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Host:
- Kashif Abbasi
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- Salman Akram Raja PTI
- Mian Javed Latif PMLN
"Imran Khan ko 6 January Ko Saza Hojayegi..." Salman Akram Raja's Reaction on Aleema Khan's Claim
"Agar Imran Khan Ya PTI Ka Maqsad Hukumat Hasil Karna Hota Tou..." Salman Akram Raja's Statement
"We Want Quick and Transparent Elections; it's the biggest issue..." Salman Akram Raja's Statement
"Why did Imran Khan Refer to Nawaz Sharif as the 12th player of politics?" Salman Akram Raja Reveals
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, dear viewers, you are watching the program with Kashif Abbasi.
00:15Today, we have met Chand Bukhla and Imran Khan in the jail again.
00:21Imran Khan's demands are in place.
00:23His demands are that the judicial commission should be made on the incidents of 9th, 26th and 26th of May.
00:31Imran Khan's demands are that the political prisoners should be released and then he can talk to me.
00:35I am ready to talk to him.
00:37If the government does not agree to these demands,
00:39the government is saying that there should be negotiations without demands.
00:43What will happen before that?
00:45We will talk about this as well.
00:47You listened to the press conference of DG ISPR on the 7th weekend.
00:51We had a good talk with them.
00:55A few words were chosen while talking about a political party,
00:59which should not be used or chosen.
01:03It would be better.
01:05It seems that the words that are usually used,
01:09Tashari, Tola, etc.
01:11A political statement is also made according to them.
01:13We will talk about that as well.
01:15Today, Imran Khan talked about the deal with the Taliban in 2020.
01:25Salman Khan is with us.
01:27Salman Khan, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
01:29Yes, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
01:31First of all, Imran Khan said that he will be punished on 6th January.
01:37Is this your calculation?
01:39Will Imran Khan be punished on 6th January?
01:43This is what the past tells us.
01:47The cases that have been tried in the courts,
01:51like the trial in Diyala Jail,
01:53there has been a punishment.
01:55This is another thing that the punishments have been delayed or ended.
01:59But here, the trial in the jail,
02:03we see only one purpose,
02:05that the punishment should be given.
02:07Obviously, nothing happens.
02:09I have been present in this trial in Al-Qadir.
02:13The government officials have admitted that
02:17neither has the government incurred a loss of money,
02:21nor has Mr. Khan or Ms. Bushra benefited from the money.
02:25In fact, this money,
02:27it was not proven in the UK that it was the money of the state of Pakistan.
02:31Despite this, this money came to Pakistan
02:33and is now in the treasury of the state of Pakistan.
02:35So, what is the case?
02:37This is beyond our understanding.
02:39But we will see.
02:41So, what is the case that you understand?
02:43I also understand what is beyond our understanding.
02:45Tell us what you understand.
02:47Look, this is the case.
02:49Look, this is the case.
02:51The judicial system has been used.
02:53Whether it is the case of Vedat,
02:55or the case of Saifur,
02:57or the case of Toshakhana.
02:59All these cases are in front of you,
03:01in front of the nation.
03:03They have been used for political pressure
03:05or as a political weapon.
03:07But Mr. Khan is not at all
03:09under the pressure of these weapons.
03:11I had a very good conversation with him today,
03:13one-to-one, after a while.
03:15So, Mr. Khan is very determined.
03:17And whatever happens,
03:19his goal is not to get a position.
03:21He has gone far beyond that.
03:23He is a historian,
03:25he is a journalist,
03:27he is a journalist,
03:29he is a journalist,
03:31he is fighting a historic war.
03:33He said very clearly that
03:35our goal is not to get a government
03:37or to become a prime minister.
03:39We have become the internal structure
03:41of Pakistan,
03:43on the basis of force,
03:45on the basis of lies,
03:47on the basis of fear,
03:49we will have to change that.
03:51Sir, but to win this war,
03:53you will have to make alliances.
03:55Because if the goal is to get the establishment
03:57out of this politics,
03:59then you will have to bring
04:01all your like-minded people
04:03with you to the political parties.
04:05For example,
04:07today I was watching,
04:09Mr. Nawaz Sharif was mentioned
04:11and it came in the context of
04:13Rana Sanaw Allah's suggestion
04:15that if Nawaz Sharif,
04:17Asif Zardari and Imran Khan
04:19are brought together,
04:21then the solution to the problem
04:23of 70 years will be found.
04:25And what answer did Imran Khan give?
04:27Yes, I was there.
04:29He said, are they our like-minded people?
04:31Do they want to do something
04:33that we want to do?
04:35Have they left themselves capable
04:37of standing on a principle?
04:39This is the question.
