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00:00Live right here on the early line on this Tuesday still reacting to everything we saw on a doubleheader of Monday night football
00:07We'll go to Western, New York in our next segment
00:09But Joe one of the reasons last night was so critical not just a doubleheader
00:14not just history in Cincinnati for Jaden Daniels or the game itself is
00:19Because already even just three weeks into an NFL season the result last night would implicate these two teams
00:25And what their season would be we'll get to the promise and the optimism for the young rookie quarterback
00:31Daniels and his commanders team now are they winning record two straight victories at two and one in just a moment
00:37But of course our first focus must be on Cincinnati
00:40The Bengals unlike the previous two seasons when they had also started witness
00:45Oh and two they had one week three
00:47They went on a run the Bengals one of two teams Joe since the playoffs
00:51Expanded in 2020 around the National Football League to start oh and two and make it to the postseason as they did in
00:592022 and as they were on track to do a year ago winning four of their first five after they started Oh and
01:06two however this year their season's already over a Bengals team that entered the year was Super Bowl
01:13aspirations again that had a
01:14Disastrous offseason that blended in to the start of the regular season Jamar chase unhappy with his contract extension
01:22Did not receive his big raise and payday T Higgins under the franchise tag injured in the opening two weeks
01:28He was back last night and they were great through the air
01:31But it meant nothing the Bengals are now Oh and three throw the Super Bowl out the door never in the history of the National
01:37Football League have we see a team start Oh and three and hoist a Lombardi trophy and their opportunity to make the playoffs
01:44Slim to none and slim is also walking out that door you threw the Lombardi out of as well
01:50Just once since the year
01:522000 has a team started Oh and three in the National Football League and made the playoffs. It was the Texans in
01:592018 it's why the plus-money price is now on the Bengals to make the postseason
02:05It's a
02:07Little you have such little room for error now Ben moving forward and you know what they say it still applies
02:14obviously any given Sunday anything is possible, but I would say
02:20You know, you have a slight pulse. We're about the flatline here with the Bengals
02:26But I all of a sudden now is playing Carolina this week a given
02:31Is anybody think that they rejuvenated Andy Dalton is somehow gonna be taken lightly because it looked like the Raiders took him pretty
02:39Lightly but judging on that defense of Cincinnati
02:41I don't know what can change Ben with how bad that defense is that they can't stop anybody or get to the quarterback
02:50This could be over and that means the Zack Taylor error as far as I'm concerned should also be over. Yep
02:57For sure Joe. Those are the questions you have to have on this Tuesday if it sounds like an overreaction
03:02You're kidding yourself when you have Super Bowl aspirations and you start Owen three
03:07They're done. Your season is over Joe motivation is a very difficult thing to handicap
03:11But you would think the Bengals who had been in this position rather precarious the last two seasons
03:18Understood what was at stake last night as a seven and a half point home favorite win the football game
03:24Get your season back on track
03:26So if there was ever a time to be amped up for a game against the commanders
03:31It would be that one and they failed flat out
03:34They did not deliver when they needed to so what is the motivation the rest of the year?
03:38Of course, the Bengals are gonna say hey, there's exception to every rule
03:42We can be the second team since the turn of the millennium to make the postseason after starting Oh and three
03:48So there will be some buyback with the Bengals
03:50But I just don't really think it's an optimistic projection for the rest of this year and hand up
03:56I picked the Bengals to win the AFC
03:58I thought since he would be in the Super Bowl this season because of the also track record with a healthy Joe Burrow in
04:062021 in 2022 the two seasons he had played more than 10 games out of the four in his National Football League
04:13Career and what happened both of those years the Bengals won double-digit games
04:16They won the AFC North and they made it at least to an AFC championship game. All of that in my mind is done
04:24It
04:26The only hope that you have as say compared to a Jacksonville
04:31Oh and three team is that you have back-to-back weeks in which Joe Burrow and that offense
04:37Did enough to win the games more than enough in that game last night obviously over 400 yards
04:42They had more than enough. So they have some other issues. They have to address. They do have half the equation Ben
04:48They have a healthy Joe Burrow and an offense that's capable of putting 30 points on the board
04:53But if you don't fix it a defense and with Luana rumo and get those guys situated
04:58It is over because you're not gonna be Carolina. How's that Ben?
