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(Current Affairs)
Host:
- Kashif Abbasi
Guest:
- Asad Umar (Senior Leader)
Mulki Siyasat Kis taraf Jarahi hai...? Kashif Abbasi's Bold Analysis
"Koi Ye Samajta Hai kay Islamabad Waqiye Ka Reaction Nahi Hoga Tou..." Asad Umar's Huge Statement
"PTI Workers ka ghussa sirf Imran Khan hi rok sakta hai..." - Asad Umar
Bani PTI ke paas aakhri card kya ho sakta hai?
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(Current Affairs)
Host:
- Kashif Abbasi
Guest:
- Asad Umar (Senior Leader)
Mulki Siyasat Kis taraf Jarahi hai...? Kashif Abbasi's Bold Analysis
"Koi Ye Samajta Hai kay Islamabad Waqiye Ka Reaction Nahi Hoga Tou..." Asad Umar's Huge Statement
"PTI Workers ka ghussa sirf Imran Khan hi rok sakta hai..." - Asad Umar
Bani PTI ke paas aakhri card kya ho sakta hai?
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, dear viewers, you are watching the program with me, Kashif Abbasi.
00:16The situation in which arrogance and ego are involved, destroys things.
00:21In our country, or in our system, the capacity to solve problems is diminishing.
00:29In our country, crises either increase or decrease.
00:34The capacity in a system to somehow end a crisis,
00:40that capacity is not in our system.
00:43In the past few years, we have gone from one crisis to another.
00:48And what is peace?
00:50The time between two crises is a working time, which we see in this country.
00:57This is a very unfortunate thing.
01:00But what is happening?
01:02What has happened in the past few days and weeks?
01:05In Islamabad, the bureaucracy of Punjab and the bureaucracy of Islamabad,
01:12are standing up for the government.
01:16I have been watching a lot of press conferences for the past few days.
01:19Yesterday, I heard the press conference of BPO Attock.
01:23The bureaucrats who are becoming part of the political agenda of the government,
01:27this is a very unfortunate thing.
01:29And they are being used as a tool to advance the political agenda of the government.
01:34When government employees are making decisions in press conferences,
01:38that who is allowed to protest and who is not,
01:41who is a politician and who is a terrorist,
01:43who has been given the task of protecting people by the law,
01:46when they stand in the front line to beat up people, to break their cars,
01:49and to advance the political agenda of the government,
01:53then think about it, the self-destruct button of this country,
01:57or the action, starts.
01:59This is also the reason for the destruction of this country.
02:02That the bureaucracy is slowly destroying the values of the law and morality.
02:09To strengthen it, everyone has taken a step.
02:12The formula has been the same for the past few years.
02:15A political agenda is formed, everyone comes to a page,
02:19that page works for some time,
02:21it has a beneficiary, it has another victim,
02:25then that page bursts.
02:27A new book comes, a new page comes on it.
02:30Some people get together on that page.
02:33The beneficiaries change, the victims change.
02:36In this country, the page should only be of the constitution.
02:39When political desires become law, then the system is destroyed.
02:43And this is the wonder of this country.
02:46Political desires become law.
02:48Every institution has its own story of destruction.
02:51How the interference in the institutions started.
02:54We have destroyed institutions one by one in the past 76 years.
02:57And how do they happen?
02:59When the people who work in them,
03:01leave the law, principles and morality,
03:04meet other powerful people.
03:06Whether they are for personal or economic benefit,
03:09or for any benefit of their own.
03:11We have seen for many years,
03:13when the government comes,
03:15a certain set of bureaucrats,
03:17wear their suits and say,
03:19our government has come.
03:21When the government leaves,
03:23someone else comes,
03:25then another set of bureaucrats get ready.
03:27I read Mr. Tariq Khosla's column in Dawn.
03:30In his column, he expressed great disappointment
03:33with the bureaucracy.
03:35But the most disappointing was seen
03:37by the election commissioner of Pakistan.
03:39The chief election commissioner has defamed
03:41the civil services so much,
03:43that his former colleagues openly call him
03:45immoral and unethical.