04:41If someone stands on a principle
04:43and says, I want to stand on this principle,
04:45I want the rule of law in the country,
04:47I want to free the civilian institutions
04:49in the country, then we will definitely
04:51go with them.
04:53But right now we can't see it.
04:55We have formed a committee.
04:57We are ready to talk to the government.
04:59We will sit down.
05:01Everything can be done.
05:03If they bring this attitude in front of us
05:05and say that we want to increase
05:07the political space in this country
05:09together with you,
05:11we want to rule the rule of law
05:13in this country,
05:15we want to end the kidnapping,
05:17then they should do this with us.
05:19We are present.
05:21If they take one step,
05:23then we will have to change
05:25the way this country is run.
05:27We will have to change the way
05:29this country is run.
05:31I am sure that all the political
05:33parties have come to a place
05:35where they believe or not.
05:37Whether it is in the government
05:39or in the opposition,
05:41everyone thinks the same.
05:43You must have seen that
05:45Saad Rafiq gave a statement
05:47over the weekend.
05:49He also said that the country
05:51will have to get rid
05:53of the establishment.
05:55But first tell me,
05:57did Mr. Imran Khan call
05:59Mr. Nawaz Sharif the twelfth
06:01player of politics?
06:03What was the context?
06:05It is obvious that
06:07he has been expelled
06:09from his party.
06:11He was not given the role
06:13that he expected
06:15when he returned to Pakistan.
06:17This is not a secret.
06:19Some of our journalists
06:21say that acceptance
06:23is not enough.
06:25Acceptance is necessary.
06:27The people who are
06:29in favor of acceptance
06:31think that Mr. Imran Khan
06:33is a little behind.
06:35His other colleagues
06:37are ahead of him.
06:39But this is the internal
06:41matter of that party.
06:43We have a relationship
06:45with the principles.
06:47But do you see Mr. Nawaz Sharif
06:49as a potential ally?
06:51You need political alliances
06:53of big political parties.
06:55There are three big political
06:57parties.
06:59Muslim League Noon
07:01and People's Party.
07:03People's Party's Bilawal
07:05is also behind him.
07:07He wants to do his own politics.
07:09He wants to use his shoulders.
07:11He wants to be the Prime Minister.
07:13But the problem is that
07:15he needs the support
07:17of one of the two political parties.
07:19Mr. Nawaz Sharif will be
07:21the 12th player.
07:23But if he is with you
07:25and the problem is of a larger cause,
07:27then it will be easier for you
07:29to win the war.
07:31Look,
07:33everyone is present
07:35in the discussion team.
07:37There are people from
07:39Muslim League Noon,
07:41People's Party and MQM.
07:43We will listen to them.
07:45But you have to write
07:47your written demands.
07:49It will be written
07:51that we want democracy
07:53in this country.
07:55I don't know
07:57where this
07:59written demand came from.
08:01I read it.
08:03Senator Irfan Siddiqui
08:05said that we will see
08:07whether we have to give
08:09written demands or not.
08:11We will see
08:13how to proceed.
08:15At present,
08:17we are ready to talk
08:19to everyone
08:21for democracy.
08:23This is a big step.
08:25Imran Khan said that
08:27he is ready to forgive everyone.
08:29Sir,
08:31when you talked about 2nd January,
08:33it was almost a fact.
08:35Someone told me,
08:37I was talking to
08:39a committee member,
08:41that when Ali Ameen Gandapur
08:43will come to Islamabad,
08:45we have to write the demands
08:47that we have to give to the government.
08:49You are saying that
08:51we don't have to give written demands.
08:53What are Imran Khan's
08:55instructions on this?
08:57Why will we give written demands?
08:59I will talk about it.
09:01It is the internal matter
09:03of our committee
09:05whether we have to write
09:07or not.
09:09But if you have to do it,
09:11it seems that the demands are
09:13to make a judicial commission
09:15and release our prisoners.
09:17Ali Ameen Khan has repeated
09:19these two demands again.
09:21These are such demands
09:23that are legally permissible.
09:25Why do we need a commission?
09:27There were two big incidents.
09:29The 9th of May incident
09:31and the 26th of November incident.
09:33There are two contradictions
09:35We say that we should show
09:37CCTV footage of the 9th of May.
09:39Not a few minutes,
09:41but the CCTV footage of the whole day.
09:43We should show where the fire was,
09:45who was there, who was opening the doors,
09:47who was calling whom.
09:49How is it possible that
09:51there is no CCTV footage
09:53in any place in the country?
09:55Everywhere it was said that
09:57these places were such
09:59that it is a crime to be near them.
10:01But the CCTV cameras there
10:03have been damaged everywhere.