05:02Eight and a half. I mean to go on the road now to play Andy Dalton in a revenge game
05:08Oh boy
05:09The Bengals a four and a half point road favorite and the win total is down to eight and a half in the under
05:15Has the juice we'll talk about Jaden Daniels and the commanders and then go to Buffalo
05:20Joe whether it was
05:212021 or 2022 or
05:242023 or even the end of 2020 the Buffalo Bills have been right alongside the Kansas City Chiefs to win an AFC
05:31Championship and in terms of their Super Bowl odds and all four of the years
05:35I referenced the Buffalo Bills were a favorite to win the AFC East and they won the divisional crown in the AFC East
05:43They did not enter this year as the favorites to win the division. It was the New York Jets and Aaron Rodgers
05:49there was a thought that maybe Buffalo would regress slightly this year because
05:53Stephon Diggs and Gabe Davis and many of the names that we had come to know on the defensive side of the football
05:59Were gone so they enter the year not with the same amount of expectation
06:03but where they stand after week three the
06:07Expectation and the aspirations are back in Western, New York Buffalo one of five
06:12Undefeated three-and-oh teams following week three of the year. They're minus 180 to win the AFC East
06:19They already have a divisional win over Miami the Dolphins not going to be pretty good the rest of the year at least until the quarterback
06:26Room gets ironed out. The Patriots are going to be pretty bad as we expected
06:32It's really Buffalo and New York to try to figure out who claims this division
06:37But outside of that Joe plus 390 to win the AFC championship a dollar and a half behind Kansas City
06:43One of those four other teams that has started three and O in plus
06:48750 for the Bills tied for the second-best number
06:51Alongside the 49ers behind Kansas City to win a Lombardi trophy the last four years. We have placed
06:58Super Bowl expectation on Buffalo. They have failed to reach that ceiling is
07:042024 different or at least through three weeks. Does it look different to you?
07:10It looks very different to me and it certainly looks different on the
07:16Defensive side of the ball to me because we do have
07:21You know, Leslie Frazier's gone
07:23So we know McDermott took over he brought in Babbage there to be able to help him as the DC here
07:29They are doing things a little bit differently and a lot of the old faces are gone on that defensive side of the ball
07:35So there was a lot of questions as far as this season not
07:39Offensively because you still have Josh Allen, but it was always going to be about
07:44Defensively, can they compete and outside of that first half with Arizona?
07:48I think we have now learned that a healthy Von Miller and the pieces and the additions that they have brought to the table and
07:55a new scheme
07:57Whether it's backups or not because they were an awful lot of backups in that game last night
08:02Defensively and it didn't make a damn bit of difference the bills. However, in addition to Josh Allen having to get over
08:10Mr. Tiger Woods his you know, they referenced that last night on the telecast and I thought that was fantastic
08:16That Josh Allen's got to get past his Tiger Woods, which is Patrick Mahomes. Here's the problem Ben
08:22He's got another guy in there now
08:23His name is Aaron Rodgers and he's healthy too now that he's got to get past at some particular point
08:28So that to me I think is gonna be fascinating the AFC East not because of Miami and Tua
08:35Not because of New England because of the Jets and Buffalo and boy that's gonna be a fun series this season
08:42New York two-in-one
08:43They also have a divisional win to start this year as they picked up on Thursday night to start week three against the Patriots
08:50It's a new casting crew offensively Gabe Davis was back in Western, New York last night two catches for eight yards
08:57Khalil Shakir has been the leading receiver for Buffalo. He had 72 yards and another touchdown last night
09:03James Cook has put up at least 85 scrimmage yards in all three games
09:07He had 48 receiving yards last night
09:09Dalton Kincaid the young tight end out of Utah in his second year who was supposed to be a prime offensive piece
09:16Got into the end zone for the first time this season last night over is receiving yards prop that closed somewhere in
09:23The middle 30s. It is what you want out of Buffalo in the defense Joe to your point
09:29They gave up 17 to Arizona in the opening half. They blanked the Cardinals in the third quarter
09:34They scored 14 comeback was on in Western, New York. The Cardinals did score 11 in that fourth quarter
09:41So if we talk the last five halves of football
09:45Buffalo has allowed only three one points
09:49They held Miami to ten that was even before to a tongue-of-my-loa was injured and they held
09:54Jacksonville last night to ten and some good news
09:57Always a good news for Buffalo tomorrow Hamlin because of the injuries has had to be a starter for Buffalo in the secondary
10:05He picked off Trevor Lawrence on a wildly overthrown ball last night his first career
10:11Interception the crowd in Western, New York went bonkers in rightfully
10:15So so Buffalo a true Super Bowl contender a true AFC contender in my mind
10:22But to your point Joe getting past Tiger Woods or the Kansas City Chiefs has been the issue
10:27Buffalo has won the AFC East each of the past four years
10:31They have made it to the division around each of the past four seasons championship game in 2020 where they lost to the Chiefs
10:38They have now been bounced out of the division around in the last three seasons the last two they've had home field advantage
10:44So three of the four AFC East titles that has resulted in getting bounced in the division around
10:50three of the four they have been bounced from the postseason by
10:54Kansas City the postseason is what Jacksonville was trying to get back to in
10:592024 it will not happen
11:01The Jaguars are now oh and three to your point Joe if there's going to be an oh and three team
11:06To make history this year and become just the second since 2000 to start oh and three and get to the playoffs
11:13Maybe it's Cincinnati because the offense looks good. The defense looks bad. Nothing for Jacksonville looks good
11:19They're the third worst scoring offense in the NFL after three weeks averages
11:2413.3 points per game and the 17 that they scored
11:28It their peak so far this year back in week one all came in the opening two quarters in Miami
11:35Yeah, you know what looks worse than even that though Ben is the fact that you just
11:42inked a five-year
11:44275 million dollar contract extension with a quarterback that has now lost eight straight starts as thrown 11 touchdowns
11:52And eight interceptions during that span and again looked like he had no clue what he was doing last night, but hey