03:48He has caused a huge loss
03:50to a high-ranking office
03:52of public trust and responsibility.
03:55And by deceiving the current political engineers,
03:58he has also violated the orders
04:00of the Supreme Court.
04:02What does he say about the police?
04:04He says that the senior officers of the police
04:06have been dragged into
04:08extremely strange and shameful situations.
04:12And they are dragged into these situations
04:14and they get them to do things
04:16that many police officers do not want to do.
04:18Politics.
04:20Where is our country's politics?
04:22We have destroyed it.
04:24In the beginning itself,
04:26the system was seized by the force of the gun.
04:28Compromised leaderships were imposed.
04:30Such decisions were made
04:32that the country suffered
04:34a huge loss.
04:36They were brought forward
04:38who make deals,
04:40compromise,
04:42and consider the trading of principles
04:44to be politics.
04:46Such politicians have been made
04:48who are more of a trader than a politician.
04:50There is a strange trend in this country
04:52to make deals.
04:54What is politics?
04:56I have not seen in America
04:58that when Donald Trump or
05:00Biden's government
05:02makes deals,
05:04we do the same.
05:06In our country,
05:08you are not a politician
05:10because you do not make deals.
05:12You do not compromise with others.
05:14We have a strange definition here
05:16that politics is the art of the possible.
05:18But what is to be made possible?
05:20Not to reduce the problems
05:22and difficulties of the people,
05:24but how can we move forward?
05:26This is a very unfortunate reality
05:28of Pakistani politics.
05:32Because our politicians
05:34were ruined,
05:36the bureaucrats were ruined.
05:38Politicians needed bureaucrats
05:40who could work
05:42according to their will.
05:44In all this process,
05:46in 76 years,
05:48the country was ruined.
05:50Who is standing?
05:52Look at Adria.
05:54Khosa was not very happy
05:56about this,
05:58but we have seen Adria in the last few years.
06:00In 8 years of country politics,
06:02what are we seeing?
06:04Election theft.
06:06The theft of elections has become normal.
06:08It is a routine process.
06:10Whenever there is a debate,
06:12we see the February elections.
06:14How does a Form 47 come
06:16and everything becomes legal?
06:18Even today, the Election Commission
06:20has passed the order
06:22to three seats in Islamabad
06:24to see them as retired judges.
06:26That was the first law.
06:28How will this system
06:30complete its five-year plan?
06:32We are moving towards new normalcy.
06:34When someone's wife and children
06:36are kidnapped,
06:38there is a lot of chaos.
06:40This is becoming a part
06:42of our politics.
06:44It should be misunderstood,
06:46but we don't understand it.
06:48It should be condemned,
06:50but we don't do it.
06:52This is becoming our politics.
06:54It is a very unfortunate thing.
06:56We have seen what happened
06:58in Islamabad.
07:00Where are we going?
07:02Asad Umar is with us.
07:04He will talk about PTI politics.
07:06Asad, what should we do
07:08about the 26th of November?
07:10Our system is losing
07:12conflict resolution.
07:14Kashif, the 26th of November
07:16should be forced.
07:18Every person in Pakistan
07:20who has the power
07:22to decide the future
07:24of their country,
07:26whether he is a politician
07:28or a statesman,
07:30has the power to do so.
07:32What happened that day,
07:34the press conference,
07:36is happening from one side
07:38and from the other.
07:40When atomic weapons came into the world,
07:42there was a threat of war.
07:44If there is an atomic war,
07:46both sides will end.
07:48There is a concept called
07:50Escalation Ladder.
07:52Kashif Abbasi and Asad Umar
07:54have a conflict.
07:56Kashif Abbasi does some work.
07:58If Asad Umar takes
08:00a bigger step
08:02than his reaction,
08:04then Kashif Abbasi
08:06will take a bigger step.
08:08One-upmanship.
08:10If you look at
08:12Pakistan from 2008 to 2022,
08:14as you said,
08:16there was no clean politics.
08:18There was no intervention.
08:20In an equilibrium,
08:22the plays are changing.
