not right. Nope. I'm reading the I'm reading the pop-up. Never mind. Did you see a
00:38:36penny got a vote of confidence from his ad
00:38:39That uh, he's unequivocally our coach and he's gonna be the guy so we got an answer there
00:38:44I mean last week we were like shit. What are they gonna do here?
00:38:47So they're the answer immediately almost immediately
00:38:50He was like nah, he's our guy which I agree
00:38:51You have to give your coach a vote of confidence until he is no longer your coach
00:38:55You can never give your coach a no comment. You cannot you cannot say we'll see. Yeah
00:39:00Yeah, but it still doesn't add up to me that everyone else was the bad guy and penny was just the head coach. Yeah
00:39:07Is this I you texted me this and I did I this was not on my radar at all is Gary Payton
00:39:13The Gary Payton becoming a coach in college basketball. Yeah, he's he is take my reading this, right?
00:39:19That's the that's the same Gary Payton senior
00:39:22Love the glove Hall of Famer the Hall of Famer the glove nine time first nine all defense
00:39:29That's the same guy yeah coaching a juco what's the story he so he juco College of
00:39:36Your your guess the best mind Alameda went 7 and 21 last year Gary Payton named head coach. Oh, yeah
00:39:46Yeah, I mean if coaching is in his blood this is awesome I just don't like does he know a kid that
00:39:53Is he is this he just like know a kid that's like on the team
00:39:55Well, he's been trying coach him. He was trying to get into the coaching world people forget
00:40:00He started his coaching trivia question. You said you want more trivia. Give me a true 2017
00:40:05Gary Payton landed a notable head coaching job where
00:40:10He was coach of the year in this league division one college basketball, no, oh
00:40:18Was it like Australia or something the big three
00:40:22Gary Payton was the
00:40:25Big three coach of the league
00:40:32Was he the coach at Idaho and I didn't remember it
00:40:34No, he went he went big three to Lincoln University in Oakland
00:40:38And now he is moving over to College of Alameda listen
00:40:41I I think it's cool if these legends of the game like actually have the hunger and desire to be coaches like Chris Paul's a
00:40:47Guy who comes to mind as if Chris Paul gets a head coaching job when he retires
00:40:52No part of me will be like this is a joke
00:40:54What is he doing like Chris Paul?
00:40:56Strikes me as a guy that wants to coach and I base this off of if you've seen
00:40:59Chris Paul any anytime Chris Paul is shown in the crowd anywhere. He's like coaching the game. They're like Chris
00:41:04Oh, would you look at that?
00:41:05Chris Paul's at this WNBA game and he's just like leaning over like pointing like he's a coach every single time
00:41:10I've ever seen Chris Paul like in street clothes
00:41:11He's coaching basketball anyway to where I and he's you know, he's the one of the greatest point guards of all time
00:41:16I uh, I a guy like that if he becomes a coach
00:41:20I'm like, he just loves the game and wants to coach guys
00:41:22It's hard because there have been so many instances of guys that like want to coach
00:41:27Just because like they they want to stick around the game and make millions of dollars, obviously
00:41:32But I'll never begrudge guys like like Jerry Stackhouse his name I brought up earlier
00:41:36I think I think stacks a guy that's like I want to cut I want to fucking coach basketball
00:41:39That's what I want to do with my life and it didn't work out for him at Vanderbilt
00:41:43But I in Ewing's I think Ewing's the same way
00:41:46He had a he had a rough run at Georgetown, but I think he's the same way
00:41:48He's like I want to coach basketball. This is what I want to do
00:41:51I don't give a fuck about the fame and the money
00:41:53And I assume Gary Payton is that way well
00:41:55I have to assume I have more respect for Gary Payton because you know
00:41:59Those two you just mentioned are coaching at big-time right programs
00:42:02To want to take over a juco that went 7 and 21 last year
00:42:06Yeah, and we're in this we're in this era now you talk about Dion all the time
00:42:10You talk about penny you talk about stack you talk about Ewing can Gary Payton?
00:42:14I mean his Hall of Famer nine-time first-team all-defense not a name that can get you
00:42:18What if he can he jump the juco guy?