12:00Congratulations for being up there would borrow in my homes because yeah, you guys are in the same category
12:05It's tough Joe
12:06It really is to pay somebody immediately and see this be the result not based on injury just based on
12:14performance 21 of 38 for Trevor Lawrence last night a hundred and seventy eight yards a touchdown and an
12:21Interception well under his passing yards prop of 226 and a half
12:26He is not thrown for more than 220 so far this season and the completion percentage gets worse by the week
12:34See you Jacksonville pack it up. The season is done injury news around the NFL
12:39One of my favorite things to do during any NFL week throughout a regular season is react to our
12:47reactions to reset after a week comes to a close in what the odds have
12:53Updated and what the outlook now appears to be for teams around the NFL Joe
12:58We talked about Buffalo now tied for the second best price to win a Super Bowl in
13:03this season it plus
13:05750 still two and a half dollars behind their kryptonite the Chiefs the Chiefs are also the kryptonite for the San Francisco
13:1249ers when it comes to winning a Lombardi trophy knocking off San Francisco twice in the last five
13:18Super Bowls now
13:19I bring up the 49ers because unlike ball
13:22Buffalo and Kansas City who are two of the five teams to start perfect three and Oh
13:27Throughout the opening three weeks. The Niners are one and two and it does not look overly optimistic
13:34Moving forward based on the injury bug
13:38Christian McCaffrey is going to visit an injury specialist to look at his Achilles tendonitis in
13:44Germany Joe anytime you have to go to Germany because you are seeking treatment that is not FDA approved
13:51It's not a good thing
13:53It doesn't mean hey this guy's back by week six at the end of his stint on the IR
13:59It could be dismal now
14:01Jordan Mason has been good and frankly the ground game has not been the issue for the 49ers
14:06But when you take the reigning offensive player of the year out of your lineup
14:11It may be the best offensive piece in the National Football League
14:14It is never good news and having to go to Germany to get your Achilles taken care of is also
14:22rather pessimistic in my opinion I
14:25It's a very strange situation that he's got to go to Germany
14:30To seek treatment here, which is I find fascinating at this point because they're calling it an ongoing
14:36Achilles tendonitis issue
14:38And
14:40Anytime we're dealing with Achilles, then, you know
14:42We know we're one step away from it just blowing up the whole calf and that's gonna be the end of it
14:47So this is not great and for them to actually for this just to come out even though the MRI was clean
14:55then McCaffrey must feel there's something going on there because
14:59Nobody and I mean nobody would be on the would be on the field faster than McCaffrey
15:04And maybe this is just a way where he even knows Ben
15:08There there's something not right here
15:10And what good is it if it's not right and he goes in there and then he gets lost for the entire season and he blows
15:16Out as Achilles. So this is neither way. This is a good situation for the 49ers or McCaffrey
15:22You're completely correct Joe. You don't know exactly what the long-term prognosis is when you're not doctors
15:28We'll ask dr. David Chow about this across the SportsGrid Network
15:31I am sure but I'm not gonna give Donnie right side too much credit, but he is good at being dr
15:36Donnie when it comes to calf injuries and Achilles issues
15:40It's not just like hey put a brace on it see it in two weeks
15:44When there is an issue with that part of your body and the lower leg
15:48It takes a while to recuperate and so when Christian McCaffrey missed the season opener out of nowhere with an Achilles injury
15:55It wasn't like alright, they're just being cautious. They don't need him to beat the New York Jets
16:00It was oh, this is cause for concern
16:03Javon Hargrave in his second year in San Francisco who has been a great piece of a vaunted
16:09front for that Niners defense in the interior of it as the nose tackle
16:15He is likely out for the season a triceps injury suffered on Sunday
16:20Against LA and Brock Purdy is even listed as day-to-day with back soreness
16:25You know who's not included on that board Devo Samuel with a calf injury who missed the game?
16:32Against LA George Kittle who missed the game against the Rams Tarverius Ward on the other side of the football
16:38Trent Williams left for the locker room. There are so many issues for San Francisco
16:43Joe it is not what you want to be the case for a team expected to win the NFC a team that was minus
16:50Two bills to win the NFC West once again a team that was so short to win the NFC
16:57They were half the price of everybody else in the conference and then some after week one
17:03That is not the case here after week three
17:07No and a unbelievably shocking loss to go along with it Ben for a Shanahan
17:1349er team that went up two touchdowns in the second half had been 50 and 0
17:18under Shanahan 50 and 0 and
17:21Somehow they blew a 14-point lead in the second half of that game
17:25There's only so many guys that can go down where the level of play it starts to snowball
17:32And it didn't a big way in that game
17:35Yeah, it certainly did Joe they led by double digits early in that fourth quarter
17:40You saw the price the Niners now plus 460 to win the NFC Championship again
17:45They were half the number of everybody else around the NFC after week one
17:49They're now 40 cents in front of Philly less than a dollar and a half in front of Detroit and a group of teams at
17:55Ten to one to keep your eye on our two starts next on the early week three now in the books around the National Football League
18:03We welcome you to our number two live right here on the early line on this Tuesday
18:08He is Joe
18:09I am Ben still so much National Football League news and notes to break down for you at the end of week three
18:16With week four already on the horizon that is the case each and every week around the NFL
18:22We've got a President's Cup at stake this week up in Montreal a little bit of international and team golf
18:29Competition Keith Stewart will join us up next to break down the format what you need to know about Team USA
18:36versus the
18:38Internationals will talk more season outlook and award competition
18:42Around the National Football League and maybe even delve into the MLB playoff race now that the full
18:48Final week of the regular season Joe in Major League Baseball begins on this Tuesday
18:54Yeah, it's it's getting to be it's getting to be fun time and don't blink
19:00Because the NHL and NBA will be here before we know it as well Ben. So
19:05unbelievable time of year
19:07Did you know they play preseason games in the NHL?