10:05I have seen the CCTV footage of Lahore
10:07where Yasmeen Rashid Sahiba
10:09herself is announcing on the mic
10:11that you should come out
10:13and not go inside.
10:15Your people were going inside.
10:17She was announcing it.
10:19I have seen it myself.
10:21It is a good thing if you have seen it.
10:23Look, Mr. Khan said today
10:25that show me the CCTV footage.
10:27I will not only announce
10:29the separation of the people
10:31but also remove them from the party.
10:33I will definitely say
10:35that they should be punished
10:37according to the law.
10:39He said this to the journalists today.
10:41But why is there an objection
10:43to showing the CCTV footage?
10:45This is our question.
10:47Similarly, we say about 26 November
10:49that a commission should be made.
10:51Commissions are made for these things.
10:53There is a law in the country,
10:55the Inquiry Commission Act.
10:57Why is it not being used?
10:59It is better.
11:01On one hand,
11:03there is a dispute.
11:05It has been announced
11:07in a press conference
11:09that Mr. Imran Khan
11:11was also there
11:13without taking the name
11:15of the mastermind of 9th May.
11:19We say that 9th May
11:21is not a simple matter.
11:23We say that 9th May
11:25is the result
11:27of the 9th May protests.
11:29How was it possible
11:31that you arrested 10,000 people
11:33on 10th May?
11:35Did you have a list?
11:37Did you go to Rahim Vihar Khan?
11:39Did you go to Bahawalpur?
11:41Did you go to Attock?
11:43Did you arrest those
11:45who had nothing to do
11:47with 9th May?
11:49You had a list.
11:51The CCTV footage disappeared
11:53and a statement was made.
11:55You are forgetting
11:57those who were removed
11:59from the FIR.
12:01Those who are living
12:03a happy life.
12:07Mr. Khan said that
12:09if this was a crime,
12:11how did you release
12:13a criminal
12:15as a result of the deal?
12:17The government
12:19said that they did not want
12:21to run the case.
12:23It was a political engineering
12:25that you wanted to attack
12:27a party and
12:29you thought you would
12:31finish it.
12:33That did not happen.
12:35On 8th February,
12:37the people of Pakistan
12:39gave the answer.
12:41After that,
12:43you attacked the election
12:45and the entire judicial
12:47system.
12:49You went to the 26th
12:51of February.
12:53You tried to close
12:55all the doors.
12:57We are just asking you
12:59to make two inquiries
13:01to the senior judges
13:03of the Supreme Court.
13:05Ask them what happened
13:07that day.
13:09I understand your position.
13:11You say that
13:13we are being accused.
13:15Instead of
13:17taking decisions
13:19that are against you,
13:21give a report
13:23and make an independent
13:25commission.
13:27The problem is that
13:29when you talk about
13:31rule of law and iron,
13:33you are going to
13:35this committee and
13:37your demands are
13:39your demands.
13:41You have to give something
13:43to them also.
13:45They are your adversaries.
13:47The victors
13:49are talking to you.
13:51I don't understand.
13:53They know the reality.
13:55We all know the reality.
13:57It is a matter of perceptions.
13:59For example,
14:01the goal
14:03of your political party
14:05is to get the establishment
14:07out of politics.
14:09To end their interference
14:11in politics.
14:13What can you do
14:15to get the establishment
14:17out of politics?
14:19The real foundation
14:21will be laid here.
14:23First,
14:25let them express their
14:27commitment.
14:29Let them say
14:31that they want to
14:33work with us.
14:35Let's forget
14:37the past differences.
14:39If we can move forward
14:41on these two points,
14:43then we can achieve
14:45constitutionalism and
14:47rule of law in this country.
15:13If we want to move forward
15:15on these two points,
15:17then we can achieve
15:19constitutionalism and
15:21rule of law in this country.
15:43This is an irony.
15:45This is an irony.
15:47This is an irony.
16:13We have to end it.
16:15We can't make the past
16:17an excuse for
16:19a future night.
16:21We have to end this night.
16:23We have to end it today and
16:25for the future.
16:27I hope that our discussions
16:29are more focused on
16:31how we have to
16:33fix this system.
16:35I heard Rana Sanawallah
16:37and Saad Rafiq.
16:39They have their own grievances
16:41that this is a remote controlled
16:43democracy.
16:45Politicians can't
16:47solve these issues.
16:49I hope all of you
16:51find a solution
16:53instead of
16:55a deadlock.
16:57Exactly.
16:59If Mr. Khan's goal
17:01was to achieve
17:03a government,
17:05I assure you
17:07that there were many
17:09other goals.
17:11Mr. Khan was very clear
17:13after 8th February
17:15that he didn't want
17:17to achieve a government
17:19through any deal.