00:42:22That would be funny can he not jump some steps because of who he is yeah
00:42:26You would think but maybe it maybe that's maybe he wants to do it the right way quote unquote
00:42:30I would expect that I
00:42:31Couldn't do it for what it's worth like I couldn't I don't think I could pivot to a different industry and start at the bottom
00:42:37of the ladder and I mean that seriously and that's why I like I tip my cap to a guy like this because I
00:42:40If you're a Hall of Famer, and you're like I have to now go
00:42:43Coach G like maybe he wants to maybe this is a level he wants to do it to coach because he's like I don't want to
00:42:48Get involved with NIL and recruiting and all that just give me a ragtag group of guys. I'll coach him up
00:42:54It'll scratch my itch. Maybe if I can help some kids out with my experience along the way
00:42:58It's like a it's like a community service type thing where it's like you know this is my civic duty
00:43:03To impart my wisdom on guys that are trying to use basketball as a tool to go further in their life, whatever
00:43:09Maybe that's like his his
00:43:11Idea I tip my cap to him dude because I could not do this if you told me I have to go like
00:43:16I'm at wrong like I like to think I'm at wrong like two or three in the in the media space at this point I
00:43:23Don't want to go to wrong one and anything
00:43:25I don't want to go back down to wrong one and Gary Payton was at wrong like
00:43:2817,000 he really was he's at the top wrong and and here's the other thing
00:43:33He's worth 50 million dollars
00:43:37Like there's there's what type of person are you tight if I gave you an ungodly amount of money never see me again
00:43:42You never see you never see
00:43:45The general audience I'm talking to you specifically as well as everybody like you like my friends would never see me
00:43:50So if giving the 50 million last night, and we have a show scheduled for today. Do I see you?
00:43:55I don't think so. Okay. I think you never hear from me
00:43:58You I think everybody in this room would never hear from me again, which is totally I don't say that like maybe that makes
00:44:04Me a bad person, but like to me. I'm honest and transparent like I would never talk to anybody again
00:44:10Which and I take no offense that but my thing tight is now is so you're talking about you're in wrong two or three
00:44:16I think you're probably in wrong four or five in the media world. That's
00:44:2017,000 correct
00:44:21Now I'm giving you 50 million
00:44:23And I want you to go back and I want you to go back to wrong one and I want you to start over
00:44:28You know covering the the middle school basketball. Oh, maybe that's what Gary Payton's doing. Yeah, or maybe in some way
00:44:34It's like easier because you don't need money and you're like I'm set and like I can just kind of
00:44:37Maybe the demands of this job aren't that tough and if you're not maybe what makes wrong one
00:44:42Tate what makes wrong one sucks so much is that you're looking up the whole time
00:44:46Like how do I get up to the top and if you're at wrong one and you're just like I'm good here
00:44:51Maybe there's no maybe it doesn't suck. Maybe it's like dude. Honestly, we don't in the summers. All my guys go home
00:44:57I don't have to I don't have to practice. We don't have to recruit. We don't do anything
00:45:00I roll the balls out like a few times a week. We we we play the team down the road
00:45:05We're not really traveling that much and I still scratch it. Maybe it's that I don't know. Isn't junior college coaching
00:45:12All aspiring to move up. It feels that way like aren't they all being like I need to grind any grip here
00:45:18Here's how I'll determine I've gained a lot of respect for Gary Payton from this story
00:45:22Does he drop this in practice? I don't need this shit
00:45:27If he drops that I don't like it
00:45:29He's either doing this for the love of the game and to help the kids, but he cannot then say that
00:45:34What's that first motherfuck look like yeah, it's like I'm worth 50 50 million. I don't need this shit. Fuck y'all
00:45:41I don't know. I'm out of here. That would be no, that would be funny. That would be content
00:45:45and Gary Payton feels like a guy who
00:45:48He's not he's not gonna be kumbaya with these guys. Is he I don't how can you go from such a good trash-talker to I
00:45:55Miss watching a last-chance you basketball. I need to fire that back up. That was so good. I fucking love watching that
00:46:02This might be the next season
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00:46:38question for you about this you this Connecticut
00:46:41sign
00:46:42Because this is this is a thorn in my side as a Hoosier. What are you offended? When's the last time you've been offended?
00:46:51As a white man, I mean this is offensive to you this is I've said
00:46:58I've sat back for too long and let atrocities happen in this world, and I haven't said anything, but god damn it
00:47:05Now when I see this sign that says you that the Connecticut is the the basketball capital world
00:47:10I gotta speak up literally shaking. I'm shaking right now. Uh
00:47:14No, I think I'm offended because I can't I can't
00:47:17Refute it really?