19:11I found that out recently
19:14Yep. Yep. Well, it's big news here because of the Panthers are your
19:18champions in the and boy there
19:22You can't even get yourself a ticket to a preseason hockey game right now Ben. That's how sold-out they are
19:29Sunrise the Sunshine State is like the hockey capital. You got the Panthers
19:33You got the Lightning who needs to be in New York or the Northeast for hockey
19:39Anyway, Joe, let's break things down around the National Football League
19:42We'll save the NHL conversations for a later date a great headline here on this graphic
19:48But not great news for the Chargers the unplugged Chargers says Joe Friso our producer
19:56Extraordinaire Derwin James suspended by the NFL League office for a game without pay
20:01He's a repeated violator of illegal hits that violate safety protocols in the National Football League
20:08Not great. They're decent news for Justin Herbert as x-rays came back negative on his aggravated high ankle sprain
20:15But still he's going to be day-to-day
20:18questionable moving forward at the quarterback spot
20:20And if you want to make sure you're banged up quarterback
20:23Who's probably less than a hundred percent can stay upright you need your bookends on the offensive line to be healthy
20:30Not the case Joe
20:32Who got a welcome to the NFL moment from TJ Watt on Sunday in
20:36Pittsburgh to miss time with a sprained MCL not expected to be overly serious
20:42But still going to miss at least a few weeks and the left tackle Rashawn Slater
20:46His Sunday status in doubt as the Chargers get ready for their second divisional game of the year
20:52Hosting Kansas City a pectoral injury for Slater Joe
20:57Yeah, not good at all here there seemed to have been a formula at play here
21:04We knew Justin Herbert was hurt heading into the year, right?
21:08there was still a lot of questions and what we saw the first couple of bay games band was
21:14Harbaugh making it all about the running game and very little about Justin urban in a passing game which works when you're playing less than
21:21Defenses when you can't run the ball like you couldn't against, you know, Pittsburgh
21:26Then if you're gonna have to rely on Justin Herbert with a bad leg bad ankle, whatever it may be
21:34He becomes a sitting duck and that is a problem moving forward, especially against the defense here of Kansas City
21:41That's not going to allow them to just run the ball down their throat
21:45Yeah, it probably will not be the case the backups right now in Los Angeles as we saw on Sunday in Pittsburgh
21:53Taylor Heineke the recent acquisition from the Bolts and Easton stick who does have some
22:00experience Joe since Justin Herbert came into the league in
22:052020 the Chiefs and the Chargers have played multiple times. They split the first two with Herbert
22:11They won the first one in
22:132021 but since that point Herbert against my homes or at least the Chargers against the Chiefs
22:19LA has dropped five straight games and because of all this injury news
22:24The Chiefs are a seven and a half point favorite on Sunday inside so far. Look at the total as well
22:3139 and a half if Herbert is just going to hand it off. You're gonna probably put in Taylor Heineke
22:37Maybe Jim Harbaugh suits up in his former Chargers uniform as well
22:42It's just to me Joe an indication of how banked up the Bolts are
22:47I'm not saying it makes sense to bet the Chiefs lay in seven and a half
22:51Especially knowing how prolific teams have been
22:53Covering numbers as a five and a half point underdog or greater this year in the total for Sunday is less than 40
23:0039 and a half it just I think dwindles a little bit of the optimism for LA
23:05That was 2-0 and a matchup against another 2-0 team in Pittsburgh on Sunday
23:10They led at the break. They were blanked in the second half and now they're more than a touchdown underdog against KC
23:17Yeah, and you know what else who is kind of crazy here, uh, you know
23:20Both left that game again as well. And now he looks like he's lost for it
23:25So it the well that should shock absolutely nobody most people didn't realize he was still on the team
23:31But I think the offensive line issues are concerning here Ben given the fact that I you might be able to be
23:39Competitive right and maybe even steal a game with a backup quarterback
23:43at least that's what backup quarterback should be able to do if
23:46Joe Alton Slater and company were healthy, right?