17:21He said that he has been
17:23in jail for 18-19 months
17:25and he is ready to sit
17:27for more.
17:29He said that he won't
17:31make a deal that will
17:33harm democracy and
17:35constitution.
17:37He mentioned your
17:39decisions in 2020.
17:41I know the condition of a committee
17:43when Khaibar Pakhtunkhwa
17:45was the PTI minister.
17:47He criticised the resettlement
17:49of the PTI.
17:51I remember
17:53Murad Saeed and Noorul Qadri
17:55who criticised the resettlement
17:57of the PTI.
17:59What did
18:01Mr. Imran Khan say?
18:03He mentioned
18:05Mr. Murad Saeed
18:07and Noorul Qadri.
18:09He said that
18:11General Bajwa
18:13presented this
18:15and said that there is
18:17no other way.
18:19It was an institutional decision.
18:21It was the decision of the army
18:23which was put in front of
18:25the civilian government
18:27and then the parliament.
18:29It didn't happen in 2021.
18:31It continued after April 2022.
18:33When our government
18:35ended in June-July
18:372020, it happened.
18:39Faiz Hamid and
18:41Commander Peshawar
18:43went to Kabul to talk.
18:45To say that it was the
18:47decision of an individual
18:49is against the facts.
18:51It is an attempt to
18:53distort history.
18:55It was an institutional
18:57decision.
18:59In the meeting,
19:01a minister said that
19:03ANP has killed people.
19:05These decisions cannot be
19:07made without on-boarding
19:09parties like ANP.
19:11The army side
19:13said that
19:15no one came
19:17except Mr. Bilawal Bhutto.
19:19All the recommendations
19:21were made by Mr. Bilawal
19:23who was incorporated.
19:25We should know
19:27who made the decision.
19:29Was it a military decision or not?
19:31You gave a deadline of 31, Mr. Salman.
19:33It was.
19:35No civilian government
19:37can make such a decision.
19:39You know this.
19:41It is a military decision.
19:43It is a military decision.
19:45It is a military decision.
19:47It is a military decision.
19:49It is a military decision.
19:51It is a military decision.
19:53It is a military decision.
19:55At that time,
19:57the army only had to summon
19:59the commanders to say
20:01who made the decision.
20:03One is in custody
20:05and other is in arbitration.
20:07We will definitely do it.
20:09Mr. Waqas Akram will
20:11hold a detailed press conference
20:13on this in two days.
20:15He and our embassy
20:17and institutional
20:19circles have got support
20:21that no matter how much
20:23you have to talk about it. You can't kill lakhs of people. This is a wrong view, under which there is terrorism, under which there are attacks.
20:36But you have to give that view to the people. You can't kill lakhs of people.
20:41But sir, when you talk about position of strength or weakness, it is very critical when to talk about it.
20:47This is also a part of a military strategy that this time is not right.
20:51Look, the second thing is to say that because some people were trapped at that time, that's why terrorism is happening today.
21:01Our position today is that this is cross-border terrorism. People come from there, there are safe havens there, that's why we bombed there.
21:08So there is a contradiction in both the things. It is not that people are hiding here, they come out of their houses and do terrorism.
21:16Our state's position today is that this is cross-border terrorism.
21:20Mr. Khan, you asked a question today, what is happening in Balochistan, who was settled there, which government.
21:25Why is terrorism increasing there? This is a problem of the whole country.
21:29Look, you have created a decision between the public and the state.
21:33Last question sir, you have given a deadline of 31st. Negotiations until 31st January.
21:39What will happen if you fail, Mr. Salman? Quickly tell me this.
21:43Look, we will continue on our path, we will remain on our objective, which is the fundamental position.
21:50We think that there is a lot of time until 31st January, if these other parties really want to move forward for the constitution and law,
21:58want a civilian ruler in the country, want a real democracy, a remote democracy is a democracy.
22:04So if everyone agrees that yes, we all want this, will Nawaz Sharif Imran Khan be able to meet?
22:10Or do you think that he will not be able to meet?
22:14Look, it is time to say this, we will see what attitude comes out of there, what happens, all this is dependent on it.
22:21Right now we are present, their people are present, who have experience, our people are also present.
22:29So let's see where the talks go.
22:31Mr. Salman, thank you very much, we will wait for you on 2nd January, let's see what happens.
22:37Let's take a break and come back after the break.
22:53Welcome back viewers.
22:54The second is when the leadership becomes the king and the third is when judges run the country from the Supreme Court or court.
23:03We will have to correct this.
23:04Mr. Mian Javed Latim is present.
23:05Mr. Mian, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
23:09Yes, Walikum-o-Alaikum.
23:10Mr. Mian, is a remote control democracy going on in the country at the moment?