00:47:19They they won back-to-back national championships date they won now
00:47:23I'm not saying they are the basketball capital of the world
00:47:25But I think they're the college if you want to argue that they're the college basketball capital world
00:47:29I don't see how you can write the second and also I put myself in their shoes. It's like if you're them
00:47:36Would you feel confident in doing it and I'm like, yeah, I would I would do like if if
00:47:41Titus if Florida declared themselves the basketball capital of the world
00:47:45I'd be like, where are you getting this hubris from but Connecticut has
00:47:49Has they've won back-to-back men's national titles. They've won ungodly amount of women's national
00:47:54They've won five since 99. I I expected more fight. This is not the site James Naismith invented this sport in
00:48:021891 Titus you're telling me because Connecticut has won back-to-back national titles in 2024 in 2023
00:48:08No, I'm not saying I agree with it Tate
00:48:10I'm saying that I need more out of my home state to make the argument for me
00:48:15I'm saying I'm not in a position of power right now. Like I can't how many fucking times can we point to Hoosiers?
00:48:20That's how many times can we point to Hoosiers and just be like we have gene
00:48:23Have you seen the Gene Hackman movie at some point? We need
00:48:27At some point we we need we needed Purdue to beat UConn, you know
00:48:32But they we need Indiana. We need
00:48:35In all seriousness where if I told you before you saw this story that another don't be other than Indiana
00:48:41Well know that first of all that a state was gonna hang up a sign and we're talking about guys a border sign that says
00:48:47Welcome to blank right basketball capital of the world. I
00:48:51Don't think first of all, I don't think Indiana would do it because I think Indiana's
00:48:55Point of view is like we don't need to say that we are you all know if you're if you're what's the Game of Thrones?
00:49:01Shit that if you have to say yeah Game of Thrones anybody Conor Grave go get Connor just for this one. I'm kidding
00:49:08If you have to say your king, you're not a real tree or whatever. That's some sort of Game of Thrones thing
00:49:15So, I don't think I don't think Indiana was it if if North Carolina or Kentucky did it I don't think I would care as much
00:49:21What you can't hurts though because like they don't they don't give a fuck about high school basketball. That's what I'm saying
00:49:27I don't have pro basketball at all. What what I had there's levels to this dude. You can't just that's why I hate this story
00:49:32Is if Indiana hung it up, it's not determining or it's not determining on
00:49:37Last year or the year before or this year?
00:49:40Yeah, you're telling me if if if UConn has three bad years in a row do they have to take this sign down?
00:49:45That would be funny. Indiana never has to take the sign down because people are still packing the state tournaments
00:49:50Yeah, there's still the the driveway basketball courts. There should be a
00:49:55There should be like a rotating sign that just like if
00:49:59Like a checklist did we win the national title?
00:50:01yes, keep the sign up the problem with Indiana's claim to being the capital of the basketball world is that we
00:50:08For far too long. We've we've only been able to point to high school basketball
00:50:12and I do think I think high school basketball is is a huge feather in the cap because like it's one thing to love
00:50:19basketball when you're watching some of the best players in the world and they're cool as fuck and and they're so talented and they're all
00:50:26Mega stars and you know, like that's easy to root for that team. If that's if that's your team, you know
00:50:32Level down college basketball. Yeah, no shit
00:50:35like if you have a if you have an awesome college basketball team like going and supporting them as is
00:50:40Becomes pretty easy. It becomes like if you if you just out of nowhere a
00:50:45College basketball program becomes great. The fan support will come because like that's awesome everywhere in this country
00:50:50They will support a great college basketball team high school basketball
00:50:55It takes a lot to get people to give a fuck as you know
00:50:57It takes a lot and so
00:50:59Indiana has used that as like that's what makes us different is that we will on Friday nights
00:51:04Like there's nothing else to do. We'll go pack high school gyms
00:51:07My problem is like at some point we need another or we need another
00:51:12Bullet point on the resume and it used to be the Hoosiers in the 80s and the 70s
00:51:18It's been a while. That's all I'm saying Purdue is like Purdue is back to knocking at that door Butler had you know?
00:51:25they're a little run, but I
00:51:28Don't know maybe the Pacers maybe that's the move you have high school right now
00:51:32It's no question that Connecticut has college
00:51:35Would you say what's crazy to me is this sign is being put up on the border of Connecticut and Massachusetts?
00:51:41Oh, really? Yeah, so these these Boston fans are probably oh, so is it like a is it like a
00:51:48Hall of Fame thing dude. This is like a if you drive across the state border. They say welcome to Ohio
00:51:55The birthplace of aviation now Connecticut's is saying we are the fucking ball on wait
00:52:00Are they shit-talking Springfield, Massachusetts?