23:50But when you mix in backup quarterbacks, and now I've got backup backup linemen. Oh boy. This is a recipe for disaster
23:58Yeah, it's a really good point Joe
24:00especially if you're going to have that reserve quarterback try to continue with Greg Roman and Jim Harbaugh have brought to LA run the
24:07football down your throat
24:08Well, if you know the backup quarterback is not likely to throw and the Chiefs are going to stack the box and sell out
24:14To stop the run, but you had a good offensive line
24:16Maybe you neutralize that when they banged up offensive line and injuries on the defensive side of the football
24:22No, not exactly great for a chief defense that won them the football game on Sunday night in
24:28Atlanta other injury news around the National Football League or at least just some headlines Andy Dalton to remain the starter for
24:35Carolina as we shared the Panthers only a four and a half point underdog at home in Charlotte on Sunday
24:42Against the oh and three Bengals if you would have told me the Bengals would be the winless team in that matchup
24:48I would have laid a very large wager that you were in the red Gardner mint you for the moment as they're making some
24:55Business decisions in Las Vegas is still the starting quarterback for the Raiders behind him as the second-year pro
25:02Aiden O'Connell Joe, do you expect to see a change of the quarterback spot at any point of this season for Las Vegas?
25:09Well again was it really Gardner mint shoes fault there I don't think so
25:16And is there really what's the difference it's not like you're going from Bryce young Andy Dalton where you've got, you know
25:22crazy experience for it there versus a rookie both of those guys have their
25:27Limitations and I do still think our dimension gives you the best chance to win if you're the Raiders
25:32But you're gonna need help and that's what they got to figure out
25:37In an O'Connell made ten starts last year. It's not like you have a rookie
25:41You're trying to find out a ton about
25:43so you can see if it's worth drafting somebody if you end up in the top five or top ten of the
25:482025 NFL draft which the Raiders are certainly on course to do
25:52You're going to get a quarterback would be my guess my only issue with Las Vegas. It's not even an issue. Just a question
25:59What is Devante Adams still doing out in the desert if things go south?
26:04Especially with that signal caller Sam LaPorta a low ankle sprain for Detroit not great news
26:11expected to maybe miss a game or two
26:13But not as terrible as it could have been for a tight end who said many a rookie record
26:19Last season for tight ends Joe the Browns allowed eight sacks to the Giants on Sunday
26:25And now they're gonna have even more offensive line injuries
26:29Wyatt Teller is going to miss multiple weeks could be eligible for injured reserve
26:35Cleveland high boy. It's not good for the Browns
26:38They had just gotten everybody finally
26:42practicing last week the original five offensive linemen
26:46We things were looking up and now that's there Conklin didn't play Teller's hurt now again. All right. Well, it was nice
26:53Thanks so much for playing here Stefanski. I
26:56Think Kevin Stefanski is longing for Joe Flacco to be back for whatever reason
27:01His office in a way that Deshaun wants Wow has been unable to
27:07after week three of this
27:092024 NFL regular season
27:11Let's check in on the odds not just for team outlook as we did in the opening hour plus
27:17But in the individual races with two quarterbacks putting on a show last night that now
27:23Top each market we start with the MVP
27:27That's at least where I would like to begin because Joe I got a little bit heated when we were discussing the most valuable
27:33player award odds earlier in the opening hour Patrick Mahomes is
27:38Listed as a co-favorite right now with Josh Allen. It's incorrect both at plus 250
27:44He's incorrect those two guys so much shorter than everybody else in this market
27:49CJ Stroud has the third best number at 14 to 1. He just threw two INTs in Minneapolis on
27:56Sunday but Patrick Mahomes should not be up there
27:59He is up there because he is Patrick Mahomes and his Kansas City team the Super Bowl
28:04Favorites with a short price and off to a 3 and 0 start but Mahomes himself
28:10Admittedly from himself has not been good enough. He's had five touchdowns to four interceptions
28:17He has thrown an interception in all three games for Casey
28:21So far this year and it's not like he's thrown for 350 in all three and yet turn the football over
28:27The numbers are not there in frankly
28:30The narrative is not there Mahomes last year led a Chiefs team that was supposed to drop off to a Super Bowl
28:37That was his year to win the MVP. He's won two
28:41MVPs since 2018
28:43He's not winning three in six years or make it seven years now as the starter for
28:51Kansas City, it's just an incorrect number on Mahomes by the end of the year if the stats are up there for sure
28:58He should be a front-runner for the NFL MVP award. Not where we are right now after week three
29:05But
29:06There's always a but here Ben
29:09we also what he does have is history and
29:13We also know that the last couple that he's won and correct me if I'm wrong
29:18We were kind of having the same conversation at this point because Kansas City
29:23Usually starts very slow during the beginning of the season a lot of changes over the last couple of years with Kansas City here
29:31But the one thing that has never changed is by the time we got the November Kansas City playing its best football
29:38Nobody remembered how bad he was in September and how bad the team was and then what have you done for me lately?
