Haberman on why Trump may have insulted Detroit in Detroit
CNN political analyst Maggie Haberman discusses why Former President Donald Trump may have criticized
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00:00Right now we want to check in on the state of the presidential race in the breaking news we
00:03witnessed a few moments ago President Obama's first public appearance on the campaign trail
00:07for Vice President Harris his remarks in Pennsylvania were the first and what the
00:10campaign has said will be a major final push by the former president to help get out the
00:15vote in battleground states this is what he told a large crowd moments ago in Pittsburgh
00:19specifically the men watching. And by the way I'm sorry gentlemen I've noticed this especially
00:28with some men who seem to think Trump's behavior the bullying and the putting people down
00:36is a sign of strength.
00:40And I am I am here to tell you that is not what real strength is it never has been.
00:48Real strength is about working hard and carrying a heavy load without complaining.
00:59Real strength is about taking responsibility for your actions and telling the truth even
01:06when it's inconvenient. Real strength is about helping people who need it and standing up for
01:12those who can't always stand up for themselves. That is what we should want for our daughters
01:18and for our sons and that is what I want to see in a president of the United States of America.
01:28I'll join us now as former senior advisor President Obama David Axelrod New York Times
01:31senior political correspondent Maggie Haberman also former Trump campaign advisor David Urban
01:35and Jamal Simmons former communications director for Vice President Harris. First of all Maggie
01:41Haberman let me let me start with you. What do you make of I mean seeing President Obama back
01:47on on the trail how effective do you think he is and how concerned do you think the the Trump
01:53campaign might be? Look there's nobody like Obama for Democrats as a surrogate there just isn't
02:00there really is no performer like him in the country frankly delivering that kind of a message
02:05and able to connect with the audience the way he is. I think the Trump campaign would rather not
02:10have President Obama out there I think that this is you know it contrasts pretty strikingly with
02:16what Trump is saying. Obama is talking about a forward-looking message and about you know taking
02:22care of other people and that's the opposite of a very apocalyptic version of the country
02:27coming from Trump. It has to mobilize people and so we'll see if it has that effect but this is
02:32because there is a lot of concern on the Harris team about how her numbers are just not where
02:38they would like them to be with black and Latino men and specifically younger black and Latino men
02:43and there's just nobody like Obama to be able to deliver that specific message. Jamal I mean what
02:50do you make of this appeal from Obama to men and we should note earlier today at a stop at a Harris
02:55campaign office he said flat out he thinks some black men may be unsure about electing a woman
03:00president. As Maggie said there is nobody like Barack Obama he is the kind of most popular Democrat
03:06who's been elected. I mean I think Michelle Obama is probably more popular than Barack Obama
03:10but other than Michelle Obama he's probably the most popular Democrat out there. One thing for
03:15us to be sober about is you know for Democrats of a certain age Barack Obama is a rock star
03:21but he's kind of a throwback to young people. I mean if you think about this this way nobody
03:25under the age of 30 has ever voted for Barack Obama before. I was talking to a 26 year old
03:32colleague at one point and started talking about the 2008 campaign who said to me
03:36oh yeah I kind of remember that I was in middle school when that happened right.
03:40So this is all very sobering for those of us you know who remember this vividly.
03:44So Barack Obama is somebody who is compelling but for those younger voters who she's really
03:49trying to reach the ones under 35 the ones who've never voted for Barack Obama before
03:53they're going to need some other surrogates who are also out there making the same message
03:57that Barack Obama, President Obama is making today. Jamal as someone who was born in 1967
04:04I'm not even going to ask you when you were born. Let me go to David Axelrod. David
04:08you'll understand. David so I want to play yeah I know I want to play something that
04:14that the former president said about President Trump because he went after him pretty hard tonight.
04:20And the reason some people think well I don't know I remember that economy when he first came
04:27in being pretty good. Yeah it was pretty good because it was my economy. The other day his
04:32running mate had the nerve to say Donald Trump salvaged the Affordable Care Act.
04:37I mean
04:47Donald Trump spent his entire presidency trying to tear it down and by the way he
04:54couldn't even do that right. With Kamala you've got actual plans. Trump concepts of a plan.
05:02You know to Jamal's point David there are a lot of young people who do not you know have the same
05:11perhaps you know personal feeling toward former President Obama that that Democrats who voted
05:17for him do have. Do you think he's effective? Yeah well first of all Jamal's right there need
05:22to be other surrogates out there and perhaps surrogates who are closer to the demo. But let
05:27me tell you something. I don't care who you are or what you knew or didn't know walking into that
05:33room. That speech was a riveting speech. That speech was a value laden speech. That speech was
05:41rooted in truth and facts. But and you know the value laden piece of it is the most important.