00:52:02Maybe maybe that sign is just for people from Springfield when they come to Connecticut and they see it
00:52:07They don't hate that like they're just like shit-talking. They're like, you're not the basketball. We're the basketball capital
00:52:12Maybe that's what it is. Maybe I shouldn't take offense as a Hoosier
00:52:14This is just trolling between there just roll it like let the New England states troll each other
00:52:18I
00:52:20Think North Carolina is pretty good claim. I would say Indiana, North Carolina
00:52:23Those are the two for the statewide is there a city that you would say would be the basketball capital of the world. Um
00:52:30Again there's like love it's like what what level are we talking? I would
00:52:35Chicago feels like a good one. Actually, I think Chicago is it has talented
00:52:40New York's New York's the Mecca this goes back to our draft with Bosco. Where would you where would you where's the what's like the I?
00:52:48Mean I am biased with Indy but Indy that's like Indy's known for two things and it's basketball and racing and the racing
00:52:54It doesn't even come from in-house. It's other people from all over the world come to do the race
00:52:59Basketball is the only export we have I think you're
00:53:02That's the only export number one state export. I want to say to export is basketball
00:53:08Like DC, I guess like the the the DC area has a lot of great Seattle low-key
00:53:14Pumps out. Yeah, I don't know where the what city would be the considered. Hmm. I
00:53:20Think you're being humble with your home state here. I think I think it's I think this is offensive to the great state
00:53:24Well, no, I'm just trying to be I'm trying to be fair and balanced state
00:53:27That's all but I of course, I think I think Indiana's
00:53:31Number one. I'm I got a good I gotta get some more high school games this year. I'm excited about that
00:53:38Anything else what else is going on in the and
00:53:41I'm trying to think of what else we missed
00:53:45This is this is this serious this is a I saw the that you you put this on the sheet here
00:53:51December 14th. Mm-hmm is
00:53:54Lining up to be an all-time college basketball day. Yeah, Rossing tweeted it
00:53:58That is I mean, so what Rostein tweet? How did I miss this? I think it's his birthday, by the way
00:54:03Have birthday John it's Rostein. You think Rostein has a Wikipedia page a hundred percent, right?
00:54:09What'd you say like that he's what you say like that runs in the media ladder if you're wrong five, he's he's on
00:54:16Take it back bitch. Rostein does not have a wiki. Get out of here. Rostein has no Wikipedia
00:54:21That's it. That's a mistake. I seen price said take down my Wikipedia page John Rostein
00:54:28How do I not see I gotta I gotta be honest dude that the for you page of Twitter has ruined me because it's like
00:54:33I can't I feel like I don't actually see the people I want to follow anymore. I just see all this nonsense
00:54:37Well, I can tell you this you talk I want to know how we editorialized it I'll pull it up
00:54:42I gotta go phone on it when he said
00:54:45Because I know Rostein had some like grab your nitroglycerin pills or consult your cardiologist or whatever
00:54:54December 14th
00:54:57God he tweets a lot
00:54:59Anyway
00:55:01December 14th is you converse is Gonzaga Madison Square Garden Creighton versus, Alabama
00:55:05Louisville's at Kentucky Xavier's at Cincinnati one of my favorite rivalries in college basketball
00:55:10Tennessee's at Illinois UCLA
00:55:13Versus Arizona in Phoenix there it is. Yeah, UCLA Arizona neutrals I game in Phoenix
00:55:17A&M versus Purdue and Indy and Ohio State versus Auburn in Atlanta all that is happening on the same day. Mm-hmm
00:55:23Question would you go to a wedding?
00:55:25No, really, I don't think I would no I don't think I don't think I could that's
00:55:30That is that's so much better than the football slate. Like the football slate is like there's like five good games
00:55:35This is fucking crazy. This is what's the tweet say you found it. I have to come and apologize to you real quick
00:55:40Jeff Goodman tweeted it. Whoa, that's why I didn't see that's why I had it messed up
00:55:45All right, but I will tell you this. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie
00:55:50I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie
00:55:54All right, but I will tell you how he editorialize it. Does Jeff Goodman ever?
00:55:59Wikipedia page Jeff Goodman probably wrote his own Wikipedia page. I'm
00:56:04Jeff Goodman probably did write his own Wikipedia page Jeff Goodman
00:56:10No, dude, how does he know interesting in true basketball media guys don't have a well he tweeted out
00:56:16Yesterday December 14th might be one of the best days of college hoops
00:56:20We've seen in terms of ranks Matt ranked matchups right now
00:56:23If the preseason rankings came out all of these would be ranked Yukon Gonzaga at MSG. Those are two top five teams Creighton Bama
00:56:30Yeah, yes, two very good teams Louisville at Kentucky
00:56:35to
00:56:36New like teams finding their identities
00:56:38But I think this is the rivalry with the rivalry the rivalry for the first time as a hater of this rivalry through the years
00:56:45I will be locked in on this game because I think this is gonna be awesome another great rivalry Xavier. Can I'm sorry?