29:45It's the same crap we had to go through with Tom Brady
29:48It was the same thing where we just be like, why is he the favorite here? They're not any good. Yeah
29:55Well, no, it's usually by November unless he is 500
29:59He is gonna be at the top of this board from now until eternity Ben and I he's earned it
30:04He's earned that kind of in September. He's earned that kind of clout at this point
30:11Certainly so right and it is as we always say the individual races are correlated to your team success
30:17If my home is going to lead Kansas City to an AFC
30:21Championship or at least through the regular season the number one overall seed in the eighth or ninth consecutive
30:27AFC West divisional crown with another twelve and five season. He is going to be considered for this award
30:33I'm just arguing right now based on the stats
30:37In fact, you know when you look at the stats and you look at quarterback rating
30:40My homes is rating is 17th best among qualified starting quarterbacks in the National Football League
30:4789.9, you know the best passer rating. It's Josh Allen at
30:52133
30:53Point-seven Josh Allen in my mind should be the MVP frontrunner not a co-favorite
30:59But just the favorite seven touchdown passes to zero
31:02Ints did fumble once in their opening game this season against Arizona
31:08But the kryptonite for Josh Allen has been his ability to put the ball into chances where it can be taken away
31:14He has not thrown an interception so far this season
31:19He has the second most touchdown passes with seven
31:22In fact, Joe we have seen so far throughout this year 15 NFL quarterbacks throw for at least four touchdowns
31:29Only two have done so without throwing in I and T Josh Allen
31:34And sadly Joe Burrow who has five touchdowns to zero interceptions, but also zero wins for Cincinnati
31:41Yeah, so it's an interesting question man, because what would the number be?
31:46What do you think is in closer to five to one?
31:49Is there a is there that big a difference for stats aside?
31:53Obviously, is there that big a difference between my homes and Allen because they're both priced about the same
31:57But because of the start of Allen, he should be a clear you're not gonna make that number less than 250
32:03Are you for how no?
32:04No, I think so
32:06My home's yeah, my home's five one plus five fifty six to one something like that
32:12I think there should be that disparity and if you want to say my homes has the second best price in front of somebody like
32:17CJ Stroud who even has the third best number at 14 to 1 and there's that many tiers and levels of drop-off
32:24I'm fine with that
32:25But Josh Allen should be well in front and not the homes at plus 300 and Allen at plus 125
32:31But just Josh Allen in front of my homes
32:34But Joe because there is so many levels of drop-off here. It is kind of worth talking about
32:42Some value you've got CJ Stroud who hasn't been great to INTs last week against the Vikings
32:49But he doesn't often turn the football over is their value on Stroud is their value on Jalen Hurts
32:54Lamar Jackson the reigning MVP winner if Joe Burrow can resurrect Cincinnati, maybe
33:00Aaron Rodgers
33:01four-time NFL MVP
33:03Back-to-back winner in 2020 and 2021 Joe if you were looking for value because we have my homes and Allen
33:10Co-favorites at plus 250 which name might get your attention and maybe a wager
33:16Well, it's all in that right-hand column to me
33:18It's the two guys up at the top there Burrow and Rodgers because they have the most weapons
33:25To throw to and to pad those stats and the Jets have a better defense than what Cincinnati has
33:31But that just means Burrow is gonna be playing from behind more often this year and guess what that means
33:37His numbers are gonna be through the roof. The Jets can run the ball
33:41Cincinnati may not have a chance to run the ball, which means it's all gonna be on Burrow
33:46Yeah, and you would need Joe Burrow to lead the Bengals back to history to become just the second team since
33:522000 to start oh and three and make the playoffs and eight and nine
33:56Cincy team even if they look better than they have in the opening three weeks and Joe Burrow throws for 5,000 yards
34:02He's still not going to win the MVP award
34:04Can I reference a name and we can discuss it on the other side of the break as well?
34:09Who was not on that list, but it's technically tied for the 10th best price alongside Kyler Murray
34:15It's the guy that leads the NFL and passing touchdowns. You might have heard of him. It's named Sam Darnold at 28 to 1
34:27Offensive rookie of the year odds in just a moment
34:30But let me actually get your thoughts here journey on the viability of Sam Darnold
34:36Remaining in the MVP race for all 18 weeks of this NFL season because after three
34:42He is the most passing touchdowns in the National Football League with eight
34:47He didn't throw for 350 and four on Sunday in the upset win once again as a home underdog
34:54Over Houston. He only threw for I think a hundred and eighty-one yards, but did have four touchdowns
35:00Can't Sam Darnold remain in MVP consideration all year long. I
35:08Mean it's amazing that nobody's talking more about it Ben. I mean kudos to you. He had four touchdown passes on
35:1617 completions
35:18That's a pretty efficient day at the office for Sam Darnold. Can it happen? Yes, they
35:24Absolutely can keep that up there and I'm kind of shocked
35:29He hasn't turned into the pumpkin already
35:31but anybody that doesn't think that's a real defense and Brian Flores knows what he's doing when you make a
35:39CJ Stroud look like he's an absolute rookie and no idea what he's looking at
35:44Yeah, they're gonna surprise some people but will they garner enough votes when it all said and done?
35:49That's gonna be the big question for Sam Darnold and can they keep him healthy?
35:53Right and Minnesota's going to have to continue to be good
35:57They are one of five teams that is perfect three and Oh
36:00Following week number three of this NFL season the Vikings also just one of two teams along with Pittsburgh
36:07That is three and Oh against the spread the Vikings
36:10The only team of those two that has won outright as an underdog twice this year
36:16Andy Dalton has the second best passer rating now based on the one game sample size in the NFL
36:22So out of quarterbacks that have at least made multiple starts this year Sam Darnold only trails Josh Allen
36:29Which leads us to offensive rookie of the year?