23:13Definitely, you are right.
23:16Who is controlling it?
23:18Which type is it?
23:19Is it the first type in which the establishment controls the democracy?
23:22No, unfortunately, it is being controlled from three sides.
23:32The international establishment, the third type and the first type.
23:41All three are together.
23:44There is a second type as well.
23:45Of course, there is a king in the parties.
23:47Mr. Mian, you are also running away from there.
23:50You also feel like saying it.
23:52Then you feel like saying, no, I want to do politics.
23:55I cannot say it.
23:58No, I say that the constitution we are talking about, the real democracy we are talking about,
24:07workers make sacrifices for it.
24:10And when the destination is near, unfortunately, the situation becomes like this,
24:16or it is made, or the person gets tired, then there is a compromise.
24:22They deal with the king, sir.
24:24The second type deals with the first type.
24:27The second type is the king.
24:29There is a king in the party.
24:31They deal with it and you cannot do anything.
24:33Fight as much as you want.
24:34In the end, you have to do what the leadership does.
24:37But tell me, there are very few voices in the party.
24:42I see a lot of people happy that the system is working this way.
24:45They say, yes, it is fine.
24:47It is our government.
24:48It is a hybrid system.
24:50We don't even have people.
24:52But still, they made us a government.
24:54The Prime Minister is our own, the Prime Minister is our own.
24:57Okay, then it is good.
24:59Let them rule.
25:00But we also have flags on our cars.
25:03I see a lot of people very happy about this.
25:06So, principles are not so important for them.
25:11No, Kashif.
25:12The thing is, it is fine.
25:14Some people will be happy about what you said, the beneficiaries.
25:19But there will come a time when the beneficiaries will also cry.
25:23The reason is that the state is not getting anything.
25:27The state is traveling.
25:29This system or this way of running Pakistan.
25:35First, there was a road in Pakistan.
25:38There was space.
25:40There was cushion.
25:41So, this system kept running.
25:43But now it cannot run.
25:45The biggest reason for that is the economy.
25:48The second biggest reason is...
25:50Which one cannot run, sir?
25:51You are saying that this hybrid system cannot run.
25:55Absolutely.
25:56You are right.
25:58The hybrid system cannot run anywhere.
26:02Then how is it running, sir?
26:03Why don't you back off?
26:04Why don't you politicians sit together and solve your problems?
26:10The thing is, if you allow me a little, Kashif.
26:14Then I will complete what you are asking repeatedly.
26:19The thing is that in the history of Pakistan,
26:23it has never happened that a powerful institution has created all the problems.
26:29The second institution is definitely with us.
26:32And the second institution is the one that provides justice.
26:35Was there one institution from 2014 to 2017 that destroyed Pakistan?
26:43Absolutely right.
26:44No? There were three.
26:45And what?
26:46Sir, both were going from 2022 to 2024.
26:49In fact, there were three.
26:51Yes, absolutely.
26:52Three, in fact.
26:53This is right.
26:54And even today, if there are two on one side, then one is on the other side.
27:00Why not?
27:01If the institutions think that the work is right, or the work is going according to the law,
27:08then why don't they try to remove Pakistan from all the pages?
27:12No one is ready to speak the truth.
27:15Mr. Kashif, isn't it true that there is global pressure on Pakistan?
27:20And for whom? And why?
27:22Why should they speak?
27:24And even if someone does speak, what is my interest?
27:28Am I ready to leave my interest and watch the interest of the state?
27:34Is anyone ready to say this?
27:36No, sir, you are not ready.
27:37You are looking at your own interest.
27:39Everyone has seen their own interest.
27:41Everyone is looking at their own interest.
28:11No, no, Kashif, if you allow me a little.
28:18The thing is that what you are saying last time that political parties are not among each other.
28:26Even then, the establishment of that time used to bring one party with it against the other.
28:33Whether it is the opposition, whether it is the government.
28:36Sir, let's decide one thing.
28:42The entire 90th century was against the government.
28:45Establishment and opposition came together.
28:47In 2008, against the People's Party, you wore a black coat and went to the memo gate.
28:52From 2013 to 2018, Imran Khan's protest, the opposition and the establishment made an alliance.
28:59So generally this alliance was of the opposition and the establishment.
29:04Now it has become of the government and the establishment.
29:07This is a very powerful alliance.
29:09You have all the power.
29:11No, you must have your own way of thinking or you are taking the consequences of it.
29:20But this is not the reality.
29:22The reality is that at that time, if the establishment came together with the opposition and the government,
29:29then today, if the government and the establishment are together,
29:34then you can see what other parties are standing together.
29:39Tell me what is happening today.
29:42Sir, you are overplaying.