08:24For the last 2-2.5 years,
08:26I have seen that
08:28just like the Nuclear Escalation Ladder,
08:30we have an Escalation Ladder.
08:32Political Escalation Ladder.
08:34And if the situation
08:36reaches here,
08:38that in Pakistan's Dar-ul-Hakumat,
08:40from the Supreme Court
08:42and Parliament,
08:44blood is flowing on the roads
08:46at a distance of 1-2 km,
08:48all the independent
08:50reviews say that
08:52the bullets were fired,
08:54blood was flowing, people were martyred.
08:56The only debate is
08:58how many were martyred
09:00and the police version
09:02is that they also fired.
09:04But the government's version
09:06is that they did not fire.
09:08There is no doubt
09:10that the bullets were fired.
09:12Most independent journalists
09:14and those journalists
09:16believe that the bullets
09:18were fired by the police.
09:20But I am saying that
09:22the people who were martyred
09:24were also Pakistanis
09:26and those who came to
09:28use their own rights
09:30were also Pakistanis.
09:32If the situation has reached here,
09:34then don't think that
09:36something so big
09:38has no consequences.
09:40Actions have consequences.
09:42There will be a reaction.
09:44If you have taken the right
09:46decisions at this time,
09:48then you may be successful
09:50in getting the country
09:52out of this crisis
09:54after such a big incident
09:56and you may go towards
09:58improvement or
10:00further deterioration.
10:02The last part of the escalation
10:04ladder is that when you
10:06reach near the nuclear war,
10:08then events start happening
10:10very quickly.
10:12It used to happen after months.
10:14Maybe we don't even have
10:16enough time to move back.
10:18Is there conflict resolution
10:20in this system?
10:22No.
10:24Because the positions
10:26have become so hardened.
10:28And after every action
10:30on both sides,
10:32the positions have become
10:34more hardened.
10:36If you look at the people's
10:38side, then anger is
10:40very high.
10:42You know what the people
10:44are saying.
10:46In the same way,
10:48you are coming to the
10:50press conference and
10:52telling the politicians
10:54what they are thinking.
10:56You know that
10:58I am not in any other
11:00political party.
11:02I live in Tariq-e-Insaaf.
11:04I give more advice to Tariq-e-Insaaf.
11:06But at this time,
11:08the responsibility lies
11:10with the governments.
11:12When the temperature rises,
11:14then the government has to take
11:16the responsibility.
11:18Kashif, if someone
11:20is sitting in the government,
11:22I don't think so.
11:24The experienced politicians
11:26like Iyaz Sadiq,
11:28Rahna Sanaullah,
11:30and other old politicians
11:32will be very worried
11:34at this time.
11:36Because it is not possible
11:38that where the situation is going,
11:40the government will not be harmed.
11:42Sir, let's call this ladder a ladder.
11:44There is a ladder on which
11:46someone is climbing.
11:48Tell me, what is the way
11:50to get down from here?
11:52Is there a negotiation
11:54between the government and the PTI?
11:56Because the PTI does not agree.
11:58They say there will be negotiations
12:00only with the establishment.
12:02How do you see it?
12:04The PTI does not agree
12:06that they should definitely
12:08negotiate with the government.
12:10Does the government have
12:12the power to make all decisions?
12:14No, there is no doubt about it.
12:16Does the government look
12:18morally capable?
12:20Do the people of Pakistan
12:22think that they have won the majority
12:24by voting?
12:26They do not think so.
12:28It is a matter of legitimacy.
12:30But this is a political party.
12:32You should definitely
12:34talk to them.
12:36But there is another argument.
12:38What is the argument?
12:40If any one of the four points
12:42from the point of view of justice
12:44is accepted by the government,
12:46then the government falls.
12:48Election order, the government goes,
12:50removing Imran Khan,
12:52following the law,
12:54then the government falls.
12:56You have said a very big thing.
12:58If Imran Khan comes out,
13:00what are you doing?
13:02It is important to play cricket and football.
13:04It is important to govern.
13:06What will happen if Imran Khan comes out?
13:08Do you agree with me or not?