00:56:51Save your Cincy. Yeah
00:56:53Tennessee, Illinois
00:56:55That'll be a great game UCLA, Arizona, which you just one of my favorite rivalries A&M Purdue in Indy
00:57:01and
00:57:02Buckeyes Auburn, Atlanta
00:57:04That's gonna be a crazy day. Yeah, um, I don't know
00:57:07I did the whole wedding thing sucks because I do think I'd have to go to the wedding if it was like a close friend
00:57:11Yeah, I consider myself like a huge college sports fan
00:57:14But when that whole debate was going around, yeah, you have to when you said it to me
00:57:18I was like, I think the cool guy answers no, but like honestly, it depends on who it was. Honestly, it was like Cody's wedding
00:57:23Yeah
00:57:24Right, but no fucking chance. I'm going but if it's like a top 100 friend. Yeah. Yeah top a thousand like an actual
00:57:30Yeah friend, I would definitely go. Yeah
00:57:335,000 people in your life. Yeah, you have to consider you have to yeah, I
00:57:37Yeah, I won't say who I did this to but it's something that haunts me still a little bit
00:57:44there was
00:57:46One of my friends from college got married on the same day as the Indy 500. It was Memorial Day weekend
00:57:52He got married on the same day as Indy 500. I was in my defense
00:57:55I was a dipshit like 23 24 year old way different time in your life
00:57:59And I was like dude, this is sacred to me
00:58:02Like I can't come to your wedding on the day of the 500
00:58:04I was like if you did on the Saturday before the race
00:58:06Go, but I can't like I can't I can't miss the Indy 500 for your wedding now if he did it now
00:58:12I
00:58:13understand the error of my ways, but
00:58:15It's still kind of haunts me because he's still a close friend of mine and I didn't go to his wedding
00:58:19I look back on I'm like, I'm such a fucking dipshit, but also a great time. Yeah
00:58:24I had a great time at the race. I have no problem if it ends up being accidental or coincidental
00:58:30Yeah, my problem is the ones and correct me if I'm wrong
00:58:33Like a New Year's Eve wedding, yeah, like, you know exactly what you're yeah, and I don't care about New Year's Day New Year's Eve
00:58:39Whatever. I'm talking about the college football aspect of right if you know what you're doing and putting people in a tough spot
00:58:44Then it's on you. Yeah, and I I was very outwardly like I this is there's one day of the year
00:58:50That means more to me than any other and it's it's the Indy 500. It's the Sunday before Memorial Day
00:58:55That's the most important day of the on the calendar to me and they chose to make it about their wedding day about that
00:59:01So I was like listen literally any other you could have it on Christmas Day and I'm your wedding
00:59:04But I can't I can't do it on on race day
00:59:07I can't believe you missed and I do think now at this point in my life if they were to renew their vows
00:59:13Well, no, no. No, I mean if they if they were to get married now
00:59:16I think I'd have to go but uh, I did miss it. Yeah, and it's not something I'm proud of. Um
00:59:22Anyway, I think that's the show. We need some uh, we need some offseason content, dude. We got a we got to figure out some
00:59:30I don't know. This is the time of year where
00:59:33I'm ready for I'm ready for some workout videos. I'm ready for some fuck. We're coming
00:59:37I'm ready for some fucking uh, look at this. I'm ready for the don't take this the wrong way. Please don't clip this
00:59:42I'm ready to see some shirtless pictures of guys. Mmm, dude. I want to see shirtless pictures of guys sweaty
00:59:47See I want to see look how fat this guy was a for as a freshman and now look
00:59:52One year with the strength coach look at him. Now. I want to see I want to see just like random ass stats
00:59:59Being tossed out is like holy shit ace Bailey had 27 points and the scrimmage. Mm-hmm
01:00:06I need some secret scrimmage stuff, too
01:00:08I don't know. I have a very high appetite for that right now
01:00:11I need like a guy pushing a sled on a football field and it's like holy shit Braden Smith
01:00:18Look at he's been in the lab. Look at him. Look at the body transformation. I need shit like it's about that
01:00:24I think we're like 53 days away. I saw yeah from the season. It's about that time for some shirtless dude pics
01:00:31The the he lost 20 pounds of fat but gained 19 pounds of muscle and it's like he's
01:00:38He's just so fucking I'm like so he lost
01:00:40He lost one pound is that so it's basically is that how we're is that how we're categorizing that no, no
01:00:45No, he lost 20 pounds of fat gained 19 pounds of muscle
01:00:48Completely transformed his body. I need those reports out there. Um
01:00:51Anyway, thanks everybody watching listening. We'll be back next week with with more fun stuff. See you guys