36:33Conversations Jaden Daniels is now the favorite. It is no longer Caleb Williams
36:38It is Jaden Daniels after week two
36:41It was Daniels and Williams co-favorites with Marvin Harrison jr
36:45Moving up the board Malik neighbors had multiple touchdown passes. The former college teammates are now the two best priced
36:53Individuals to win the offensive rookie of the year odds, but Jaden Daniels is the story after making history last night
37:0021 of 23
37:02That's a ninety one point three percent completion percentage the best by a rookie quarterback in an NFL game in league history
37:09With a minimum of 20 attempts. In fact, Joe
37:12He has a completion percentage now better than 80 around the NFL through his first three weeks that leads the National Football League
37:19Not rookies that leads the National Football League at plus 175
37:24He is now the favorite to win rookie of the year on the offensive side
37:28Well, are we sleeping on Bo Nix now all of a sudden Bo Nix, you know
37:33You got a you got a look at the opportunities, right and that's the whole thing here and Bo Nix figured it out there
37:40I think we can all agree that Caleb Williams is not going to be in the conversation due to the fact of the coaching staff
37:47but if I was gonna take a flyer here a
37:51Neighbors is out of his mind. I mean just at Danny Dimes ain't even throwing great passes
37:57And he's still somehow coming down with them. He is going to be a menace to a lot of teams his numbers
38:04Ben could be
38:06All-time great there for a rookie wide receiver, but would they dare give it to a wide receiver and not a QB?
38:13That's the question
38:14Well oftentimes Joe they have when it comes to the offensive rookie of the year award three of the last six
38:20Have played quarterback the other three a wide receiver only four of the last ten to win offensive rookie of the year
38:27Have played quarterback the reason being fair or unfair
38:31We associate team success with quarterbacks with not wide receiver
38:35So even if you put up gaudy stats, but your team stinks quarterbacks take a shot
38:40You can put up gaudy stats as a wide receiver and your team can be 5 and 12
38:44But hey
38:45You were that offensive bright spot to build around and Malik neighbors has been that at least 66 receiving yards in all three games
38:52He's got three touchdowns over the previous two for the Giants Daniel Jones, by the way
38:57Multiple touchdown passes in each of the past two weeks. I will say this though Joe
39:03one of the reasons I bought into the idea of Caleb Williams being the offensive rookie of the year clear favorite entering is
39:09Because Chicago had won five of their final seven games
39:13Last year and was expected to be a winning team when they went total of eight and a half with over
39:18Having the juice that's not the case
39:21Now the Bears win total was dropped off in some of that overall team success that we thought Chicago was going to have
39:29Maybe now we look at Washington
39:31The commanders win total up to seven and a half in the over
39:35Has the juice the commanders a winning football team through three weeks. They are two and
39:41One we'll talk Thursday night football and more football what our three starts next
39:46Welcome to our number three live right here on the early line on sports grid your theme for this third and final hour our
39:54Reactions to the end of week three around the National Football League who is the best team in the NFL five have started a perfect
40:01Three and oh at the end of week three
40:04We'll talk some college football in the game of the year already a top five tilt in Tuscaloosa
40:10Number four, Alabama number two, Georgia
40:13Just saying the words the hairs on my arm stick up the goosebumps are there it is going to be
40:21Sensational we'll talk about history that is set to be made on Saturday night at Bryant Denny Stadium
40:27And then Joe we turn our attention to Major League Baseball Craig Mish our MLB insider the host of newswire
40:34Joins us next and then we will break down the entirety of this Tuesday slate
40:39We've got games this week. We've got six games left for most teams around
40:44MLB the second-to-last series for everybody starts today fully
40:49Underway, the playoff chase is here in the final four week of the MLB regular season
40:55What a great final hour we have for everybody on the early line
40:59Yeah, and it's a we're heading into right end of September October of the year before you know it Ben so
41:07You know legacies are made in Major League Baseball in the month of October
41:12We're getting a pretty good handle here in college in the NFL
41:15This is a great great time of year for us
41:18It is a great great time and it's a great time to react to what we see
41:23Each and every week with a now three-week sample size in the National Football League
41:28Who is the best team in the NFL? That was the question to all of you and fade the public
41:36Now
41:39Only two teams were listed and then we had other and if you selected other we asked for a
41:46Reply we listed the Buffalo Bills and the Kansas City Chiefs
41:50To the three best prices to win a Super Bowl and San Francisco is that third team?
41:55We're not feeling overly optimistic about the 49ers injury concerns aplenty for Sam Fran or other
42:02But Joe the public going with Buffalo more than 51% of the votes on the Buffalo Bills
42:10well in front of the Chiefs despite the fact that Kansas City is
42:15Also three, you know and well in front of Buffalo still in the odds markets, which way did you vote?
42:23Yeah, I gotta say through three games I
42:26Kind of agree what we have seen from them has been pretty
42:31Impressive and I think they're doing it with some new pieces and we mentioned it earlier Ben
42:36I'm more impressed with the defensive side of the ball than the offensive side of the ball
42:40And did you notice also the expression on Josh Allen as he's playing in these games now?
42:46Does he does he seem uptight to you?