13:10Absolutely.
13:12I say that Mr. Tariq-e-Insaab
13:14should have only one demand.
13:16If only Imran Khan is brought out,
13:18everything will happen by itself.
13:20What can the government give now?
13:22As an outsider, I will tell you.
13:24I hear this a lot.
13:26We are coming here in 2014
13:28What was our demand?
13:30Nawaz Sharif should resign.
13:32What government wanted to talk to us?
13:34Can we get Nawaz Sharif's government?
13:36No, we can't.
13:38Despite that, we sat down,
13:40the government sat down,
13:42and in the end,
13:44the Judicial Commission was formed
13:46through the same negotiations.
13:48So the way is clear.
13:50I think if you want that on 26th,
13:52the blood of the Pakistanis flowed,
13:54including the soldiers of the Rangers
13:56should not be wasted.
13:58Do not let this opportunity go.
14:00At this time,
14:02everyone has come out,
14:04the press is reading,
14:06people are hiding.
14:08They are working with arrogance.
14:10Tell me one thing.
14:12The establishment is not ready to talk.
14:14They are angry in their own place.
14:16The establishment and the army
14:18and the PTA should not be
14:20kept in one room.
14:22The decision that the government
14:24will take after their pay grade
14:26should be their responsibility.
14:28Ultimately, it is possible that
14:30the establishment and the PTA
14:32can talk directly,
14:34but on the first day...
14:36But I am asking you,
14:38as a politician,
14:40why will the government talk?
14:42The government will talk because...
14:44The government knows one thing,
14:46that there are two things here.
14:48One is their fear.
14:50They say,
14:52let's start a conversation with Imran Khan.
14:54Those who brought us here,
14:56they will say,
14:58if we want to talk,
15:00we can't do it.
15:02Let's dump us.
15:04They will go to Khansab and
15:06Khansab will deal with it.
15:08This is their fear.
15:10This is their fear.
15:12This is their fear.
15:14This is their fear.
15:16This is their fear.
15:18This is their fear.
15:20The establishment
15:22doesn't need to be in the room.
15:24But the establishment
15:26needs the approval of the government
15:28that we are sitting with the PTA.
15:30They will definitely need
15:32this approval from the establishment.
15:34So the first threat is over.
15:36Now you come to the second.
15:38All three parties have
15:40something to gain from this.
15:42The second part,
15:44you are saying that Imran Khan
15:46will put us in jail.
15:48You are saying that Imran Khan
15:50will put us in jail.
15:52You are saying that Imran Khan
15:54will put us in jail.
15:56You are saying that Imran Khan
15:58will put us in jail.
16:00You are saying that Imran Khan
16:02will put us in jail.
16:04You are saying that Imran Khan
16:06will put us in jail.
16:08You are saying that Imran Khan
16:10will put us in jail.
16:12You are saying that Imran Khan
16:14will put us in jail.
16:16He can put you in jail as he wishes.
16:18Talk to him.
16:20Why are you not talking to him?
16:22It is difficult to say.
16:24Maybe what you are saying
16:26is anger, ego and
16:28power within.
16:30And you asked me why should
16:32the government do it.
16:34And look at this.
16:36You know that in Pakistan and India
16:38three wars, Siachen, Kargil
16:40and what all happened.
16:42You know that Pakistan's DGMO
16:44Indian DGMO
16:46I said three wars.
16:48Kargil and Siachen.
16:50Kargil and Siachen.
16:52Kargil and Siachen.
16:54Kargil and Siachen.
16:56Despite that Pakistan's DGMO
16:58Despite that Pakistan's DGMO
17:00and India's hotline.
17:02Because when you
17:04break the communication
17:06when you work on
17:08guessing the intentions of others
17:10there can be a big destruction.
17:12That is why I am saying
17:14But you saw that Busha Bibi
17:16gave a message to the institutions.
17:18She said that we will not take revenge
17:20if someone has this fear.
17:22She thinks that it is possible
17:24but there is no answer to that.
17:26Look, let's decide one thing.
17:28The system is not giving an answer.