05:49You know I've always said and I think this is something that President Obama believed strongly
05:53is that you know democracy is a is a is a battle between cynicism and hope. And he's always chosen
06:00the hope side of that equation. And that is infectious. And I don't I don't think you have
06:06to have known him from his previous incarnation as president to appreciate the words he spoke
06:12tonight and how he's how he speaks them. You know he doesn't give speeches. He gives talks. He has
06:19a conversation with the audience and it's very very effective.
06:26David Ervin do you think the Trump campaign should be worried about the former president
06:30from President Obama that he's going to be able to motivate some of the young black men
06:35especially to to go to the polls? Well I can't speak to young black men Anderson obviously.
06:40I'm not I'm not the guy's an old white guy. But let me give you a few data points that I just
06:46for consideration to you know people in Pennsylvania do not forget in 2008 when Barack
06:50Obama was at a fundraiser in San Francisco referring to them as bitter and clinging into
06:55guns and religion. And I could tell you as somebody on the ground on election night in 2016 before
07:03election night 2016 Independence Hall we had Barack and Michelle Obama, John Bon Jovi, Bruce
07:09Springsteen, Beyonce, Jay-Z, and a cast of thousands roughly 35,000 people were there.
07:15None of that Barack Obama magic transferred to Hillary Clinton. So I'm not particularly concerned
07:20about that. And then interestingly Axel David Axelrod probably know the statistics better on
07:25this but in in 2008 Obama crushed it in Pennsylvania did extremely well. In 2012 he did less well.
07:32He lost the state by a little bit over more than 300,000 voters so was the first second term
07:38president elected with less popular votes than any other president modern history. And many of
07:42those votes that he lost those 300,000 came from counties in western Pennsylvania. Those Democrats
07:47are now Trump Republicans. So I'm not quite sure that Republicans are quaking in their boots about
07:52Barack Obama campaigning in Pennsylvania. Just just just just I think you misspoke. He didn't
07:58lose Pennsylvania in 2012. Thank you. He won the state twice. No no Ax. He lost by three he lost
08:05he won but by 300,000 votes less. He lost 300,000 votes in 2012 over his 2008 total. He became less
08:14popular. Yeah especially in western Pennsylvania. We went through we went through an epic economic
08:20crisis during that period that he helped lead us out of. But yes there were reverberations from
08:24that in that election there's no doubt about it. Maggie as you know the former president was in
08:30Detroit today used his speech to criticize Detroit the city he was in. I just want to play that.
08:38I don't think anything that we're talking about today is high on her list.
08:41The whole country is going to be like you want to know the truth. It'll be like Detroit. Our whole
08:46country will end up being like Detroit if she's your president. Well we're a developing nation
08:50too. Just take a look at Detroit. Detroit's a developing Detroit's a developing area
08:57a hell of a lot more than most places in China.
09:02No some people might look at that and say why would he trash the city with the city he is
09:06speaking in. Is he is that a calculation because he thinks he's you know not particularly popular
09:11in Detroit itself but is appealing to others in in Michigan and elsewhere.
09:17I think he was appealing to the people in that room who were a group of largely white businessmen
09:21as I understand it. You could hear there was applause when he said the line but to your point
09:25this is going to appear in local news outside of that room and insulting the city that you're in
09:33especially one with a large number of black voters is not usually a prescription that gets
09:40made for candidates. We'll see if it matters to him. He's been saying things like this
09:44for a very long time about various communities that he goes into. It hasn't always mattered
09:48but it can have a cumulative effect especially in races that are very tight. It's certainly
09:53not something that I think his his advisors would have liked that he said. I think calling
09:57it a developing nation was something that you will see again used by his opponents.
10:04Yeah Anderson as the resident Detroiter here, the one who was born and raised there, let me just say
10:09one thing. The one thing you cannot do is come to Detroit as an outsider and talk bad about it. We
10:14may talk bad about it to each other but you can't come in and talk bad about it and let me just say
10:19that the Detroit that he's probably referencing is like a 30-year-old reference. The Detroit today
10:24has young people from all over the suburbs, all over the metropolitan area who are moving into
10:30the city, developing new places and so I think the part that Trump is trying to do is really a
10:36leftover from an earlier era. I think he's going to find that's going to
10:40hurt him in southeast Michigan not help him.