29:44This is the issue of the Bano Lakhwani Quota.
29:46Sir, I am just saying that you are still doing the same thing that has been happening before.
29:53You are doing the same thing.
29:55What are you doing?
29:56What are you doing?
29:57You are trying to bring down your opponent.
29:59You have brought him down.
30:00It is inside.
30:01What happened with Nawaz Sharif.
30:03No, Kashif.
30:05Now if I talk, you will give me the full opportunity.
30:09Otherwise, you can ask questions.
30:10I am quiet.
30:11I will do it.
30:12I have no objection.
30:13The thing is that what you are saying is your analysis.
30:18The facts are different.
30:20The facts are that today, if the internal establishment is together with one,
30:29then the international establishment is standing with the other.
30:36Sir, if the international establishment was standing, then your government would have won.
30:40What we have seen, which is called the international establishment,
30:43that is America, that is Saudi Arabia, that is China.
30:47If any of them were standing with him, he would not have allowed them to come out.
30:50But leave it.
30:51My brother, let me complete this point.
30:56Give me permission.
30:57Give me permission.
30:59The thing is that your opinion will be there.
31:03Listen to my opinion.
31:04I am telling you that the practice of international establishment has spread in Pakistan.
31:12Believe this fact.
31:14And if you do not believe this fact,
31:19You are right.
31:20The international establishment has always been there.
31:22The problem is that Saudi Arabia, China, America, Britain have always interfered in Pakistan.
31:28My brother, Mr. Kashyap, do not do this.
31:31Do not do this.
31:32Please let me talk.
31:33Sir, after Kargil, you went to the international establishment.
31:37After the coup of 1999, the international establishment took you out.
31:42Sir, Benazir Bhutto's return, Condoleezza Rice writes in her book that we made the Americans do it.
31:48What are you talking about?
31:49It has always been there.
31:50But we are contradicting.
31:52Let me complete my point.
31:53Sir, it is there.
31:54The establishment is doing it.
31:55My brother, you take a sentence of your choice and do not let others talk.
32:02Sir, I am telling you that we are going to this important debate.
32:04Tell me this.
32:05I am trying to do this again and again.
32:07Sir, you are saying two things.
32:08No, first let me complete this point.
32:09Sir, let's move forward.
32:10We have come to the discussion.
32:11Let the people be clear.
32:12Let the people be clear.
32:13Sir, they have seen it all.
32:14Who takes whom out of Pakistan?
32:15Who brings him back?
32:16No, no.
32:17When intellectuals like you talk about yourself, you do not listen to any other student.
32:18So how will the debate be clear, my brother?
32:19The matter will be clear like this.
32:20You say that the role of the establishment has always been in Pakistan.
32:21I agree.
32:22But it was a little.
32:23It was a little.
32:24And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
32:25in Pakistan.
32:26I agree.
32:27But it was a little.
32:28It was a little.
32:29And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
32:30in Pakistan.
32:31I agree.
32:32But it was a little.
32:33It was a little.
32:34And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
32:35in Pakistan.
32:36I agree.
32:37But it was a little.
32:38It was a little.
32:39And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
32:40in Pakistan.
32:41I agree.
32:42But it was a little.
32:43It was a little.
32:44And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
32:45in Pakistan.
32:46I agree.
32:47But it was a little.
32:48It was a little.
32:49And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
32:50in Pakistan.
32:51I agree.
32:52But it was a little.
32:53It was a little.
32:54And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
32:55in Pakistan.
32:56I agree.
32:57But it was a little.
32:58It was a little.
32:59And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
33:00in Pakistan.
33:01I agree.
33:02But it was a little.
33:03It was a little.
33:04And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
33:05in Pakistan.
33:06I agree.
33:07But it was a little.
33:08It was a little.
33:09And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
33:10in Pakistan.
33:11I agree.
33:12But it was a little.
33:13It was a little.
33:14And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
33:15in Pakistan.
33:16I agree.
33:17But it was a little.
33:18It was a little.
33:19And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
33:20in Pakistan.
33:21I agree.
33:22But it was a little.
33:23It was a little.
33:24And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
33:25in Pakistan.
33:26I agree.
33:27But it was a little.
33:28It was a little.
33:29And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
33:30in Pakistan.
33:31I agree.
33:32But it was a little.
33:33It was a little.
33:34And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
33:35in Pakistan.
33:36I agree.
33:37But it was a little.
33:38It was a little.
33:39And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
33:40in Pakistan.
33:41I agree.
33:42But it was a little.
33:43It was a little.
33:44And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
33:45in Pakistan.
33:46I agree.
33:47But it was a little.
33:48It was a little.
33:49And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
33:50in Pakistan.
33:51I agree.
33:52But it was a little.