17:30The system is not ready to negotiate.
17:32Imran Khan's party, when Tariq Khan
17:34left on 24th August,
17:36was only told to sit down and
17:38discuss.
17:40The government was saying
17:42that the negotiations will not happen.
17:44They can sit as long as they want.
17:46This is a thought in the system.
17:48This is not a thought in the system.
17:50This is not a thought in the system.
17:52You asked me why should the government
17:54negotiate.
17:56Because the government is more afraid
17:58that if Imran Khan comes out
18:00they will bring down the government
18:02and the government will be theirs.
18:04More than that, remember
18:06that this is a family limited party.
18:08They have to do politics.
18:10Ghaffar Khan, Wali Khan,
18:12Aswanyar Wali, Ahmad Wali
18:14Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto,
18:16Benazir Bhutto,
18:18Bilawal Bhutto,
18:20Nawaz Sharif,
18:22Mariam Nawaz,
18:24Junaid,
18:26Junaid Inshallah,
18:28they will also come.
18:30The politics they have done
18:32in the last two years
18:34or not,
18:36it has come out that
18:38at least the Muslim League
18:40has reached the stage
18:42to end their politics.
18:44Political parties are falling.
18:46I will get the answer to this
18:48after the break.
18:50They must be thinking
18:52that if we
18:54sustain this thing
18:56for 3-5 years,
18:58Imran Khan becomes older
19:00and somehow
19:02popularity will end.
19:04I used to say
19:06when Punjab and KPK elections came,
19:08they used to say that
19:10their strategy is based on hope
19:12that Imran Khan will do something
19:14and become unpopular.
19:16Hope is never a good strategy.
19:18I think that hope is still there
19:20that maybe something will happen.
19:22Kashif, may Allah give him life
19:24but sometime
19:26he will pass on
19:28and then the next generation will come.
19:30The politics that the Muslim League
19:32is doing,
19:34the vote bank,
19:36the new generation,
19:38they don't have to vote
19:40for the next 30 years.
19:42Imran Khan's issue
19:44has come out.
19:46Everyone should understand
19:48that look at the next generation
19:50which is between 18-30.
19:52Nobody is taking them seriously.
19:54Everyone will be fine.
19:56Pakistan is also like this.
19:58Let's take a break.
20:00Welcome back.
20:02Asad sir,
20:0426th is a very important date now.
20:06Whatever happened on 26th.
20:08There should be a judicial commission
20:10because the government
20:12clearly said that they didn't shoot.
20:14It's such an absolute term.
20:16Judicial commission judges
20:18should be the ones
20:20that everyone trusts.
20:22There should be 100%
20:24and I'll tell you why it's important.
20:26Don't underestimate what happened on 26th
20:28and what the consequences
20:30could be for the country.
20:32What impact has it had on the society?
20:34What impact has it had on the people?
20:36What impact has it had on the youth?
20:38What kind of emotions
20:40and feelings are arising?
20:42If you don't control
20:44it,
20:46you will make a big mistake.
20:48And the best way to control it
20:50is clear.
20:52Your hands are clean.
20:54You are saying that you didn't shoot.
20:56The judicial commission should be formed.
20:58The findings of the judicial commission
21:00should be revealed.
21:02It will make a big difference.
21:04You are absolutely right.
21:06Especially if there are such judges
21:08and if you feel that a judge
21:10is against the government,
21:12don't include him.
21:14There are such judges
21:16in the Supreme Court
21:18who are considered unbiased.
21:20But we have talked about this
21:22briefly before.
21:24You are saying that
21:26this can be the solution.
21:28But do you have the intention
21:30to solve the problem
21:32or do you use force?
21:34There can be two reasons for this.
21:36One is that
21:38the analysis of the situation
21:40is wrong.
21:42The dangers you and I are seeing
21:44are not dangerous at all.
21:46There is no danger.
21:48If there is no danger,
21:50then what is the need to worry?
21:52Why should I talk to anyone?
21:54The second reason is that
21:56there is a danger.
21:58But do you think that
22:00I can control this danger
22:02by using more force?