42:48Does he seem like even before I eat looks like he's in a really good spot. And I think that is
42:57Fantastic news for the Buffalo Bills and Buffalo Bill fans, so I agree
43:00I think they are right now the best in the National Football League
43:06depending what emphasis you want to play our pay on drama or if there was actually
43:13drama and poor relationships between a couple of former Buffalo Bill wide receivers and Josh Allen
43:20I'll let you do that
43:21But there is no doubt even with a casting crew that on paper
43:26Seems like it is a negative as compared to the last few years
43:30It really has not been Josh does seem happy Khalil Shakir has stepped up
43:35Dalton Kincaid the best game of his season so far
43:39James Cook continues to be consistent both on the ground and as a receiver out of the backfield at least
43:4685 scrimmage yards in all three games for Buffalo
43:49Keon Coleman fighting painter last night the rookie wideout out of Florida State via, Michigan State
43:55It has been a good recipe this year for Buffalo Joe. I voted for Buffalo
44:00I wanted to vote for other but I couldn't really think of anybody that really deserves the vote right now again
44:06I was high on the Bengals entering this year. They have not been good
44:10How the Ravens entered the year with the third best Super Bowl price? No the Cowboys
44:14Absolutely, not the San Francisco 49ers still the NFC favorites ever so slightly tied for that second best price alongside
44:22Buffalo to win Super Bowl 59
44:24I don't know how you could argue the Niners being one of the best teams so far in the NFL even if your outlook
44:30Remains optimistic. I would not be injuries a huge concern for San Francisco
44:36Not just week four or five or six
44:38But really beyond that Christian McCaffrey headed to Germany to get his Achilles tendonitis
44:43Checked on now. We mentioned those two teams that we listed Buffalo and KC
44:49Two of the three are two of the five teams, excuse me that have started unbeaten three and Oh the three others
44:57Seattle
44:58Pittsburgh
44:59Minnesota Joe our guy mammoth hops a frequent replier and a frequent visitor of sports grid
45:05We appreciate his time and patronage always didn't reply with
45:10Minnesota we talked about Sam Donald and his MVP
45:14Kennedy see you've got the Vikings off to a surprising three and Oh start the Steelers just keep winning football games as the underdog or
45:21Covering as the favorite there three, you know, Seattle is three
45:25You know
45:25You could argue competition for the Seahawks and I would hear it and if the other three
45:30Teams not name the Bills and the Chiefs that you are buying stock into being there at the end of the road when all is said
45:37and done
45:39Yeah, I mean listen, it's it's been very very impressive with what Minnesota and Sam Donald have
45:46Have been able to accomplish here
45:48I mean there is no doubt that we did we need to take them a little more seriously
45:54Especially the way Flores has got them playing
45:56but the simple fact that the New York Jets are on this list at 18 to 1 and
46:02Aaron Rodgers has clearly
46:04looked
46:05Much better in that last game where he's moving better out of the pocket
46:10The rust seems to have gone off the weapons. They have the style they play
46:15This is all about who do we trust to win games in the elements been in?
46:21November and December do we trust Sam Donald? I
46:25Don't know that I'm going to I trust Aaron Rodgers in those spots before I would trust Sam Donald
46:32and listen best team through week three versus best team through
46:3818 weeks and playoff consideration different stories, but to Joe's point
46:43It's why you can still find some value right now in those Super Bowl 59 odds
46:48Because you do not win a Lombardi trophy for being three and Oh through three weeks Joe as we look at those
46:55Super Bowl prices and as you scan the numbers on your screen
47:00The Dallas Cowboys are the ninth best priced team to win a Super Bowl
47:07I don't know how you would ever bet that number now or in the preseason seeing as they have failed in
47:1313 playoff appearances since
47:151995 to even get to the NFC Championship game in the one thing Dallas has always been good for Joe
47:22Even with the playoff struggles great regular seasons each of the past three years. They have won 12 games
47:28They have won two of the last three NFC East
47:32crowns
47:33Dallas will get us started in week four on the road in MetLife
47:37Against the New York Giants in a divisional duel
47:40Both of these teams are one and two the Cowboys look lifeless
47:45Offensively outside of Dak Prescott and CD lamb. There ain't a whole lot going
47:50defensively, they look like a shell of what they had been the past couple of years under Dan Quinn now under the guidance of
47:56Mike Zimmer and yet the Cowboys remain a four and a half point favorite on the road in New York
48:02The early look for Thursday night football. What's it telling you?
48:07Well, it's telling me that
48:10the Cowboys have some serious issues and the and the issues have more to do on the defensive side of the ball than
48:17Anything else? I don't know what they thought they got on that side of the ball, but
48:24Outside of a lot of finger pointing. Yeah. No, that's that's never a good spot in three game
48:30What three games here and already we've got guys on both sides of the ball pointing fingers at their teammates
48:36Ben we all know how that ends and it's not good. It's usually with a coaching change at some point during the season. Oh
48:45Boy, and Mike McCarthy not like he's under contract beyond this year
48:49The Giants Joe since the start of last season are nine nine in one against the spread as an underdog
48:5619 of 20 games a dog just saying they're not all that bad covering up