33:53It was a little.
33:54And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
33:55in Pakistan.
33:56I agree.
33:57But it was a little.
33:58It was a little.
33:59And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
34:00in Pakistan.
34:01I agree.
34:02But it was a little.
34:03It was a little.
34:04And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
34:05in Pakistan.
34:06I agree.
34:07But it was a little.
34:08It was a little.
34:09And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
34:10in Pakistan.
34:11I agree.
34:12But it was a little.
34:13It was a little.
34:14And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
34:15in Pakistan.
34:16I agree.
34:17But it was a little.
34:18It was a little.
34:19And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
34:20in Pakistan.
34:21I agree.
34:22But it was a little.
34:23It was a little.
34:24And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
34:25in Pakistan.
34:26I agree.
34:27But it was a little.
34:28It was a little.
34:29And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
34:30in Pakistan.
34:31I agree.
34:32But it was a little.
34:33It was a little.
34:34And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
34:35in Pakistan.
34:36I agree.
34:37But it was a little.
34:38It was a little.
34:39And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
34:40in Pakistan.
34:41I agree.
34:42But it was a little.
34:43It was a little.
34:44And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
34:45in Pakistan.
34:46I agree.
34:47But it was a little.
34:48It was a little.
34:49And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
34:50in Pakistan.
34:51I agree.
34:52But it was a little.
34:53It was a little.
34:54And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
34:55in Pakistan.
34:56I agree.
34:57But it was a little.
34:58It was a little.
34:59And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
35:00in Pakistan.
35:01I agree.
35:02But it was a little.
35:03It was a little.
35:04And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
35:05in Pakistan.
35:06I agree.
35:07But it was a little.
35:08It was a little.
35:09And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
35:10in Pakistan.
35:11I agree.
35:12But it was a little.
35:13It was a little.
35:14And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
35:15in Pakistan.
35:16I agree.
35:17But it was a little.
35:18It was a little.
35:19And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
35:20in Pakistan.
35:21I agree.
35:22But it was a little.
35:23It was a little.
35:24And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
35:25in Pakistan.
35:26I agree.
35:27But it was a little.
35:28It was a little.
35:29And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
35:30in Pakistan.
35:31I agree.
35:32But it was a little.
35:33It was a little.
35:34And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
35:35in Pakistan.
35:36I agree.
35:37But it was a little.
35:38It was a little.
35:39And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
35:40in Pakistan.
35:41I agree.
35:42But it was a little.
35:43It was a little.
35:44And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
35:45in Pakistan.
35:46I agree.
35:47But it was a little.
35:48It was a little.
35:49And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
35:50in Pakistan.
35:51I agree.
35:52But it was a little.
35:53It was a little.
35:54And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
35:55in Pakistan.
35:56I agree.
35:57But it was a little.
35:58It was a little.
35:59And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
36:00in Pakistan.
36:01I agree.
36:02But it was a little.
36:03It was a little.
36:04And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
36:05in Pakistan.
36:06I agree.
36:07But it was a little.
36:08It was a little.
36:09And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
36:10in Pakistan.
36:11I agree.
36:12But it was a little.
36:13It was a little.
36:14And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
36:15in Pakistan.
36:16I agree.
36:17But it was a little.
36:18It was a little.
36:19And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
36:20in Pakistan.
36:21I agree.
36:22But it was a little.
36:23It was a little.
36:24And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
36:25in Pakistan.
36:26I agree.
36:27But it was a little.
36:28It was a little.
36:29And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
36:30in Pakistan.
36:31I agree.
36:32But it was a little.
36:33It was a little.
36:34And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
36:35in Pakistan.
36:36I agree.
36:37But it was a little.
36:38It was a little.
36:39And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
36:40in Pakistan.
36:41I agree.
36:42But it was a little.
36:43It was a little.
36:44And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
36:45in Pakistan.
36:46I agree.
36:47But it was a little.
36:48It was a little.
36:49And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
36:50in Pakistan.
36:51I agree.
36:52But it was a little.
36:53It was a little.
36:54And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
36:55in Pakistan.
36:56I agree.
36:57But it was a little.
36:58It was a little.
36:59And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
37:00in Pakistan.
37:01I agree.
37:02But it was a little.
37:03It was a little.
37:04And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
37:05in Pakistan.
37:06I agree.
37:07But it was a little.
37:08It was a little.
37:09And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
37:10in Pakistan.
37:11I agree.
37:12But it was a little.
37:13It was a little.
37:14And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
37:15in Pakistan.
37:16I agree.
37:17But it was a little.
37:18It was a little.
37:19And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
37:20in Pakistan.
37:21I agree.
37:22But it was a little.
37:23It was a little.