22:04Can I control this problem
22:06by using more force?
22:10This is what I am talking about
22:12in the escalation ladder.
22:14I see the danger increasing.
22:16The steps are increasing.
22:18But Imran Khan
22:20interestingly said yesterday
22:22that there is no protest.
22:24Go and raise this issue
22:26in the assembly.
22:28Why?
22:30Obviously, I don't know
22:32what was in his mind at that time.
22:34But what I am saying
22:36from the government's point of view
22:38is the same as Imran Khan's point of view.
22:40But can this be the reason
22:42that it is a very big event
22:44and we have to focus on this
22:46and tell people what happened?
22:48It is such a big thing
22:50that your center is martyred,
22:52injured and thousands are arrested.
22:54In that environment,
22:56if the leader says
22:58that he will call again,
23:00earlier there was no expectation
23:02that the bullet will be fired.
23:04But your escalation ladder argument
23:06is fueled by this
23:08that he should call again
23:10because there is anger
23:12and people should come out
23:14in anger.
23:16If any such statement
23:18is made by Barrister Gauhar
23:20or Salman Akram Raja
23:22or Umar Ayub Khan
23:24then people should be martyred
23:26because there is blood and corpses lying around.
23:28What are you talking about?
23:30This step can only come from there.
23:32It can come from Imran Khan's level.
23:34That is why it will come from the highest level.
23:36I think
23:38this should be the basis
23:40that because a reasonable statement
23:42has come from there,
23:44we should try to find a solution
23:46based on this statement.
23:50All three parties,
23:52government, establishment
23:54and PTI
23:56have the capacity
23:58to find a solution
24:00for themselves.
24:02Right now.
24:04Do you think
24:06this space will remain open?
24:08By that you don't know
24:10what will happen tomorrow.
24:12PTI's leadership
24:14because you have been
24:16in that leadership role
24:18for a long time.
24:20A lot of people
24:22after seeing Tariq-e-Insaaf's leadership
24:24like I heard yesterday
24:26later I came to know that
24:28Mr. Khan spoke harshly
24:30but Mr. Gauhar
24:32was very toned down
24:34and gave a good press conference.
24:36Do you think there is a leadership crisis
24:38in PTI right now?
24:40There is definitely
24:42a leadership crisis in PTI.
24:44There are two reasons.
24:46Barista Gauhar
24:48was not in the party
24:502-2.5 years ago.
24:52Salman Akharon Raja
24:54was not in the party
24:562-2.5 years ago.
24:58So there are a lot of people
25:00sitting in key positions.
25:02The people who were sitting
25:04have left the party.
25:06The people who have
25:08left the party
25:10are good people.
25:12The people I have named
25:14are good people.
25:16They are capable people.
25:18They are honest people.
25:20Barista Gauhar and Salman Akharon Raja.
25:22But what about leadership material?
25:24I am not talking about leadership material.
25:26One problem is that
25:28your association with Imran Khan
25:30has been limited.
25:32If you have a close mind with Imran Khan
25:34then your mind is also shaped.
25:36If you have seen Imran Khan's
25:38100 decisions,
25:40his 10 years of long marches,
25:42elections,
25:44then you can understand how
25:46Imran Khan reacts.
25:48Secondly,
25:50the connection with workers
25:52is not that strong.
25:54You can hear a lot of
25:56criticism.
25:58One reason for that is
26:00there is no connection.
26:02I am sure
26:04there are no phone numbers
26:06of 8000-10000 PTA workers
26:08with whom he knows personally.
26:10When he is looking at Salman Akharon Raja,
26:12he is making assumptions.
26:14Is that why Bushra Bibi took over?
26:16He took over because
26:18the crisis of leadership
26:20or the credibility gap has increased.
26:22Especially when Ali Amin came.
26:24People don't know anything.
26:26By the way, people are admitting it.
26:28They didn't know what would happen
26:30after coming here.
26:32He took over because
26:34he has a family.
26:36I don't know why he took the decision.
26:38But,
26:40this Moroccan politics
26:42is rubbish.
26:44When such a big crisis comes,
26:46when this situation arises,
26:48Nusrat Bhutto had no interest in politics.
26:50But,
26:52both Nusrat Bhutto
26:54and Kulsoom Nawaz
26:56went back to politics
26:58when the situation normalized.
27:00So, I think
27:04when I saw the visuals
27:06when they were leaving Peshawar
27:08and Bibi was standing there,
27:10so many workers must have been
27:12charged.
27:14I think Kulsoom Nawaz is
27:16close to the formula.
27:18By the time Khan comes out,
27:20he will be in the background.
27:22I think so.
27:24Is there any room for Moroccan politics
27:26in PTA?
27:28I don't think so.
27:30Unless,
27:32Bibi has been in politics
27:34for 2-3 years
27:36so that she can
27:38emerge as an independent leader.
27:40Otherwise, there is no room for Moroccan politics.
27:42But,
27:44the thing that was missing
27:46in those 2-3 days,
27:48there is a gap between them
27:50and PTA's leadership.
27:52That should not happen.
27:54It should not come out.
27:56I also said that Bibi should have been
27:58in the container.
28:00It was a big issue.
28:02Khan sir said that he has
28:04one last card.
28:06I thought a lot
28:08whenever we talk about such things.
28:10What could it be?
28:12We run our horses
28:14of imagination.
28:16I think politicians say such things
28:18because they don't want to run out of options.
28:20How do you see it?
28:22It's the summer of 2017.
28:24Khan sir used to
28:26go to Nithya Gali.
28:28If you remember,
28:30he called me there.
28:32Wasim Akram also came there.
28:34Wasim Akram or Wasim Akram Plus?
28:36No, Wasim Akram.
28:38Wasim Akram.
28:40His wife was also there.
28:42Wasim Akram is narrating a story.
28:44He says that 3-4 boys are sitting
28:46in the room and talking.
28:48We have to go back.
28:50We have to go back.
28:52We have to discuss Lahore flight.
28:54We were talking about Lahore.
28:56The door knocked.
28:58The captain came in.
29:00He said that he is thinking
29:02that in the final,
29:04such and such combination
29:06should be played.
29:08Imran Khan's leadership
29:10essence is generating hope.
29:12Imran Khan will always
29:14even though
29:16he may not have the card
29:18but he has a card in his mind.
29:20I know that Imran Khan
29:22may not have the card
29:24but he will communicate
29:26and give hope to his supporters.
29:28Sometimes you don't want to say
29:30that I don't have anything left in my arsenal.
29:32Definitely not.
29:34Why did PTI fail?
29:36There was a big failure
29:38that PTI couldn't make alliances
29:40with JUIF for example.
29:42Because it's a personalised campaign.
29:44No, no.
29:46We haven't made any political alliances.
29:48We were with you.
29:50We were very successful
29:52in keeping them.
29:54Who brought them?
29:56Who brought them?
29:58PTI's politics
30:00PTI's politics
30:02PTI's politics
30:04PTI's politics
30:06PTI's politics
30:08PTI's politics
30:10PTI's politics
30:12PTI's positioning
30:14is within the political party
30:16is within the political party
30:18but it positioned itself
30:20against the political system.
30:22Not against an individual party
30:24but against a political system
30:26against the political system
30:28So PTI's DNA
30:30cannot be made an alliance.
30:32Theoretically,
30:34Maulana Fazlo Rehman
30:36has free power.
30:38But if Maulana Fazlo Rehman
30:40is doing it with PTI's workers
30:42Imran Khan protected Punjab leadership, were you surprised that Punjab did not respond?
30:49Again, I am not an individual leader, I can talk about Punjab, but comparing Punjab with KP is completely unlawful.
30:59In one place, in Punjab and Islamabad, the kind of crackdown, the kind of suppression,
31:07the kind of suppression, there is nothing like that in KP. KP has its own government, you can easily mobilize.
31:14There, the DPO is helping you.
31:18You could have come to the stage, you could have stood on the stage, you could have stood on the container.