37:24And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
37:25in Pakistan.
37:26I agree.
37:27But it was a little.
37:28It was a little.
37:29And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
37:30in Pakistan.
37:31I agree.
37:32But it was a little.
37:33It was a little.
37:34And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
37:35in Pakistan.
37:36I agree.
37:37But it was a little.
37:38It was a little.
37:39And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
37:40in Pakistan.
37:41I agree.
37:42But it was a little.
37:43It was a little.
37:44And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
37:45in Pakistan.
37:46I agree.
37:47But it was a little.
37:48It was a little.
37:49And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
37:50in Pakistan.
37:51I agree.
37:52But it was a little.
37:53It was a little.
37:54And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
37:55in Pakistan.
37:56I agree.
37:57But it was a little.
37:58It was a little.
37:59And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
38:00in Pakistan.
38:01I agree.
38:02But it was a little.
38:03It was a little.
38:04And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
38:05in Pakistan.
38:06I agree.
38:07But it was a little.
38:08It was a little.
38:09And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
38:10in Pakistan.
38:11I agree.
38:12But it was a little.
38:13It was a little.
38:14And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
38:15in Pakistan.
38:16I agree.
38:17But it was a little.
38:18It was a little.
38:19And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
38:20in Pakistan.
38:21I agree.
38:22But it was a little.
38:23It was a little.
38:24And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
38:25in Pakistan.
38:26I agree.
38:27But it was a little.
38:28It was a little.
38:29And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
38:30in Pakistan.
38:31I agree.
38:32But it was a little.
38:33It was a little.
38:34And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
38:35in Pakistan.
38:36I agree.
38:37But it was a little.
38:38It was a little.
38:39And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
38:40in Pakistan.
38:41I agree.
38:42But it was a little.
38:43It was a little.
38:44And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
38:45in Pakistan.
38:46I agree.
38:47But it was a little.
38:48It was a little.
38:49And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
38:50in Pakistan.
38:51I agree.
38:52But it was a little.
38:53It was a little.
38:54And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
38:55in Pakistan.
38:56I agree.
38:57But it was a little.
38:58It was a little.
38:59And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
39:00in Pakistan.
39:01I agree.
39:02But it was a little.
39:03It was a little.
39:04And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
39:05in Pakistan.
39:06I agree.
39:07But it was a little.
39:08It was a little.
39:09And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
39:10in Pakistan.
39:11I agree.
39:12But it was a little.
39:13It was a little.
39:14And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
39:15in Pakistan.
39:16I agree.
39:17But it was a little.
39:18It was a little.
39:19And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
39:20in Pakistan.
39:21I agree.
39:22But it was a little.
39:23It was a little.
39:24And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
39:25in Pakistan.
39:26I agree.
39:27But it was a little.
39:28It was a little.
39:29And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
39:30in Pakistan.
39:31I agree.
39:32But it was a little.
39:33It was a little.
39:34And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
39:35in Pakistan.
39:36I agree.
39:37But it was a little.
39:38It was a little.
39:39And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
39:40in Pakistan.
39:41I agree.
39:42But it was a little.
39:43It was a little.
39:44And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
39:45in Pakistan.
39:46I agree.
39:47But it was a little.
39:48It was a little.
39:49And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
39:50in Pakistan.
39:51I agree.
39:52But it was a little.
39:53It was a little.
39:54And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
39:55in Pakistan.
39:56I agree.
39:57But it was a little.
39:58It was a little.
39:59And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
40:00in Pakistan.
40:01I agree.
40:02But it was a little.
40:03It was a little.
40:04And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
40:05in Pakistan.
40:06I agree.
40:07But it was a little.
40:08It was a little.
40:09And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
40:10in Pakistan.
40:11I agree.
40:12But it was a little.
40:13It was a little.
40:14And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
40:15in Pakistan.
40:16I agree.
40:17But it was a little.
40:18It was a little.
40:19And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
40:20in Pakistan.
40:21I agree.
40:22But it was a little.
40:23It was a little.
40:24And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
40:25in Pakistan.
40:26I agree.
40:27But it was a little.
40:28It was a little.
40:29And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
40:30in Pakistan.
40:31I agree.
40:32But it was a little.
40:33It was a little.
40:34And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
40:35in Pakistan.
40:36I agree.
40:37But it was a little.
40:38It was a little.
40:39And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
40:40in Pakistan.
40:41I agree.
40:42But it was a little.
40:43It was a little.
40:44And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
40:45in Pakistan.
40:46I agree.
40:47But it was a little.
40:48It was a little.
40:49And with the establishment of Pakistan, the role of the establishment has always been
40:50in Pakistan.
40:51I agree.
40:52But it was a little.
40:53It was a little.