31:22I am not talking about individuals, there should be a leader, or in general, you are right,
31:28but I am saying this as a collective, that you gave a chance to Punjab on 8th February,
31:34did you come out or not? Such a person came out on 8th February, Pakistan has never seen.
31:39In the end, Mr. Asad, who is the reason for not starting the negotiations and what?
31:44Government, 100%. See, the responsibility that is required, the responsibility of the government is required.
31:50Imran Khan's freedom is visible.
31:52It is very simple, yes, the short answer is yes.
31:56When is more difficult to say?
32:17Donald Trump could play a part, in your view?
32:26If you do an assessment, Donald Trump is a transactional person.
32:29Donald Trump is not the one who is called the friend of friends in Pakistan.
32:33This is not the history of Donald Trump.
32:36Donald Trump is a transactional person.
32:38If he feels that America has a benefit in helping Imran Khan.
32:44Or it can also have its own political benefit.
32:46Because if he has committed in the campaign that I will do this.
32:49Because the PTA is telling that the rich Pakistanis who did the funding campaign,
32:54they were told that I will do it.
32:56If this happens.
32:57Many promises are made.
32:58If they see their political gain or the gain of America, they will definitely do it.
33:03If they don't see it, then only on the basis that they like the person.
33:08That's not the impression of Donald Trump.
33:10Tell me in the end.
33:11You think this halt that Imran Khan has done is a temporary halt.
33:16In the future, this will happen.
33:19Till when are we going to see that?
33:22You have created space.
33:24At this time, I think there are two points of views.
33:27As I said before, Imran Khan must have taken a decision.
33:29One is that you cannot put your people in danger again immediately.
33:34And the second is that you also want to see that such a big incident has happened.
33:40Maybe the government will be serious now.
33:43Maybe they are joking.
33:44But we hope that they are joking.
33:48One is that they should definitely do it.
33:51Talk 100%.
33:52Have confidence in yourself.
33:54Look, the word deal has been defamed so much.
33:58If there is a deal, it should be done.
34:00Which deal?
34:01If the deal is that Imran Khan's personal gain has been achieved
34:04and the people of Pakistan have been thrown into the gutter, then it will be a very bad thing.
34:08If the deal is that the people of Pakistan are getting better and Imran Khan has no personal gain,
34:13then the deal should be done.
34:14Let's take a break, Nazim.
34:17Welcome back, Nazim.
34:18If we have to give political stability to this country,
34:23if we have to improve the system of this country,
34:26if we have to take this country forward,
34:28then the political or governmental parties are saying that we will have to use sticks,
34:33we will have to finish, finish the opponent.
34:36This situation is fine to that extent because they are in danger of their opponents.
34:41But is this a long-term solution to the problems of this country?
34:44No.
34:45The solution to this is dialogue.
34:48Politicians will have to talk to politicians.
34:52We will have to end each other's fears.
34:55How to run this country?
34:57How to run this country?
34:59These decisions will have to be made.
35:00This country can only move forward in one way.
35:03If it follows the rules,
35:05follows the law,
35:07then this country can move forward.
35:09The way we want to take this country forward,
35:11the way we want to run this country on the basis of our strength or our desires,
35:17this is not how the country will move forward.
35:20Conflict resolution.
35:22But the most important thing is how this country will run.
35:25On the other hand, today the PICA law was also discussed.
35:28Today it was said that it is also being amended.
35:31Imprisonment for five years,
35:33penalty for ten years.
35:35It seems that the government is going to weaponize this law as well.
35:40If there is a thought of taking action against someone,
35:45then this law will be used.
35:48The outside world has praised fake news.
35:51Its praise is the most important thing.
35:54What is fake news?
35:56False news doesn't qualify as fake news.
35:59Just because the news is wrong, it is not fake news.
36:02What are the consequences of this?
36:05All this is defined in the definition of the outside world.
36:08I hope that our government is not changing this law for social media control.
36:15In fact, this work should be done for checks and balances
36:20and all stakeholders should be included in it.
36:24So that everyone knows what is happening
36:27and this thing should not be abused.
36:30Jazakumullah Khair. Allah Hafiz.